The Presence of the Son of Man

//The Presence of the Son of Man

QUESTION: Why do you teach that the ‘authentic’ parousia will involve greater wars, when the Bible says that everything will be just normal? Matthew 24:36-39 tells us of a completely different situation concerning Christ’s presence. “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.” It does not describe chaos and anarchy, but instead normal everyday living just like what we are experiencing now. Further proof that we are currently living in the Lord’s Day or Christ’s presence! Is my reasoning flawed?

Excerpted from longer inquiry.
In a word, yes. However, it is not your reasoning that is flawed as much as your point of reference. That is because you are laboring under the view imposed upon all of Jehovah’s Witnesses by the Watchtower that the parousia began in 1914.

Actually, the original Bible Students who became associated under Charles Taze Russell were led to believe that the presence of Christ had commenced in 1874. The Watchtower even taught that long after 1914. So, we would not be too far off the mark to say that the Watchtower has an overriding inclination, even an agenda, to place the presence of the Son of man in the past, no matter the date.

But since Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Christ’s presence began in 1914, marked by the Great War and it is believed that the symbolic seals of Revelation were unsealed then too, resulting in peace being taken from the earth so that they should slaughter one another with a great sword, in reality you do believe that the world was going along as normal until the presence of the Son of man, not as a future event, but as history. 

That being undeniable, it would be more correct to say that Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the initial presence of the Son of man is not that important. It is the conclusion of the purported long-running parousia that we should keep on the watch for. But is that really what Jesus intended? Are we to believe that Jesus was exhorting us to keep on the watch for the conclusion of the parousia? That is what the Watchtower is implying.

The reason Jehovah’s Witnesses are compelled to believe this rearward view of the parousia is because any future presence of the Son of man is considered to be an impossibility.

As pointed out in Kingdom Bulletin #10 , the Watchtower even allows for the possibility of another world war, but it strictly rules out a future world war serving as the fulfillment of what Jesus foretold regarding nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom.

So, it is not that your reasoning is wrong. The problem is you and millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses are laboring under a powerful “deluding influence” that is an operation of Satan intended to convince the unwary that the presence of the Son of man is an accomplished fact. (Jehovah’s Witnesses: Face the Facts)

Needless to say the sudden outbreak of global war, financial collapse, food shortages, pandemics and massive earthquakes will cause many of Jehovah’s Witnesses to rethink their views on this matter.

How will the  sudden tectonic shift effect the Watchtower? Just as Jesus likened the presence of the Son of man to the Flood, the Watchtower Society will be swept away.

Here is how its demise is described in the 28th chapter of Isaiah: “And I will make justice the measuring line and righteousness the leveling tool. The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters will flood out the hiding place. Your covenant with Death will be dissolved, and your agreement with the Grave will not stand. When the raging flash flood passes through, you will be crushed by it. As often as it passes through, it will sweep you away; for it will pass through morning after morning, during the day and during the night. Only terror will make them understand what was heard.” — See article: The Coming of Jesus Christ and the Flash Flood

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2016-03-27T08:15:43+00:00 March 27th, 2016|Mailbag|30 Comments
  • Rose Castro

    I always have such a difficult time understanding these new subjects. So, putting it simply, the great tribulation (financial collapse, anarchy and chaos) will take everyone by surprise? I mean, everyone will be living a normal life, as described above, and then all of the sudden chaos will be upon us?

    • Rose Castro

      Is that what Mathew 24 implies?

    • ewatchman

      My perspective is that Jesus Christ has not come. The time of the end has not begun, nor has Jesus’ parousia begun. It will begin in the future. War, food shortages, disease pandemics, all the things JW’s believe took place in 1914 and cannot be repeated in the future is exactly what I expect to unfold.

      • Erik

        Brother King. Thank you for your article.
        So just to be clear. The description given in Matthew 24:36-39 would apply to the time period just before the GT breaks out? If not, then what is the point of reference?
        I too have at times wondered about this since on one hand Matthew 24:36-39 implies that things will be going on as normal but on the other hand Matthew 24:21 states that this will be a period of hardship unequal to anything ever experienced in the history of mankind. Therefore, it appears to me since Jesus was talking about the situation before the flood came in verses 36-39 that this period of time would also liken to the period just before the outbreak of the GT and that verse 21 applies to the period of time just after the GT begins when his presence actually begins.
        Your thoughts?

        • Rose Castro

          Thank you, you said it more clear.

    • its only going to take those by suprise who arnt paying attention to global events along with keeping your eye on the Watchtower org. thats why Jesus said to keep on the watch but the way the prophceys are messed up by the bad men in the WT, everyone is subtly fooled an dont know whats really coming cause they are attributing prophcy to the past as if things already happened and just waiting for a part of Babylon to fall dubed as Christendom.

      but the great tribulation that Jesus spoke of has not come about yet and its also during that time all these things start to accure. that is Jehovah’s day. onece this beast crashes and war breaks out then you’l know. thats why Robert has been watching daily with world evens as you should too.

      the Watchtower has been proved a liar as far as prophcy and abuse cases and Jehovah is about to deal with it like any day now. itrs that close

      • Rose Castro

        I got it. It just hit me. Sorry, I think my mind is so tired. Sometimes I realize I already asked the same question before. Thank you to everyone for being so patient. I just want to have things clear on my mind. So, sometimes, I need repetition.

        • i ask the same thing too sometimes cause whatever im reading can tie in with that other thing i know but have to go over it again even by asking the same question. plus i get my wires crossed sometimes as ive seen Robert put it. then it turns into a duh i knew that

          • we all get confused at times but part of learning is asking questions and putting it all together and that takes time and patients. lets face it taking in an accurate knowledge and learning the bible is one of the hardest things to do because its not just learning gods living word its a matter of a multitude of things to be learned so that one can understand the bible. its a matter of history people times places dates along with current events and sinse the bible covers all matters there is a lot to learn. you know now that I think about it getting a basic school / collage education is nothing compaired to the bible a bible education far far surpasses anything that I have ever learned before. it truly is the answer to life and death and gods glory and only Jehovah our heavenly father can educate man in this way it truly is a marvel a gift a blessing that not all might have.

            • Rose Castro

              Absolutely! I feel completely illiterate when it comes to Bible knowledge.

        • Jonah Peter Paul

          we all do sometimes. These things are new to us and some of us here have been indoctrinated by the WT’s false teachings for many many years that it is hard to remember all the new stuff we are reading from this website for the very first time. It’s completely normal.

    • these great tribulations wont just all happen one day at the same time but rather the beginning of birth pangs distress will first take place. what do we see today? the beginnings of distress in a colbinating way we are facing a Economic Collapse and word war three at the same time Terror attacks world wide. and much more but as I have said these are the beginings of distress but surely NOT the great tribulations to come. the great tribulations to come will be something far far worse then we can Emagen. remember what the scriptures say tribulation will accured such as the earth has never seen before nore will ever see again.

      Matthew 24:1-51

      24 Now as Jesus was departing from the temple, his disciples approached to show him the buildings of the temple. 2 In response he said to them: “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, by no means will a stone be left here upon a stone and not be thrown down.”
      3 While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”
      4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
      7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
      9 “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold. 13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved. 14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
      15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains. 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, 18 and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. 19 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! 20 Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; 21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.
      23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned you. 26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 28 Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
      29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.
      32 “Now learn this illustration from the fig tree: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and sprouts its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors. 34 Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away.
      36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken along and the other abandoned. 41 Two women will be grinding at the hand mill; one will be taken along and the other abandoned. 42 Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.
      43 “But know one thing: If the householder had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have kept awake and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 On this account, you too prove yourselves ready, because the Son of man is coming at an hour that you do not think to be it.
      45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! 47 Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.
      48 “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, 51 and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.

      who can say what the death stroke will be Yellowstone erupting perhaps or nuclear war or a meteor impact? clouds of smoke the sun will not give off its light nor will the moon give its light. a third of the earth was destroyed and so much more to take place. it could very well be earthquakes volcanos Yellowstone and a limited nukclear strike all at the same time we just don’t know but the scariest part is we can well see things on the rise earthquakes tsunamis threat of war and economic colaps and the list goes on. I personally feel that when the end comes it will be brought on by a combonation of devastating events and yes Jehovah will permit this because mankind refuses to heed jehovahs warnings.

      2 Chronicles 24:19

      19 He kept sending prophets among them to bring them back to Jehovah, and they kept warning them, but they refused to listen.

      • Rose Castro

        That’s truly terrifying. The other night I had a dream, more like a nightmare, that I was looking out my bedroom window and I saw this enormous black rock (like a meteor) coming from the sky and it hit near my house. I was terrified and I knew I was going to die. The last thing I remember, I felt heat all over my body and when I tried to breathe, it felt like I was breathing sand. Again, it was a nightmare. But, I am so nervous and scared now… 🙁

        • ewatchman

          It sounds like you might be going through menopause.

          • Rose Castro

            I knew you were going to say something like that. I am not a kid, but I am not an old lady either Mr. King. So, no, I am not going through menopause. Be kind with me please. I get my feelings hurt easily…

            • ewatchman

              I’m sorry. I was hoping to make you laugh.

            • Rose Castro

              No, you did! Sorry I’m going through stuff now. So, I am too sensitive! I apologize lol!

            • I knew he didn’t mean it like that rose but it did make me laugh to. but please realize I was not laughing at you but I was laughing with you guys lol. how are your studies going rose? I hope they are going well I must say I was very excited that you decided to start them up and I’m hoping they are going well. and I read your comment about being afraid rose and I can understand why you are afraid but know this with each passing for told prophecy that will take place will bring us that much closer to the installation of jehovah’s kingdom. and remember rose if we want to be saved we must remain faithful to god he understands that we are not perfect and we are living in satans wicked system of things he knows at times we will fall but he expects us to always pick our selfs up and keep trying. trust me rose if we come to know the father fear can not stand in our way nor will we let satan stand in our way. keep building your relationship with Jehovah rose draw close to him and he will draw close to you and you will find a peace and understanding that will settle you and remember only with our heavenly father Jehovah are all things possible. peace to you rose and may Jehovah bless you with an accurate knowledge and holy spirit.

            • Rose Castro

              Yeah, I was silly. It is actually hilarious. I am still trying to do my study. It’s difficult sometimes. She tells me things (like 1914) which, as we all know, is not correct. But, I am trying my best to obey Jehovah. He knows what’s best for me, so I will wait on him. Thanks for asking!

            • Sam

              you must have these things on your mind alot… try to not get too stressed out with things. Jehovah will look after us if we stick by him. My dreams are just random, like getting on a flight to America from a hospital 😛

        • Jonah Peter Paul

          Typing via a computer or sending a text message is a great way of getting ourselves misunderstood. Don’t be offended. That’s just how technology works 🙂

          • Rose Castro

            yes, I know. Sorry, I’ll work on it 🙂

        • Joel 2:32

          32 And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said, The survivors whom Jehovah calls.”

          • making me think. just reading that makes me sit here an think. nothing much to say. just sigh and think; feel powerless but thats not true how i always hear others say it

        • Luis Meriño Vásquez

          You shouldnt be scared… If u are faithful to Jehovah u will not perish with this evil system. Just keep on doing God’s will. Thats all you have to do to be protected. Nevertheless, we will be tested and we will suffer but at the end Jehovah and Jesus will be out Saviors, they wont allow that we suffer the second death if we remain faithful.

      • LW

        48 “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave WILL COME ON A DAY THAT HE DOES NOT EXPECT and in an hour that he does not know, 51 and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.”

        HA…

        • and so it is written and so it shall be brother.

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    The last scriptural line is a point to be noted as it well fits for all JWs that is Only terror will make them understand what was heard.” Till then many JWS are least bothered as I myself experienced when I talked to them in KH. But one thing I am very happy that I could able to convince at least one person that is my wife that 1914 is an deluding influence by Satan which Jehovah allows to test the people those who know the truth. I say so because my wife’s father and her elder brother are serving as Elders in congregations of JW and they are staunch society’s men. They never accept my sayings as many times I talked with them regarding 1914.

    • e.v.g

      I was talking with an elder about the mark of the wild beast, there was no problem with that matter, he accepted it will be a future event, but when we started talking about the man of lawlessness, the man changed the letter to the Thessalonians to deny that fact, they do not accept that there may be a bad influence in the org.

  • Luis Meriño Vásquez

    It did not answer the question… How can they be compared brother King? If Jesus said that?

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