What the new year may bring

//What the new year may bring

Over the course of the past year the societal fault lines in America have opened into a gapping chasm. White-black, left-right, Christian-Atheist-Islamic, haves and have-nots — you name it.

Of course, the trigger for the tectonic jolt was the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States. Even before his inauguration the FBI began tapping the president elect’s phones and maneuvering plants into positions to entrap persons associated with the administration so as to prosecute the president. Prior to the election the losing party had paid millions to a “retired” British intelligence agent to write up a dossier on Trump’s supposed collusion with Russia, which after the election was then weaponized as the legal basis for an investigation and the appointment of a so-called special prosecutor. Amazingly, other individuals within the justice Department and the FBI who had full knowledge of the fraudulent dossier scheme were the very ones leading the investigation.

At any rate, it seems the RussiaGate plot has come completely unraveled, although you would never know it from the main, mainstream media outlets, which are interconnected with the so-called deep state, even employing CIA journalists, who are bent on orchestrating a soft coup.

Behind the scenes is the well-known “philanthropist,” George Soros. His “philanthropy” brought Barak Obama into power and was behind Clinton as well. As a teenager in occupied Hungary he collaborated with the Nazis in betraying his fellow Jews to the concentration camps and ovens. Having the right stuff for bigger and better things, after the war Soros was groomed by the Crown. And after winning a lucky bet against the Bank of England and parlaying his winning into a successful hedge fund, Soros’ billions finance leftist (communist) groups and color revolutions around the world, including the coup in Ukraine that brought a left-behind cell of Nazis into power. As an agent of the British Empire, Soros spearheads their war against the nation-state system and Western civilization.

As reported by Zero Hedge as of December 21st the POTUS is pushing back, hard —issuing an executive order declaring a national emergency. The executive order acknowledges that democratic institutions are under attack —most assuredly those within the United States. The executive order allows the U.S. to freeze the assets of the individuals and companies named. As Trump himself might say, this is yuuuuge! It amounts to a declaration of war against foreign agent money bags, some of whom are direct contributors to the Clinton Foundation, which ironically has ties with Russia via the Uranium One deal.

Of note, just as the RussiaGate probe is fizzling out, Sputnik reported that ex-CIA agents have been training in the United Arab Emirates to form a private “spy” agency. Showing no hint of impartiality the UAE supported Clinton in the U.S. election. The UAE, which has always been a satrapy of the British Empire, has served as a base of illegal weapons trafficking, running Afghani heroin and money laundering. In other words, an Opium Wars era, Hong-Kong like outpost of the Empire. In all likelihood the deep state agents in training are being deployed around the world as snipers, assassins, agents provocateurs and false flag terrorist operators.

It seems the president is preparing for an outright attack in view of the fact that the first ever live fire drills were performed by the secret service on the White House lawn.

2018 is shaping up to be a tumultuous year. If the president initiates prosecution of the deep state coup promoters directly, it would likely be the trigger for the leftist columns to set off a civil war. On the other hand the successful, fraudulent prosecution or the assassination of the president would also achieve the same outcome. But that’s what it is coming down to.

I suspect 2017 will be the last “normal” year.

What does any of this have to do with Bible prophecy? Here is the last sentence from the 2010 version of the King of the North chapter in Jehovah Himself Has Become King

The Empire now stands poised to unleash a wave of assassinations, terrorism—perhaps using biological agents—anarchy and world war, in order to destroy the nation-state system for good. And although London and the British Empire may have played the role of the king of the north for the past two centuries that is about to change too.  In the aftermath of the coming crash of the present Anglo-American system the last manifestation of the king of the north will likely be in the form of the United Nations—not as it presently exists, but as a totalitarian, supra-national government—the new world order. 

2017-12-31T08:23:22+00:00 December 27th, 2017|Updates|158 Comments
  • Cathii D’anthonii

    It’s like being a mouse in a room full of cats, which way do you run???Even people who have never opened a Bible can see everything is falling apart..

    • The Raven

      Hi Cathii. What you say is true. My neighbors may pay lip service to their particular political parties but I see them stocking up on essentials and ammo in much greater quantities than needed for storms. Strange days ahead. Hope you guys are ok in the Keys. Cold and damp here.

      • A few months ago a neighbor of mine invited me into his house to show me his collection of guns, including an AK47. I’d say he’s ready. lol

        • The Raven

          They believe war is coming. They’re right. No one really knows how it will manifest but country folk here are mainly veterans and intend on protecting their families. There are also numerous groups who have assets which can be shared with folks to mitigate need. Even leos here have plans for this, many of them are also vets. Small towns and rural areas are accustomed to helping each other. They don’t rely on gov aid. Especially not after the world saw the pathetic and disgraceful response to Katrina. Real wake up call.

          • Jamie Mac

            Hi Raven

            Had to ask what does ‘leos’ indicate. Is that a reference to one of the signs of the zodiac. Is it a typo?. Just curious 🙂

            • The Raven

              Hi Jamie. It’s law enforcement officers.

            • Jamie Mac

              Well that sounds a whole lot more respectful than some of the names given to our law enforcement officers. The worst one being ‘PIGS’, how nasty is that. Of course the most innocent one is ‘Bobbies’ which is in reference to Sir Robert Peel who was the main instigator of an act of parliament in 18?? something. I quite like the term leos.

        • J.M.J.

          Someone posted years ago about preppers and said ,but I have a vast array of guns and know where you all live .Why do I need to store food?

          • The Raven

            He must like playing russian roulette. Around here he’ll wind up as someone’s scarecrow at the end of the drive while banjos play.

        • Burt Reynolds

          I think I have an old catapult somewhere, but I think the elastic is broken.

          • The Raven

            I don’t think a catapult would have any effect on dogmaticly misled folks. Or zombies for that matter. 😁

    • And ironically, Jehovah’s Witnesses have no idea what’s going on or what it is leading up to.

      • Apple Pi

        They’ve been using the meetings lately to convince themselves that they will have Jehovah’s protection throughout the great tribulation, as long as they are obedient to the organization, which they equate to being obedient to Jehovah. All the prophetic scriptures that apply after the house of God receives their judgment are being applied to the whole tribulation period.

        • Max

          it has been quite over the top the emphasis they are giving now to be obedient to the organization. Idolatry is growing rapidly… very scary!

          • The Raven

            They keep pace with the world’s downward spiral. That’s what’s so interesting about this.

          • Isaac of Coimbatore

            Truly said.

          • MMW

            it is scary indeed, and ” The ONE who endure to the END will be saved ” (Mt 24:13). notice, Jesus SELECTS only THOSE who endure to the end. which also means not everybody will make it…

            • Burt Reynolds

              Have you ever read the diary of Victor Klemperer, called ‘To the bitter end’. The diaries start in 1932 and end in 1960 when he died…born 1881. He was a Jew living in Berlin throughout most of the war and survived the firestorm in Dresden where he as moved to. It lends one insight on what enduring to the end meant. I recall one instance when he was burying a friend on a waste patch in Berlin and all he could think of was that he was glad it was not him who was being buried. The will to survive is so strong. He was the brother of the famous conductor Otto Klemperer 1885-1973. Worth reading.

            • Craig Knight

              I’m going to check out that book Burt, it sounds like a good one.

        • Craig Knight

          A few weeks ago my JW sister was visiting with me at the hospital to try to cheer up my ailing mother. We started talking about the great tribulation and I told her it would be wise to store some food and water etc. She kinda snickered and said well we have to trust in Jehovah. He will provide for us somehow. There is a false sense of God’s protection among the witnesses. They think they are going to skate right thru without severe testing. God is going to allow us to be tested with prison, lack of food and water and not to mention the repercussions of the 4 horsemen’s ride. By the 8th kings appearance it will really turn ugly. But the JW’s think Babylon will fall and they will just skip right into the kingdom. But didn’t Jesus say we would be persecuted and die like He did?

          • The Raven

            Hi Craig. Has she had her surgery yet? She doin ok? Yeah, that’s good advice and its a shame many won’t heed it. I can understand those who can’t do much but those with means should consider a lot of the beginnings of the pangs of distress will target everyone. Nukes, famine, pestilence don’t discriminate. If it can help even for a short while it would be worth it and you never know who they could be. In my case it’s probably a couple neighbors with kids down the road who never have enough. But that’s ok. I look at it the way I would hurricanes coming towards us. We get plenty of notice, may be in the line of fire but do what we can regardless.

            • Craig Knight

              Hi Raven! Thanks for asking about my Mom. She is resting in a rehab center for another 3 weeks or so. Her Doctor wants her to get stronger before surgery. She is 88 years old so it’s going to be a tough one on her. She seems to be taking it in stride and she preaches to everyone she can find around her. She’s a loyal witness and so I don’t say much about the organization because she is old and stuck in her ways and she needs her faith to get her thru. So sometimes it’s loving to keep quiet. My sister lost her husband not too long ago and so I don’t want to rock her boat either.

            • Isaac of Coimbatore

              Well I will pray for your mother. Good health to your mother. Oh she preaches that’s great!! Please convey my regards to your mother.

            • Craig Knight

              I certainly will! Thanks much Isaac.

            • Burt Reynolds

              That’s good advice. My sister often tells me she is ‘happy in her JW religion’ and one can understand why they say that after devoting their whole lives to it. What must it be like to realise your whole life has been given to a bunch of businessmen and in return, you have been given a promise you cannot see and don’t know is a lie, but prefer the lie to the truth which you also can’t bear to listen to. What a conundrum !

            • Craig Knight

              Hey Burt! – It’s pretty sad that so many years have been wasted by so many of us. While I was visiting my Mom recently a young lady came by to visit her mother as well. My mom and this other old woman share a room together. My mom introduced me to this young lady and I was told she agreed to a bible study. I had to force myself to say how glad I was but deep down inside I was thinking what a drag that this lady is going to be taught all the lies of 1914 and all the rest of it. The WT has 2 faces. One is a sparkling clean image of spiritual paradise for the newbies and the other is a handful of old greedy businessmen men backed by their attorney’s involved in all kinds of wickedness. My mother gave this lady the fairly new booklet “What does the Bible Really Teach?” – The book is written for attracting new ones like the old truth book. It’s real basic and written fairly well. WT discusses baptism and WT says how important it is to get baptized to serve Jehovah – but they skim over the topic real quick and they leave out the part where the new convert is actually getting baptized to the Governing Body not Christ. Then almost at the end there pops up their 1914 nonsense. The first paragraph on page 215 says – Decades in advance bible students proclaimed that there would be significant developments in 1914. Then off they go preaching the 607 lie again. Pretty pathetic.

          • Isaac of Coimbatore

            Yeah that’s true.

          • The voice

            Little do they know babylons fall starts with them

          • Burt Reynolds

            It not so unreasonable when you are old and frail to say that, because there is no other option but to hope that others will help you. There is nothing practical to do to help ones self! It’s a huge mountain to climb!

        • Isaac of Coimbatore

          Hey hey nice comment

      • tortas

        exactly, ive tried explaining to jws that the Great Tribulation is WW3 and all of them fire back with ‘ maybe, but who are the only ones doing the preaching work’ . theyve become trained to think that this is the only key to salvation.

        • Isaac of Coimbatore

          They will never listen

          • Jamie Mac

            Some will, lets pray all of them listen at some stage

            • Isaac of Coimbatore

              Oh sure if it happens I am happy

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        And also least bothered to listen

      • and when you try to talk with them its torture and frustratingly painful

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      Rightly said

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    This is another fantastic article. Well once I said to a man in the field that America will collapse. This is the only prophecy that I boldly declared to many of the people. I prophesied to many of my colleagues. They all agreed and said ok Isaac let’s see. It is only my wife who believes me as she is also a ewatchman reader and we discuss. My fleshly elder knows this and he worships Jehovah but he said I believe in you because you showed from bible. He said with heavy heart let it come I want to get rid of this sytem. We are waiting for so many days. He also asked me will it come in my life time? My parents know about this. My twin boys know about this and my kids say that democracy will fall just as a poem to many people and listeners don’t understand anything what these kids actually mean. If it comes true then as my twins nick named me as prophet Habukkuk it will become true. But thanks to Robert king who opened my eyes otherwise by this time I would become an atheist and gone away from Jehovah and Jesus and salvation.

    • Jamie Mac

      Isaac, you have so much love for Jehovah and Jesus. Your zeal and faith can only benefit all of us here on E Watchman. Don’t lose your faith even if the tribulation seems to be delaying.

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Thanks for your encouragement

    • Craig Knight

      We are glad you didn’t go the atheist route Isaac. Being an atheist is just dodging the God issue. In the tough times ahead I wonder if there will be such a thing as an atheist. That reminds me of that saying “There are no atheists in fox holes.” My older Brother is an atheist and boy is he in for a shocker.

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Oh thanks for that reply

    • MMW

      Robert saved a lot of lifes through this site. This site should be an eye opening even if sometimes people disagree..
      I ‘advertise’ Robert’s site on Yahoo in my comments. People sometimes replay me with taunting but I kepp going regarless of replys

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    Full holidays till 1st Jan 2018. Many of my colleagues are going to have a party and boozing. They called without thinking I said no!!! How could I do this because I love Jehovah and Jesus and salvation.
    Brothers and Sisters truly I say to you I am leading a Nazarene lifestyle when everyone is enjoying. I love the Nazarene life from the bottom of my heart because I understood Bible’s prophecy. I enjoy Bible than my friends enjoying alcohol and smoking. Because of Bible look I am having party with my wife and children a party of vegetables and fruits and dinner of Bible discussion . Oh how happy it is when we discuss the bible with deep meaning. I am now writing an article on Dan:11:33. Even on holidays in Bangalore and Mysore I feel an unsatisfied thirst on Bible’s prophecy. Oh now I am in Bangalore discussing Bible this night. Tommarow I am going to a Thursday in Bangalore and I am prepared to say Malachi:3:3-4. Now I really find Bible more enjoyable than party. So with deep appreciation I say I love Jehovah and Jesus.

    • The Raven

      You are blessed to have a believing family. Many do not and struggle through the holidays. Sounds like my kind of party! Cheers, Isaac!

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Thank you. We are having spiritual party. Do you know I dig Dan:11:37 desire of women. I discussed for 1 and half an hour with my family. I am writing an article.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Yes, it is a tragedy of commercial greed and appitite. But at least I have my family around me. I think they already see it girl what it is, which in itself, is progress.

        • The Raven

          Looks like autocorrect snuck a “girl” into your sentence. I once told my niece to keep a warm rat (hat) on her head and thick rocks (socks) on her feet!
          I agree with your sentiment and who knows, when this all begins they may get a better idea of what we’re saying.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Just as well it didn’t sneak something worse into the sentence!

            • The Raven

              Lol!

    • Bklyn Kevin

      yep just like in the days of Noah. Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/luke/17/#v42017020-v42017037

      And some don’t realize or want to accept is that the night is well along.

      And do this because you know the season, that it is already the hour for you to awake from sleep, for now our salvation is nearer than at the time when we became believers. The night is well along; the day has drawn near. Let us therefore throw off the works belonging to darkness and let us put on the weapons of the light. Let us walk decently+ as in the daytime, not in wild parties and drunkenness, not in immoral intercourse and brazen conduct, not in strife and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not be planning ahead for the desires of the flesh. Romans 13:12-14. Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/romans/13/#v45013011-v45013014

      The coming of Jehovah’s day (1-5)
      Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness. Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-thessalonians/5/#v52005001-v52005005

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Thank you for your reply

  • kakure Basho

    So where is this information on trump coming from? Info wars…. or these old timers like Paul Craig, or Larouche. Dont trust they’re info on trump. Please someone in the comments tell me that you haven’t fallen victim to this new deception in place…..

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      Put more light on that

    • You must have some sort of aversion to the truth. I bet you are a flat earther too. lol

      For a fact, LaRouche is the ONLY reliable source of intell available to a lay person not connected to government. Of course, you are too intellectually lazy and bloated with your own ignorance to examine it. It is just as well, you probably couldn’t comprehend it anyway.

      Some years ago I was a subscriber to the hard copy or Executive Intelligence Review and someone in the subscription department accidentally emailed me their entire subscribers’ list. It included well known journalists, senators and representatives and leaders of various countries. So don’t tell me my business.

      • kakure Basho

        I thought your business was to stay woke….

      • Burt Reynolds

        I suppose it is also impossible for flat Earthers to believe in the theory of globalism. I wonder if any can be outed?

  • JTK

    the destruction of the present state system is not the fulfillment of the The words of Paul when he said that it would be when they were saying peace and security that sudden destruction would be upon them,
    what is coming is a deliberate system destruction with an agenda for creation of the eighth king.
    Paul was refering to the destruction of “them” not the “system” this does not occur until the eighth king is established and those who worship it are destroyed by Christ
    the repeated empty echo of desiring peace and security that we hear today is simply a false flag
    its war they want, turmoil upheaval, population reduction and a one world government in opposition to The King of Kings
    the genuine announcment of peace and security will only come from them when they have what they want.

    • World war, famine and pestilence and the collapse of the system, is going to bring destruction on a scale never before seen. According to Revelation a quarter of mankind are going to perish. Furthermore, it will mean that the work of preaching and disciple making is over, meaning that persons who do not know the truth by then will have no opportunity to know it. Hence, they will not escape their doom.

      • Charles

        Robert, what do you say about the 1260 days? And the meaning of the woman’s flight away during that time, while the remaining of her seed will face persecution.

      • JTK

        i don.t disagree Robert there will be a time of great tribulation and a time when the preaching work is finished. but it has not even started yet
        Satan has not to date been evicted Christ has not to date started riding on the white horse with his armies on his symbolic way to rule the earth.
        But heres the realy misconception that you hold
        the GT is not caused by God as was the flood in the days of Noah it is caused by the arrival of satan to this earth. God is the one who cuts it short for the elects sake and satan then uses these events to promote a one world government as the eighth king.
        it is at this point in time that the little scroll is handed to the anointed and they are told to preach again . it is at this point that the angel declares worship God, it is at this point that the irreversable mark of the beast is administered, and it is shortly afterward when the 2 witnesses are killed and the people rejoice and the declaration of Peace and security is declared that Christ makes the judgment and sudden destruction is upon them and they have no escape.

        • You are the one holding the misconception. I have never stated that God causes the great tribulation. Where did you come up with that?

          • JTK

            Ok Robert well you believe God caused the flood and so do i and you interpret the GT to have the same effect as the flood which also causes the sudden destruction. of them
            it seems to me that is what you are saying given that you believe Trump and his kind now talk of peace and security
            this is where i see the misconception
            i don,t read the scripture to mean that
            Christ was comparing the unexpected suddeness of the flood with his return not the destruction of them all due to effects of the GT
            people will survive the GT, more so those who caused it for a purpose, that is evident from the eighth King being worshiped by them and people receiving his irreversible mark.
            Robert i ask you simply to reason on this question
            do you think that it is reasonable to insist that it is the seventh head in the form of the anglo american diad that declares peace and security and receives sudden but not total destruction enabling them to produce an eighth more powerful head, or is it not more reasonable to recognise that it is the empowered united nations having obtained authority over all mankind having persecuted the holy ones and slaughtered them that dedclares world peace and security as having been achieved.?
            i think so, it is then when Christ reveals himself and it is then when sudden destruction comes upon them. and they will by no means escape
            Robert i will leave the conversation as time will be the ultimate decider on this
            i hope you are right that Christ is due very shortly but i think we still have some way to go

            • e.v.g

              The day of Jehovah will be like a thief in the night, if the announcement of peace and security would be after the tribulation, then it would be to late to wake up from the spiritual stupor during that time(1Tess 5:6) The apostle exhortation is about to “wake up before is to late” the message is mainly to the anointed, before the signs of war, pestilence etc. Prophetically has to do with the present situation in the watchtower.sorry for the intrusion.

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      You may be right Jesus said when you hear ears and reports of war, do not be anxious because the end is not yet. Mat:24:6.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Please take note that Jesus clearly said “All these things are THE “beginning” of pangs of distress, now take note that the Apostle Paul connected it to what Jesus said by saying

      “just like birth pains on a pregnant woman” and now for sure we know that labor pains take place before the actual birth so that would mean when they are exclaiming that peace and security is taking place – it would mean the very beginning and that’s when the Angelo American Duo / seven-headed wild beast go down and this all happens when Satan is cast out of heaven.

      And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el* and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil+ and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.Read more> Revelation 12:7-10.
      https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/revelation/12/#v66012007

      “Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. Read more> Thessalonians 5: https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-thessalonians/5/#v52005003

      For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. Matthew 24: Read more>https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/matthew/24/#v40024008

  • Shelly Kennedy

    Robert I used to get excited when you said things like “I suspect 2017 will be the last “normal” year.” This past year I listened to most of your old podcasts for a second time, and was surprised at the number of times you implied that the end was nigh. In your 1975 piece a few years back, you implied that the end would start by the spring of 2016 because we were 40 years out from 1975. I know you hope that Jesus comes soon, and so do I, but I think that this wicked world can get MUCH more wicked before the end comes.

    • Island Breeze

      I know, it’s disappointing to see this wicked system continue to go on. I know I’ve grown inpatient, but we need to look at it different. Be thankful for each day of normalcy, because when the four winds are cut loose is going to be HELL.
      “THE four winds” have been held back until the 144,000 of spiritual Israel are sealed and the great crowd is approved for survival. (Revelation 7:1-4, 9) However, before that tempestuous storm breaks over the earth, Jehovah’s adverse judgments against Satan’s world must also be made known!

      • The Raven

        Good point. This relative calm before the storm also allows for more folks to learn about Jehovah and the truth about Christ and the new kingdom. As the world gets worse more people search for answers. We may not be aware of it but scripture tells us to seek these things while we can. It’s hard to see this go on, but the thought that more may be saved makes it worth it.

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        The one who tells the angels to hold the 4 winds of the earth is Jesus. It is Jesus who controls the timing of the great tribulation.

      • Burt Reynolds

        I see a great coming together of events. The polluting of this world cannot
        continue. The population cannot be maintained, the debt cannot be maintained, the endless spin of politicians when set against the reality for the people cannot be maintained, the demand for health and the needs of the poor will not be maintained and though I could go on for pages, I will just say that the lies cannot be supported because of the Internet. Nothing holds water any more and there are no lies left that hold back the damn, that cannot be revealed. All it takes is one more rocket from North Korea, or one land-grab by Russia, an uprising in China, the collapse of the dollar or Euro. The difference between now and 1975, is that such an event is plausible. Back then, the reason for the NON-event was so plausible, given the background of peace and stability in the world, that the simple excuse spun by the liars at the watchtower, of ‘being in the period where Adam named the animals’ was accepted by those who still had hope, if not faith.

        We are now at a time when if Jehovah does not act, nature will, both earthly and in man. And nature belongs to Jehovah, but is not recognised by his name. It’s not unnatural for people to sigh and ask of Jehovah when ‘it’ might be, but what we are really saying is will it come in my life time, do I get a reprieve from death? And I feel just the same, except that the older I get, the less it bothers me and selfish hope gives way to blasé philosophizing because both the hope of eternal life and apparant inevitability of death become a release from this world and allows the hope to survive intact.

        Yes, as Shelley points out, the world can get a whole lot more violent than it is now, but not in real terms in the societies we maintain at present. In order for this to come to fruition and the degree of violence that Shelley describes, the societies on earth must collapse and restraint be lost. Even in war time we have not seen this. If just one major society crashes, the prolitariat or plebeian society world wide will take up the call like falling dominoes, and thus the end will start. At present, society can be controlled. The means are there. The evil that we think we can see or that can become as things stand, is nothing, nothing at all to what will occur when control is lost. And loss of control is but a button push away. Don’t fade off like they did in 1975 people. The gun is loaded, the finger is on the trigger. If we have so little faith that we stumble at the seeming wait, then just as in 1975, Satan wins, people are lost. Waiting is easy. There is rest at the end of it one way or the other and really, who wants to live in this world the way it is? Having faith when waiting seems hopeless or unattainable is just one more little test of our long term, life long, commitment. As the scripture Robert has at the top of his page says…..’Brace yourself, like a man…’

        • The Raven

          I remember those days and being told in 1978 that we were on borrowed time. I also thought it was odd to make that claim based on faulty chronology. I agree we don’t have quite the same in your face predictions givan back then but we don’t need them anymore. The wait does become more difficult for those who must have obvious signs. Those who understand what it really means to be patient and wait on Jehovah regardless what the wt and the world says or does are not so easily swayed or terrified. I am not looking for excitement concerning Jehovah’s day. From all accounts we’re not going to like it even though the catharsis will bring the kingdom. Older ones like us and some who’ve already suffered much have a better appreciation for the potential humanity has for evil. I recall a conversation in which a brother told me he hoped to be gone before it happened. He fought in France during WWII. My main interest in wanting to be here is my family. But I hope I’ve given them enough knowledge and helped reinforce their faith to be able to make it should I not. I have hope that even those who half heartedly listened might benefit later. Until then we keep at it. That’s all we can do. It’s what we were told to do.

          • Max

            Good point Raven. The wait is a test. It basically close the door to those whom have not developed love for Jehovah and His will. We should not do Jehovah’s will to get into the NW but because we love him. The wait it’s indeed very hard sometimes… I myself feel as a foreigner in this system waiting for my liberation from Jehovah.

        • Max

          Wow! Burt well said!

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Either way Satan’s got a gun to our head and he’s not playing Russian roulette because his gun is fully loaded and his intentions are to take down as many with him as possible.

          So whether one is faithful to Jehovah or not he’s still going to suffer however if anyone suffers as a Christian he does have the hope provided he dies faithful to Jehovah.

          Beloved ones, do not be surprised about the fiery trials that you are experiencing, as though something strange were happening to you. On the contrary, go on rejoicing over the extent to which you are sharers in the sufferings of the Christ, so that you may rejoice and be overjoyed also during the revelation of his glory. If you are being reproached for the name of Christ, you are happy, because the spirit of glory, yes, the spirit of God, is resting upon you.
          However, let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or a wrongdoer or a busybody in other people’s matters.But if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not feel ashamed,but let him keep on glorifying God while bearing this name..
          Peter 4:12-16. Read more>
          https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-peter/4/#v60004012-v60004019

          • Burt Reynolds

            It feels at times that the wait is worse than the event. The endurance waiting for the end is so draining. However, the encouraging thing is that for the first time man has the ability to destroy himself, the means to do so, but critically now, has the will to actually do it. This facet has never been with mankind before at this level even a few short years ago. During the Cuban crisis, Russia backed off. They are not going to do that again…..they said so. What encourages me is that Jehovah said he will not delay. Christ reminded us of that. If the world is ready to kill itself, why should Jehovah delay in ‘bringing to ruin, those ruining the earth.’

            • MMW

              Hi, Burt
              I think world isn’t ready to kill itself and never will be. The reason for that is because killing/end of the world means END of Satan – and HE KNOWS that. Like at one time Brother Robert said – that Satan would want to forever continue human’s misery but obviously not the END, but he know the clock is ticking and he can’t stop that. So in his outrage not only he wants to take with him as many as possible people down…but to destroy/ruin the world as much as possible – he know that at this point he has nothing to loose.

            • Burt Reynolds

              In a sense, you are right. The issue though true, is that Satan likes to remain in control, indefinately, but he is not in control of his destiny. Jehovah is the one drawing this system to a close, not Satan, not man. Both will be given up to their own desires. Many men it seems have the same desire as Satan, or have come to live his ways. They too want yo destroy and ruin, and when the inevitable comes, will carry out their ‘scorched earth’ plan….if they cannot have it, no one else will.

            • Flynn Leonard

              satan will be locked away and ultimately be destroyed so his thinking is taking with him as many as possible but he will never prevail against jehova’h our heavenly father. no matter what. his anger and wicked twisted thinking and disobedient ways towards god has sealed his fate.

    • According to the prophecies the beginning of the end comes during a freedom from care, when they are saying “peace and security.”

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      Robert is right. The end is near when 8th king(KON) is put in power. It is he who will say peace and security. The end in not untill the collapse of the Anglo American world power and rise of 8th king and fulfiilment of Dan:11:37 and 13th chapter Rev. I bet yes it is that way. The end is not yet.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      I consider it a token of worse things to come.
      Here’s some interesting thoughts from the book of Peter.

      First of all know this, that in the last days ridiculers will come with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as they were from creation’s beginning.”

      Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. But Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, as you await and keep close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which the heavens will be destroyed in flames and the elements will melt in the intense heat! Peter 3:
      Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/2-peter/3/#v61003011-v61003016

      • Max

        Very good point Kevin! What do you think he meant by ” The heavens will be destroyed in flames and the elements will melt in the intense heat”

        • Bklyn Kevin

          I think he’s talking about the downfall of America when the Angelo American Duo / seven-headed wild beast go down and this all happens when Satan is cast out of heaven.
          Meaning the worldwide political system would have collapse and Anarchy would ensue with war and food shortages and pestilence, pangs of distress so to speak when the apocalyptic Horsemen go on their ride.

          • Max

            In a long shot… Doesn’t that sound like a nuclear detonation?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              There’s about 8 billion people in the world and according to Bible prophecy a quarter of them will perish, that’s 2 billion people
              so yeah I would say there’s definitely going to be the use of nuclear tactical weapons along with food shortages and pestilence and so forth, a combination horrific events that never has occurred.

            • Isaac of Coimbatore

              Oh it seems horrible but it’s true

        • Burt Reynolds

          He meant it was going to be hot for us.

    • Max

      If in 2018 Trump is able to finally unite Rusia, China and the US. Then the peace and security statement might be proclaimed to the nations. In that case 2017 would have been the last normal year I think… Its a scary thought. We have to really prepare our hearts for what is coming.

      • MMW

        Max, what do you mean “unite… ” ? What that include exactly ?

        • Max

          Sorry poor choice of words. I just mean cooperation you know the Silk Road project. That cooperation would go against the wishes of the empire they might really never allowed it to happen which means war.

          • MMW

            thank you, Max

          • Bklyn Kevin

            I thought your wording was just fine and I got the point and in fact I agree with your sentiments.

    • Cathii D’Anthonii

      A lot of bible students are curious as to how The number 40 may play out in prophecy..its repeated many times in The Bible..I’ve proposed this question here.1975 to .2016 was a good guess, ok so moving on…

      • Burt Reynolds

        Well Cathii, clearly it means you first have to be in the truth for forty years, then you subtract 7 years for Nebuchadnezza’s folly, add the customary three and a half years of Christ’s ministry and then add the lost years from 1914 through to 1940 when the time of Christ’s reign was confirmed as being 1914. To ensure that there is an undertermined let-out-clause, you must then subtract….or multiply, or divide by the number of years it took Adam to name the animals. Clearly, the answer comes to October 3rd 2018 at 1pm Greenwich Meridian Time….give or take 10 minutes or so. I don’t see what the problem is in working these things out ‘Watchtower Style’. Of course, Watchtower Style refers to the fact that if I am wrong, it’s your fault, not mine, for over-zealously believing what I told you was absolute truth. Have a happy 2018. Can I come and swab the decks and splice the mainbrace on your yacht….sometime mid summer will be fine. 😇

        • Cathii D’Anthonii

          You may certainly come, Bring the dog…and thanks for that 40 years analogy, got it, and didn’t get a headache from Thinking too hard. HA!!!

  • MMW

    Hi, Kakure Basho

    Nobody should be here a victim at any time, because has a different view on a topic. According to the claim of this site … this site is for exchanging views that is why it says “Join the DISCUSSION” if discusion doesn’t have a different views it’s no longer a discussion. The purpose of a discussion is not to blindly fallow a leader (any leader..) but to explore possiblities for the best answer.

    Our exchanging views should be based on the Scriptures. Any speculations presented as a facts is unscriptural. That is why Jesus said: “exercise patience..”. However Jesus also said “if you see you these things, you know…” so we try to adjust the TIMING with an EVENTS in order to recognize where we are in the stream of time.

    As regards to the resources of the informations personally I am passive abut that. Simply because you can’t rely on human no matter how hard he/she tries (to their best…) and that especially is true with the politics. It is like one time somebody said something like that: ‘… it is like to try to change course of a ship on a stormy water ‘ that comment was applying to Trump in regards to his rolling back Obama’s legacy… it applied to the TIMING (mainly..)

    And so In other words things change unpredictebly. Maybe today an issue looks like obvious but tomorrow we may find ourselves surprised with totally different outcome of a scenerio. That is why the best indeed is to “ exercise patience”. JEHOVAH’S time table is “nobody knows the day and hour” not even Jesus ! And that way if we are ready for UNEXPECTED…as Jesus advised WE ARE PREPARED and so we should be fine.

    • kakure Basho

      Fair enough! ! I can dig that.

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      That’s truly said. Not to be seen many days.

  • MMW

    I was just thinking what might happen if for example Trump would be assassinated or impeached/removed from the Office…. Will/would that be really the solution for the deep state/democrats/opposers? I think we forgot about Mike Pence the Vice President that is the next in line….if Trump would be found in real trouble.

    Just because Trump would be whatever-way removed it doesn’t mean that Democrats automatically taking over the White House and America “ in the open and closed eye-speed “/the same minute become Democratic or so… It simply doesn’t work that way….there are chain of laws, procedures and the Presidential succession for Mike Pence. And I don’t think Pence would be next candidate for removal or assassination.

    I think 2018 is not the Final Stage – there are not right conditions…and America is not ready for a civil war, not yet.
    But we will see the 2018 is around the corner and in a matter of the days…

  • Robert, im not sure if it’s in your book or one of your articles that you once said that wall street is the American branch of British financial oligarchy (the king of the north). Trump is very much a part if the corporate elite in America, and he has proven that there is where his loyalties lie…esp with this new tax cut on the rich. Congressmen that pushed for the tax cuts implied that they were not going to go after social security in order to pay for the subsidies that were just given to the rich in a law that Trump just signed. The very next day, those same people turned around and started talking about social security ‘reform” which is republican speak for cutting social security benefits. The end isn’t going to be initiated with a war, but rather an economic collapse that the king if the north has been engineering for the last several decades, and maybe even over a century. As you well know, the 8th king will rise up from the ashes of that collapse. Trump is just another pawn for the king of the north (as is Hillary and corporate democrats). The problem isn’t Democratic or republican, the problem is the financial oligarchy, which is in control of the corporate elite. Corporate elitists in both sides, the left and the right are the ones bringing about the end, at least the earthly manifestation of the end. There’s a reason Jesus said it’s easier to thread a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom…because money and power are a corrupting force among mankind. Those who are pushing to get money out of politics in an attempt to remove that corrupting force from among those who world authority I think have the right idea, but unfortunately it will not bear fruit, as we know how the drama between the king of the north and the king of the south plays out.

    • The British Crown and the City of London are well aware that Russia and China have set into motion the groundwork of an entirely new financial and economic system based on development. Both nations have been buying gold by the ton for the past several years. China has set up a development bank to rival the World Bank. China also just recently set up an oil and gas buying market that is gold backed, not based on the PetroDollar. Venezuela, which has the largest known oil reserves on the planet, is also moving to drop the dollar and sell oil with gold-backed crypto currency. So, the old monetary system run out of the City of London is doomed.

      What has them terrified is that Trump is going to align with Russia and China in the development of the New Silk Road, which, if fully adopted, would also lead to the setting up of a new financial architecture. The British are determined to prevent the US from doing that. War, assassination, terror, whatever it takes.

      • Island Breeze

        We definitely are on borrowed time…..

        • Burt Reynolds

          I know we are on ‘borrowed’ time. I’m deeply in debt!

  • Ms M

    April 2018 watchtower questions from readers… apparently Jws aren’t allowed to now post / share articles – publications on personal website and social media

    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2018/publications-personal-websites/

    • Island Breeze

      Wow, looks like they found a new way to collect money. We all know that they LOVE money! So now they can use their lawyers to sue anyone from using their copyrighted material . They even quote a few scriptures………. hahaha hahaha

      • The Raven

        Well looks like we can’t even post a link to their site for anything even here.

        As is clearly stated in those Terms, no one is permitted to “post artwork, electronic publications, trademarks, music, photos, videos, or articles from this website on the Internet (any website, file-sharing site, video-sharing site, or social network).

        • Island Breeze

          There probably assembling a team of blood sucking lawyers to go after people.

          • The Raven

            I read the terms but I’m not certain how this works. There are facebook pages people share as well. I’m wondering if links are allowed since a lot of folks post them.

            • Burt Reynolds

              We don’t need to post any of their own works anyway. All we have to do is tell the truth. They can’t do anything about that, not even sue, because that will expose them even more. They know they cannot afford to loose! What a load of tripe it is anyway on their behalf. They condemn themselves because the word of Jehovah is free and freely given and here they are trying to stop people from repeating what THEY say themselves is the word of God! The huge gaping hole in their arguement is that they say this in their own literature. If the word is free, and talked about by them on every doorstep, how can they object to it being passed on freely. They recruit for that very reason. And it is not wrong to argue about the truth, because that in itself, defines truth and tests it. They suggest that we all discuss the truth, do they not, and quote the Boreans ? They don’t own the word of God so they can not copyright it. They claim to be Gods only channel. Is his direct word not free also then? I would quite welcome a day in Court with them, but I doubt I will get it as I’m not worth sueing. Not much in assets apart from a second hand car….and it’s yellow!

            • The Raven

              I think it’s safe to post a link but not the actual articles. I’ve used their literature for some matters of truth and continue to do so when Robert posts essays countering their views but I scrutinize them before I use them myself. I agree this was a bad move on their part. I also think it was foolish to stop printing the yearbook (hard for them to explain so many emblem partakers 🙂 But it looks like they are in fact circling their wagons since they’ve gotten themselves in a corner on many issues. Once again prophecy proves out their actions. No need to marvel at how low this can go. You bring up a very good point about the truth not being owned and yes, they have always given this freely… until now.

          • Burt Reynolds

            They can’t assemble whole-blood sucking lawyers Joseph. At best they will only be able to do a ‘fraction’ of the work.

            • Cathii D’Anthonii

              That’s funny, ‘fractions’..HA

      • Ms M

        Not only this, but when you read the publication there is absolutely no mention of Jesus at all, they’ve shoved him aside and put themselves in his place, no praise honour to Jesus as head of the congregation and our lord and master, they’ve elevated themselves and brought much attention to themselves wielding much power and authority over Christ’s sheep and interested ones, and put their publications as superseding over God’s infallible and inspired word the holy scriptures
        Now if this isnt anti christ I dont know what is?

        ” By directing interested people to our official websites, we are connecting them with the one true source of spiritual food, “the faithful and discreet slave.”

    • Jamie Mac

      I wonder why they discourage online debating. They mention bringing reproach upon Jehovah’s name, or would it be they are more concerned about bringing reproach on the GB’s name.

      • Burt Reynolds

        If you read the article it says that one if the reasons they do not want us to down load JW material from other sites, is because it may contain messages of politics…….just as they did in our ‘spiritual food’ magazines for ten years as lackeys of the United Nations. What hypocrites they are! Of course, we know the real reason behind all this is simply to stop other sites exposing their lies.

        • Jamie Mac

          WELL BURT, THEY AINT WINNING BECAUSE HERE I AM REPLYING TO YOU FROM A WONDEFUL SITE THAT DOES NOT SHY AWAY FROM EXpOSING THEIR LIES. IS THAT LOUD ENOUGH 🙂

          For those of you wondering why I used uppercase, Burt and I are a little hard of hearing so we agreed to type a little louder . Oh yeah

          • Burt Reynolds

            YES THANKS. ITS THURSDAY. SORRY TO HEAR YOUR HORSE IS NOT WINNING BECAUSE OF THE TERRIBLE BLITE AND THE FLIES.

            • The Raven

              Hahaha! Oh man! The possibilities are endless!

      • Ms M

        I think they are more concerned about bringing reproach on the GB’s name

        • Burt Reynolds

          That is that is it in a nutshell. I recall a family hiding themselves away for three weeks because thier daughter picked up head lice, or ‘cooties’ I think they are called in America. They were afraid of what might happen to them if they ‘brought reproach on jehovahs name.’ Literally afraid. Sad.

      • Cathii D’Anthonii

        Reproach on Jehovah’s name is always the answer…You read the Bible from cover to cover , and where does it say that Jehovah can’t take care of himself and reproach of His name? He didn’t worry about it when Israel was destroyed or when Jerusalem was destroyed..

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    Hey Hey Wait here is one spicy thing I got late in commenting as I am in Holidays and touring

    As you all know that I am in vacation and travelling nearly 600KMs on train. In my vacation I happened to be in Bangalore so I attended the Thursday English meeting. Here they were discussing about faithfulness in marriage in Malachi.
    Finally as you know they asked:
    What other spiritual gems have you discovered in this week’s Bible reading?

    I raised my hand and the conductor asked me because I am a guest.I Said I like to comment on Mal:3:3: The very core point:
    The messenger of the covenant will come means: When Jesus comes who of us can endure his day?
    Because just as how a laundry man cleans the clothes with his lye he will clean and just as how a gold and silver smith purifies the gold and silver by putting it in fire he will purity Whom he will clean and purify? Sons of Leʹvi!! Who are the sons of Levi today?

    Sons of Levi are Christendom leaders because they worship Satan but the one who takes the lead of the whole world wide Christian congregation are sons of Levi. So Jesus will put the faithful and discreet salve and the anointed ones under the lye and fire of persecution during the time of the KON when Dan:11:44-45 and Rev:13 chapter happens this incident will fulfill.

    They concluded the Digging for Spiritual Gems meeting with my answer as the last answer.

    After the meeting many gave shake hands as I was also an old member of that congregation
    before we went to North Karnataka and later Coimbatore. There were 130 for mid week meetings.

    One brother has already fallen in the trap. He said he want to discuss with me because he found contradictory with WTS. He said he talked with CO regarding certain things but did not get the proper answer. I asked what?
    Right away he said King of North. I asked how brother you ask directly about KON with me? Brother in your answer you said that Jesus will allow the faithful and discreet salve and the anointed ones under the fire of persecution during the time of the KON.

    So he asked who will be the KON? I said because you are interested give me your mail I will send you an article.
    With that we went at 9:15 P M to our relatives house where we stay and today Sat 8:30:P M we are leaving for Coimbatore by Sleeper Class Electric train and will reach by Sunday Morning 3:20 A M.

    There is one more information I may be migrating from Coimbatore and settling in Bangalore if I take Masters degree if possible even PhD based on my Bachelors. I want to prove to the WTS that I am convinced that neither higher education nor theory of evolution, neither master degree nor PhD (philosophies of men) will be able to separate me from Jehovah’s love that is in Christ Jesus my Lord. ( Romans: 8:38-39).

    • into the light

      May Jehovah continue to lead you with spirit of truth and give you blessings for your courage! Your stories are really encouraging.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Something ‘spicy’ …..in India? Surely not!

  • Jamie Mac

    Talking of Donald Trump. Check this out, it made me laugh and laugh and laugh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gneBUA39mnI

  • MMW

    Hi Burt,
    Sorry, to kept you waiting. I share the computer with another person and don’t have always right away access to it.

    …but no, I never had a chance to read that diaries.. Each country has its own WW2 survival story and especially Jews living at that time.

    I suspect Jehovah Witnesses who were also in concentration camps at that time many of them died horrible way. It is no exageration to say that a death was their salvation. And what counted was the Endurance – physical, meantal but most the Spiritual. This was for them the true test of Loyalty. They had no much chances for survival – they truly had to either rely on JEHOVAH or betray HIM for own survival. If you go on Yahoo and type the fraze: Jews concentration camps pictures images – then you will see never ending horrible pictures and stories of their survival. Or Jews surival outside the concentration camps during German’s occupation.

    I watched a lot of documentaries/programs about Jews after the WW2 as well as I spoke with them and associated with them. They don’t seem to appreciate JEHOVAH. There is a lot of bitterness and expressions like “where is HE now….where is HE ”..wondering.. – the expressions are in a forms of scepticism, anger andbitterness about HIM. These who are still religious most of them are stuck on Mosaic Law – they refuse Christ. They claim Abraham is their Father..

    .. and from the various documentary stories I saw the ‘ Will of Survival’ mostly belong to a worldly people. Their “endurance” is not in the spiritual sense. On the other hand Jwitnesse’s Endurance is based on Trust in JEHOVAH. I wonder if some of JWitnesses in concentratiton camps due to their Loyalty to the very end of their lives became annointed ones.. what do you think ?

    • Burt Reynolds

      Thanks for that, MMW. Interesting. I don’t know if any of the witnesses who lost their lives in the death camps would be rewarded so to speak with anointing. It would be nice to think that some may have been, but sacrifice of ones life is not honoured as far as I understand with ‘promotion’. I don’t know if the Jews or witnesses would have had any chance of survival for recanting their faith and thus tested by such. The nazis tended to kill such for who they were, rather than their faith, the same with homosexuals and Gypsies were killed for their lifestyle, and so I’m not sure that recanting such would have gained a reprieve. A sort of racism. Doesn’t matter what you do, it’s who you are. Maybe someone will know better.

  • Burt Reynolds

    Have a good new year all you guys. From the land of Oz, Israel, Russia North and South America and England…..or EGGLAND as I call it, and all you who watch and lurk silently in the background. May Jehovah bless and keep you all safe and full of faith next year. Let’s hope the cookie crumbles and we get to see our saviour Jesus soon! Don’t let the wait discourage you. We have the truth of the bible.

    • The Raven

      Cheers, Burt and to everyone who haunts this site as well! Robert, thanks for all you do!

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      Good that’s a nice encouragement!!!

      But Look Daniel the prophet asked: O my lord, what will be the outcome of these things?

      The answer was:“Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end………… “But as for you, go on to the end.

      Did Daniel lose faith in Jehovah because he came to know that the end will not come in his days?

      No Daniel was assured by Jehovah himself: You will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days.”

      Did you all get a point? When the end will come? WTS says very soon!!!

      But When Daniel asked, Jehovah did not say very soon but he said you will die. Jehovah said thre truth.

      Similarly in field service if a person asks when end will come don’t say very soon. End will not come until Dan:11:37 and Rev:13 chapters are fulfilled.
      I have made an article titled WHY IT IS UNWISE TO SAY THAT END WILL COME VERY SOON?

      Therefore I say that even though if the end doesn’t come or Jesus’ parousia doesn’t happen in my days I will not be discouraged and loose faith in Jehovah as one of the pioneer sisters in an congregation in Bangalore lost faith in Jehovah because Jesus did not come in 1975 as predicted by WTS which is a false prophecy hence Jezebel of Revelation.

      May Jehovah bless and keep you all safe and full of faith next year.

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    ANYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHY JAN1ST IS NOT THE NEW YEAR OTHER THAN THE EXPLANATION OF WTS? Here I have better than WTS: Contact easajw@gmail.com. Explained Biblically.

    • Burt Reynolds

      I don’t think they had a Gregorian calendar in those days Isaac. If you think about it, every day starts a new year because time is relative to the observer. (Explained Creatively).

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        You said:If you think about it, every day starts a new year because time is relative to the observer.
        But you see it is not relative to the observer: The nature itself tells that January in not the New Year. You observe all the months of the year , it is only between March and April that all the leaves in the trees are shed and new leaves sprouts up again which means the nature itself is speaking without the word that it is New year.

        Again you may argue see again in India: Old leaves in the trees are shed and new leaves sprouts up again is relative to observer. If that is the case why is that then Jehovah also said the same month Nissan to be the first month of the year (Exodus: 12:2; 13:4), which Hindus also celebrate the same day and date as Ugadi (Hindu New Year’s day)? Is Jehovah’s saying is relative to his observance? Even if it is so is Jehovah’s observance not correct? That is what all abut New year’s day I wrote as I am well aware that they did not had a Gregorian calendar in those days.

        Britain adopted the Gregorian calendar on March 25, 1752. The Gregorian calendar is actually refined and derived from the earlier Julian calendar which was a Roman Calendar. That is why the present day English Calendar has Roman names. Since the Gregorian calendar was the work of a Roman catholic Pope Gregory XIII proposed by Aloysius Lilius an Italian doctor. Hence this calendar is also falsely claimed as Christian Calendar. But the truth is there is no relationship between the Rome, Roman Emperor, and Roman calendar with that of Christianity, because the Romans who were originally pagans and barbarians later converted into Christians after their Emperor named Constantine the Great converted into Christian at the age of 42 in 314 A.D.

        Even the original Roman calendar did not have Jan as the first month of the year.
        September = Septa in Latin means Seven (7)
        October = Octo in Latin means Eight (8)
        November = Novem in Latin means nine (9)
        December= Decem in Latin means Ten (10)
        Then think what should be the January?
        January should be 11th month
        Then what about February ?
        February should be 12th month
        And finally March will be the 1st month as confirmed in Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March
        Hindus festival Ugadi is based of biblical calendar because many of the Hindu rituals and observance are derived from the Bible and applied to demons and many people don’t know this even among Indian JWS as JWs are dis fellowshiped if they research anything on another religion. Some how I did and they know that still they keep quite.

        • Burt Reynolds

          It is certainly true that a new year is observed by all, however, seasons do not dictate a ‘new’ year, because each are as necessary as the preceding one. It is a continuum. You are supposed to be a good seven hours in front of me, but we are both aging at the same speed and we are in the same second are we not? The earth is simply pointing in a different direction for me, but the earth itself is static in time, relative to us.

          Jehovah created a measure of time for us through his laws, and for the benefit of man who is confined mentally by time, this was marked by Him, for His reasons (prophesy) and for ours, continuity. Each new season marks a stage, a time in devolpment or a point in life cycles which are measured in time. You could ask yourself if Jehovah, the creator or time, or more precisely, He who causes (time) to become, is confined by such. Time is a continuum which according to the bible, Jehovah lives outside of, giving mankind the enduring conumdrum of how he has no beginning and no end. Thus Jehovah marks for us in his creation, periods that we can relate to. Even then, prior to the flood, it is doubtful that seasons were experienced as they are now and certainly planting could have taken place at any time putting an end to the autumnal glut and wastage. And without any Calander, were seasons and days necessary to be marked other than though the need for maturation? Perhaps not because The position of the sun did this for us, and if you are living for eternity, what difference does a day make? High Noon, existed before watches. Britain used to start its new year on the 25th March up until 1652 when the gregorian Calander began to take over from the Julian, of which was more in line with the biblical dating. Regardless, such events are critically within time, and not of time.

          Our Earthly measurement of time becomes pointless if speed is added into the equation as time goes slower the faster we travel. Thus the person who is travelling at light speed would experience time significantly slower than a stationary person. Thus the start of the year, would indeed be different for each within Jehovah’s laws. Thus you can see that beginnings and ends are events within time and not that time is the causal root of them. The only reason that the start of the year is similar to us all, is that we are in the same place. Time continues at light speed in the direction of light. We just have our being within it at this earth point. Relatively. Merry Continuum. Your turn!

          • Isaac of Coimbatore

            You said: Your turn!
            Your Continuum concept could have not understood by ancients. It is only after Albert Einstein formula EMC2 Continuum thinking comes into picture. Jehovah directed based on the things relative to observer and that was what even Hindus copied.

            So I ask!! Are you indirectly telling that it is okay for JWs to celebrate Jan 1st as the new year? If in future if any MOL of GB gives permission to celebrated New year you say it will be okay because it is continuum? I think so your way of reasoning may even trigger someone to say that it is okay to celebrate New year based on Continuum concept as it is no sin than committing a Child abuse which the WTS says okay by protecting the culprit.

            As for me even if the WTS says that New year is okay in near future because of Continuum concept, I will still stick to what pleases Jehovah not what is directed by Pharisees of WTS or Continuum concept.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I think you misunderstand me Isaac. Your original arguement was that January 1st was not the biblical new year and that Nisan is. That’s fine. I do not have any arguement about what the bible says. I don’t know of any witness that celebrates new year. As far as I am concerned, I would wish anyone a new year in the same light that I would wish anyone a happy day or a good morning. I think it’s a trifle overboard to suggest that such thinking is akin to agreeing with the watchtower policy on child abuse. Where you get that connection from I don’t know!

              I was simply replying to your challenge about the ‘correct’ new years day being as suggested in the bible. Personally, I have no regard for any public holiday be it Christmas Easter or New Year’s Day. The fact remains though that measuring time as it stands is purely a human activity we are subjugated to, and of regulating events. Time is actually more fluid than that. Thus I was simply playing on your theme because in practice there is no ‘new year’ in terms of time, and that is all I was saying. However, there are cycles, but often these can be taken from a point of convenience the same as new year. They happen regardless.

              The further one gets from Earth, the slower time is experienced by man. That is actually fact. Thus with the aid of the Hubble telescope, we can look back seemingly billions of (light) years. Thus we can actually see past events that happened then. If you move closer to that event, you actually shorten the time from that event, and thus time is relative to the observer. This is why I was suggesting that the new year, biblical or not, is not set in stone. I would not think that Jehovah celebrates any new year. He has no beginning or end, thus exists outside of time.

              Time is part of Jehovah’s creation. The fact that it is not as it seems, is as facinating as His physical creations here on earth. It is something to rejoice over in terms of discovery and love of the creator. Theoretically, if the universe goes on expanding at the rate it is, there will come a ‘time’ where we cannot see the past! The relativity I refer to is concerning where a person is, in relation to another person or point of reference and not a common understanding. So please don’t worry about it. I’m sure the new year and when it will or will not be, is the least of our worries right now, and I don’t think that anything here will suggest that studying Jehovah’s creation will be equated with child abuse! Have a nice day!

            • Isaac of Coimbatore

              Yeah that’s it. Jehovah exists outside of time is correct!! Thanks a lot brother.

            • Jamie Mac

              Well said Prof 🙂

  • kakure Basho

    I was going to ask this as a general question for anyone to chime in here and answer, so I’m going to still ask for all to participate but this question is mainly to king. Sooo Robert , notice anything missing in this article that is pertinent to consider in the vetting of Donald Trump’s competency to make critical decisions surrounding the fate of the United States?
    Hint: it wasn’t mentioned once, but it’s only two words long.

    • If you want to ask a question, just ask it. I am not going to play a silly quiz game.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Yes! Basho! I think I’ve got it! I was up all night wracking my brains for it, but Jehovah gave me a flash of inspiration and now I really I think I’ve got it Basho! It’s got to be Donald Duck! It stands to reason. The one thing Robert would not think about in his dialogue and that is two words long would be Donald Duck. Easy…..give me another one.

      • kakure Basho

        Lmao cute but not what I was looking for. But I hope you don’t mind if I use that one do ya! Lol

    • Jamie Mac

      Mental Instability ????

      • kakure Basho

        Well that is definitely the psychological diagnosis given to him by expert psychologists . But no that wasn’t it. I agree with you though

    • Island Breeze

      Jack Ass = Trump

      • kakure Basho

        Geeez dude lol! I mean ya he really is a s#$t show. But no that’s not it. Hahahaha goodness

        • Bye

          • Burt Reynolds

            We shall never know now, but if If wasn’t Donald Duck then it must have been Micky Mouse…..but we will never know for sure. 🙁

            • Jamie Mac

              Which one of us is going to lose sleep over the matter !!!!!!!!!!!!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Well me, actually. Those two words probably held the key to the entire unfolding of the prophesy of Revelation and now we shall never know. I have written to Watchtower Studios (Disney Studio is shut on a Saturday), asking ‘What Would Donald Duck Do?’, and expect a reply sometime this afternoon as a matter of urgency. I’m waiting now as I write. I’ll let you know.

  • Island Breeze

    Here’s what the New Year may bring…

    https://youtu.be/mf6RLRhYZvc

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    TO BROTHER ROBERT KING
    AND TO ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS

    HEY LOOK HEY LOOK What’s happening here in India. As I mentioned that when I went to Bangalore in a congregation I met one brother who had already fallen in the trap as he said he want to discuss with me because he found contradictory with WTS. He took my email address and contacted me Oh here I did know here we have plenty of brother from Chennai zone who are having lot of doubts and are awakening what is really happening inside the WTS. Now to this brother I opened the eyes he was asking why this generation was changed? Why they said that in 1975 destruction will come and nothing happened? They change Gog and Magog Why? Why? all these? I gave all the answers by taking the references from e-watchman, but yet I did not reveal this site as it has to be taken many days until I must satisfy that this man is really interested in truth or he a society man. While discussing there came a word the man of Lawlessness and he said about Christendom and some KBJ cheated Jehovah’s witnesses. Then he called via phone and I explained him who the man of lawlessness is by referring him to 2nd Thes. 2nd chapter. Hey it opened his eyes. He said are you referring to GB. I said not all apostles of Jesus were evil but except one that was Judas so is not all members of GB are MOL but some are. He was shocked and said no one explained the scriptures in this way.
    Then the conversation went through phone and by mail and finally I could convince him by referring: Isaiah: 42:19: Who is blind?!

    I showed why we should not fear GB: Duet:18:20-22
    Then I show how Jehovah considers GB: Isaiah:29:4
    What will you do when end comes if you keep on believing GB: Jer:5:28-31
    Why you should not believe and give Godly reverence to organization;Jer:7:4
    Next we are going to speak about the which is holy place.

    Brother ROBERT if this becomes fruitful then I will surely advertise your website in Chennai central railway station build by British in 1870 which is most busiest (350,000/day) and oldest by paying a small cost to the Chennai Municipal Corporation.

    • That’s amazing. Thanks for the update, Isaac.

    • i dont tell about the website either unless they are for sure completely responding wanting to know the truth. none so far

    • Burt Reynolds

      Good for you Isaac. You sound like one of the apostles sent out to find the sheep as you trundle around India. It’s really good of you to pay for advertising the site in the station. Thanks.

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