No one knows the day or hour – but of what?

//No one knows the day or hour – but of what?

QUESTION: At Mark 13:32 Jesus said: “Concerning that day or hour nobody knows, neither the angels nor the Son…” Is Jesus talking about his presence, which Jehovah’s Witnesses believe began in 1914, or is he talking about Armageddon?

ANSWER: The simple answer is, Jesus was referring to the day and hour for the beginning of the conclusion and ultimately his presence among the chosen ones —not the world-ending war of Armageddon. The context makes that evident.

In consideration of the context, Jesus said in full: “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father. Keep looking, keep awake, for you do not know when the appointed time is. It is like a man traveling abroad who left his house and gave the authority to his slaves, to each one his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to keep on the watch. Keep on the watch, therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether late in the day or at midnight or at dawn or early in the morning, in order that when he comes suddenly, he does not find you sleeping. But what I say to you, I say to all: Keep on the watch.”

Consider the illustration Jesus related. He is obviously the “man traveling abroad who left his house.”

As we know 40 days after his resurrection from the dead Jesus returned to his Father in heaven; hence, he traveled as if to a distant land. But before he ascended he gave authority over his “house” to his slaves. ‘Feed my little sheep’ he thrice commanded Peter. Obviously, though, those original disciples have all passed away. But by extension those whom Jehovah anoints and who are brought into the master’s house, that is to say into the congregation of the Firstborn, are also given authority over the master’s “house” in his absence.

As Jesus stated on many occasions, he is returning. And what is the purpose of his coming back? Primarily it is to bring to himself all those who have been called into the heavenly Kingdom. Secondarily, it is to commence the re-creation.

First Jesus will gather to himself all those who have died in union with him. Paul explains: “For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.”

But Paul went onto explain that afterwards the living holy ones will also be gathered to him; obviously via the resurrection too. Although the living who survive to the presence do not sleep in death as do those who die prior to the parousia. But to emphasize the point, Paul writes: “Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.”

Now, returning to the 13th chapter of Mark, a few verses before Jesus’ statement regarding no one knowing the day or hour, Jesus said the following: “And then they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then he will send out the angels and will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from earth’s extremity to heaven’s extremity.”

The gathering of the chosen ones is in reference to their being resurrected to be with the Lord. And most significantly, this means that there will be no chosen ones on earth when the war of Armageddon commences.

Jesus receives his bride in heavenThat is also apparent from a consideration of Revelation, specifically the 19th chapter. There the gathering together of all of the holy ones is symbolized by the “marriage of the Lamb.” Also the occasion is referred to as the Lamb’s wedding evening meal. Revelation 19:9 states: “Write: Happy are those invited to the evening meal of the Lamb’s marriage.”

That heavenly “evening meal” ought to remind us of the first evening meal —the sacred ceremony Jesus established on the night of his arrest, when he was then sacrificed as an unblemished lamb. It was on that occasion that Jesus passed the loaf and the cup, and he also made a covenant with his disciples for them to rule with him in his Kingdom. So, “the evening meal of the Lamb’s marriage” signifies the completion of the calling and choosing —when all of the holy ones are, at last, gathered to the Lord. That will be a most joyous occasion.

But now, notice the sequence of events. After the marriage feast Revelation depicts Christ and his heavenly cavalry charging forth to annihilate the armies on earth arrayed against God. That is the war of the great day of God the Almighty at the place called Armageddon.

But as to the original question: Since none of the holy ones will be on earth when the nations are destroyed the unknown day and hour of the master’s coming could not possibly be in reference to Armageddon, since all the master’s slaves will be with him then.

Where does that leave Jehovah’s Witnesses?

Well, they are in a mess. The Watchtower has made an absolute mess of things. Consider, again the passage under consideration from the 13th chapter of Mark. The illustration of the coming of the master to his own house to judge his slaves as to their faithfulness and wakefulness clearly relates to what is known as the judgment of the house of God.

In proof of that consider Jesus’ letters to the seven congregations in the opening pages of Revelation, specifically to the congregation in Sardis in the third chapter, where Jesus states: “Become watchful, and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your works fully performed before my God. Therefore, continue mindful of how you have received and how you heard, and go on keeping it, and repent. Certainly unless you wake up, I will come as a thief, and you will not know at all at what hour I will come upon you.”

Jesus’ stern admonition to repent and become watchful harmonizes with the illustration in the 13th chapter of Mark. It confirms that the unknowable hour of Jesus’ thief-like coming is in regards to his slaves.

Also, consider more closely what Jesus stated in Mark. He referred not merely to his coming, but he said: “when he comes suddenly.” Now consider a similar expression in the third chapter of the prophecy of Malachi, where it states: “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up a way before me. And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,’ says Jehovah of armies. ‘But who will endure the day of his coming, and who will be able to stand when he appears?’”

Notice the word “come” appears three times in that brief span. And the word “coming” is used once as well. But, take special notice that the true Lord does not just come —he comes “suddenly,” just as Jesus stated in Mark. Obviously, the temple to which Jesus suddenly comes is the same as the “house” to which the long-absent master suddenly comes.

However, the Watchtower doesn’t see it that way. According to Bethel the true Lord came to his temple in 1914. Here is what is stated in in the July 15, 2013, Watchtower:

What is the larger fulfillment of Malachi’s prophecy? For many years before 1914, C. T. Russell and the brothers working with him did a work like that of John the Baptizer. They studied the Bible to discover what it really teaches. For example, they taught the true meaning of Christ’s ransom sacrifice, showed that hellfire did not exist, and declared when the Gentile Times would end. There were many other religious groups who claimed to be Christ’s followers. But who among these groups were the wheat? To answer that question, Jesus began to inspect the spiritual temple in 1914. Jesus’ work to inspect and cleanse that temple lasted from 1914 to the early part of 1919.

Contradictorily, although claiming that the master has already come to inspect God’s temple, the Watchtower now teaches that the coming of the master to judge the slaves of his household is in the future. But, supposedly, his future coming is not the parousia. It is Armageddon! What a tangled mess!

The Watchtower vividly demonstrates that they have no hint as to the day or hour of his coming. And their blindness virtually guarantees that Jesus will come upon them as suddenly and unexpectedly as a thief in the night.

Charles Russell grave - Laodecian messengerInterestingly, the original Bible Students once believed that Charles Taze Russell was the so-called Laodicean Messenger. In fact, that is the epitaph engraved on his headstone. Since the congregation of Laodicea was the last of the seven congregations Jesus addressed it was thought that Russell was the last messenger in a succession. Whatever.

Of course, it was C.T. Russell who originally concocted the myth that the Lord’s powerful presence began in 1874 and 1914 was to be the end of it all. Then, in 1930 Rutherford reset the beginning of the parousia to 1914. The Watchtower has been shackled to that date ever since.

The current Governing Body and apparently everyone else at Bethel are completely blind to the many contradictions they espouse. Ironically, now the message Jesus directed to that Laodicean congregation is most appropriate for the congregants of Bethel. Let them hear what the spirit now says to the congregation:

“Because you say, ‘I am rich and have acquired riches and do not need anything at all,’ but you do not know that you are miserable and pitiful and poor and blind and naked, I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may become dressed and that the shame of your nakedness may not be exposed, and eyesalve to rub in your eyes so that you may see.”

2016-12-08T15:10:45+00:00 January 17th, 2016|Mailbag|81 Comments
  • Danny

    If it doesnt happen 40 years after 1975 i will be very surpriced.

    • Joshgoshjw@gmail.com

      http://biblehub.com/tsk/genesis/6-3.htm

      120=Divine yr=jubilee=50yrs=6,000yrs=Presence
      As I understand.

      The time is upon us..

      Watch for glowing faces …

      Holy Spirit Is Very Powerful, Radiant!

      Buy some food…imo

      • Danny

        I think it wil happen around september 25, year 2015 at sundown, because it was 40 years between Adam and eves creation.

        • D34D 4L!3N

          can Jesus and the angels easily count the 40 year time frames that have occurred up to now and know the next date that 40 year mark falls on? yes they can. so enough with counting. nobody but Jehovah gives the go. then the case is it will occur when Jehovah feels like it. The End

          haven’t you read the book of Malarkey?

          is reads –

          Apostles – tell us when these things will be.

          then Jesus replied – just count the seven times man.

          Apostles – huh? times lord?

          Jesus – yeah man, ya know, five hundred years ago when good old Zed took off his crown. just count seven times from then an thats when it allllll happens.

          Apostles – but why seven? we don’t understand lord.

          Jesus – oh let me show ya. lets see now where’s it at? (flips through a scroll) ah there it is, see Neb went all crazy eatin grass man. for seven times! just count that an you’ll get nineteen fourteen.

          Apostles – 19, 14?

          Jesus – yeah yeah, 1914, im tellin ya dad cant keep any secret from me man. i even know where he hides his catnip.

          Apostles – catnip my lord?

          Jesus – just call me Jay man.

          Then the Apostles went off to find the real Christ – The End

          • patri

            Nice one D34D. Lol.
            A little light relief from so much intensity doesn’t hurt anyone now n again 😉

            • D34D 4L!3N

              yeah, Jesus being the master worker who has been there through bible history could have easily told his apostels 1914 or count seven from one time to another. i actully had an elder tell me that the apostels understood Jesus as if talking about 500 years earlier. nobody in their right mind would have thought Jesus was talking about five centuries earlier. he was talkin about 70ce and the times of the end. the times of the nations hasnt even begun yet but is about to and its gunna be real ugly. good thing Jehovah cares for us even when we are wicked. thank God! thing is, after Zedekiah took off the crown, Jesus later on earth became their king and they killed their king. like he said “For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world,”

            • Brian

              One thing for sure, it is definitely going to get ugly, very ugly!

    • surprize!

      • Danny

        This comment was made after 2015 and it was a quote from Robert King the false prophet. Hes a joke, he claims to have read crisis of conscience but is still stuck in this crazy pedophile sect?

        • aw, then edit it with quotes.
          i was suprised this wicked system has dragged on this long before 2015

        • You poor imbecile. I can’t imagine the load of stupidity you must be trying to carry.

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    Hello Robert. .
    question. Let’s say JWs took to believing exactly how you see things. What good if any would it do for JWs If all these things are already destined as scripture indicate?
    what any of us benefit from it with the other sheep benefit of any of it what are preparedness be any different?

    • D34D 4L!3N

      “other than it still puts a person in the exact same position” u sure about that? think again…

      • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

        Absolutely nothing to gain from the details. as no matter how you look at it, all the way up until Jesus comes will be under a delusion of error..it doesn’t change anything just because you see something more clearly the stage is already set it doesn’t matter how much information you know.

        • Jonah Peter Paul

          IT DOES MATTER and there are many important and obvious
          reasons why. I have seen you comment several times in this website already and
          I’m just wondering why it seems that you don’t get the the very clear goal of
          this website at all nor the importance of Robert’s work. Prior to finding this
          website I was already stumbled. I was questioning God’s existence and his
          righteousness and that could have lead to me losing my faith and my belief in
          God and if that happened how would my daughter end up? isn’t that a big deal
          for you? 2 lives saved? This website explained everything that I needed to
          know, gave me comfort and assurance that at least Jehovah is alive and He is
          gonna do something about all the injustice that his poor sheep were subjected
          to. Child abuse victims don’t want money, want they need is to be completely
          healed from being damaged persons and only the kingdom of God can bring about
          that change. But even that hope is lost when you are abused by the mere leaders
          of the so called “God’s only organization on Earth”. I was filled
          with desire for vengeance and I was at some point willing to do anything it
          takes to get back at the leading men in the organization who destroyed my life.
          This website set me free from anger and hate. This website reassured me that
          Jehovah is very much alive and the time has come when justice is gonna be
          served. Although mistreated and kicked out from the congregation, I found the
          courage to preach again, to find joy in serving Jehovah again, to see purpose
          in my life again and that’s 3 lives saved now, me, my husband and daughter
          preach whenever we can, we pray together, we find comfort and hope in seeing
          the signs of the coming kingdom in the news, in the internet and it helped us
          focus not on the things that happened in the past nor be too caught up with
          trying to build a career in the present, but with the future life that awaits
          us if we make it to paradise.

          But the very intent of this website as brother Robert has
          put it is this:

          “THE RACE FOR LIFE…

          In several places the apostle Paul used the analogy of a foot race
          to illustrate the course of life for Christians. “I have run the race
          to the finish,” the apostle wrote to Timothy toward the close of his
          earthly life. “And let us run with endurance the race that is set
          before us,” he exhorted his fellow Hebrews.

          Taking that analogy of the Christians course one step further, particularly at this
          moment in time, at this place in history, we might more aptly liken it
          to not merely a foot race, but hurdles. That’s because the “track” is
          strewn with numerous stumbling blocks, which must eventually be
          surmounted – hurdled, as it were.

          Jesus himself indicated that causes for stumbling will exist within his congregation –
          his kingdom – up until the conclusion of the system of things, when he
          gives the order and his angels then remove all things causing
          stumbling. Obviously, or perhaps not so obvious, there exist numerous
          stumbling blocks in the path of Jehovah’s Witnesses. And many have been
          stumbled. “And many will be stumbled,” according to Jesus. That will
          be inevitable when the authentic Parousia begins and the Watchtower’s
          1914 doctrine, which prophecy likens it to a whitewashed wall, is
          shattered and nothing is left but shards and fragments.

          The intent of this website IS TO PREPARE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES FOR THE DAY OF STUMBLING; to cushion the blow –if that is at all possible – in the
          hope that all will be able to clear the last hurdle in our race for life.”

          -Robert King e-watchman.com

          So do you get it now? You underestimate what information can
          do. Information SAVE LIVES. Like in cases of calamities like earthquakes or
          accidents where medical treatment is needed, those who have knowledge have a
          bigger chance of surviving but those who know nothing, those who panic, those
          who think they know what to do but actually got the wrong information, DIE.

          They say little knowledge is dangerous. And it’s true and that is exactly the position of most Jehovah’s Witnesses right now, How can you
          say that those who found out the truth and JWs who are still deluded are in the
          same position? They aren’t even keeping on the watch or waiting for Jesus’
          return cause HE ALREADY RETURNED IN 1914 right? They believe in what the WT
          teach that the four horsemen that will bring war, famine and pestilence and
          will claim the lives of 1/4 of the population ALREADY CAME. In the more recent
          articles the organization even claims that the end would be SO EASY that
          non-JWs wouldn’t even notice it’s already the end. But reality will slap JWs in
          their faces and they will be in so much panic and agony NOT KNOWING WHAT IS
          GOING ON when a nuclear war begins and a virus sweeps millions of people around
          the world or when inflation rates are so high up and they have barely anything
          to eat (The WT has taught that THERE CAN NEVER BE ANOTHER WORLD WAR).
          They wouldn’t understand why the Bethels and Kingdomhalls have to be burned down or why their brothers and sisters will be purged and hunted when supposedly they should be the LAST to be persecuted. Many JWs do not even know or understand what the mark of the beast even is. I became a regular pioneer without even hearing about the four horsemen or the mark. It is important to understand it
          because those who will accept the mark will be doomed and will have their names
          blotted out of the book of life- no more paradise or resurrection. How can you
          compare most deluded JWs to the readers of this website when JWs do not even keep on the Watch because Jesus already came while those who know better know that it is almost about time that he comes?

          The mere fact that readers of this website are aware that Satan and his demons aren’t thrown down yet and that the world hasn’t tasted Satan’s “great anger” yet is already a very big advantage. Why? The element of SURPRISE. According to an article from this website:

          “All things considered, it appears as if the wily old serpent has effectively
          feigned his own demise. Although he cannot successfully dupe Jehovah’s
          people into disbelieving he even exists – as he has done to the masses
          more firmly under his influence – what could be more devilish than
          presenting it as a grand revealed truth from the earthly mouthpiece of
          God that the great dragon has already been hurled down, when such is not
          the case at all?

          And for what purpose? TO LULL CHRISTIANS into supposing that Satan’s great anger is not really that great and that the flood of persecution disgorged by the
          dragon is merely a theocratic curiosity from yesteryear. The intention being: TO STUN THE SLAVES OF CHRIST INTO SUBMISSION with an UNANTICIPATED torrent of demonic fury when the overthrow actually occurs.” -ewatchman

          When the authentic parousia really commences, most JWs will be
          UNPREPARED, SHOCKED and STUMBLED (why is these all happening when the WT said it cannot happen? Is this even the true religion? Does Jehovah even exist? What do we now, What will happen next?) as the bible has put it. They will need assistance, explanation, enlightenment and comfort and hopefully some of them will get that from the readers of this website who knew all of these things beforehand.

          So how is that the same to you?

          I can give you like a hundred more reasons why this website
          and the information that can be found here is extremely beneficial but why
          should I waste more time? If you refuse to understand that is your choice. You
          are free to believe what you wish.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Well said!. P.S. I have missed your commentary.

            • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

              Hey Kevin how you doing…Always good to see everyone. .

            • Jonah Peter Paul

              Thank you. Wasn’t supposed to comment anytime soon but I can’t help but break my silence when I read that comment. I guess there should be a comprehension test first for those who want to comment as to avoid people who keeps on saying things without understanding anything. We are thankful for your comments and the others’ as well. At least we get to learn and be encouraged even if we no longer attend meetings.

          • Sam

            You give some awesome comments/essays! Love it 😀 And indeed, on the point of there being no benefit of knowing, if that was the case then Jehovah would not have made a practice of warning before an event… he would also have seen no need in having Jesus tell of these eventualities. There is only benefit to our attention being brought to these coming things

            • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

              The unfortunate truth to anyone paying attention is The main message that AKA E-watchman has brought to fore is the efforts to dismantle the 1914 lie..and at the same clearly points out that the lie will only turn the ashes at the coming of Christ, that being said all the preaching in the world will not lift the delusion only Christ Jesus can do this!

            • Jonah Peter Paul

              Great point! Definitely the signs were put in the Bible so that when we see it, we can do something about it and prepare! We do appreciate your comments as well. We know what you have been through was definitely very hard but your faith is highly commendable.

          • Bobby 6343

            You have spoken for many of us that have been enlighten by this site. Many of us have experience similar situations. What is important is all that you said, has resounded loud and clear for those that truly what the TRUTH.

            Thanks to Jehovah, we have Robert, through him we have come to be awaken.

            Thank you for your powerful words. I (we) share your views!

            • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

              Robert is not a a savior..and you shouldn’t put him on a podiumyou’re just setting yourself up for disappointment.

            • Bobby 6343

              You’re wrong! I am responsible for me and me only. I do not follow men, organization or institutions.

              Your problem is that YOU enjoy ASSuming!

            • Jonah Peter Paul

              Bobby, look at what this person is saying, for all we know he himself is an atheist or an idol worshiper so why do we even need to answer back? Whatever they accuse us is baseless and do not warrant our answer. We don’t need to defend ourselves at all. That is just what HATERS DO. They keep on saying things against something or somebody no matter how ridiculous and illogical they sound- they just keep on pointing their finger. So the best thing to do is to not give them attention. I am surprised at the audacity of people who have NO COMPREHENSION at all and who keeps on commenting no matter how ridiculous their messages are. This is all I can say to people like them:

            • Bklyn Kevin

              10 But these men are speaking abusively about all the things they really do not understand.+ And in all the things that they do understand by instinct like unreasoning animals,+ they go on corrupting themselves.

              16 These men are murmurers,+ complainers about their lot in life, following their own desires,+ and their mouths make grandiose boasts, while they are flattering others* for their own benefit.+ 17 As for you, beloved ones, call to mind the sayings that have been previously spoken* by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18 how they used to say to you: “In the last time there will be ridiculers, following their own desires for ungodly things.”+ 19 These are the ones who cause divisions,+ animalistic men,* not having spirituality.* 20 But you, beloved ones, build yourselves up on your most holy faith, and pray with holy spirit,+ 21 in order to keep yourselves in God’s love,+ while you await the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ with everlasting life in view.+ 22 Also, continue showing mercy+ to some who have doubts;+ 23 save them+ by snatching them out of the fire. But continue showing mercy to others, doing so with fear, while you hate even the garment that has been stained by the flesh.+ 24 Now to the one who is able to guard you from stumbling and to make you stand unblemished+ in the sight of his glory* with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, might, and authority for all past eternity and now and into all eternity. Amen.
              Jude:1

            • D34D 4L!3N

              i saved that picture cause its so cute

            • Jonah Peter Paul

              Yes it is. And it also compliments the caption well, gives the impression that we just shouldn’t care about haters and critics.

            • Jonah Peter Paul

              We are “thankful” to the person who did the assignment he was assigned to do. And being thankful doesn’t have anything to do worshiping him or making him our hero or like anything you are implying.

            • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

              Belittle? ??? telling the truth is belittling myself.. Sounds like you need to learn what it means that’s going on here what’s being said here. you belittle yourself with yourwith your criticism.

            • why would anyone ask that anyway? who here thinks cause they learn something new they are entitled to everlasting life? Rom 6:23b John 17:3

              instead why not ask, now that you know WW3 is imminent, demons will be cast down here, the WT will be anti-Christ, Jesus hasnt come yet but will be visible to meet us during the tribulation, will you be stumbled? Dan 12:4

            • Romans 5:5

          • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

            I think your assumption of me in my commentsare rather vague..

          • Besorongola Rainisoa

            The question is not about why this website is beneficial or not (of course it is), the question is “what to gain from the details”

            • Jonah Peter Paul

              My answer was very clearly explained as regards to what life saving information there is and what will people gain out of knowing the details of what’s to come- THOSE WHO KNOW THE DETAILS ARE ALMOST EXEMPTED FROM THE STUMBLING and not only that but they can HELP THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO BE STUMBLED- and that means LIVES SAVED. The readers of this website wouldn’t be caught by Satan’s use of the element of surprise when he finally manifests his GREAT ANGER to the world and cause chaos unlike ever seen. While most JWs are in total panic and cannot make the right decisions, while they are in a state of SHOCK, in contrary, those who know what is going on are definitely going to be much calm and rational and are definitely more knowledgeable as regards to what they should do.

              You can add the points that because they were more aware and they were more prepared, and THEY WERE PROVIDED THE DETAILS (thanks to this website), during the famine they probably have stocked up some food maybe enough to last several days to months and maybe they were able to get their money and savings out of the bank before the economy collapses totally, perhaps some have followed the advice to keep something they can use to trade with like brother Robert said and most importantly, when they see the disgusting thing that causes desolation, THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO RUN AWAY and the readers of this website most probably will and when the mark of the beast comes and it becomes compulsory to have it, THEY KNOW THAT THEY SHOULDN’T have it and they most probably will refuse as compared to the stunned and shocked and misinformed JWs that are probably going be very easy to manipulate and scare into submission, just as brother Robert pointed out and that all means LIVES SAVED.

              I wouldn’t trade a normal life inside the organization for the truths that me and my family have found out about through this website. We view it as a very big gift and compensation from Jehovah.

              A non JW friend once told me that she is thankful and that she would rather know the whole truth and the details of what is to come and bear the burden of knowing it rather than be comforted for now and not know what to do when the time comes. At least she APPRECIATES and KNOWS the IMPORTANCE OF KNOWING THE DETAILS unlike some people who pretend they believe in God but are not interested in the things that He has revealed in the Bible.

              Only a very stupid person would say that details don’t matter.

            • Passi from B.C

              runaway to where exactly?

            • straight towards the disgusting thing, dead center.

              Heb 13:13
              Joel 2:32
              Matt 24:15-16

              https://e-watchman.com/disgusting-thing-causes-desolation/

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Details can make the difference between internal deaths or internal life.
              This means everlasting life, their coming to know you,* the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17:3

              Matthew 16:

              Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake* and keep following me.+ 25 For whoever wants to save his life* will lose it, but whoever loses his life* for my sake will find it.+ 26 Really, what good will it do a man if he gains the whole world but loses his life?*+ Or what will a man give in exchange for his life?*+ 27 For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior.

          • Kevin b

            You’re awesome!

          • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

            The goal of the website?????? Is to dismantle the 1914 lie..an alert as best he can to the fact that Jesus is coming to Jehovah’s Witnesses congregation temple not Christendom it doesn’t take a genius to realize that all you have to do is read the Roberts book

          • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

            Uh!.the format of this website is to point tochrist coming and correcting the wrongs and putting it in just hypocricy in this world to bring justice pretty much the same point the watchtower makes..

            • Brian

              Everybody will and does make the same claim!

            • except the format of this website that points out the Watchtowers coming of Christ is meaningless and points out the judgments for the Watchtowers wrongs an hypocricy, Uh id say pretty much kinda

              i know your comment is 5 months old now. im sure you know better now. just reading an thinking out loud

          • Erik

            Well said!! As mentioned many times, those who understand what will be taking place are going to be the ones helping those who do not wish to use these unexpected events as an excuse to stop loving Jehovah and his son Jesus. (although many will do just that) they will be confused and likely afraid of what will be occurring around them. Those who know will be helping these people. And don’t be surprised that the ones taking the lead in helping these people will be the ones who are considered the “weak” or maybe the “strange ones” in the congregations.

        • D34D 4L!3N

          so youre saying now that you know better, youre still sumbled? ok i guess when the time comes just pretend you dont have any idea whats going on an run around like a chicken with your head cut off with the rest of the stumbled witnesses. Daniel 11:33

          • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

            Your missing the the entire point of Roberts message. Again “The delusion of air will remain until such a time that Christ reveals himself and it goes off into the abyss with the rest of the man of lawlessness stumbling lies. A hand full of people in the “know” isn’t going to stop or change the minds of those who make up the Christian congregation again take note of what Roberts message is implying!

            • D34D 4L!3N

              no, i havent missed any point of Roberts message at all. dont know why you would think that. odd

        • Rose Castro

          Well, in my humble opinion, I can tell you that I have been
          sharing the information presented here, with my JW mother. She’s
          naturally inquisitive and intelligent, so she is paying some attention. I
          guess, I might be of help to her and other family members when the time comes.
          So, there is much to gain from knowing these truths…

        • Brian

          But Daniel does state that the true knowledge will become abundant, whether this is just before Jesus and the Kingdom arrive is up for question.
          Daniel 12:4
          “As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.”

          I think it does help, it helps you to direct people in the scriptures so that they can take it in, apply it and help others with the same. This is a directive.

    • Bobby 6343

      What good if any would it do for JWs If all these things are already destined as scripture indicate?

      Did you forget that knowing just what we know on this site, would cause the greatest stumbling ever seen?

      Who do you think can help many of our brothers and sister to hold fast in the faith, but those of us that can clearly present to them, with the help of Jehovah, the reason behind all of this.

      Furthermore, remember this is a delusion that Jehovah allows.

      ” how would this help any of us other than it still puts a person in the exact same position that jesus is coming as a thief at an hour we do not know”

      This Earth shaking event will help many, because most JW’s need to be shaken very hard in order to be awaken from this delusional sate of mind.

      When reading the articles presented by Bro. Robert, we can see that that things will change because Jehovah is the one that effects the changes to bring his people back in line with his purpose. It would do well for many of us that have found this site and hope that our God Jehovah can use us in what ever capacity he sees fit in order to help our brothers in their hour of need.

      Hopefully the information that we are now acquiring can help us to be prepare in our faith, there has to be a reason that so few of us have found this site.

      We can only hold firm in our faith and wait on Jehovah.

      • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

        Like said it makes no disfference..the stumbling is going to come….. Its divinely inspired…

        • D34D 4L!3N

          so youre saying now that you know better, youre still sumbled? ok i guess when the time comes just pretend you dont have any idea whats going on an run around like a chicken with your head cut off with the rest of the stumbled witnesses. Daniel 11:33

        • Jonah Peter Paul

          Yes it is true that because it is already foretold, it is definitely going to happen and nothing can stop that BUT WHAT YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND is that those who found out about what is going to happen are most probably already exempted from that future stumbling and they also do have THE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO BE STUMBLED. After all the Bible said “many will be stumbled” and not “all will be stumbled.” If a righteous person was given foreknowledge about the things to come, he would definitely know that the right thing to do is to share that information to as many people as he can and try to help out. Remember it is also destined that 1/3 of Jehovah’s people will SURVIVE and we can safely assume that some of those 1/3 are readers of this website who were not shaken nor stumbled by what will happen and those whom they helped and enlightened during the mass stumbling.

          For example: If there are around 1500 regular readers of this website and they told at least 10 people about what they know and those brothers and sisters told 10 of their relatives and other Witness friends and those friends each told 10 of the JWs they know how many lives would that be? Do the Math and tell us it doesn’t make a difference.

      • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

        its all disambiguous!

      • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

        Good reply.you have a reasonable expectation. .

      • Erik

        You are absolutely correct. During that time many will be stumbled due to things unfolding in ways not expected. The same was true in the first century. Many Jews were stumbled over Jesus because he was not the Messiah they were expecting. They were looking for an earthly kingdom and the over throw of the Roman Empire. As a result many never embraced the Son of God. It was a refining work. Future events will be the same. What has been taught for so many years will not take place and this will test everyone to their loyalty to Jehovah and the Kingdom. In fact, many will abandon what is right and use the events as an excuse to turn on those who are still living by God’s word and principals. Like the first century, it is a refining work. At that time the main question will become:
        Will a person continue to be loyal to God despite all the unexpected events that are taking place?
        According to the scriptures, many will not! Those who have been given the privilege to understand this are going to take the lead at that time in helping all those who still want to adhere to God’s word but are both confused and afraid of the things unfolding in BOTH the world and in the organization.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Daniel 32 “And those who act wickedly against the covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words.* But the people who know their God will prevail and act effectively. 33 And those having insight+ among the people will impart understanding to the many. And they will be made to stumble by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plundering, for some days. 34 But when they are made to stumble, they will be given a little help; and many will join with them by means of smooth speech.* 35 And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and a whitening+ until the time of the end; because it is yet for the time appointed.

    • ewatchman

      I think Solomon said it best: “There exists more advantage for wisdom than for folly, just as there is more advantage for light than for darkness.”

      • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

        Solomon also said at Ecclesiastes 1:18 English Standard Version.
        For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow..

        • ewatchman

          That’s a fact. Still, I guess I am old-fashioned, I think knowledge is better than ignorance. Obviously most people don’t think so.

          • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

            Lol..your not old fashioned. You have good heart. I can see it in all your work and you always have a way putting a new spin on an old idea..many thanks. .

        • Jonah Peter Paul

          My take on that:

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Proverbs 9:10 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom, And knowledge of the Most Holy One is understanding. 11 For by me your days will be many, And years will be added to your life.
          John 17:25 Now look! a man versed in the Law stood up to test him and said: “Teacher, what do I need to do to inherit “everlasting life” ?” 26 He said to him: “What is written in the Law? How do you read?” 27 In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah* your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul* and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 He said to him: “You answered correctly; keep doing this and you will get life.”

          Romans 8:35 Who will separate us from the love of the Christ?Will tribulation or distress or persecution or hunger or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 Just as it is written: “For your sake we are being put to death all day long; we have been accounted as sheep for slaughtering.” 37 On the contrary, in all these things we are coming off completely “victorious” through the one who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers 39 nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

          Romans 5:3 Not only that, but let us rejoice while in tribulations, since we know that tribulation produces endurance; 4 endurance, in turn, an approved condition; the approved condition, in turn, hope, 5 and the hope does not lead to ” disappointment ” because the love of God has been poured out into our hearts through the holy spirit, which was given to us. Romans 5:

          James 1:2 Consider it all joy, my brothers, when you meet with various trials, 3 knowing as you do that this tested quality of your “faith” produces endurance. 4 But let endurance complete its work, so that you may be complete and sound in all respects, not lacking in anything.

        • Brian

          I think that might be more associated with all of the things in life being vanity.

        • Ecclesiastes 7:3 – biblehub.com/ecclesiastes/7-3.htm

      • Brian

        Or Ecclesiastes 7:12, “For wisdom is protection just as money is protection.
        But the advantage of knowledge is that wisdom preserves the lives of its possessors.”

        • e.v.g

          Solomon had a lot of wisdom (and many wives too)
          But look! something more than Solʹo·mon shall come.

    • e.v.g

      Do you have fear? because I have fear too, the book of Revelation says:
      But as for the COWARDS and those without FAITH and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death.”
      It is not the fault of Jehovah that the world is full of liars and wicked people, it is necessary to use our discernment and all that things for not being deceived, I learn that from brother Robert, the last days will be a test for all in the end, what kind of attitude should we have?

    • Brian

      Hi, what about the message that should still be given to all of the people, the message that the number is not sealed and for those that ask it will be given. Well given in as much as many are called but few are chosen, because of the 1914 hoax and the so called filling or the number of chosen or called ones in 1935, brought about with the then knowledge of the parousia being in 1914, a lie we now know, this lie has created a plethora of other lies or miss understandings.
      My understanding is that we should still be collecting people on the basis of a heavenly hope, I know the number is 144,000, so please don’ think I am some sort of apostate. The original message was just that, and I don’t see any reason to change it or a sign from above that it has changed. The collecting of the “great crowd” is another one of these furphy’s related to the 1914 Hoax, this “great crowd”, it will appear as a result of the sealing of the Chosen ones and not before, the great crowd will be those that have given support unwittingly to those that will be chosen and others that have taken Jesus to be their future.
      So if you are to go out and collecting all sorts of people and bringing them in under the guise of you are just an also ran and not standing as a called one, I don’t think you would be doing as the mastered asked.
      So that is something to think about as this would be life saving knowledge.

  • Nigel

    Hello Brother King,

    I really enjoyed this article – and especially the first half with it’s accompanying image of the Spirit-anointed members of the body of Christ entering into the marriage of the Lamb. This is the true hope of all of God’s elect. Thank you for sharing it so clearly, concisely & eloquently.

    “The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.”

    Amen. Hallelujah!

  • Joshgoshjw@gmail.com

    For those that have eyes and ears…

    https://youtu.be/-wvPlOLjcGU

    Buy some food…asap!!!

    • Bklyn Kevin

      The sword stroke is more than likely the collapse of the Financial System
      But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months. Revelation 11:2
      I saw that one of its heads seemed to have been fatally wounded, but its mortal wound had been healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration. Relation 13:3.

      It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months. And it opened its mouth in blasphemies Revelation 13:5-6

      Then I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb, but it began speaking like a dragon. It exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight. And it makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first wild beast, whose mortal wound was healed. And it performs great signs, even making fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind. It misleads those who dwell on the earth, because of the signs that it was permitted to perform in the sight of the wild beast, while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword-stroke and yet revived And it was permitted to give breath to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who refuse to worship the image of the wild beast.
      Revelation 13:11-15

      And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.
      Revelation 17:11

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Excerpt from
        Home/Mailbag/What is the meaning of the beast rising from the earth.

        Since the fatal wounding of the head of the beast initiates judgment day, it is evident that it is a future event. That being the case, so is the ascension of the two-horned beast. The beast rising up from the earth symbolizes the beast returning from the grave – the abyss – coinciding with the seemingly slaughtered head coming back to life.

        In the event of the crash of the Dollar, which is considered inevitable, the present American-dominated world can easily change, literally overnight. Government will simply cease to function – as though it had been killed.

        The two-horns of a lamb might be intended to signify that the beast is a counterfeit of the Lamb of God, who at that time will be ruling in his kingdom. Its speaking as a dragon portrays that Satan will directly speak through his resurrected earthly beast to command the world to defy Christ.

  • Rose Castro

    When Armageddon occurs and the chosen ones are no longer on
    earth, what will happen to those who have an honest heart and are seeking truth?

    • ewatchman

      “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world. For I became hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and you received me hospitably; naked and you clothed me. I fell sick and you looked after me. I was in prison and you visited me.’ Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ In reply the King will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’”

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  • Merton

    I reckon Jesus does know the day and hour of his return. Post resurrection Jesus that is.

    • D34D 4L!3N

      yeah, the WT has his thief like coming all a big stupid mess. how we supposed to keep watching for the masters surprise return after hes already come along side to minister?

  • Francis Bencharles

    Russell had it backwards, he was the messenger of Ephesus. And you are correct that Laodicea is the final congregational arrangement of the Watchtower and Laodicea is there now with it’s messenger as well. They are made up of the remaining ones of Christ’s Bride who have never “bent a knee to Baal”, which of course is the organization itself with the governing body as it’s head. That scripture that you quoted from Revelation 3 fits their situation quite well. There is a certain arrogance about them that is displayed. But the ones who have not bent a knee to Baal have not because they are not even recognized by the organization or themselves as such. They have never, at this point in time partaken of the emblems of the Passover of the Watchtower. The Watchtower do not recognize these ones as such nor do the individuals themselves. It will be at the coming of Christ that these ones will be revealed for the first time. Be there to see it.

  • Turd Ferguson

    And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

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