By all means, take refuge in Jehovah

//By all means, take refuge in Jehovah

Friday, January 27

Your people will be my people, and your God my God.Ruth 1:16.

Note Ruth’s love for Jehovah. The landowner Boaz later praised Ruth for seeking refuge under Jehovah’s wings. That may remind us of a baby bird taking refuge under the wings of a powerful, protective parent. Jehovah became such a parent to Ruth. He rewarded her for her faith, and she never had any reason to regret her decision. Today, many learn about Jehovah but hesitate to take refuge in him. They hold back from becoming his dedicated, baptized servants. If you hesitate to make a dedication to Jehovah, have you stopped to ask yourself why? Everyone alive serves some god or other.  Why not take refuge in the only God worth serving? Making a dedication to Jehovah is an excellent way to demonstrate faith in him. He will help you live up to that decision and face whatever challenges may arise. That is what God did for Ruth.


A growing number of persons who have studied with Jehovah’s Witnesses have asked themselves why they have not gotten baptized. And they have answered it. For many, the answer is that they cannot in good conscience dedicate themselves to the Watchtower. For them, taking refuge in Jehovah is not a problem. They do trust God. It is dedicating themselves to the Watchtower that is objectionable.

And if anyone thinks that is not a legitimate reason why some hesitate to get baptized, why is it the Watchtower requires every person who undergoes baptism to confess that they not only recognize themselves as sinners, but that their undergoing baptism brings them under authority of “God’s spirit directed organization”? Many of us certainly find it unacceptable that the Watchtower has presumptuously inserted itself into the sacred baptismal vow to God. And we expect that the men you are the promoters of this sort of insidious idolatry will at some point be made to answer for their error.

Unfortunately the worship of the organization does not end there. That is just the beginning. Many who refuse to commit to becoming officially accepted Jehovah’s Witnesses are disgusted with the disgraceful way the Watchtower has persecuted the victims of child abuse and coddled and protected the abusers. They are sickened by Bethel’s double-talk and hypocrisy. For example, for years the Watchtower arrogantly denied that there was even a problem. They simply disfellowshipped any JW who said otherwise. They claim opposers and apostates are stirring up trouble. Some Governing Body fellows have called child abuse victims liars.

But reportedly, the Watchtower’s lawyers have recently implemented a policy where the elders are notified that a known pedophile is in their midst. The elders are then required to discreetly notify the parents of minor children that brother so-and-so is a child abuser. (Those without children are not notified) Then the elders sign a statement declaring that the parents have been warned. This is obviously done to protect Bethel from future litigation, not to protect children. Of course, congregations that do not have known pedophiles have no clue the Watchtower has quietly implemented this policy. They are still under the delusion that it is all apostate lies. But as the Scriptures say, there is nothing done in the darkness that will not come to light. And Bethel’s wickedness is coming to light.

Still, others cannot in good conscience become baptized because they do not believe that Christ began ruling the world in 1914. Many tens of thousands have read information presented on this site and in the book Jehovah Himself Has Become King and they are fully convinced that the Watchtower is the source of the deluding influence Paul foretold. Naturally, it is hard for them to support an organization that is responsible for promoting one of the biggest hoaxes that has ever been perpetrated on a trusting people.

Even at that, some lovers of Jehovah are willing to be baptized, except the elders are tasked by Bethel with making sure that anyone who does not accept the 1914 rigamarole is not allowed to formally dedicate themselves to God and Christ. So, it is not that such God-fearing persons are not willing, the responsibility for their being denied the opportunity lies with the Governing Body and the elders for erecting barriers that have nothing to do with serving Christ, but only with maintaining a lie. It is their tyranny that prevents people from being baptized. Most assuredly, that is why James warned that teachers will receive a heavier judgment.

On a personal note, a few months ago a couple of elders stopped by to make their annual shepherding call on disfellowshipped persons. The elders know me from attending meetings, but they do not know the reason for my being disfellowshipped.

The one elder, whom I will say is a very knowledgeable and imposing brother with quite a presence, asked me pointedly if I had repented of the sin for which I was disfellowshipped. I said, “Well, honestly, I’d have to say no.” He asked why. I said that I was disfellowshipped for having publicly accused the Watchtower of apostasy and I was unrepentant.

I went on to explain my work and presence on the Internet these past 15 years. The elder simply could not accept that anyone could be true to God and defy the Watchtower. I offered him the example of David, who although anointed by God was an outcast and lived as a fugitive, ostracized from Israel because of the maddened tyranny of king Saul; yet, David continued to fight Israel’s battles. He countered and said, ‘Yes, but David was in contact with the high priest.’ My reply that I was in contact with the High Priest too was met with a disapproving sneer; because, in the minds of Jehovah’s Witnesses it is not possible nor necessary to take refuge in Jehovah outside the confines of “God’s spirit-directed” Watchtower. 

Like one of Job’s false comforters, the elder went on to deride me for having allowed the Devil to defeat me. I responded that such was definitely not the case. 

The fact is, it is easy to take refuge in Jehovah within the congregation. The real test of faith is relying on God when isolated and abandoned. Although the Watchtower has stumbled untold multitudes of Jehovah’s Witnesses and interested persons, thankfully some have taken refuge in Jehovah apart from the Watchtower. It is our hope that Jehovah’s Witnesses will have the faith going forward, when it becomes painfully obvious the Watchtower has misled you. Then Jehovah will be the only refuge. And that is how it should be.

“In you, O Jehovah, I have taken refuge. May I never be put to shame. Rescue me because of your righteousness. Incline your ear to me. Come quickly to my rescue. Become for me a mountain stronghold, a fortified place to save me. For you are my crag and my stronghold; for the sake of your name, you will lead me and guide me. You will free me from the net that they have secretly laid for me, for you are my fortress. Into your hand I entrust my spirit. You have redeemed me, O Jehovah, the God of truth. I hate those who are devoted to worthless, vain idols, but as for me, I trust in Jehovah. I will rejoice greatly in your loyal love, for you have seen my affliction; you are aware of my deep distress. You have not handed me over to the enemy, but you make me stand in a place of safety.”

– Psalms 31

2017-01-27T15:56:20+00:00 January 27th, 2017|Commentary|59 Comments
  • Patrick Langat

    The other reasons for not getting baptised for interested ones are fear of sanctions or being disowned by family or friends; fear of being disfellowshiped in case of slipping into sin; and wanting to still enjoy the goodies of this world.

  • Peaceful Waters

    Just Perfect… Thank you brother King for eloquently being able to sum it up like that. Brilliant.

  • e.v.g

    Jehovah is God from all the universe, if he is only God from the watchtower makes me feel that he is powerless.

  • “Even at that, some lovers of Jehovah are willing to be baptized, except the elders are tasked by Bethel with making sure that anyone who does not accept the 1914 rigamarole is not allowed to formally dedicate themselves to God and Christ.”

    that is something that angers me

  • the scripture at the end is holy, sacred and intimate. very fitting conclusion

    • Andres Felipe

      De cuando en vez algún hermano habla conmigo con el fin de animarme a volver a las reuniones , me dicen que no me aleje de jehova. Esto no lo soporto y les digo que yo estoy mejor que nunca con jehova, que he aprendido mucho de él en este último año .y les digo que ya no soporto poner a la watchtower al mismo nivel de jehova ;blasfemia !!! Como me gustaría ayudar por lo menos a uno

  • “contact with the High Priest too”; hello, anointed.
    its those elders who as allowed the devil to defeat them! not you!

    “Like one of Job’s false comforters”
    i get so sick of that i hate it!

    “isolated and abandoned”
    i know and im sorry im such a mess Jehovah 🙁

    “Jehovah will be the only refuge. And that is how it should be”!!!

    Heb 13:13

  • 1914for100Alex

    I have to admit I’ve been curious as to how things were going for you at the meetings. The main reason being that I had assumed, given your Internet presence, that they had to know who you were. I honestly pictured you sitting there with people avoiding you, but hopefully that hasn’t been the case. I hope you’ve made some friends and they’ll be willing to listen. If I didn’t know any better, I’d like to imagine that they would just turn the stage over to you, but we know that’s not very likely. You set a great example for the rest of us by doing what you do despite the problems that can arise, up to and including being disfellowshipped.

    • ewatchman

      People do avoid me. When I first started going to that congregation I let people know I was DF’ed. But they didn’t know why. If anyone does recognize me from YouTube or this site I doubt they would let it be known, since they would be admitting that they have been to the forbidden zone.

      • Please8834

        Robert if i were to see you at a hall or an assembly, why i would walk right up up to in front of everyone and extend my hand, introduce myself and openly thank you for opening my eyes and i would dare anyone present to try and correct me. Robert the time will come when the you have done along with living on the fringes of the almighty WT will be on display as either the truth or a lie,. For the most i believe it will stand up as truth my brother.

        • Joel

          Well said Rev. Very heartfelt; I agree totally.

      • Andres Felipe

        Eres un verdadero hombre de Dios. Jehova te guarde y bendiga todos los días de tu vida hasta que recibas tu recompensa junto a tus hermanos gustaría seguir tu ejemplo pero no tengo las fuerzas todavía; sigue con fuerza y ánimo. Desde Colombia con mucho amor

  • Andres Felipe

    La verdad no he llegado al punto de usted hermano, reunirme ya no es refrescante para mí, el simple hecho de escuchar que cristo empezó a reinar en 1914 me enoja mucho, y no logro soportarlo por ahora. Te sucede lo mismo que el profeta amós en su momento

  • Christian Obadiah

    Woe to those who idolize the Watchtower and revere the Faithful and Discrete Slave. Happy is the one who takes refuge in Jehovah God himself – the true God.

  • Victor Field

    For anyone still attending the meetings,,
    I am enquiring what the dates are for the Dedication of Warwick,,
    Oct 2017 was given to me,,is this correct?

    • ewatchman

      I have not heard anything. Maybe they’ll try and synch it up with the Annual Meeting.

      • Anonymous

        Hi Robert. A few days i cannot translate internally yours articles to spanish. For example:

        • ewatchman

          Thanks for pointing that out. A few days ago I started using a CDN, a content delivery network, in order to speed up the load time for the site. However, I forgot to change the DNS for the translation site. As soon as I can figure out how to do that I will. Muchas gracias, amigo/a

      • Anderiega

        Yep….that’s what I watched on a recent broadcast….it’ll be broadcast to all USA and Canadian congregations annual meeting weekend 2017

  • Apple Pi

    I have wondered if the baptizing work being done by the Bible Students, and now Jehovah’s Witnesses, is comparable to the baptizing work that John the Baptizer did prior to Jesus coming on the scene, and that when the real anointed are identified when Jehovah pours out his holy spirit on them, will there be mass baptisms, like after Jesus was baptized?

    • Bklyn Kevin

      More food for thought.

      Matthew 3:11-12
      I, for my part, baptize YOU with water because of YOUR repentance; but the one coming after me is stronger than I am, whose sandals I am not fit to take off. That one will baptize YOU people with holy spirit and with fire. His winnowing shovel is in his hand, and he will completely clean up his threshing floor, and will (gather his wheat) into the storehouse, but the chaff he will burn up with fire that cannot be put out.”

      Then who really is we’ll be appointed.

      Matthew 24: 45-47
      “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings.

      Excerpt from The Day of Jehovah Is Near!.
      Read more

      After the fiery purge the faithful will experience a dousing by the Holy Spirit not experienced since the original outpouring of spirit on the day of Pentecost. The 2nd chapter of Joel foretells that
      both the anointed (sons and daughters) and non-anointed (menservants and maidservants) will receive the full measure of God’s holy spirit
      in order to accomplish the final phase of God’s work in the post- Watchtower period of the tribulation. Joel 2:28-29 foretells: “And after that it must occur that I shall pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will certainly prophesy. As for your old men, dreams they will dream. As for your young men, visions they will see. And even on the menservants and on the maidservants in those days I shall pour out my spirit.”

      However, unlike the day of Pentecost when holy spirit begot the first sons of the kingdom, the outpouring of the holy spirit upon the sons and daughters during the day of Jehovah does not anoint them. That is because they will have already been anointed. The ultimate fulfillment of the prophecy has to do with the body of Christ becoming fully accepted into the kingdom, so that at that point, during the world’s darkest period, the chosen ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their heavenly Father. That event will mark the long- anticipated revealing of the sons of God.

      The prophesying inspired by that outpouring of spirit will no doubt have to do with heralding the authentic establishment of the kingdom – not in the manner that Jehovah’s Witnesses presently preach, but with spirit and power.

      The “visions they will see” will be the first-ever accurate understanding of the prophetic visions recorded in the Bible. But instead of offering the hope of salvation to the nations, Jehovah’s true witnesses will then “shout a war cry” – announcing to the nations that they must meet Jehovah “in the low plain of the decision, for the day of Jehovah is near in the low plain of the decision.” – Joel 3:14.

      Also read
      I Will Pour Out My Spirit on Every Sort of Flesh.

      • Apple Pi

        “The “visions they will see” will be the first-ever accurate understanding of the prophetic visions recorded in the Bible.” That’s going to be an exciting time!

  • True Witness

    Hello ? brothers and sisters here on this site. I allways read comments on daily text. I also have problem to attend meeting . I love to hear about Jehovah and Bible. But I hate when people made themselves an idol and worship it. WT became such idol. Everyone arround in congregation is blind spiritually. They blindly repeat what WT is saying and they are like other blind religions. Nowhere to go. Like spiritual zombies they sit and listen to nonsense about 1914 and more. Last meeting I have talked about Isaiah chapter 42 verse 19. WT avoided explanations about this verse just like it avoid Isaiah 29 verse 4. Brothers liked my comments. But they did not realize that I talked about today situation in WT. Do not be spiritual zombies. Think about every word in Bible. And I know You do it here.

    Blessings from Jehovah to you all.

    • Andres Felipe

      Te felicito eres valiente. Yo no he podido volver a las reuniones; sabes algo que me molesta mucho ? Es que ahora casi todo el material de las reuniones es enviado por la watchtower. No hay campo para pensar como antes.

  • Burt Reynolds

    I find the daily text rather reassuring in an obtuse way. It reaffirms in me the vacuous approach of the watchtower ….’everyone alive worships some god…’ Followed up by an oblique suggestion, ‘so you may as well follow ours…’ One would make the assumption that if, as they say, (serve) ‘the only God worth saving…’ they would offer some evidence as to why that may be. As it is, as with nearly all things watchtower, we are expected to simply take their word for it. Just as with the elder who visited Robert, he was there to argue, to prove himself right. How do I know? If he was there for the right reason, it would be out of love, not a mission thrust on him by the watchtower, once a year . Discussion would be by interest, not opinion, through searching, not repeating by rote, by consideration, not hard rigidity. ‘1914 is a lie!’ ‘Really? What makes you say that? Give me your reason. Let me see for myself…’ But no. It is not that way at all. It is simply ‘believe in my God or die’. And that is the reason I left, faded, drifted off in my rowing boat, because they have nothing in the way of sustinence, other than a plateful of obligation to men. ‘ come you who hunger and thirst after righteousness and you shall…..what?’ Precisely. That’s why we are here, not there. By the way…..anyone heard from Quietly Observing?

    • Beverly kenyon

      I bet they did their homework on Brother King before they sent in the ‘heavyweight’ elder. And you’re so right Burt when you say he was there to argue and to prove himself right…it was his combative tone. Well, Brother King is in contact with the Hight Priest and has been for 15 long years the proof being in his massive body of work (spiritual food) he’s produced but like you said Burt that elder wasn’t willing to find out! That self righteous attitude really does knock me sick. Why would you have that judgemental attitude towards a supposed lost sheep of Jesus? Galations1:10. 4:16

      • ewatchman

        No. I don’t think he had any idea. I seriously doubt he would have even called at my home if he knew my stance against the Watchtower. He assumed I had been DFed for some kind of immorality or whatever. He was genuinely trying to help me. I feel badly about the encounter.

        • Apple Pi

          One day, something will happen and he’ll remember what you said, and it may just help him to get on the right path.

        • Joseph Stephan

          He must be computer illiterate, because all he has to do is search Robert King on the internet..
          Poor fella, wouldn’t know truth if it smacked him in the face!

        • 1914for100Alex

          You might be right. Had he known ahead of time, he may have just wrote you off. It’s easier to dismiss somebody if you never even have to talk to them and hear their side. Your encounter may not have gone the way either of you would have liked, but that doesn’t mean nothing good will come of it down the road. You also mentioned that it was a couple elders. That doubles the chances that someone might get curious and do some research, or be willing to listen when Jehovah tries to wake them up. And given some of the “coincidences” I’ve experienced since finding your site, along with lots of prayer, maybe it’s no coincidence at all that it was those two that happened to stop by. I say this because there are things that I haven’t even talked about here that have happened that have me 100% convinced Jehovah can play a part in when and where the Witnesses happen to show up. Obviously in most cases it’s to help the householder, but I see no reason why it couldn’t work in the reverse.

  • Andres Felipe

    Hace poco un hermano me dijo que la watchtower esta al mismo nivel de jehova!!!! Le dije que si para nosotros no nos es posible poner a cristo al mismo nivel de jehova ,porque si poner a la watchtower? Le dije que eso es idolatría. El se reía de mi pero le dije que cuando fuera capaz de hablar con la biblia en mano sería una buena exoeriencia

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    If You had read my comments many a times I mentioned about Is:42:19.
    My wife asked a sister Who is blind?
    The sister said Christendom.
    My wife said see Isa:42:19.
    The next meeting that sister came and told my wife it pictures Christendom.
    My wife asked is Christendom worship Jehovah?
    The answer is No!
    Then my wife asked then who is the present day servant of Jehovah?
    She kept mum and told this incident to her husband.
    She never turned up and asked for further explanation.

  • SilverPhoenix55

    Well said True Witness.

  • Arvid Fløysand

    It looks like the winter is cut short this year…i hope so be cause i am longing for the spring..anyway,the reason i belive the spring has already begun is be cause a lot of early springflowers already is sprouting and likewise many of the trees getting ready to sprout…i am trilled about it…i love when the sun is shining all day long in my garden,..and it has been like this for some days and there is no frost in the ground either..its very unusual…1 1/2 month earlier than usual ..but some are worried…why?
    They say:this is too early for flowers to sprout,if the frost returns,then all those flowers will die…my answer to those negativ thinking people is that in that case i am fully able to protect all flowers in my own garden.So if the frost returns for a wile,then i will cover all my flowers with pine branches.i have done it many times before with good result and will do it again be cause i love all the beautiful flowers in my garden..:-)
    Much love to all of you “beautiful flowers” in Jehovah,s wonderful garden.May His sun shine on . all of you truth-seekers out there.The great Gardener will protect all of His wonderful “flowers” …

    • Beverly kenyon

      Loved reading that illustration based on your real garden made me feel happy! I get it! So reassuring. My favourite flowers are freesias and old/antique roses. Jehovah will protect his flowers when the season comes, that is true.

  • Leonard k

    Matthew 19:26
    Looking at them intently, Jesus said to them: “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

    1 Corinthians 9:22
    To the weak I became weak, in order to gain the weak. I have become all things to people of all sorts, so that I might by all possible means save some.

    Romans 6:9
    For we know that Christ, now that he has been raised up from the dead, dies no more; death is no longer master over him.

    Romans 5:17
    For if by the trespass of the one man death ruled as king through that one, how much more will those who receive the abundance of the undeserved kindness and of the free gift of righteousness rule as kings in life through the one person, Jesus Christ

    Revelation 21:4
    And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

    Psalm 118:8
    It is better to take refuge in Jehovah Than to trust in humans.

    Psalm 118:9
    It is better to take refuge in Jehovah Than to trust in princes.

    Zephaniah 3:12
    I will allow a humble and lowly people to remain in your midst, And they will take refuge in the name of Jehovah.

    Psalm 64:10
    The righteous one will rejoice in Jehovah and take refuge in him; All the upright in heart will exult.

    Psalm 18:2
    Jehovah is my crag and my stronghold and the One who rescues me. My God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, My shield and my horn of salvation, my secure refuge.

    Psalm 37:40
    Jehovah will help them and rescue them. He will rescue them from the wicked and save them, Because they take refuge in him.

    Psalm 141:8
    But my eyes look to you, O Sovereign Lord Jehovah. In you I have taken refuge. Do not take away my life.

    Psalm 57:1
    Show me favor, O God, show me favor, For I take refuge in you, And in the shadow of your wings I take refuge until the troubles pass.

    Matthew 6:33
    “Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you.

  • I was talking to a sister in the KH yesterday, and she was asking me when I intended to get baptised. Now, I have only been an unbaptised publisher for four weeks (as of 3 Apr 17), but already about half a dozen brothers/sisters have asked me this question. I do want to be baptised but I do not like the fact that we are not baptised, as the Bible teaches us, into the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit,or at the vary least, in the name of Jesus. Matthew 28:19 clearly states that people are to be baptised in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. However, I note that in Acts 2:38, Peter baptised people in the name of Jesus.
    Anyway, It appears that the Jehovah’s Witnesses are baptised in the name of the Watchtower organisation, and that is what I cannot accept. I told this to the sister yesterday. I winder whether she will say anything to anybody.

    • Burt Reynolds

      I understand your conundrum. When I was baptised, there was no mention of the watchtower and one could be baptised without conflict of conscience. You are absolutely correct about the adulteration and its implications. When I was baptised, had there been this adulteration, I would have meekly accepted it because I believed at the time, it was a loving, godly organisation and that the brothers of the governing body truely cared for me but more importantly, did Jehovah’s will. No longer. Were I in your position today, knowing what I know now, I would not take that pledge, but would seek a baptism of the heart in my personal relationship with Jehovah. Having said that, the watchtower is still Jehovah’s organisation. However, and this is only my personal opinion, I could not share the personal commitment to Jehovah on the same degree as the organisation, and I don’t know how they can have the audacity to make it a demand. They make themselves gods. One cannot serve two masters and that would be my stand, and my stumbling block. Yet some would say regardless, that we take Jehovah’s organisation as his. He has allowed it to this time. And that is correct. The difference for me is that, in my present understanding, those brothers who are not stumbled here, they have a finer understanding, and thus inclusion, than I do. What I have is just a bitter fill of men, their connivance, lies, and adulteration of the purity of Jehovah’s being. My vow would be worthless as I pledge aliegence to men who steal the innocence of children and besmirtch the name of Jehovah for their own usury and comfort. And of what value is a vow that is sullied with a lie as it leaves your very lips? Still, that is my problem. Others are fine with it and you will need to seek a balance. Ask an elder or two and ask how they can serve two masters. They will say that it is the same master. And if you argue, they will simply say you do not understand, rather than think on what you are saying. Ask for a scriptural confirmation.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      JW Student Congratulations on your being a unbaptized publisher as it is a time for great rejoicing for not only you but for all your brothers and sisters in the faith as well.

      Then he told them this illustration, saying: “What man among you with 100 sheep, on losing one of them, will not leave the 99 behind in the wilderness and go after the lost one until he finds it ?And when he has found it, he puts it on his shoulders and rejoices. And when he gets home, he calls his friends and his neighbors together, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep that was lost. ’I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over 99 righteous ones who have no need of repentance. Luke15:3-7.Read more>

      Now concerning your dilemma with baptism.

      Please take note that Jesus did not let a technicality stop him self from getting baptized.
      Matthew 3:
      13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, in order to be baptized by him.
      14 But then latter tried to prevent him, saying: “I am the one who needs to be baptized by you, and are you coming to me?”
      15 Jesus replied to him: “Let it be this time, for in that way it is suitable for us to carry out all that is righteous.” Then he quit preventing him.
      Now If Jesus did not allow a technicality to prevent his baptism how much more should we follow his example.

      • I was out on the ministry today with one of the elders, who is also the Theocratic Ministry School headmaster, or whatever they are called. I told him that, 1) I was unsure of baptism as I did not understand why JWs do not baptise in the name of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. 2) I asked why we get baptised into the WT organisation. 3) I told him I was struggling with accepting the 1914 belief.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Just curious, did he give you a reply?

          • Sorry for the delay in posting this, but I was being distracted by loads of things (renovations on my house).
            KK, so yes I was out with this experienced elder, who is actually a genuinely nice guy and if there was just one person I could ask questions of, it would be him. So I as was saying,I spoke to him about four things concerning me:
            Why do JW’s not baptise as Jesus instructed his followers to do, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
            What does it mean to be baptised into the WT organisation?
            I find it hard to understand the 1914 reasoning
            Do the Governing Body ever make mistakes?
            In answer to my first question he first pointed out that Jesus himself was not baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, or at least he appears that he was not, and he pointed out that Peter baptised somebody just in the name of Jesus, which is right. He said that somebody who is being baptised within the JW religion has already, by that point, shown their dedication to Jehovah. He said that baptism was like a private contract between the individual and Jehovah. It doesn’t matter whether some chap is standing next to you saying in a haughty voice “I baptise you in the name of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit”, it’s what is in your heart that Jehovah listens too/reads. He said there’s no need to say those words as it’s a given that the person being baptised is dedicating their life to Jehovah, his son and spirit.
            In answer to my question about why we are baptised in the name of the Watchtower organisation, he pointed out that the words in that declaration actually just get the candidate to confirm that he understands that when he is baptised he will be recognised as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. He said there’s nothing in that declaration that says you are being baptised in the NAME OF the Watchtower organisation. I read up on it when I got home, and I discovered he’s right. All that second question does is ensure that you understand that when you are baptised you are officially a JW and will be recognised as such by the world. I’ll post this part so far as sometimes Disqus has a habit of chewing up posts. I’ll continue in a separate post.

            • Sorry, just wanted to add, that the elder also said that Jesus did not say that we have to say the words “baptise you in the name of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit”, but rather he was saying whose name we are being baptised into by virtue of our being baptised. He said you can be baptised in complete silence and it would have the same meaning if, in our hearts, we are basing baptised because we want to dedicate our lives to the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

            • In answer to my question of whether the GB ever make mistakes, he found that quite funny. His answer surprised me: “Of course they do!” He said the GB are not infallible as, for example, the Catholics teach that the Pope is. He said if they didn’t make mistakes there would be no requirement for new teachings, or “new light” I think he called it. He said the apostles didn’t know everything and they made mistakes, yet they actually walked with Jesus himself in the flesh, hearing his physical voice, rather than praying to an unseen God and trying to perceive an answer in their hearts, for three years. One example he gave was when the GB taught that the captivity of Babylon, or into Babylon, was from 1918-1919. I have to say there that I have probably really messed that part of his answer up, as I can’t remember exactly what he said, but he said something about that the wrong teaching was something to do with Babylon and 1918-1919, but that the GB later realised that it had been happening since the second century BCE. I am sure some of you probably know to what he was referring and my be able to correct my mistake. He said sometimes a new teaching will come out and he thinks to himself, “can the GB be right with this? Have they made a mistake?” He says that he goes away and studies it for himself and over the course of a few days, weeks or even months he often gets what they are saying. He said whenever the GB teach new light he himself will always say go to the Bible and make a personal study of it.
              As for the 1914 difficulty of mine, that was the longest part of his reply and it would be too laborious to type and read if I put it all. But essentially he mentioned about the 2520 (?) days equating to years: a year for a day as the Bible often teaches. He said that it starts from the fall of Babylon, but again I could have misheard him, which was a date well known to religious people and secular authorities. It’s the fall of Jerusalem that is debated. The 2520 years took us up to 1914. He said he was going to send me some information to help me have a better understanding of why JWs teach that Jesus came into his temple in 1914 and all that it entails. I’ll let you know what I make of it.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              JW Student; Thank you very much for taking your time to relate this information to me and others.
              PS if you have any questions concerning these specific topics in the future please feel free to ask me or anyone else as we will be happy to assist further.

            • Thank you. The elder was really understanding. He told me there was nothing wrong with asking any questions or indeed having any doubts or concerns. He said that I should only get baptised when I am 100% certain that I want to be, and I should let anybody pressure me into it. I also liked how he gave me good answers rather than just fobbing me off by saying something like “Well, the brothers of the GB know what they are talking about, so just accept what they say”. Indeed he actually said to me that I should not blindly follow what I read in the publications, but to cross reference everything with the Bible and ask Jehovah through prayer. I also told him I visited “anti-JW” sites and forums, and read books written by ex/anti-JWs when I was studying. He said there’s nothing wrong with wanting to get as much information I could to make an informed choice.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              That brother sounds like someone you want to stay close to, I mean apparently he is reasonable and open minded along within encouraging you to making sure of all things and most important he’s not judgmental. It just goes to show us that there are some within the boundaries of the watchtower that have not yet succumb to the influence of the man of lawlessness..
              Read more>
              Chapter 10 – Man of Lawlessness

            • Just reading this weeks mid-week studies, when I found an interesting quote in the March 2013, Watchtower study magazine.

              “Certainly, you want to have such a heart and to be part of his people. Steps to that end include studying and applying his Word, repenting and turning around, dedicating your life to God, and being baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and holy spirit.”

              Here we are told that we should consider being baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, which makes me happy to see. However, considering the recommendation I am still puzzled as to why JWs do not make it readily apparent that we are being baptised in such a way. Oh well, like the elder said, it’s what’s in the heart that matters, not what some chap says as he pushes you under the water. After all, what would happen if, just as he pushes you under the water, he says “I baptise you in the name of Satan”? Does that mean the person being baptised is baptised in the name of Satan, even though he believed that he was being baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

        • Burt Reynolds

          Well don’t keep us in suspense…..what did he say? !

        • What did he say in reply???????

        • Ohhhhh no! you done pissed off the old man behind the curtain……


        • Bklyn Kevin

          More information concerning your thoughts.
          Podcast #10

          Program considers comments from a listener. Also, questions pertaining to baptism vows to God’s “spirit directed organization” and Jehovah’s Witnesses view of Michael the archangel being the same person as Jesus Christ. See YouTube video on Is Jesus Michael the Archangel?

          Download file Watchman podcast, episode #10 (Right click SAVE AS)

    • Bklyn Kevin
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