Look! I Have Forewarned You

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Friday, February 10

In the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.2 Tim. 3:1.

The Bible indicates that wickedness will greatly increase “in the last days.” So we can expect that world conditions, bad as they are now, will continue to decline. But how bad do you expect conditions to become before “the great tribulation”? For example, do you expect that there will be a war in every country, no food on anyone’s table, and illness in every household? Under those conditions, even skeptics would likely feel compelled to admit that Bible prophecy was undergoing fulfillment. However, Jesus said that most people would take “no note” of his presence, carrying on with life’s normal activities until it is too late.  Thus, the Scriptures indicate that world conditions during the last days would not become so extreme that people would be forced to believe that the end is near.

COMMENTARY

If you are one of Jehovah’s Witnesses no doubt you have read the passage at 2 Timothy 3:1-5 many, many times. But I invite you to read it once more. But this time, please take special note of the wording.

Ask yourself, was Paul intending to say that men will become egotistical, boastful, haughty, unthankful, etc., during the last days? If that is the case, then were these unrighteous characteristics on full display in 1914 as they are now? If not, then why do Jehovah’s Witnesses believe the last days began in 1914?

Be honest with yourself. Is it not true that the world has gradually become more and more unrighteous and ungodly, corrupt and immoral? The older you are the more you have seen the gradual decline of civilization.

But Paul was not saying that the last days will be marked by the gradual decline of morality and Christian values. Nor did the apostle in anyway indicate that “wickedness would greatly increase in the last days,” as the Watchtower asserts in today’s text.  No, the critical times do not unfold over generations. If necessary re-read the passage a few more times. Paul wrote that the last days would be critical times hard to deal because men will be so corrupt. 

At the risk of redundancy, Paul did not say men will become wicked during the last days. He said they “will be…” The point is, the stage is set beforehand for the last days to be critical times hard to deal with because the people of the world will have become so thoroughly ungodly, selfish and unloving before the last days commence.

That is where we stand at this present moment. Men are markedly narcissistic. Wall Street rules the world. As a consequence people love money. People are cruel and hateful and greedy. They hate God. They hate truth. All they think about is sex and pleasures. But are these the critical times about which Paul wrote?

Back during the Great Depression in America there were certainly hard times difficult to deal with. Millions of people were out of work. But people helped each other. The government helped immensely. You no doubt have seen pictures of the soup kitchens. There was no rioting, fire bombing, looting or anarchy. And they got through it.

But look at the situation in America now. (I live in America, so that is my perspective) The nation has has not been this divided since the Civil War. What would happen now if there were another great economic crash and war? Can you see people politely standing in lines waiting their turn for a ladle of soup?

Furthermore, the very expression “last days” implies a relatively short period of time. In fact, the 12th chapter of Revelation uses that exact term in relation to the interval following Satan’s ouster from Heaven. But why would the inspired apostles refer to the period of the “last days” if those days amounted to over over a hundred years?

Although it should be fairly easy to see that the apostle did not say that wickedness would greatly increase in the last days, the discomforting question that confronts Jehovah’s Witnesses is this: How could the Watchtower get it so wrong? The answer is, because the Watchtower exerts a deluding influence over everyone —including the Governing Body. That deluding influence —formerly called “an operation of error” —has but one purpose. Emanating from the Devil himself and backed by every powerful work, lying sign and wonder and every unrighteous deception, the delusion is intended to deceive Christians into believing the lie that Christ has already returned, that Satan has already been thrown down, that the last days have already begun.

The delusion is real and it is very powerful. The lie is so strongly entrenched it is utterly inseparable from the truth in the minds of Jehovah’s Witnesses. And make no mistake, Satan would not go to the trouble of creating and maintaining the delusion if those whom he is permitted to delude were not otherwise in the truth. That is, after all, why God allows the lie to persist, in order to test our love of the truth.

How will that test come about?

Well, consider one of most specious lines of reasoning that is used to maintain the delusion, the reasoning that there cannot be another world war. The Reasoning from the Scriptures confidently states that there cannot be another war between nations and kingdoms because such a conflict in the atomic age would likely destroy the world.

Evidently, though, the nations don’t follow the Watchtower’s reasoning. Each passing day brings a new development in the march to war. Over the past few years the Anglo-American empire has encircled both Russia and China with dozens of military bases and missile installations. NATO is on a full-fledged war footing with troops and military equipment right on Russia’s border. Meanwhile the empire has trained, armed and deployed a mercenary army of terrorists, which it pretends to oppose, but which are used to destroy nations and create destabilization around the globe and will likely be used to create false flag operations in the future, as was done on 9-11.

In response both Russia and China have mobilized for all-out war, as has Iran. These facts are widely known and are not fake news or conspiracy theories.

However, even when Jehovah’s Witnesses consider the world’s present precarious situation and the reality of the likelihood of global war in the near future, it still eludes their grasp that the coming war will fulfill the prophecies in a way that 1914 has not. The Watchtower knows better and it sees no significance in these ominous developments. The feverish war preparations underway are not even considered relevant by those who declare themselves to be God’s appointed watchmen. It simply does not fit with their expectation that the next event on the prophetic agenda is that the United Nations is going to destroy organized religion. It doesn’t matter that such a thing is impossible in the present political environment, God can miraculously make it happen. Such is the power of the deluding influence.

Should we imagine that when the nations and kingdoms are plunged into war that the Watchtower will finally get it right, so as to then issue “life-saving directions” for the faithful? No. Just the opposite. We can expect them to double-down, as the expression goes. The coming of Christ will push the man of lawlessness into outright opposition, which is apparently what Paul was alluding to in the same third chapter of Timothy when he forewarned that wicked men and imposters will advance from bad to worse. Referring to two characters that the Hebrew record does not mention, under inspiration Paul wrote: “Now in the way that Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these also go on opposing the truth. Such men are completely corrupted in mind, disapproved as regards the faith. Nevertheless, they will make no further progress, for their folly will be very plain to all, as it was with those two men.”

Although Jannes and Jambres have been traditionally identified as magic-practicing priests within Pharaoh’s court, there is no support for it. It may be that they were Israelites, who like Korah, opposed Moses. Or they may have been non-Israelites like Balaam, the prophet who opposed the Israelites and lured them into committing idolatry and fornication. Whatever, since the context involves developments during the last days, the opposers of Christ —the greater Moses —will undoubtedly come from within Christ’s congregation, just as the wicked and sluggish slave and the man of lawlessness. Those who oppose Jesus when he comes are the foretold antichrists. 

Surely, the outright madness of the leadership of the Watchtower will be on full display when everything that Christ foretold begins to unfold. Then false Christs and false prophets will pull out all the stops to deceive, if possible, even the chosen ones. No wonder Jesus said: “Look! I have forewarned you.”

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2017-11-13T19:12:09+00:00 February 10th, 2017|Commentary, Featured|105 Comments
  • Apple Pi

    This is a very thought provoking article, thank you Brother King. Many years ago, I recall my bookstudy conductor telling us that 2 Timothy 3:1-5 really applies to the congregation, not the world. I’ve always wondered about that in the back of my head.

  • Anderiega

    Does anybody else feel like they’re in the front row of a roller coaster as it creeps over the first crest just before doing the loop de loops? And the back row is still blissfully unaware of what’s really ahead? I hope my “seatbelt” is fully engaged…My faith in Jesus… Because getting off the coaster is not an option. Meanwhile, here’s what some in my congregation are doing on the ride….Lol?? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33b15315947f3215e630b50f4a2e740c152169f88a14d97fe06b9923ac7f45c9.png

    • ewatchman
      • Leonard k

        just imagine sitting in back of this poor guy? what a thought but iv’e seen it happen lol. I have only been on one of those things once in my life like 27 years ago and I have not gone back on that kind of a ride since. some people love the thrill of the ride but as I clearly remember I was totally terrified! and all my sister could do was have a really hard belly laugh at me every time she looked at me after we got off the ride lol.

      • Francis Bencharles

        So much for a couple beers before the roller coaster!

    • Andres Felipe

      Very interesting your picture; All we have learned from Robert we have left our idolatry and the pain that comes from being in a village that has betrayed us; We have become more attached to Jehovah and his word. But even our faith will have to be tested; Even if we are in the front row????

  • Burt Reynolds

    I do not think a third world was would be a problem for the creator of the atom. Just look at the difference between nuclear fission and nuclear fusion. As for keeping his people safe, I seem to remember one prophet wandering around unharmed in a furnace, lepers being cured, blind seeing. Front of a roller coaster? Maybe under a steam roller.

  • Kjetil Stokka

    Jesus did not say, I just want you to see my presence. No, he said everyone would see his presence when he came. He also said not believe anyone who says I’m here or there before my presence.

    Matthew 24:23-30 New International Version (NIV)

    23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

    26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

    29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

    “‘the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
    the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
    30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Hello kjetil in reading your comment I thought that you might enjoy reading this chapter in Robert Kings book. JEHOVAH HIMSELF HAS BECOME KING

      Chapter 6 – The Sign http://jehovah-is-king.com/sign/

  • Kjetil Stokka

    What people after second world war, preached to the whole world, Jesus have come invisible and sit and judge people to cheep and goats?

    Yes it was the people to the liers in brokklyn ??

  • Kjetil Stokka

    Brooklyn witnes, liers of the false body ?

  • Simpletruth

    The clock is ticking…

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    Ha! Ha! That is a nice logical question which is blow on the face of GB and food for though for all Jehovah’s witnesses.

  • 2 Timothy 3:16, 17
    16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

    James 4:14
    14 whereas you do not know what your life will be like tomorrow. For you are a mist that appears for a little while and then disappears.

    Psalm 94:23
    He will make their wicked deeds come back upon them. He will do away with them by means of their own evil. Jehovah our God will do away with them.

    Proverbs 24:22
    For their disaster will arise suddenly. Who knows what ruin both will bring upon them?

    Revelation 12:12
    12 On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.”

    Matthew 24:21
    21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.

    Revelation 11:18
    18 But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”

    Proverbs 2:22
    22 As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth,
    And the treacherous will be torn away from it.

    Revelation 13:11, 12
    11 Then I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb, but it began speaking like a dragon. 12 It exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight. And it makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first wild beast, whose mortal wound was healed.

    Ecclesiastes 1:4
    4 A generation is going, and a generation is coming,
    But the earth remains forever.

    1 John 4:8
    8 Whoever does not love has not come to know God, because God is love.

    Psalm 37:29
    29 The righteous will possess the earth,
    And they will live forever on it.

    Matthew 24:36
    36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

    Matthew 25:13
    13 “Keep on the watch, therefore, because you know neither the day nor the hour.

    Matthew 24:33
    33 Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors.

    Matthew 24:14
    14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

    Matthew 22:39
    39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’

    2 Peter 3:9
    9 Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.

    Isaiah 2:2, 3
    2 In the final part of the days,
    The mountain of the house of Jehovah
    Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains,
    And it will be raised up above the hills,
    And to it all the nations will stream.

    3 And many peoples will go and say:

    “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,
    To the house of the God of Jacob.

    He will instruct us about his ways,
    And we will walk in his paths.”

    For law will go out of Zion,
    And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.

    Isaiah 47:11
    But calamity will come upon you, And none of your charms will stop it. Adversity will befall you; you will not be able to avert it. Sudden ruin will come upon you like you have never known.

    Ezekiel 26:21
    “‘I will bring sudden terror upon you, and you will no longer be. They will search for you, but you will never again be found,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.”

    • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

      Good and great. I hear you in detail.

      • Leonard k

        Revelation 2:17
        “‘Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations: To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white pebble, and written on the pebble is a new name that no one knows except the one receiving it.’

        • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

          Thank you and pray for me. I am bit troubled

          • Beverly kenyon

            Basa, I’ll pray for you too. That’s a comforting scripture Leonard k posted to you. That’s not like you to be troubled as you’re always upbeat. Basa, for a fact I know Jehovah will support you and your family and help you endure with strength any persecution or problems that might come your way. Rely on Jehovah and don’t lean on your own understanding, things will work out and you’ll come out of it wiser and stronger in your Love and Faith for Jehovah God and his Son. Keep your chin up!

          • Daisy

            Beautiful brother, take heart and trust that we are all praying for you and trust that you are very dear to us here.
            😀

          • Leonard k

            Matthew 26:41
            41 Keep on the watch and pray continually, so that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit, of course, is eager, but the flesh is weak.”

            Luke 18:1
            18 Then he went on to tell them an illustration about the need for them always to pray and not to give up,

            Psalm 65:5
            5 You will answer us with awe-inspiring deeds of righteousness,
            O God of our salvation;
            You are the Confidence of all the ends of the earth
            And of those distant across the sea.

          • Leonard k
    • Ed(the other Ed)

      Thank you Leonard, powerful scriptures for sure!
      peace!

      • Leonard k

        all those seeking truth will certainly find it and all those finding truth will certainly come to understand it by the power of there faith and all those having faith and gaining an accurate knowledge will love the truth but in order to know and love the truth we must first seek Jehovah and his kingdom and a nd the one whom he sent forth jesus Christ. keep on then seeking and you shall find keep on then asking and it will be given and most o0f all put Jehovah our heavenly father first in all things his undeserved love mercy understanding and kindness will be your salvation.

        Matthew 6:33
        “Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you.

    • Burt Reynolds

      That just about explains it all!

      • Leonard k

        the truth is a marvel and is alive keep on then opening your heart and mind and let our heavenly father form your spiritual body by means of his undeserved love kindness and mercy.

        Hebrews 4:12
        For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart.

        James 4:8
        8 Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones.

        Isaiah 41:13
        13 For I, Jehovah your God, am grasping your right hand,
        The One saying to you, ‘Do not be afraid. I will help you.’

        • Burt Reynolds

          I especially like Hebrews :4:12, ‘…pierces even to the deviding of the soul and spirit.’ But then, ‘the soul that is sinning, it itself wil die.’ ‘ but as for the dead, they know nothing at all…’ So what then is the spirit? And come to that, does ‘the spirit…’ In this context refer to man, or the spirit Jehovah that breathed animation into the nostrils of Adam and thus he became a living soul, because as we know, you can come to be a dead soul. And yet, into the hands of Jehovah, Christ committed his spirit. I have always had interest in this scripture because it seems to suggest an insight into the provision of life…and this is only conjecture of course, in that it asks the question is life an integral part of Jehovah and that at the death of the soul, the life-spirit, returns to its source. If Jehovah is the source of life and all life stems from him….’the spirit moving over the surface of the earth’ then how can part of that die? You put petrol in a car…it does not dissapear but turns into gasses and energy and water. Adam was a ready receptacle to support life, but as we see, cannot own life. A body can be revived to life in a certain period of time, and as Einstein showed, energy does not fail, it just turns into a different element…..light, heat, motion and can be reused. I’m not suggesting I’m correct, but it adds to the scripture the fineness of the word of Jehovah, drawing an analagy of how closely we are entwined with his purpose should we choose to draw close to him.
          The scriptures also suggest at this omimpotence in that Jehovah reads our hearts, knows our intentions, can see the outcome of those intentions. Not only that, but in considering the question of the many deaths suffered at the justice of Jehovah, was Jehovah actually killing those people, or simply withdrawing his life force from them, returning it to himself.
          Of course, if you were to apply that theory to the universe, time being relevant, and without doubt a creation of the great maker of law, it somewhat makes rubbish of our concept of and measurement of time and that Indeed we are looking through time, not at it. Thus the length of it never existed. Hebrews is indeed a fine scripture.

          • Leonard k

            your question is very interesting and very uplifting. the concept of your question is that of Jehovah’s holy spirit and how he creates and uses his divine power and I often wonder about this concept very much my self. it is hard to put into words an answer to your question but I will try by saying this. yes Jehovah created man and he breath into him the breath of life

            Isaiah 45:18
            For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.

            Genesis 1:2
            2 Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.

            Genesis 2:7
            And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living person.

            so partly in answer to your question asking so then what is his holy spirit I can only imagine his holy spirit is his power his active force a divine holy glorious power based on a love that we as man can not fully understand.

            Galatians 5:22, 23
            22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.

            1 Corinthians 12:4-11
            4 Now there are different gifts, but there is the same spirit; 5 and there are different ministries, and yet there is the same Lord; 6 and there are different activities, and yet it is the same God who performs them all in everyone. 7 But the manifestation of the spirit is given to each one for a beneficial purpose. 8 For to one is given speech of wisdom through the spirit, to another speech of knowledge according to the same spirit, 9 to another faith by the same spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one spirit, 10 to yet another operations of powerful works, to another prophesying, to another discernment of inspired expressions, to another different tongues, and to another interpretation of tongues. 11 But all these operations are performed by the very same spirit, distributing to each one respectively just as it wills.

            if I’m understanding your question correctly I’m thinking yes jesus committed his spirit into his fathers hands and yes jesus was dead for three days so does this mean his spirit died for that time? well I can only imagine Jehovah’s holy spirit can never die so jesus died physically but he committed his spirit into his fathers hands witch leads me to this scripture

            1 Corinthians 15:44
            It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.

            so jesus died a physical death and went to the grave but then what happened to his spiritual body? I can only conclude even though jesus suffered a physical death and was Conscious of nothing while in the grave his spirit was committed to Jehovah this meaning who jesus Christ was in his spiritual body was committed to and remembered by Jehovah and resurrected by Jehovah’s divine holy spirit at the appointed time.

            here’s another way of looking at this subject as well. I just happen to build and program computers I am a computer engineer and so many times a customer would come to me and say hey my computers hard drive went bad but I have very important information on my hard drive such as documents photos and family videos and they ask me if I build them a new computer of replace there hard drive can I restore all of there information? well of course I say most likely yes I can restore all of your old information into a new computer and so my first step is to clone the old hard drive by downloading all the old information into a new hard drive the I build the new computer then I install the new hard drive and then I install all the drivers that the new computer needs so I see it this way when a person dies who he was the memory of him or her goes back to Jehovah and Jehovah saves that persons information on a virtual hard drive lets say. so now we come to the resurrection and much like I build a new computer Jehovah builds a new body and much like I upload all the old information to the new computer Jehovah will upload / restore all that persons information into his new body. so when Jehovah resurrects a person he gives them this new body and they wake up but they remember everything about who they were up until they had died. of course I can not be certain of what I am saying but it does have logic and sense to it.

            the part of your question where you ask So what then is the spirit? And come to that, does ‘the spirit…’ In this context refer to man, or the spirit Jehovah I think it refers both meaning a mans spiritual body but in physical death that spiritual body goes back to Jehovah’s holy spirit his active force in witch he used to create all things and yet again through Jehovah’s glorious divine power he will make all things new again.

            Revelation 21:1-5
            21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

            5 And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”

            I’m sorry I gave you such a long rant of an answer but your question is very interesting and I just felt very compelled to try and answer your question as best I can. of course I do not claim to be correct and I would not want to stumble any one.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I think we are pretty much on the same line. In a nut shell, what I was referring to was the question; is the force of life, the power of life, the entity of life…..what life actually is: are we independant of that, or is it, for want of better words, Jehovah….thus the separation of spirit and soul. I don’t think there is an answer, it’s just conjecture.

            • Isaiah 42:1

            • Leonard k

              the only thing that comes to my mind is the difference between mortal man born into sin and jesus Christ and the 144000 that difference being jesus Christ now has life within him self and the 144000 will have life within them selves there fore they will not have to depend on Jehovah to sustain there life force where’s mankind on earth must depend on Jehovah to sustain there lives so mankind will not be independent like jesus and the 144000. when you think about Jehovah’s most holy and glorious power and you look at the universe and all Jehovah has created it leaves your mind in a state of awe! it makes me think is Jehovah’s active force alive? but if you think like that then you kind of get your self into a mess because of the trinity falsehood. I my self can only conclude that Jehovah’s holy spirit is not a super natural being like Jehovah and jesus Christ are no but his holy spirit is his active power that he used all in creation. if you think about it at one time even jesus Christ and all the sons of god had to depend on Jehovah to sustain them but since jesus Christ paid a ransom sacrifice for man kind he was given the blessing of life within his self and so it will be with the 144000 leaving me to conclude that all life all of Jehovah’s creation had to be sustained by Jehovah’s holy spirit at one time ages ago and as I have just stated before jesus Christ now has life within his self the 144000 will have life within there selves but mankind and all those angels besides jesus and the 144000 will still have to depend on Jehovah to sustain there lives. Jehovah’s active power his holy spirit is mind blowing and staggering and I think Jehovah will allow mankind to understand what he needs to about the father but man kind can never know all things about Jehovah.

              John 3:8
              8 The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So it is with everyone who has been born from the spirit.”

              1 Corinthians 2:11
              For who among men knows the things of a man except the man’s spirit within him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God except the spirit of God.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Nope! Not a ‘separate’ life…nothing to do with trinitarianism, but that Jehovah as life, is omnipresent. Like dark matter for instance, present in all things. Energy, including the energy of life, has to have a sustainable source that is not dependant on anatomical function. The Angels do not have a body, yet emit light and if you emit energy then you must have access to, or exist as a source of energy. Humans are not a source of energy, we derive it and use it. I really don’t know. It’s just a thought that might form an answer but that I am not really sure of the question! But interestingly, it does provide an answer to the question ‘where were you when I formed the heavens?’ Yet, if Jehovah is life eternal on the same principle as perpetual motion, then how can our life energy, not be integral with Jehovah? The problem is, how to conjecture outside of the physical restraints we are under in terms of understanding Jehovah’s laws? We are but dust on the scale and probably talking rubbish. I remember as a child my father giving me an electric motor which I promptly took apart and played with the magnets. I suppose likewise, as adults we can only fiddle about with bits of the bigger question that we have no idea what it does!

            • Leonard k

              it is only natural to ask questions I mean how else will any one learn unless they ask questions.

            • since Jehovah has always been, did he create the laws of space for him to move? (rhetorical question)

            • Burt Reynolds

              He is termed as the maker of laws isn’t he? (Or some reference like that) I do not think he made laws to enable him to move. It is more likely, in my mind, that the laws are part of him, though clearly he created the earth. Whether that was done with, or by the laws is a different question. But, what if Jehovah is not relative to time? That puts a whole different aspect to the concept of time as we mere mortals view it to be. That’s not rhetorical by the way. If you have an answer, I would love to hear it.

            • i asked the question not for a answer in reply. it wasnt plainly rhetorical but because i said it is.
              its the time part that always throws you guys off. i dont even think to use the word. its simply an object in particular position to another, used as a mesurment for when. Jehovah has always been. what time is it? uhh that guys eating a hamburger.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Sorry DA, we seem to have a cultural misunderstanding. No offence meant.?

            • i was just thowing something to think about not that i want to get into it via thumb tapping back and forth on an android; a essay of my thoughts. its a pain.

              think of Jehovah as the red stationary hand or the watch itself. what time is it? its akways now one thing (clock/watch numbers) relative to another. Jehovah has always been.

              back in time means reversing every substance into its original position.
              the delorean would simply keep itself and whats inside from change.

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d018f248d1a41a195aadc683b89ceb128cd75645542f30c1149c9be4ed3d3a40.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c6f02aa877781a1c4713a930c008188653f2fb4d60aa6cf137ea708e6029fc9d.jpg

            • muldoon55 .

              very interesting topic Burt,
              my two cents for what it’s worth, since we are all electrical energy at the micro and Jehovah is the source of all energy could it be that when we die ,that energy returns to Him in some miraculous way we just don’t understand and is visible and viable to Jehovah?
              Jesus told the religious scholars in the illustration of the woman who had seven husbands Matt 22:32 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[b]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”
              Could the life force energy of these men of old as well as all who have died be somehow stored away in some miraculous containment waiting for reanimation?
              Not conscious of course but every detail of of every person who has ever lived right down to the dna imprinting stored as energy. We’ll have to wait and see I guess.
              God bless you all,

            • Bklyn Kevin

              The bible surely support your thought.

              Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it was,
              (and the spirit* returns to the true God who gave it.)
              Ecclesiastes 12:7

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Maybe we can think of it like that Jehovah got us all on his “hard-disc”…and he will never delete us if we stay faithful to him 🙂

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Muldoon, That’s more or less the opinion I hold. In other words, Jehovah leases his life force out, but our body supplies the consciousness. We will find out I expect what the truth is.

            • muldoon55 .

              Great analogy

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    .Yes even India become Independent Sovereign nation after WWII in 1947 and now it has become nuclear state. If really Jesus sat on the throne in 1914, how all these things happened? Only after 1999 did the preaching work of JW increased far and wide in India. Even now in some states JW are virtually nil in India.

  • Kjetil Stokka

    I was born in 1914 and I die in 1998 and I preached lies all My life, I was one of the fooled one’s ?
    And My children and grandchildren follow me and preach lies still today, they are also fooled one’s ?
    And all relatives so not agree with us in our religion, they we not talk to or eat with, or say hi to ??

    Matthew 24:5King James Version (KJV)

    5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    Luke 21:8New International Version (NIV)

    8 He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.

  • Kjetil Stokka

    And all in our religion must give money, Yes we have made film video to litle children, for learn them give money to people who not work ??

  • Kjetil Stokka

    Some of us were also castrated, raped, sent to a concentration camp and killed for having been fooled. we should also believe that most irrational reasoning

    So it go with people who not belive the Word of Jesus Christ ?

  • Observing Quietly

    Excellent write up, thoroughly enjoyed this one.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Up voting you quietly….

      • Joseph Stephan

        Shhhhhhh, me too

  • Kjetil Stokka

    You think God will protect you in the great tribulation, sorry he will not ?

    Mark 13:20King James Version (KJV)

    20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

    • yes he will. what are you thinking?
      thats the point. anyone putting their trust in Jehovah will be saved

      • Burt Reynolds

        Saved yes, but not saved from temporary death which is what kjetil is getting at I think.

    • Rafaela

      Did you read the scripture you yourself just quoted? “…no flesh should be saved; but for THE ELECT’S SAKE, whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days”. That about sums it up.

      • i will say Kjetil is correct in noting that its not going to be a walk in the park. he is absolutely correct as far as the quoted scripture thats keeping him alert. Jesus did call it a tribulation for a reason. because its gunna be horrible. painful. but even through the worst, Jehovah will NOT leave his people or abandon his people entirely. although he will hide his face, it will only be for a moment. it will be a day of gloomyness for sure. all the more reason for us to speak to him constently; daily. he knows our weaknesses and our endurance personally. Jehovah says “I would not forget you! See, I have written your name on the palms of my hands.” (Isaiah 49:15-16)

        we will have to do without the drive-through at Del Taco and like Venezuela, days without paper to wipe. it will be roughing it like camping for some and a daily chore to keep clean and away from the heat and out of the cold but Jehovah’s angels will be with those that pray to him in faith, even out of frustration. of course that is why we must take advantage of the time we arnt doing so bad to focus on learning about Jehovah and building our faith and relationship with him.

        example:

        2-Cor ch11 –
        …imprisonments, with countless beatings, and often near death. 24 Five times I received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I was adrift at sea; 26 on frequent journeys, in danger from rivers, danger from robbers, danger from my own people, danger from Gentiles, danger in the city, danger in the wilderness, danger at sea, danger from false brothers; 27 in toil and hardship, through many a sleepless night, in hunger and thirst, often without food, in cold and exposure. 28 And, apart from other things, there is the daily pressure on me of my anxiety for all…

        • Rafaela

          Of course I (now) know it’s not going to be a walk in the park. When I first started my bible study my study sister said that all JW’s would be sheltered from tribulation and would be at perfect peace without any suffering. It always bothered me how she could say that because when I thought of the coming tribulation, no pretty thoughts crossed my mind. It was all chaos and suffering,
          We are having a similar situation to Venezuela’s here in Brazil, in a state called “Espirito Santo” (Holy Spirit) where it’s been pure chaos after a police strike. People are running around with guns and machetes murdering other innocent people. Supermarkets are being robbed, POLITICIANS are running up and down the streets trying to get their hands on stacks of food and house supplies. Everyone is advised to stay inside and if they look out their windows it’s like a scene from the movie “The Purge”… it breaks my heart. I’ve been there a couple of years ago and it’s such a beautiful state, people were so polite and welcoming, my mother and I would walk alone in the streets at night and it was perfectly safe. And yet there they are, rioting and breaking into stores. It’s been a major wake up call to me because I know it’s a preview of what’s going to happen all over the world. When I first saw the news it was scary to me because it’s happening close to home. I don’t think we’ve ever had a situation like this in our country. But then it hit me, “that is literally going to happen right outside my door”.
          The only thing that is going to keep us sane (and hopefully alive) will be our faith in Jehovah.
          Revelation 3:10- “Because you have kept My command to endure with patience, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” ♥

        • Rafaela

          I (now) know it’s not going to be a walk in the park. Because when I first started my bible study, my study sister said that all JW’s would be sheltered from tribulation and would be at perfect peace without any suffering. It always bothered me how she could say that because when I thought of the coming tribulation, no pretty thoughts crossed my mind. It was all chaos and suffering. BUT I still chose to believe her… well, another pretty lie.
          We are having a similar situation to Venezuela’s here in Brazil, in a state called “Espirito Santo” (Holy Spirit), where it’s been pure chaos after a police strike. People are running around with guns and machetes other innocent people. Hundreds have been killed already. Supermarkets are being robbed, POLITICIANS are running up and down the streets trying to get their hands on stacks of food and house supplies. Everyone is advised to stay inside and if they look out their windows it’s like a scene from the movie “The Purge”… it breaks my heart. I’ve been there a couple of years ago and it was such a beautiful state, people were so polite and welcoming, my mother and I would walk alone in the streets at night and it was perfectly safe. And yet there they are, rioting and breaking into stores. It’s been a major wake up call to me because I know it’s a preview of what’s going to happen all over the world. When I first saw the news it was scary to me because it’s happening close to home. I don’t think we’ve ever had a situation like this in our country. But then it hit me, “that is literally going to happen right outside my door”.
          The only thing that is going to keep us sane (and hopefully alive) will be our faith in Jehovah.
          Revelation 3:10- “Because you have kept My command to endure with patience, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” ♥

          • Isaiah 26:20

          • Burt Reynolds

            Forearmed is forewarned, both physically and spiritually.

          • Noe Namely

            Very nice Post!

          • Beverly kenyon

            Thanks for this post Rafaela. Reading it I felt fear grip me as I’ve seen on the news the situation in that state of Brazil…absolute anarchy and I know once Tribulation kicks off we will all be living in a real life ‘Purge’ the first film, but on a grander scale! Recently, here in Manchester, England we had a proper shortage of lettuces and courgettes…like a famine…I know (eye roll), don’t laugh, but you would’ve thought it was a real famine, people were stockpiling, being aggressive and fearful..if it wasn’t serious it would be laughable! So these sort of events gives us a glimpse into what Tribulation will really mean!

          • Joseph Stephan

            This chaos will sweep the world when this over inflated debt bubble POPS (that the bankers imposed on the world)

      • Kjetil Stokka

        Yes because of the ELECT he shorten the days or stop the distress.
        So before he stop the distress he do Nothing for protect people.

        We not know How long time it will go from he stop the distress, to Jesus coming and judge people to sheep or goats.

        But Peter said armageddon will come like a thief in the night, people will not expect that day. But God will protect in armageddon the people Jesus judge to be sheep people.

        2 Peter 3:10-11New International Version (NIV)

        10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

        11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          No one knows the day or hour – but of what?
          Excerpt:
          QUESTION: At Mark 13:32 Jesus said: “Concerning that day or hour nobody knows, neither the angels nor the Son…” Is Jesus talking about his presence, which Jehovah’s Witnesses believe began in 1914, or is he talking about Armageddon?

          ANSWER: The simple answer is, Jesus was referring to the day and hour for the beginning of the conclusion and ultimately his presence among the chosen ones —not the world-ending war of Armageddon. The context makes that evident.

          Read more> https://e-watchman.com/no-one-knows-day-hour/

          QUESTION: Will the people who belong to Babylon the Great die during Babylon’s destruction or will they survive until Armageddon? And when will the weeds will be thrown into the fire? At Armageddon, or before?

          Armageddon, or before?
          Excerpt:
          ANSWER: Revelation 18:4, an oft-quoted verse by the Watchtower, states: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.”

          This indicates that persons who are connected to false religion at the time it is judged by God will be held guilty for “sharing in her sins.” However, the revelation of God’s judgment goes on to relate that the kings of the earth and the merchants who profited from their immoral relations with the harlot will grieve over her destruction. Obviously, they are not physically killed then.

          Although the plagues brought upon the iniquitous harlot include “death,” the destruction of all individuals who once supported Babylon the Great does not occur then. However, the reason God requires his people to get out before the empire of false religion is destroyed is because those who do not will not thereafter be recognized by God as his people and consequently will not receive his protection during the war of Armageddon. Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/armageddon/

          Search results for: Armageddon. Read a lot more>
          https://e-watchman.com/?s=Armageddon+come+to

          • Kjetil Stokka

            What was the question from the disiples?

            Matthew 24:3New International Version (NIV)

            3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

            The day and hour was the day Jesus coming.

            28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

            30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”

            Armageddon must be after they are taken to heaven as we read in Matthew 13. But armageddon can also be the same time as they are taken to heaven.

            Matthew 13:40-43New International Version (NIV)

            40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Will Christianity Survive the End of the World?

              Excerpt:

              No, the Watchtower is wrong!

              Contrary to what the Watchtower Society presently teaches, the Bible most certainly does say! And Jehovah’s inspired prophets emphatically state that not a single anointed Christian will survive in the flesh even to the start of the war of Armageddon! In fact, one of the most profound truths contained in the Bible is that the untimely deaths of all true Christians (anointed) is the reason Jehovah authorizes the destruction of the present world at the decisive battle of Armageddon.

              Sadly, over the course of 75 years the Watchtower has gone from confidently stating that the anointed will definitely survive Armageddon, to now revising their official comment to: “the Bible does not say.”Rather than the light getting brighter though, the Watchtower oracle seems to be oblivious. In view of the Watchtower Society’s apparent ambivalence in clarifying the truth, it seems long overdue that Jehovah’s Witnesses should be informed from other sources concerning these vital matters.

              “ALL THE HOLY ONES BEING WITH HIM”

              (Common sense) should have a say in this matter. For example, the 19th chapter of Revelation clearly establishes that the marriage of the Lamb of God occurs immediately after the destruction of Babylon the Great but before the final war between Christ and the beast. How reasonable is it that the marriage takes place while some members of the bride are absent? It is not reasonable at all. After all, how could a wedding even be considered a real wedding of two parties if one party is not present? Unfortunately common sense does not always prevail. Read more>

              https://e-watchman.com/will-christianity-survive-the-end-of-the-world/

            • Kjetil Stokka

              This we can find the answer to in bible, when will the elect go heaven? Read:

              1 Corinthians 15:51-52New International Version (NIV)

              51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

              They will go heaven at the last trompet, so when is the last trompet? Read:

              Matthew 24:30-31New King James Version (NKJV)

              30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

              They all go heaven when Jesus coming after the great tribulation. For when Jesus come the last trompet will blow.

            • LW

              Revelation 10:7:

              But in the days when the seventh angel is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret that God declared as good news to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

  • Kjetil Stokka

    The great tribulation

    Revelation 13:10King James Version (KJV)

    10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

  • Kjetil Stokka

    The great tribulation/distress will end a period before armageddon, the great tribulation is not armageddon.
    It is in armageddon God will protect people the sheep people.

    Matthew 24:21New International Version (NIV)

    21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

    Matthew 24:29-30New International Version (NIV)

    29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

    “‘the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
    the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
    30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

  • Kjetil Stokka

    We the elect, we understand the tribulation will be distress, so we buy hermetikk food like Josef in ancient Egypt. And we understand millions will die because they will have no food.

    It is no point to know it will be distress if you not act for survive to God stop it.

    • Marisa Gomez

      “And the salvation of the righteous ones is from Jehova; He is their fortress in the time of the distress. And Jehova will help them and provide them with escape……because they have taken refuge in him.” PSALM 37:39-40.
      Dont take refuge in hermetic food!!!!! My God.!!!?

  • Kjetil Stokka

    Why God will not protect you in the great tribulation!

    Because the only people on earth today so are Holy and belong to God, is the anointed one’s and their spouses and children.
    If someone say something other they fool you.

    1 Corinthians 7:14International Children’s Bible (ICB)

    14 The husband who is not a believer is made holy through his believing wife. And the wife who is not a believer is made holy through her believing husband. If this were not true, then your children would not be clean. But now your children are holy.

    Matthew 13:36-43New King James Version (NKJV)

    The Parable of the Tares Explained
    36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

    37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

    • Marisa Gomez

      So,,,,How do you explain Ezekiel 18:20b? “Upon his own self the very righteousnes of the righteous one will come to be, and upon his own self the very wickedness of a wicked one will come to be”.

  • Kjetil Stokka

    1 corinthians is written to Christ body. Anointed one’s

    1 Corinthians 12:27International Children’s Bible (ICB)

    27 All of you together are the body of Christ. Each one of you is a part of that body.

  • Kjetil Stokka

    Not feel safe, you shoud fear!

    • Kjetil Stokka

      One good thing to know, all people on earth are in same boat, you only need hermetic food and luck ??

      • Beverly kenyon

        Agree with you there Kjetil, it will be a leveller for all. Forget the luck bit, you can’t trust luck but you can trust our God, Jehovah and I haven’t a clue where to get hermetically sealed food so what about tinned food…it’s got a long date on most of them and water has no date…at least that’s what I’ve been told. I used to be hysterical thinking about GT and Armageddon but now I don’t let it get to me…I just think, Que sera sera, what happens, happens!

        • Joseph Stephan

          Always good to have at least 30 days, til things get sorted out.
          http://www.augasonfarms.com/

          • Beverly kenyon

            Bloomin heck Joseph, that site is an eye opener! The food can last for thirty years! Tomorrow I’m showing my friend that site as all he has stored is booze…says he’s gonna trade using his stash! I pin the destruction of Jerusalem some of them were reduced to eating bits of leather not to mention cannibalism (gross), so I’ll be alright for a few days as I have loads of shoes! Lol. In the siege of Stalingrad people were making ‘soup’ using glue (vile)! Very imaginative. Watching Boom Bust on RT and they’re wittering on about financial collapse that’s coming and economy recovery is very weak and how financial types like Janet Yellen is putting out false numbers in that supposed recovery and none of it means anything.

          • Burt Reynolds

            And who survived forty days in the wilderness without food or water? Got you there Joseph ?

            • Joseph Stephan

              Unfortunately, this time the whole ungodly world will be in the wilderness. And there going to be Pissed ……. God’s people will have to hide at first. Checkmate ?

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hmmm. True. Okay, I’ll see your prophesy and raise you three miracles. ?

      • e.v.g

        All you need is love….all you need is love…all you need is love..love is all you need!!! And a can opener.?

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. After he had fasted for 40 days and 40 nights, he felt hungry. And the Tempter approached and said to him: “If you are a son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread.”
        But he answered: “It is written: ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.’” Matthew 4:1-4.

        So he humbled you and let you go hungry and fed you with the manna, which neither you had known nor your fathers had known, in order to make you know that man does not live by bread alone but man lives by every expression from Jehovah’s mouth.
        Deuteronomy 8:3

  • Francis Bencharles

    When you see the stone strike the feet of the Image of Daniel 2 you will know that the end is near. It will be unmistakable when it comes. Keep on the watch, and don’t fall asleep with the leaders of the Watchtower.

    • LW

      As in when the U.S. is brought to its knees

  • Leonard k

    Isaiah 42:18
    Listen, you who are deaf; Look and see, you who are blind.

    Isaiah 42:19
    Who is blind except my servant, So deaf as the messenger I send? Who is so blind as the one rewarded, So blind as the servant of Jehovah?

    Isaiah 43:8
    Bring out a people who are blind, though they have eyes, And who are deaf, though they have ears.

    1 Peter 4:17
    For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God?

    Matthew 25:30
    And throw the good-for-nothing slave out into the darkness outside. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.’

    https://youtu.be/UI-TGSFj-Lk

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Isaiah29:1-6.
      “Woe to Arʹi·el, Arʹi·el, the city where David encamped! Continue year after year; Let the cycle of festivals continue. But I will bring distress on Arʹi·el, And there will be mourning and lamentation, And she will become to me like an altar hearth of God. I will encamp on all sides against you, And I will besiege you with a palisade And raise up siege works against you. You will be brought low; From the ground you will speak, And what you say will be muffled by dust. Your voice will come from the ground Like the voice of a spirit medium, And your words will chirp from the dust. The crowd of your enemies* will be like fine powder, The crowd of the tyrants just like the blowing chaff. And it will happen in an instant, suddenly. Jehovah of armies will give you his attention With thunder and earthquake and a great noise, With storm wind and tempest and the flames of a consuming fire.” Read more>
      https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/29/

    • Arvid Fløysand

      Come,now you rich men,weep and wail over the miseries that are coming upon you.Your riches have rotted,and your clothing has become moth-eaten.Your gold and silver have rusted away,and their rust will be a witness against you and will consume your flesh.
      What you have stored up will be like a fire in the last days.
      Look! The wages you have withheld from the workers who harvested your fields keep crying out,and the cries for help of the reapers have reached the ears of Jehova of armies.
      You have lived in luxury and for self-gratification on earth.
      You have fattened your hearts on the day of slaughter.
      You have condemned;you have murdered the righteous one.Is he not opposing you?

      Be patient then brothers,until the presence of the Lord.Look! The farmer keeps waiting for the precious fruit of the earth,exersising patience over it until the early rain and the late rain arrive.
      You too exercise patience;make your hearts firm,because the presence of the Lord has drawn close.

      Do not grumble against one another brothers,so that you do not get judged.
      Look! The Judge is standing before the doors.
      Brothers, take as a pattern of the suffering of evil and the exercising of patience the prophets who spoke in the name of Jehovah.
      Look! We consider happy those who have endured.
      You have heard of the endurance of Job and have seen the outcome Jehovah gave,that Jehovah is very tender in affection and merciful.
      (James 5:1-11)

  • Kjetil Stokka

    We can already know who will be judget to goats and go everlasting fire.

    It will not be the elect, it will not be trusty spouses to the elect, and it will not be children to the elect because they all Holy.

    Jesus said already for 2000 year ago who will be judget to goats, read:

    Matthew 13:41-42Names of God Bible (NOG)

    41 The Son of Man will send his angels. They will gather everything in his kingdom that causes people to sin and everyone who does evil. 42 The angels will throw them into a blazing furnace. People will cry and be in extreme pain there.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      The sheep and the goats will be judged based upon their treatment of Christ’s brothers then.

      When Did We See You in Prison?
      https://e-watchman.com/when-did-we-see-you-in-prison/

      Supporting Christ’s Brothers During Their Humiliation
      https://e-watchman.com/supporting-christs-brothers-humiliation/

      • Kjetil Stokka

        Yes but How many of Christ brothers are on earth when Jesus coming?

        And How can 7 000 000 000 people do something good to Christ few brothers on earth?

        It must be something collectively .

        But we know Jesus said all so do evil will the angels cast into the fiery furnace.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          The sheep and the goats (31-46)

          When the Son of man+ comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. Read more>
          https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/matthew/25/#v40025031-v40025046

        • Bklyn Kevin

          What about the 7,000 who are killed?.
          Excerpt:
          QUESTION: An article in the January, 2016, Watchtower, on paragraph 14, states that the Bible does not say how many of the anointed will be left at the time that the tribulation begins. However, I have understood from previous podcasts and articles of yours that there will be 7000. I take it this means that the Bible does not state how many will be there when the great tribulation begins, but it does state how many will be there at the end of the tribulation and just prior to Armageddon. If that is so, will those extra ones that die before the end of the GT die a martyr’s death? Also, can you explain or point out to me your reasoning for coming up with the 7000? What scriptures talk about this?

          But as regards the 7,000, the 11th chapter of Revelation reveals the number of the remaining ones who belong to the “city” who are killed along with the two witnesses. Here is what Revelation states: “In that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell; and 7,000 persons were killed by the earthquake, and the rest became frightened and gave glory to the God of heaven.”

          Read more> https://e-watchman.com/what-ab

          • Kjetil Stokka

            I not sure, but it coud be the 3,5 days is the same as the 1260 days. Because 1260 days are 3,5 year, It tell some of the elect must day in the great tribulation.
            And it not say they go to heaven direct after 3,5 days, it say after 3,5 days, a time after when Jesus coming.

            And 7000 can be the number, like 144000 is the number in chapter 14:1

            • Kjetil Stokka

              Exemple if one elect will be killed when Babylon the great will be destroyed, then this elect will be dead in 1260 days or 3,5 year. And to Jesus coming.

            • Kjetil Stokka

              And if some elect still are in Jehovah witness or in other religion, then he have not followed Gods comand go out of her My people.

              So this elect will Maybe be killed early, that coud be Why some will die early in the great tribulation.

              Because this power from the governing body are so strong, so people fear and have not courage to go out.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              If you click on the link that I have provided for you and closely studied the article you will get the rest of the details that you seek.

              What about the 7,000 who are killed?. https://e-watchman.com/what-ab

  • Kjetil Stokka

    About the economic kollaps, Robert talk about.
    I not say I am 100% sure but it can be.

    King of north russia travel and take all countryes in middle east, and stop oil to world.
    The result will be economic kollaps in world, the beast get a sword hit.

    King of north stop between mediterranean sea and the Arabia sea.

    Daniel 11:40-45New International Version (NIV)

    40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 45 He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.

  • Kjetil Stokka

    This is very danger.

    Say you are in a religion, and the beast destroy all religion but you and your friends start preach!

    They will take you to prison, they will rape you, they will torture you, and some will they kill or hurt Serious.

    Because you did not listen and go out.

    Revelation 18:4New International Version (NIV)

    Warning to Escape Babylon’s Judgment
    4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

    “‘Come out of her, my people,’
    so that you will not share in her sins,
    so that you will not receive any of her plagues;

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Let the Reader Use Discernment

      Excerpt:
      The inquisitive disciples naturally wanted to know when the temple was going to be destroyed. The account states: “While he was sitting upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: ‘Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?’”

      In response to their multi-faceted question, Jesus gave a simple, yet profound and far-reaching answer. And after giving his disciples a general outline of what was to occur, Jesus then gave a specific sign that would signal Jerusalem’s imminent destruction. He said: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.” Read more> https://e-watchman.com/reader-use-discernment/

  • Joseph Stephan

    Look! I have forewarned you.
    https://youtu.be/TzHg1D_o3_s

    • Bklyn Kevin

      It doesn’t get any clearer than that!. It was a nice ride but it soon to be over.

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