Keep Paying Attention to Daniel

//Keep Paying Attention to Daniel

The writing is on the wall. The world now stands at the brink of a great war; no doubt a global war, a war that will undoubtedly far surpass the horrors and hardships wrought by the 20th century’s two bloody world wars. The war now developing will most assuredly be the most tumultuous calamity ever experienced by any generation – it will overturn civilization itself.

But how may we know for certain what the future holds in this regard? Surely the leaders of the nations would not be so stupid as to risk the extermination of all mankind?

The truth is, there are influential evil entities involved that are much more powerful than humans.

To underscore that fact, while people are generally familiar with the term Armageddon – there even being a popular Hollywood science fiction movie by that title – most do not appreciate what Revelation says brings about the conflict known as the war at Armageddon.

But according to the 16th chapter of Revelation it is expressions inspired by powerful, super-human evil spirits —demons —that are destined to influence the world leaders, over-reaching them, gathering them to a symbolic place, a situation really, called in Hebrew Harmageddon.

Other books in the Bible confirm that same eventuality. For example, Revelation informs us that after their crushing defeat at Armageddon Christ will imprison the demons for 1,000 years, while Isaiah foretells the same thing in the 24th chapter, saying: “In that day Jehovah will turn his attention to the army of the heights above and to the kings of the earth upon the earth. And they will be gathered together like prisoners gathered into a pit, and they will be shut up in the dungeon; after many days they will be given attention.”

It is apparent that the “army of the heights above” is in reference to the legions of demons under Satan’s command. Their being taken as prisoners and shut up in a dungeon for many days is in harmony with Revelation.

As regards the future, we may know the future because the future has already been determined, long ago, by someone far wiser and more farsighted than any mere human or demon. God not only foresees and determines the future, but he has also revealed the things to come in prophecy.

The book of Daniel, written five centuries before Jesus came to the earth, consists of a series of visions and dreams that God inspired, as well as direct messages to the prophet from divine messengers, that reveal the historical developments and the behind-the-scenes goings-on that will soon culminate with the climatic coming to power of the Kingdom of Christ and the catastrophic end of all human governments.

But the coming global war will merely be the final battle in an earthly conflict that has spanned more than two millennia. The prophecy in the 11th chapter of Daniel identifies two opposed kings or kingdoms – the king of the north and the king of the south.

Over the span of 24 centuries the dominant power has shifted from one to the other. First the kings of the south dominated, then the kings of the north and back and forth – until the crucial period delineated in prophecy as “the time of the end.”

Contrary to what the Watchtower has stated, during the time of the end the king of the north will subjugate his longtime nemesis and reign supreme – establishing a unipolar world government – the first ever truly global government. That is why there is no mention of the king of the south when Michael stands up against the king of the north. 

The book of Revelation, which is intertwined with the prophecy of Daniel, reveals that this last kingdom will only rule the world for a symbolic one hour, in other words – for a relatively short period of time. Both Daniel and Revelation reveal the short period of time to amount to 1,260 days, or three and one half years.

The final chapter of the long-running historical saga concludes when Michael, the great prince, otherwise known as the Prince of princes, stands up to confront a fierce-looking king, who is also portrayed as the last manifestation of the king of the north. At which point the last king comes to an inglorious end.  These climatic events are in the near future.

But who is this fierce king and the king of the north whom Christ will bring to an end? The truth is, since the publication of the Pay Attention to Daniel commentary in the aftermath of the collapse of the USSR the Watchtower has not had anything to say in revision regarding the prophecies of Daniel. Given the obvious lateness of the hour and the Watchtower’s silence, it behooves thinking Christians to pay all the more attention to Daniel.

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2017-07-22T09:46:53+00:00 July 22nd, 2017|Daniel|361 Comments
  • Cathii D’Anthonii

    Since they are showering chem-trails on us more frequentlywe have been feeling the effects..With a little research we found this has been going on since the 50’s and they recently dropped their elevation..Isaiah 24 saying, “they have bypassed the laws, changed the regulation, broken the indefinitely lasting covenant.”

    • Chem trails are a hoax. All jets put off vapor trails when they are miles up in the atmosphere. It makes no sense that every jet and every airline are part of some grand conspiracy to overspray the earth with some toxic chemical, as if tons of burnt kerosene were not toxic enough. Such nonsensical conspiracies come from the some source as UFO sightings and reptilian shape-shifters and are intended to discredit the real conspiracy of the Anglo Empire to enslave the world.

      Besides, if someone wanted to poison the world, why bother spraying expensive chemicals from miles up? It would be much, much easier to simply poison the food and water and get everyone hooked on toxic pharmaceuticals, which, sadly, is precisely what has happened.

      • KB

        So Robert, I can’t remember if you’ve written on this before so I will ask. With all of the planets out in space, do you believe earth is the only place Jehovah has decided For life forms to occupy? Whats the point of all that creation going on? I’ve always felt like it could be possible myself. The Bible doesn’t say, and there are many unexplained things going on that I hope one day we will know the truth about.

        • There is no way for us to know. Obviously, there is a lot of space out there. And there are evidently planets situated in similar star systems as our earth and all that. Which is not to imply that God is necessarily restricted to creating things within the same physical parameters required by earthly life forms. After all, He could create a race of self-reproducing, methane breathing, fire-spewing, poly-metal skinned Venus de Milos if he wanted to. Like Jesus said, is anything impossible for God?

          Needless to say, though, judging by the sheer multitude of his creations on earth, Jehovah is obviously a prolific Creator. So it seems inconceivable that the Earth would be the only inhabited planet in the entire universe. Like the character said in Contact: “It would be an awful waste of space.” But, it is also possible that earth was the first of God’s physical creation of creatures made in his image. Maybe that is why the angel who became Satan did what he did. Again, who knows?

          On the other hand, maybe there are countless inhabited planets out there. But, if there are then they would have to be in subjection to Jehovah. Otherwise, God would have settled his issues with them first and there would be no need to go through it all again down here.

          Furthermore, if there are physical worlds of intelligent creatures living in perfect harmony with God it is unthinkable that Jehovah would allow them to be flying around in spacecraft in our proximity adding to the cacophony of confusion down here.

          • Richard Long

            I agree, since I don’t have to bet my life on it. Here first. Once the interruptory contamination to the development of mankind has been rectified, then, the sky is the limit, and the sky goes on a fair piece. But that chemtrail stuff… believable, even if not true. Too close to call for me.

            • The Raven

              I have a hard time believing that they would spray us and themselves. They would have to be running around in an NBC suit to avoid the poisons. I knew pilots that joked about this stuff all the time. One told me a crop duster would be the most efficient way to do this and then, he’s apt to be shot down by some angry hillbilly. That stuff was debunked years ago here:
              http://contrailscience.com/how-to-debunk-chemtrails/

            • Richard Long

              I will look at the link, but think it fair to point out I personally never thought that, IF real, poisoning was the purpose. Weather manipulation maybe, poison no. Besides, they’re already poisoning us with fluoridated water, riiiiiiiiiiight?

            • The Raven

              The link I posted goes into a great amount of depth on many subjects touching this issue. I would put my money on simple pollution from power, government and industrial sources. I think the chemtrail story was started by them to discredit folks who tried to hold the big boys accountable for the contaminated sites, rivers, soil in whole towns and sickness and death they caused. They still fight over this.

            • Richard Long

              Very reasonable conclusions.

            • The Raven

              I didn’t know fish expected us to do that! LOL!

            • Richard Long

              ever see one get out of the water to pee?

            • The Raven

              hahaha!

            • Burt Reynolds

              If you think in terms of Jehovah’s food chains, you have your answer, not to mention that our bodies have the best filtration plants known to man. Having said that, I would rather imbibe fish pee…..Chateau Le Thames 1964 was a particularly good year, than the pesticides farmers dump in the waterways for us.

            • Richard Long

              So true, Burt!

            • Burt Reynolds

              What is your plant doing with urea? I thought you were in the motor industry….or is that a comment on the product?

            • Richard Long

              urea is a component of paint

            • Burt Reynolds

              That figures!

            • Richard Long

              Skin repair cream…. Urea, up to 20% by Rx. lol

          • Searcher

            If there is intelligent life on other planets then the issue of universal sovereignty is settled. That makes Jehovah a cruel and harsh God, the complete opposite of how he is depicted in the Bible. Why subject humanity to all this pain and suffering if there is intelligent life worshipping him elsewhere.

            It is as the Bible says, Adam is the first creation in Jehovah’s image in the physical universe. Just mediating on being the first of his intelligent creation is truly humbling and gives us more reason to prove satan a lair. Satan loves the system to be confused as it keeps us distracted from the men behind the curtain and the real issues. Make people believe there are aliens, the earth is flat, reptilian humanoids, fake moon landings, chemtrails, the list goes on. As the English would say, “are you having a laugh”.

            Once this mess is dealt with who knows what Jehovah has planned for us in this big wide universe.

            • The Bible does not say that Adam was the first creation in the universe. We, as earthlings, might be flattered in that assumption, but I don’t necessarily accept that to be true. We simply do not know.

            • Searcher

              Hi Robert, appreciate your reply.
              I think you will see i used the word humble rather than flattered but of cause one can feel a range of emotions to any given situation it all depends on your perspective.

              Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them.

              In my perspective that seems to be a first for Jehovah and Jesus.

            • Yes, you make a good point. But that may have been said simply for human consumption. After all, the Bible was written for us. We cannot say with any authority that we are the first. Maybe we are, maybe we are not.

            • KB

              I agree. If I had the power and ability to create I’d be making planets everywhere just like we see in the universe. Why just create life on one planet when there are billions more out there. I’ll give Jehovah much more credit than that. Maybe Satan doesn’t have the ability to go that far. We just don’t know, but like you said with Jehovah anything is possible.

            • The Raven

              Interesting thought. Personally, I’d be freaking out right now and mad. Flipping through my prints and yelling, “what the hell happened?! How do I fix it and oh you did NOT just do THAT! Yep. I’m so glad I am not omniscient, omnipotent or anything of the sort. I’d be a mess. I’m glad He’s got us cause I’m astonished at what I see sometimes. lol!

            • Jamie Mac

              If I had that kind of power we would be living under kingdom conditions right now

            • Daisy

              Everlasting life is a very long time! For Adam and Eve to fill the earth and subdue it was Jehovah’s purpose , so maybe ( there are lots of maybe’s written in answers here today) at the end of Jesus’s Kingdom rule when the earth is full, there’s a possibility of other planets being inhabited. Robert has written some such i remember. The major reason that the universe is so vast: ‘The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork”. Size, time, space….no problem for the Creator…

            • Bklyn Kevin

              In the beginning was the Word / Jesus, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God.
              (All things came into existence through him,)
              and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
              What has come into existence by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light is shining in the darkness, but the darkness has not overpowered it. John 1:1-5.

              Now If all things came into existence through him, / Jesus
              then Jesus must have been the first to be created by Jehovah.

            • Dr. Moreau

              say good job Einstein and everyone gets it. say the Word was God and everyone goes full retard. guess we should say smooth move LIKE Nimrod, just so everyone gets the concept

            • Burt Reynolds

              True!

            • Daisy

              Universal sovereignty is *already* settled!
              If Jehovah’s sovereignty *was* the issue, wouldn’t Jesus, who came to reveal truth to us, have made mention of it.

              Would he not have taught us to pray for it…something along the lines of Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your sovereignty be vindicated.

              If we use the Wt library we can check how many times the Bible speaks about the vindication of a God’s name. There is not a single mention. In fact, the word “sovereignty” by itself doesn’t appear in the Bible and while the Bible does talk about sanctifying Jehovah’s name, it makes no mention whatsoever of vindicating his sovereignty.

              This premise all leads back to the adoption of the name Jehovah’s witnesses by J Rutherford and first of all, those words were spoken by Jehovah to the ancient nation of Israel, *not* the Christian congregation in the context of the Jews bearing witness to his character: He is the one true God; the only Saviour; the mighty one; the creator and king (vs 10, 11, 13 and 15). Verses 16-20 provide historical reminders of his saving power. Verse 21 shows that Israel was formed to bring praise to him.

              Wt contends that Jehovah set up the nation of Israel as a kind of rival government to satan’s, with a view to showing the true benefit of living under his rulership. What we know from Paul’s writing to the Galatians is the reason a God gives for setting up Israel under the law code.

              ” However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody, looking to the faith that was destined to be revealed.
              Consequently the *law* has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to *faith*. But now that the *faith* has arrived, we are no longer under the tutor. *You* are all, in fact, sons of God through *your* faith in Jesus Christ” (3:23-26)

              The law served to protect the seed mentioned in genesis. It also served as a tutor leading to that seed in Jesus and in short , Israel was formed into a nation as part of God’s way of protecting the seed and ultimately saving HUMANKIND from sin. The bible wasn’t written for just 8million people (give or take).

              Salvation of *all* mankind is the issue.

              Who else could be the universal sovereign other than the Creator of the universe!

            • In Eden Satan did not challenge that God was ruler, he questioned God’s truthfulness, which was intended to draw into question God’s inherent righteousness. The vindication of God’s sovereignty has to do with establishing his righteousness, not merely his right to rule. Ironically, the fact that Jehovah is willing to give someone his throne (Jesus) is the very basis for vindicating his right to rule and the righteousness of his rule.

            • Searcher

              Thanks daisy you have raised an interesting point one i have not considered. I will definitely give your comment serious consideration.

            • Daisy

              Oh! Really! Thank you. I’ve been a bit sad all day thinking I’d said something wrong. Much love Searcher…I’m searching too!

            • Burt Reynolds

              You underestimate yourself.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Flat Earther Baiting is an occasional pass time for me. I write in support of their arguments and tell them how I lived on the edge of the Earth during my youth. I always give a map reference as to where the earths edge is; just North of Watford in England is my favourite, though I do sometimes choose the Steps of Russia. If I get a rebuke, I just tell them that for me, it just makes the world go round.

            • Searcher

              Lol

            • “intelligent life worshipping him elsewhere” = myriads of angels

            • Searcher

              Sorry Dr you have miss quoted me as angels don’t live on planets. Im referring to the physical universe not the spiritual.

            • pifft intelligent life is life. angels visit planets. what you
              want em to have, lungs?
              maybe Jehovah made other
              intelligents from dirt. why not. or maybe from moon light mixed with happy thoughts. we’ll know soon enough

            • Searcher

              Come on Dr everybody knows Snips and snails, and puppy dogs tails, That’s what little boys are made of. Sugar and spice and all things nice, That’s what little girls are made of.

            • maybe there’s a cartoon world o_0
              ya never know

            • do you think the other life youre suggesting make laughing sounds like we do when something is funny or have the abailty to be curious an wonder about something or maybe chew food to live? maybe they see different colors we have never known before

          • Richard Long

            “Furthermore, if there are physical worlds of intelligent creatures living in perfect harmony with God it is unthinkable that Jehovah would allow them to be flying around in spacecraft in our proximity adding to the cacophony of confusion down here.

            Said intelligence would prompt said creatures to quarantine this sector of the galaxy! lol

          • Huldah

            I’ve always believed that earth is the first. The petri dish. The issue is one of universal sovereignty. It would be a bit cruel to set up testing grounds all over the universe when one is sufficient to prove the point. Then I figure the skys the limit (well beyond the sky) once the issue is finalized.

            Agreed aliens are demons. I’m really starting to think Bigfoot is too?lol ( but seriously)

            • Joseph Stephan

              Bigfoot is real, my brother is married to it! ( we refer to it as Sasquach-a large, hairy, bipedal humanoid.) ?????

            • Burt Reynolds

              I never knew we were related! When did your brother marry my sister?

            • Huldah

              Lol I’ve always been kinda partial to Bigfoot myself. Must be ’cause I’m 6ft tall and wear a 10/11 shoe. I’m all hair but thank God 99,9% of it is on my head! Don’t knock big hairy women with large feet! Too funny! Roooaaarrhhrr! (Did that sound like the Bigfoot roar from “Finding Bigfoot” in your head, the way it did in mine?)

            • Joseph Stephan

              Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha, here is a clip of her at the last family gathering. My uncle didn’t believe !

              https://youtu.be/qBFSCbptrJk

            • Huldah

              At least “she” can sit!

            • Burt Reynolds

              That Bigfoot looks just like my brother-in-law. No! Really! He does! Same expression.

            • Jamie Mac

              All I can say is ‘MOUNTAIN MONSTERS’ What a load of rubbish and very entertaining at the same time 🙂

            • Joseph Stephan

              Haha haha, True!
              Mountain hillbillies + moonshine = seeing Bigfoot ??

            • The Raven

              Hahaha! One of my friends had a lot of fun with a camp load one night. Almost got shot, though.

              ghillie suit:
              https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61xtxdYhCGL._SY355_.jpg

            • Joseph Stephan

              Priceless!!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Come and visit England. There is a group of Bigfoot on every street corner wearing a baseball cap back to front. We have aliens running local government and demons in Parliament. God alone only knows what’s in Buckingham palace.

            • Huldah

              Does sound about right for sure!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
              What has come into existence by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light is shining in the darkness, but the darkness has not overpowered it. John 1:1-5.

              In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
              Genesis 1:1-31.

              Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.

              Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/genesis/

            • Burt Reynolds

              Some may argue in the face of those scriptures: whose beginning? The bible was written for us. But regardless of pedantics, I feel we are the first creation because of the spiritual manner in which the solution has been provided to our rebellion.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Just my thoughts…
              What has come into existence by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men.

              Should I go beyond the things that have been written?.
              Others can argue in the face of those scriptures all they want but the fact remains that those scriptures clearly show that Jesus was the very first of Jehovah’s creation and then mankind was the third but through Jesus.

              In the beginning was the Word (Jesus,) and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
              What has come into existence by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light is shining in the darkness, but the darkness has not overpowered it. John 1:1-5.

              Now If all things came into existence through him, ( Jesus) then Jesus must have been the first to be created by Jehovah.

              “What has come into existence by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men.”

              Now what has come into existence secondly by means of him (Jesus) was obviously the angels then mankind.

              So based on these scriptures I believe that Jesus was first to be created and the angels secondly than thirdly mankind.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              a good comment Kevin 🙂
              It is also interesting to see that of all those different types of living creatures mentioned in Bible…mankind is the latest/youngest.

              First of course Jehovah himself the only living that is from eternalty (back in “time”)

              Then he who is known as the very Word whom everything later has been “spoken” into existance.The first of all creation.

              Second all types of heavenly sons

              Third a vast vareity of way lower living creatures…animals of flesh

              Forth humans of flesh

              3 separated groups of living creatures with soul.2 of them in Gods image.Created to stay by their own kind.

              And here we are…amoung the youngest of all living souls .The first, strongest and most valueble of all Jehovah`s creasion has already provided the biggest ransom ever for US?
              And every sigle angels,both good and bad ones are involved in what is going to happen with life of mankind…its hard to grasp the scale of this…
              We are indeed part of and involved in something BIG

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I apologize for not explaining why I considered mankind to be the third of Jehovah’s creation so here I have reworded It for you.

              As we all know animals are not made In Jehovah”s image However we know mankind is so that’s why I classified mankind as third.
              So based on these scriptures I believe that Jesus was first to be created and the angels secondly than thirdly mankind in respect to being made in GOD’s image.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              No need to apologize anything Kevin 🙂
              If somone should apologize ore reword it would be me 🙂
              I forgot to mention the most important of all Jehovah`s creations…
              The 5 group so to speak…(ore the 4`t made in GOD`s image)
              The new creation that is in progress with Jesus Christ as the first and with the 144000 will be put in place in a new high level even abowe angels….its truly amazing 🙂

            • Huldah

              You captured the profoundness of the thought.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              More food for thought.
              This scripture appears to indicate that Adam was created first before the animals.
              Now Jehovah God had been forming from the ground every wild animal of the field and every flying creature of the heavens, and he began bringing them to the man to see what he would call each one; and whatever the man would call each living creature,* that became its name.Genesis 2:19. Read more>https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/genesis/2/#v1002019

            • Arvid Fløysand

              The creation-story is told twise in Genesis.
              First how it would look like from heaven.
              Second how it would look like from a human on earth.
              Gen.2:19 is “seen” from earth.
              There is actually no contradiction between those two 🙂

              But before i say more on this…please tell me this…do you belive Adam was created first and then after that,the animals?….to me it looks like that is what you are indicate…

            • Burt Reynolds

              I would not argue with that point, but lower living creatures I would debate. A different form of life, perhaps, but is not life, life? I view life as a constant, and that it is the body that limits the awareness of it, and even then, our experience of it is unique in many ways. We’re that not so, why would Angels wish to materialise and have relations with men and women? As men and women compliment each other in our experience of the smorgasbord of life, so do the spirit forms, but the quality of life is neither lower or less than the other. Petrol will drive both a Rolls Royce or a Ford ( whatever that may be ).

            • Arvid Fløysand

              “After some time ,Cain brought some fruits of the land as an offering to Jehovah.But Abel brought some firstlings of his flock,including their fat.While Jehovah looked with favor on Abel and on his offering,…”(Gen.4:3,4)
              Why did Abel made offering with animals?
              Be cause they have life….fruit do not have the spirit of life…life is soul..
              If animals had the same value in their soul/life as humans…then it would equal the value of a man and animal-offering would paid the prize for sin….that turned out to not be so …only a offering with same value of life/soul could do.

              The 3 groups of life-forms exist in 3 very differet levels.
              Angels way over humans and animals lowest ….if we do not respect this than we actually break Jehovah`s law …that is just what those fallen angels did…
              Angels are not created with the ability to reproduce …when they saw daugthers of human,they saw the “beauty” of reprodusing themself…than they break the law by crossing lines between levels of creation…with terrible result…those fallen angels back then new a lot more about DNA than we do…maybe they experimented with animals too,ore made humans do so…anyway…at som point humans started to do the horrible act of doing sexual things with animals….those border-lines between life-forms should never ever been crossed in that way…

              Darwinism contains the idea that all lifeforms on earth has same value….life is life…and that humans only is a result evolved out of animal-life….

            • Burt Reynolds

              What then is the difference in the power of life that sustains and animal, or an angel. What is the difference between a human mammal and an animal mammal? A sheep was good enough to sacrifice to Jehovah, it’s blood was of significance during the pass-over, we today, do not eat the blood of an animal due to what it represents. I am not talking about fruit, or brain capacity, insect life or the food-chain. I am simply stating that life is life. It may be that Darwin happenstanced on the facet of consciousness that is in all of us, but he believed it came about by chance. Neither am I speaking of kinds or their faculties, simply that life is a separate entity than that which supports it. The brain: levels of consciousness…..five (known of ) in mankind is a facilitator and a motivator, it is not the force and builds its own experience. Ergo, is a life of any less value because it is disabled and thus not not able to respond to the norm, or is a brain any more worthy because it can translate into mathematics, the workings of an atom? Therefore does reasoning make the difference to the value of life?

              Who then, put a value on life? Life is not worthless because it is housed in an animal less conscious of its existence than we are. What is it about life that makes Jehovah aware of the least if it? A sparrow, that dies and falls to earth. Why were animals given to man to eat only later, and not at creation? And why pour life out out on the ground symbolically, if that life force, that essence of life, does not belong to the life giver and whom should be recognised as such?

              Jehovah created man, and then breathed life into him through his nostrils. Man was special, because he was made in Jehovah’s image and the image is not the life that drives it, but the qualities that such a life can express and adhere to, assess and and equate with its surrounding. And, critically, does the life force return to Jehovah when our body is no longer able to sustain it? It came from Jehovah when he brought Adam to life. The bible indicates that he was not alive when made, else why breath life into it? One might even postulate how Jehovah would resurrect a body. When he resurrected Lazarus, his body was entirely non functioning and rotting, thus to do such a thing, that life and it’s conscious experience had to be re-formed. From where? It is the body and the life experience that dies. Where does the force go? Energy, by the laws of Jehovah himself, does not cease to exist, it just changes form. Heat into light, light into food, food into fat, motion into work, work into products, products into decomposition or heat. All sorts of uses, but it never ceases to exist. Even a dead star draws energy. There is a commonality in all things, the shape, the consciousness, the container; they all recognise Jehovah. How, if some are ‘less than’?

              I think Darwin was correct when he saw the equality of life. In fact the idea of evolution was not new. It had been put forward several thousand years prior to his ‘discovery’, I think by Aristotle. The fact they were wrong on the creation issue does not mean they were entirely wrong about the substance of life. To be sure, I do not rely on my own hypothesis, but I do feel that the value of life is equal in all, but it is the form that carries it, that determines its degree of consciousness. And is that consciousness any less than perfect? Is a perfect response as made, and less perfect than a similar perfect response in one made another way. If there were not perfect, then the balance of life would be destroyed. And how can perfection be of something more in its purpose, than another in another purpose? No. There is a common denominator in all things. I believe it is called life. And that Jehovah gives it to whom he will in equal portion.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Blood represent the life of every living creatures in flesh…animals and humans.
              witch is of higest value?
              Human blood ore animal blood?
              Ore is the blood of animals equal to humans?

            • Burt Reynolds

              Well, I can only suggest you try drinking chicken blood and see what Jehovah thinks of that! Personally I hold life of equal value, and try to preserve it. As I said, it is not a matter of what form it comes in, or the value that is seen in it when it comes in terms of people born with a damaged perception and intelligence. In the 2 WW hitler and his chums were content to kill those with learning disabilities and of different religions. It is clear that he viewed life in categories of aliegence and contribution. We should have as much respect for all living things as we have for ourselves because all life is a gift from God. I am simply trying to make the point that life is life, an independant entity, and thus of equal value to all that have it. Respect for life of any form is an acknowledgement of Jehovah as the life giver. There are countless organisations that protect the life of animals. Their existence, we depend on. Even the manner in which they are slaughtered is protected and the quality of their life beforehand. The American Indians were generally aware of the same thing and acknowledged the life of the animal for their own survival. We would not survive but for the honey bee;, the digestive microbe; bacteria and so on ad infinitum and we should not look upon humble animals as any less important than ourselves, as we ourselves are not important; we are, as Jehovah rightly points out, ‘dust upon the scales’. I suppose the greatest example of such is our own reproduction, as in all mammals. We are procreated by a life form, that you need a microscope to see, has no emotion, no thought processes, cannot communicate, yet carries the most valuable commodity known to man, and the very substance that will support our thinking. We don’t make it, we pass it on from ourselves that are living. Man….dog…..same thing. ‘I shall praise you Jehovah for we are awe-inspiringly made’. The ultimate test I suppose it to create life that is not already yours and that has been passed down from generation to generation, and see if it of less value!

            • Arvid Fløysand

              I see you avoid to answer my question…

            • Burt Reynolds

              I thought I replied to it directly! What part did I miss out?

            • Arvid Fløysand

              This was about the difference in value of animal-life and human-life.

              Do you agree that blood=life?

              yes ore no? 🙂

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes of course. The bible says that the life of the being is ‘*within*’ the blood. My point precisely. And so following on from that, if the life is in the blood, how much more should we respect the entity it inhabits and its awe inspiring creation?

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Do you belive there is a differense of value in blood from animals and humans?

            • Teleologist

              The Watchtower teaches that life being in the blood means that blood represents life not that blood is life. If blood is life does that mean if you destroy a pint of blood you have committed murder?

            • Arvid Fløysand

              If you read all my comments on this abowe,than you will see for yourself that i have not said that blood is life…you look at one little sign i put in there (=) and transleate it to be the word :is…
              Im in fact agree on what the WT teaches about blood…but more important is and will alwayes be what the Bilde sayes 🙂
              Leviticus 17:11 :”For the life of the flesh is in the blood,and i myself have given it on the altar for you to make atonment for yourselves,because it is the blood that makes atonment by means of the life in it.”

              And thank you for making me aware of how the sign = made that comment of mine be so easyly misunderstood when thaken out of contexst with my other comments on this topic…ill fix it right away 🙂

            • The Raven

              Hi Arvid. Are you speaking of the life inherent or as to sacrificial value?

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Hi..read the comments abowe…if blood that represent the life itself is equal ether it comes from a animal ore a human…than how is it that animal blood did not have that value that was needed to buy humans free from sin?
              There is a big difference in value between human life/blood and animal life/blood.
              What kind of blood did Jesus returned back to heaven with?
              Was it the high value of his own human blood/life?
              Ore was it blood/life of animals?
              Why could not the Mosaic-law with all the millions of blood/life offerings pay for one single human life?
              If anymal blood/life is equal and have same value as human blood/life…than it is the same as saying that Jesus ransom by giving up his own life/blood was not needed…
              ore that a animal life/blood would be of same value as Jesu blood….is it really hard to understand the most basic truth?

            • The Raven

              I did read the comments above and it did not nail it down as you just did. That’s why I asked that specific question. We all know the value of Christs’ blood. I think Burt is speaking more to life itself in general. IMO.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Well if Burt are speaking of life in general…then where in the Bible is there any support for the idea that life on earth is separated from blood…blood =life in humans and animals.
              Is life in general something else than what is represented by blood?
              I belive Burt do not agree that animals are like i said “way lower creatures than humans”.
              the value of a life on earth is” meeted ” by the value of blood…
              Animal blood/life could only “pay” for sin ,not for life,.
              If the life of a animal had same value as a life of a human,then Jehovah`s law,a life for a life,would say that if a man killed his nighbours bull than he should pay with his own life?
              No.the law said he should give a bull for the lost/killed bull…
              But if a man killed another man,then what?pay with a bull?
              No.same value…not less….a man for a man…i know you see this…

              If we are not able ore willing to see the difference in value of human life and animal life,than we are making a big mistake similar to those in ancient days who gave honor to animals and statues of animals and kneeled down to them…
              Why was Adam given autority to rule over all the animals ?
              Does not that indicate that humans is placed in a level over animals?

            • The Raven

              I think I see what you mean. That was the way I read his comment. It appears you both acknowledge the sanctity of life but view it as having different value. I’m not sure Burt does agree with that but I’ll see what he says about it. Thanks for elaborating. 🙂

            • Teleologist

              You ask what kind of blood did Jesus return back to heaven with? He didn’t return to heaven with any blood since he
              was a spirit. What Jesus returned to heaven with and presented to Jehovah was the value of his perfect human life that he sacrificed to redeem the human race.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Maybe you would like to show me the scriptual evidence for what you telling me and than i will do the same…ok? 🙂

            • Teleologist

              You need scriptural evidence that when Jesus went back to heaven he was a spirit? What kind of blood do you claim Jesus returned to heaven with?

            • Arvid Fløysand

              It is not really me but you who need to back up what you are trying to enlighten others with scriptual evidence…as soon as you are able to do so…i will answer in the same manner :-)…ill be waiting right here 🙂

            • Joseph Stephan

              Ohhh goodness, he slithered back in, who left the barn door opened?

            • Arvid Fløysand

              I belive he came just because of the blood issue…ok with me as long as he are willing to back up what he sayes,with scriptures…well see 🙂

            • The Raven

              Lemme guess…there’s a backstory to this too?

            • Joseph Stephan

              Yup ” The Blood Teleologist”, kinda like a pesky Mosquito .

            • The Raven

              Blood and mosquitoes? The heck with it. I’m staying out of this one. Have fun, Arvid!
              😉

            • Burt Reynolds

              Ha ha. Like it. Though he did say something right!

            • Teleologist

              You asked what kind of blood Jesus returned to heaven with. I replied that Jesus didn’t return to heaven with any kind of blood as he was a spirit and a spirit doesn’t have blood. If I am wrong then explain why.
              . .

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Explain this : “He entered into the holy place,not with the blood of goats and of young bulls,but with his own blood…….”(Hebrews 9:12)
              i give this scripture to you to start with…and if you would like any discussion with me it has to be based on scriptures….ok?

            • Teleologist

              1Co 15:50 says: “flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom”.
              It is a Watchtower teaching that
              you can’t get into heaven with a physical body. Only spirits exist in heaven.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              True…and by this we are getting somwere..to start with you had a problem with me because i asked what kind of blood Jesus entered into heaven with.

              The case is that you have the tendesy to take a smaller portion of a comment out of the context its written in.If you do that on purpose,than your intensions are not good at all.But ofcourse any one can overlook and do such mistakes,ive done and do so myself sometimes.

              The contexst of my original comment was:”What kind of blood did Jesus returned back to heaven with?
              Was it the high value of his own human blood/life?
              Ore was it blood/life of animals? “.

              Do you see the big difference?
              In this contexst i was and still talk in the way it is written in Gods own word…i am not the one who goes beond what is written…you are.
              In this comment you can see clearly that i say…”the high VALUE of his own human blood/life”

              I will continue to use Gods own words from the Bible to express myself…therfore i stand for what you can read in my comments…as long as you read it according to the contexst it`s written in 🙂

              “For the life of the flesh is in the blood” (Leviticus 17:11)

              And now it is my turn to ask you a question…can blood cry?

            • This is so absurd. You are going to have to pack up and take this nonsense somewhere else.

            • Teleologist

              All I am arguing is that Jesus has a spirit and not a physical body as he exists in heaven. What do you find absurd about that?

            • Burt Reynolds

              That’s true. It was a life for a life and the life is in the blood. Symbolic. Representation of the Devine right.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I think Arvid and I have been talking at cross points. My view is simply based on the biblical respect for life. I do not hold the view that life is of any less value in terms of what it is, in any creature, and that given the manner in which Jehovah breathed life into his creation, ergo, Adam did not come to spontaneous life just because he was made able to support it. It had to be added. Our image physically, cannot be of God. He is a spirit. Therefore our image must be ethereal. Consciousness, love. Hunger for instance is bodily, physical. Thus I suppose, I’m not sure, that Arvid’s view includes the bodily form also, whereas I see life and body as separate. Having said that, Jehovah gave us animals to eat, but the biblical issue of blood and what it represents remained. But then, taken to extremes, life also exists in a blade of grass and we mow that regularly! But without the life cycle, we would not be able to sustain our lives. Even the inanimate sustains our life. Everything on the planet lives and it is possible that the only inequality we humans see, is of our own making. It is true to say as Arvid seems to be in agreement with, that we as humans have the ultimate sense of what happens, but where we may part is in the fact that such is only because we have the utensils to do so, but that in my view, life is the constant. We are biblically given to command the life of those who do not experience life as we do, but that does not in itself, diminish the entity of life. We are not the life giver. But really Raven, it hardly matters what I think does it! My thought is simply in appreciation, rather than solid fact. A musing over a cup of tea and a slice of Battenburgh cake!

            • The Raven

              I was confused as to what each of you were discussing. You seemeed to be on different avenues. That’s why I asked if this was about life inherent or the value of a sacrifice. But… you were a step further than I knew. It was an interesting conversation and I was intrigued by both your responses. Thanks for giving me more details on this matter.
              Looks like these talks attracted someone else’s attention as well! 😉

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yep. It’s surprising what comes out of the woodwork from a trivial conversation.

            • The Raven

              I think a number of gems dropped out of that one. It had me wondering about things I hadn’t considered. Thank you and Arvid for that.

            • The Raven

              I wish I had stuck with something simple like cake this afternoon. My niece introduced me to sushi. It’s quite good! I made one mistake, though. I mistook wasabi sauce for avocado, slathered it on the sushi and ate it before she could warn me.
              I feel this is going to hurt for days.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              A glass of milk will fix your stomac 🙂 …(unless you have milk-intolerance tho hehe)

            • The Raven

              Thanks, Arvid. I try that now. I worry my problem may be also beyond the stomach, though. ugh! I had no idea how hot that stuff was. Good, but five alarm hot! It did clear my sinuses. After it burned them of course. I don’t see how she does it! That child can eat habaneros and ghost peppers like nothing to it! Hahaha!

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Is that what you americans call a hot girl 😉

            • The Raven

              hahaha! She’s a good girl! She’s 20 and a very intelligent young lady. She and her brother (29) both live at my house. They are my brother’s kids. One other is married and has a little boy. Brother and I both widowers after 19 years marriage . He ten years ago. I three years ago.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              I hope to see all of you “on the other side” one day 🙂
              To me it sounds like you are taking good care of each other…family is important

            • The Raven

              I’m glad mine all know the truth and all support each other. There are only me, my brother, his three children and his one grand child. They are all I have in this world. The rest are all passed. All of us have a number of reasons to make it to the other side. I hope to see those here as well. God willing and I know I am! 🙂

            • Joseph Stephan

              Haha haha haha haha haha haha haha,
              (Brick House)

            • The Raven

              She happens to be beautiful. The boys she went to school with always loitered around her when I, my nephew or my brother came to pick her up. She is outspoken and has a very straightforward approach when needed but she is also very considerate of people’s feelings. She seems to have an understanding of things well beyond her years. Her mother was just like her. But, like me and her father…she hates to do the dishes. lol

            • Richard Long

              The shaved ginger on your plate would have helped a lot!

            • The Raven

              I ate that too! Pickled ginger. I was trying to put the fire out. I drank a bottle of water and I got a glass of milk as Arvid said. That did help. Now…I wait for the fallout. LOL!
              Oh man! I will never mistake that stuff again!

            • Richard Long

              Don’t call it dragon paste for nothing! lol

            • The Raven

              I didn’t know that. Good name for it!
              They’re both standing here with smirks on their faces that say, “wus”. lol

            • Burt Reynolds

              I had some wasabi coated peanuts once. They seemed to taste as though the cat had been looking after them for some time. Not very fiery though.

            • The Raven

              Well, that paints a fine picture! lol

            • Burt Reynolds

              I love sushi, but it’s an expensive hobby. Those inscrutable Japanese took the English expectation of being given nothing for a lot of money and exploiting it!

            • The Raven

              Very expensive here too. A small tray cost almost ten dollars. It’s not something I can afford regularly but a nice treat once in a while.

            • Huldah

              Nice scriptural reasoning. Makes sense to me.

            • Burt Reynolds

              That’s true!

          • Burt Reynolds

            I came to pretty well the same conclusion that we are the first, in that Satan would have disrupted the course of development and also, that Jehovah only has one son to give and its inconceivable that he would not put himself forward as the legitimate sacrifice. As you say, it only has to be done the once. I have always held the view that once this matter is settled, there will be other creations and the technology to explore the universe will be both possible and natural in terms of energy and mathematics to do so. Besides which, if we were created perfect in terms of brain power and relationship values with Jehovah, then would there be a need to create a poly-metal skinned Venus de Milo? One thing for sure is that if there are perfect beings out there, they will be naked, as in Eden, which provides an answer as to why aliens are always portrayed so by Hollywood. It has always been a source of wonderment to me that aliens can invent warp drive, but not trousers.

          • Christian Obadiah

            The following is an excerpt from an Awake! article showing the reasoning of the Watchtower. Do you agree with it Brother King?

            *** g90 4/8 pp. 9-11 Extraterrestrials—Finding the Answer ***

            What About Life on Other Planets?

            Some influential religious figures have insisted that God would not create any world without purpose and that all habitable worlds must therefore be inhabited. Is that what the Bible says? No. The Bible indicates that it is very unlikely that God at this point has created intelligent physical creatures on any planets other than our own. How so?

            If God did create such beings, he did so before he created Adam and Eve. Such beings either remained faithful to their Creator, or like Adam and Eve, they sinned and fell into imperfection.

            But if they became imperfect, they needed a redeemer. As one essayist put it: “One has this dreadful thought that on Friday [the day Jesus Christ was executed], every Friday, somewhere in the universe Jesus is being hanged high for someone’s sins.” But that is not Scriptural. The Bible tells us that Jesus “died with reference to sin once for all time.”—Romans 6:10.

            What if these beings had remained perfect? Well, when Adam and Eve sinned, they were, in effect, questioning God’s right to rule over a world of intelligent physical beings. If another planet existed at that time, a world full of intelligent physical beings who were living harmoniously and loyally under God’s rule, would they not have been called in as witnesses to testify that God’s rule does indeed work? This conclusion seems inescapable, since he has already used even imperfect humans as witnesses in his behalf on that very issue.—Isaiah 43:10.

            Does that mean, then, that God created all those countless millions of suns (and planets if they exist) for no purpose? Not at all. While we know, considering the uniqueness of Jesus Christ, that the earth is the only inhabited planet in the universe right now, and while we know, too, that it will forever stand unique as the planet where the Creator vindicated the rightfulness of his rulership, what the future holds we do not know.

          • im sure that the tree of knowledge wasnt just placed there without foreknowledge of what would happen and need to be done to restore peace and God’s creation

            • The Raven

              Hmm interesting statement. What would happen or could happen?

            • ive said it before. the talk of creation just reminded me. its not like Jehovah didnt know what was possible.
              that would defeat the purpose of placing the tree there. even his spirit sons could defy him and thats what happened with that tree. why was it called the
              tree of knowledge? idk but
              we know Satan sure turned out bad along with other sons, mankind and the earths situation. its not like Jehovah wouldnt know what would be done beforehand if that happened, and it did, so the the mesure with his first born was taken to solve the issue

      • Joseph Stephan

        The Flat Earth is a Hoax,
        The Alian Deception is a Hoax,
        The Reptilian Shape-Shifters is a Hoax,

        With all due respect, Chemtrails are real
        All jets may not be equipped, but it’s real!

        https://youtu.be/STEtkZR0iao

        • Richard Long

          Right, JS! Just because we’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get us!?

          • True, and even if you are not paranoid, that doesn’t mean they are not out to get you either.

            • Richard Long

              Was just commenting to a co-worker re your tweet with linked article about 20 diseases. The leader of Germany and her peers are evidently TRYING to reduce popuations NOW!

            • Hey, it worked for the colonialist a few hundred years ago. (Not they they had any idea of the viral load they were carrying when they disembarked) But smallpox and what-have-you?, wiped out millions of people in the Americas and the islands, wherever Europeans went. That’s why I said “what comes around goes around.” Or, call it “blowback”?

            • Burt Reynolds

              Well this must be some kind of madness, because chancellor or not, she and her government will be affected. Same with chemtrails or whatever it is they are doing, same with nuclear fallout. The only solution is to die now before it’s too late!

            • Richard Long

              Perhaps, but I would imagine Mrs Merkel and co. THINK they have the matter in hand, and it cannot possibly blow up in their faces.

        • I watched most of the video. Sorry, but the “expert” doesn’t seem to know what he is talking about. Neither does James Corbett.

          First, every jet that flies in the upper atmosphere leaves a vapor trail. Everyone ought to know that, but photos of all atmospheric vapor trails are passed off as proof of chemtrails: “look, up in the sky. It is a cloud! It’s a plane! No, it is a chemtrail!” And that is presented as proof?

          Secondly, the photos in the video of tanker planes dropping water are equated to chemtrails. Come on! That’s pretty hokey.

          Furthermore, supposedly the CIA has been doing the chemtrail thing for over 60 years, but James Corbett runs off the rails speculating that the airplanes spewing out weather modification chems are pilotless drones. Aren’t drones a recent invention?
          And are we to assume that there are thousands of drones cross-crossing the sky everyday just spewing out chems? More insanity.

          What is more, the global warming scare is a relatively new thing, seized upon as a reason to de-industrialize, which is a necessary precursor to depopulation. But why would the agencies of genocide want to prevent the very global warming hoax they promote?

          Sorry, I ain’t buying it.

          • Joseph Stephan

            Here is a better video of more proof, their definitely doing something…….

            https://youtu.be/uuFY7h-Xfc4

            • Nah, I don’t have an hour and a half to blow right now. But, I don’t doubt “they” are doing “something” – just not chemtrails.

            • if outbreak by man-made disease is an agenda of the powers that be to depopulate the masses, drones would be an ideal way

        • Richard Long

          Re: reptilian shapeshifters… I DO have this ONE boss…. lol

          • Joseph Stephan

            So do most married women! ????

            • Richard Long

              Careful you don’t fall off the top of Daisy’s sweetest list! lol

            • Burt Reynolds

              It’s easily done. I don’t know if it’s worth carrying on after being stricken from Daisy’s Sweetypie List. Where does one go! ? When I was in the states, I made an unforgivable cultural error. I turned down an offer of home made apple pie made by the lady of the house. I would have been thrown out of the country if she could. I guess that the same is true with Daisy. There is just no comeback. I’m doomed. Doom Defeat and Dispair as Shakespeare uttered. I have been bound with a Daisy Chain and flung into the abyss.

            • Richard Long

              If in the southern US, you were offered “Apple Pie” by the lady of the house, you might have unknowingly turned down cinnamon infused moonshine, which would have doubled both the insult and the tragedy in lost cultural exchange to yourself! lol

            • Burt Reynolds

              Sounds good! (The moonshine, not getting disfellowshipped from America! )

            • Daisy

              Hahaha! First laugh of the day!
              Its the way you tell ’em Burt!

            • Joseph Stephan

              Nah, she has a great sense of humor!

            • Jamie Mac

              Did she use one of those new fangled diets to loose weight in 3 hours or your money back.
              I have been trying to shift some of my tummy fat for years. 🙂

            • Joseph Stephan

              If you lay down flat on your back, you will get a flat tummy.
              Haha haha haha haha haha haha haha haha haha haha haha haha haha

            • Daisy

              Have you thought of a gastric band Jamie? Looks like you play guitar, so being in the business it should be easy to form one. Personal question I know , but are you really Paul Mac 😉

            • Jamie Mac

              Hi Daisy, he he you have such a good sense of humour. Of course in my dreams I am Paul Mac, all that talent he has. A wonderful gift from Jehovah to be able write tunes like has has and still does.

        • Burt Reynolds

          It’s true! I leave chemtrails wherever I drive my car. It’s a known fact. The only contrary thing I find to the arguement, is that everyone gets sprayed, even those that do it, or order it to be done. It can’t just be vapour trails as water vapour and/or exhaust do not disperse in the same manner as the particulate is so light and dispersal can be seen to take place in a relatively short time. The heavier metal based particulate from chemical dumping, is suspended in the water vapour within the atmosphere and thus hangs there for hours and thus conglomerates to form a layer. We had a spray over here a week ago, unusual for us and it resulted in the largest electrical storm I have ever seen, lasting hours, sheet lightening so frequent the sky was lit up for five seconds at a time, sometimes more. That might be more common in the states but here with the mild weather we get, it just doesn’t happen. Hardly any rain either. But it matter not in the great scheme of things. Give me chemtrails over nuclear fallout any day. Either way it’s going to affect us. The ills of tomorrow will take care of themselves. Today, we are alive.

          • Joseph Stephan
            • Burt Reynolds

              To be straightforward Joseph, the photographs of vapour trails are such that it would be illegal to fly so close, or cross commercial flight pathways, if these were ordinary flights. The fact that they crisscross at the same altitude represents a planned purpose, of which, chemical infusion of the atmosphere is the most feasible. There are lots of gaps in the theory as Robert points out, but I do not feel they weigh heavily against said evidence for this horror (though to be fair, he has lived in England and so would have been liberally exposed to a terminal degree in our cultural cynicism in the first few weeks of arriving here. There is no cure). Chemtrails are certainly a lot more prevailing in the states than it is here to be sure, but the issue has made the public domain in the last year.

              My thinking on the matter sways between disbelief of the evidence, and the issues of society teetering on the brink as Robert points out. If it were scaled down, would the head of a household be concerned if his children were so deep in debt they could not get out of it….ever, and his wife is poisoning the atmosphere at home by spraying cleaners and bleach and pesticides all over house through sprinklers on the ceiling? Grandpa is out dealing drugs on the street and father is taking back handers from hoods to pass building regulations at the council, while auntie is planning mass murder by a dirty nuclear bomb in the neighbourhood! That is not so far from the truth in your country and mine. On a worldwide basis, it cannot be ignored. But then on the other hand, I think surely it cannot be that bad. But then, I was taught a salutary lesson when I was a kid of 17 in the army, and that was that A), there is no moral limit to the depths that people will sink, no depth to their ignorance, no depth to their seeking to satiate base, depraved desires, and no depth to their ignorant cruelty. More frightening still, is their lack of conscience and control. Thus it is that it is of no difficulty for me to believe that politicians would happily poison their own air for gain. After all, sad to say, mankind is the only animal that soils his own nest.

              The only hope we have is that Jehovah is true to his word, and in that we can have faith…..but I wish Robert would not be so glib in saying that if the end were not close he wouldn’t be doing his watchman gig. It’s unsettling!

            • Burt Reynolds

              ‘I shall bring to ruin, those ruining the earth’ says Jehovah.

        • Dr. Moreau

          they should spray LSD over everone. that was a plane in the past

        • Dr. Moreau
          • Joseph Stephan

            Hi DA,
            Yup, all to Fermiliar with government experiments of drafted US service men.
            (Numerous human radiation experiments have been performed in the United States, many of which were funded by various U.S. government agencies[3] such as the United States Department of Defense and the United States Atomic Energy Commission.) Most of my dad’s fellow Korean war men all died young of unsuspected illnesses. Including my dad, 20 years after the war leaving behind a wife and 11 kids. So you could say I’m not a fan of our disgusting government. Oh and guess what, they refused to release his service records.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Eleven?! Sorry to hear about your dad. My aunt had a similar experience sitting in front of an unshielded radar tube for the duration of the war. Died of bone cancer.

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    Dear Robert.
    In the last three hundred years Nations have been rising against nation and Kingdom against Kingdom.. There have been food shortages in one place after the other as well as pestilence and even massive earthquakes, plagues 50s and 60s just a point to a large plague in the United States again 1875 nearly three-quarters of the United States was envelop in a plague of locusts that covered the sky so thick you couldn’t see the sun, some people tried to wave the Locust away from their crops and their clothes were literally eating from their flesh, followed by severe famine and the list goes on and on even worldwide. then the two great Wars.. if all of that means nothing why has there been a relative world of peaceful conditions all this time, and why would Satan even want that, what was the purpose for that? The point is all this has been going on for centuries with no let-up in sight! Even today reading gobs of information on the internet about the looming Wall Street Crash this fall.Is it entirely possible there may be one or two more crashes before Christ comes to settle things? Isn’t it even possible we may grow old and die in this system? Your thoughts greatly appreciated.

    • I venture to say that you personally have never experienced war or famine or pestilence or earthquakes where you live. Have you personally been affected by any of these things, ever? If you live in America, you have never experienced war. Wars are something you may have heard about in some far away land. Or you may have seen images of starving children while you are eating, watching tv. Still, you have never experienced such things.

      It seems obscene to me, to claim, as Jehovah’s Witnesses do, that we have been living through wars, famines and pestilence all these years. It is ridiculous.

      • Richard Long

        And you’ve already covered SCALE plenty of times… A quarter of the earth, a third of the sea…All flesh unless…

      • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

        Ive experience plenty of earthquakes. I have seen pestilence and famine on a wide scale as I have traveled the world personally experienced debilitating infection and hunger many times but not on a long-term basis. I’ve seen this with my own eyes I have witnessed it throughout my travels, just because the United States seems to be oblivious to what’s going on I assure you the world knows what’s going on, sadly the United States lives under a bubble of ignorance and stupidity.. thank for your reply. But you fail to answer my questions, rest assured there’s no absurdity in anything I asked you…

        • Well, it is possible, but I don’t think it is very likely that the system is going to go on much longer. If I did I would not be wasting my time doing this watchman gig.

          Everything indicates to me that the world situation is at a great tipping point. The hysteria in the US media over Trump supposedly colluding with Russia is really just a manifestation of the desperation of the City of London to prevent any sort of alliance between the US and Russia and China. The Empire will plunge the world into total war before it allows Russia and China to dominate the world, which is inevitable given the present trend. And the whole Western financial system is based upon one gigantic pile of unpayable debt. Needless to say that is an unsustainable situation too.

          I would expect some sort of Middle East peace deal to be arranged first, so the scripture can be fulfilled “whenever it is they are saying ‘peace and security,'” and then the whole thing will fall apart. Might happen later this year or 2018.

      • Dr. Moreau

        reading and seeing images about the U.S. civil war is so
        horrendous. i can only imagion how horrifying Jehovah’s day will be.
        reading about any war
        you find humans are so
        sick and demonic. nothing
        rightous about it. hate thinking about it and i just dont get how people could be so wicked and carless.

        he said dont harm the oil and wine so i take it those making peace and praying will find a way through it

  • Richard Long

    Robert, obviously it is POSSIBLE, as all things are for Jehovah, that Christ and co. can complete Armageddon and be back in heaven for “evening ” assembly, so to speak. Do you have any thoughts or expectations surrounding the “Day of Judgement”? Might the battle of Armageddon run its course in a single, literal earth day?

  • The Raven

    Excerpt:
    “Contrary to what the Watchtower has stated, during the time of the end the king of the north will subjugate his longtime nemesis and reign supreme – establishing a unipolar world government – the first ever truly global government. That is why there is no mention of the king of the south when Michael stands up against the king of the north. ”
    This paragraph says a lot!
    I must have dug through a mountain of your articles (thanks, Kevin!) while I was wrangling around with the identity of the players through this all. I found some very detailed descriptions and some surprises. Thanks!

  • Ken Rosenberg

    Robert, have you considered Nimrod in your writings yet? He tried to start the first world government after all, and look what Jehovah did to him. It seems this has been Satan’s plan since day one.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Divine Purpose

      Excerpt:
      Not long after the major part of the floodwaters had dried off from the earth Satan quickly fomented another rebellion among mankind. Impelling Nimrod – who is described in Genesis as a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah – the Devil sought to organize a religio-political apparatus to facilitate his control over the reemerging world at that time. Nimrod led an effort to build a great tower with its top in the heavens – the infamous Tower of Babel. The tower was undoubtedly intended to serve as an overawing temple and center for worship of the unseen demonic spirits. Read more>
      https://e-watchman.com/jehovahs-witnesses-divine-purpose/

      Read a lot more> Search results for: nimrod.
      https://e-watchman.com/?s=nimrod

    • Dr. Moreau

      Robert’s pointed out that unlike the time of Nimrod and the tower, this time Jehovah will allow their short lived NWO

  • Anderiega

    Interesting commentary on Daniel. Right now Jehovah’s witnesses are “studying” Ezekiel in our midweek meeting. (Chapters 21-25 this week) It’ll be interesting to see how DANIEL goes in a few weeks. Comments in the congregation are limited to ONLY “FDS endorsed references” which lends to a very superficial discussion. Oh well….the situation was the same in the first century when Jesus was on Earth…. seeing the crowds spiritually starving and confused. Heck, I’m still confused and I’m not confined to only WOL! Just reading my Bible and waiting for tomorrow………?

    • Daisy

      Get ready to celebrate your birthday if you come across Jehovah riding his ” celestial chariot” during your “study”as you won’t find that in the bible, since all references to God riding in a chariot are pagan… Just like the two people in the bible who died on their birthdays and birthdays are considered to be pagan in origin to jws.
      In my day we were taught to believe one and not to believe the other. Its no wonder we’re all confused.

      • That is hilarious.

        • Daisy

          What is…did I get something wrong…Help!
          Remember, I was very young when I studied Ezekiel

      • Richard Long

        “since all references to God riding in a chariot are pagan.”

        Please, Daisy, was there a specific definition or set of definitions I might use to shape my thinking on your whole comment? Are you simply pointing out WT overreach?

        pagan
        [pey-guh n]
        Spell Syllables
        Word Origin
        See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
        noun
        1.
        (no longer in technical use) one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks.
        2.
        a member of a religious, spiritual, or cultural community based on the worship of nature or the earth; a neopagan.
        3.
        Disparaging and Offensive.
        (in historical contexts) a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim; a heathen.
        an irreligious or hedonistic person.
        an uncivilized or unenlightened person.
        adjective
        4.
        of, relating to, or characteristic of pagans.
        5.
        Disparaging and Offensive.
        relating to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim.
        irreligious or hedonistic.
        (of a person) uncivilized or unenlightened.

        • Daisy

          Honestly I don’t understand a word you’ve said. Comments coming at me like akak fire whatever its called. I need to keep calm and drink tea.
          I used to get my info from WT but not lately as its a load of codswallop. Back in my day, one used to leave the kh feeling euphoric but these days you enter feeling u-forrit.

          • Richard Long

            All references to God riding on a chariot are pagan.. A) always, whoever makes them?; B) in the instances of the WT referring to the object Ezekiel envisioned as a “celestial chariot”?; C) something else I failed to grasp?

            • Daisy

              Yes. Something like that Richard. . .erm. . . excuse me, but I need a gin & tonic, a large one…and I’m not a drinker.

              I’m trying to reply to Searcher and keep getting interrupted, the phone, the bell, the dog, “when’s dinner” no wonder I don’t make sense…

            • Joseph Stephan

              Deep breath, deep breath, sweetie! ( next time yell across the room- MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN DINNER) ; )

            • Burt Reynolds

              Jehovah does not drive a chariot. As far as I understand it, the governing body drive luxury Fords.

            • Richard Long

              A luxury Ford is called a “Lincoln” lol

            • KB

              Yes, and I hear Rutherford had two new 1930 Cadillacs during the Great Depression. Great use of dedicated funds.

            • Richard Long

              For fairness, I think those autos were gifted specifically to him by wealthy brothers, as opposed to acquired with misused donations a la Beth Sarim. But, in the height of the great depression while many went hungry… truly bad form for sure!

            • Joseph Stephan

              One trunk was full of Cigars and the other trunk was full of Whiskey ! Bible was on the dashboard, kinda like the way I roll ! Hahaha hahaha

            • KB

              True, I have heard he enjoyed his whiskey and cigars. I’m not much on ? myself but a good cigar ain’t bad I’ve heard.

            • Daisy d

              WTO uses the expression “celestial chariot” to represent Jehovah’s heavenly organisation which we’re privileged to get a view of, which in turn should build jws appreciation for being part of his earthly organisation; so …maybe wto overreach, as nowhere in the bible is Jehovah depicted riding a celestial chariot.

              Jehovah’s Celestial Chariot on the move (w91 3/15 p.12 par 19) The eyes all around the wheels of God’s chariot indicate alertness. Just as the heavenly organisation is alert, so we must be alert to support Jehovah’s earthly organisation. On a Congregational level, we can show that support by cooperating with the local elders.

              Here’s a couple of links you can sink your teeth into should you wish.

              en.wikipedia.org/wiki/solar_deity

              http/www.ufoinfo.com/news/ezekielswheels.shtml

              Agreed…wt overreach

            • Burt Reynolds

              Call me Mr. Cynic, but I thought the primary way to show support for the organisation within the congregational level was by giving money and that the elders supported us, not we them, for they are mature and knowledgable, leading the way, dropping in unannounced to shepherd and tell us how lacking we are in faith. I wonder if a lowly congregation member ever goes to shepherd an elder, and if they did, what would be their reaction?

            • at least you know how to use a computer. why many people your age dont idk. they’r older and should know better being around during its earlier beginings. i guess its the set in ways deal.

              reminds me of a joke.
              1985: i hope we have flying cars in the future.
              2017: i just bought a fidget-spinner for my cat

              0_o

            • “nowhere in the bible is Jehovah depicted riding a celestial chariot”.

              he plays golf though – https://plus.google.com/photos/photo/111007045359925933670/5994707906557352258?icm=false

            • The Raven

              Hahaha!

            • Daisy

              Hahaha! See you’re catching up on the comments on your price of a cup of coffee phone!?
              Gulp! Eternity is a long time for you to perfect the perfect swing. Swing low, sweet chariot lol

            • Joseph Stephan

              Hay , he’s sitting in my easy〰️chair enjoying my beer〰️tap ! Sweet?

        • Burt Reynolds

          You old pey-guh n you! In England you would be called a Pay-gun, and which can be termed as complimentary, ( if you are a hippy or go to Stonehenge at the summer solstice) or referring to ill mannered or poorly educated. Politicians are thought of as pagans, along with the Archbishop of Canterbury. The same goes for heathen. (Few in England know the difference). In religious terms, the worst thing you can call a person is a Jehovah’s Witness. Not to have in a religion is de rigueur. One can go to church in England and not even be sneered at for believing in God. (So long as you don’t mention God). Just to amaze you….this is true…..my youngest daughter has to go to church every Sunday, for a year, so that she can get her daughter into a Church of England school. Not that Church of England schools are any differently from state run schools, or have a religious curriculum. They are just better educationally and there are no knives or guns. ( those come later at secondary school). After the priest confirms that my daughter attends regularly, and her daughter is admitted to the school, she doesn’t have to attend the church anymore and there’s nothing anyone can do. The church knows it. The school knows it. They just hope they will still attend church! ‘Having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power .’

        • Daisy

          I forgot the word mythology after the word pagan….see what you mean now!

      • Burt Reynolds

        It’s one of those watchtower paradoxes. When I came into the watchtower, I was told No Birthdays. It’s elevating someone with attention. You can have a gift any day, it does not need to be special. So in all my years as a witness, I never celebrated my birthday and I NEVER got a random gift from my family or anyone, least of all my pious, generous sister and her dutiful elder husband. So the watchtower should just say that if you join, say goodbye to any gift. It was okay to celebrate anniversaries though (wedding). What’s a birthday if it is not an anniversary? Could not someone just have left me an anonymous present with a note on it saying ‘remember not to think more of yourself than necessary?’ Even getting back on the list of Daisy’s sweetypies would do.

        • Craig Knight

          Burt – The problem is we ex JW’s have forgotten how to use our own conscience on Birthday’s and other things because we were always told what to do or not to do. So we have to learn to use our conscience on our own backed up by our knowledge of scripture of course..

        • The Raven

          We celebrated birthdays. Can anyone tell me why it’s verboten? Is there any scriptural basis for this? Or was this just over reach? I also wondered about smoking and if there was something about that too. I remember a lot of witnesses saying they had to quit back in the day. Some thought it was stupid. IDK. Any reply would be appreciated. 🙂

          • Beverly kenyon

            Hi Raven, if you jump on Baruq’s site there’s a fantastic article discussing that very subject. It’s a conscience thing and Brother King has covered that smoking ban of that organisation and someone here on this blog summed it up about smoking, how it’s a filthy habit and is a form of self harm and yet another pharasaical rule.

            • The Raven

              Thanks for replying, Bev, I’ll go have a look at Baruq and I’ll search for Robert’s essays on it.

            • The Raven

              So…none of this was scriptural. It went beyond what was stated. Robert has a ton of stuff on this. Baruq also had a very good article there too. I smoke occasionally and wondered about it. Granted it’s a bad habit but I couldn’t see why they disfellowshipped active Jws for it. I did not smoke at the time I was studying with them however. I thought about some of the really bad things I knew were going on among them but they focused on this? How odd. I boiled it down to a matter of control. Like a bunch of other things that were required by them but not Jehovah.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yep. Unscriptural, controlling and judgemental. High control.

            • The Raven

              I see no reason for them to have done that in fact, it hindered their efforts more than anything. These were the personal views of men who did not do this for Jehovah’s sake but for their own particular tastes. I remember hearing about the beard issue as well and thought it was stupid. But not knowing much about how they operated I didn’t get too far into it. Richard explained about the hours that had to be reported when out in field service and how folks competed in a very juvenile way for pioneer (?) and other titles, if I’m not mistaken. Surprised to find out they were separating sheep and goats based on the preaching work and not on what scripture stated which was how they treated Christ’s brothers. I’m still learning about the depth of this mess and even though I may not comment, I do try to understand how it got to be this way.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yes Raven….a proper mess. Rutherford brought in that practice of reporting hours which in turn created a competitive spirit amongst Jw’s and taking it upon themselves to seperate sheep from goats as that is very much for Jesus to do in the future….arrogant and presumptuous standing proud just like the tares in the field. Giving of themselves titles and creating distinctions within their group and now taken to wearing their ‘brand’ of jw.org which is similar to the Jews of Jesus’ day when they wore their extra long fringed garments and their Phylacteries the scripture containing cases. Like all of organised Christianity JW’s are plagued with the same problems and just because they have bible basics doesn’t make them any different and in fact they need to move on from the elementary things spoken of by Paul, the milk and move on to the solid food of God’s Word.

          • Southern ShaSha

            Hello again The Raven. If you are in possession of the Reasoning from the Scriptures book and go to p.68 under birthday, some seriously deep stuff for the poor schmuck leaving the world, searching for something, someone, greater than himself. Myself as well as my husband had never been involved in organized religion, so I’m telling you we had our serious struggles early on. We joined the ministry school very early on, followed by field service, book studyleading into pioneering/partime, I believe it was called auxilarary pioneering. We did pretty much all they advised us to do. My husband became a ministerial servant very early on. I fought my better judgement in dragging my two small children along regardless if the weather was 100 degrees or not. Life was pure and simple an exhausting merry-go-round. At that time just shy of 1975 the urgency to beat yourself to death was a necessary evil. My husband fell back to smoking and felt the best thing to do was to let our elders know, feeling he would appreciate there help and guidance in this matter. He was called into a meeting with them only to be told he was behaving like a “dog returning to it’s vomit!! 2 Peter 2:22. This was a man working, as many others did, 65 to 75 hours a week. But managing his congregation duties, meeting attendance and working field service in, in any way he could, usually with success.
            By stopping holidays, etc. destroyed our very close relationship with our family, my parents not speaking to either of us for several years, really when we and our children needed them the most. We did the organization deal for a strong 10 years or better before we drifted away. However we never left Jehovah, or He us, but a long sad many years searching for a place to be. But you know what, Jehovah never let go, and that I am so greatful for. We never appreciated our grand creatorin those years as we do today. I was able to slow it down, my life, and try to get ever closer to our God, really pleading in my heart to Him, to please, help me in every way & everyday to do what is good and acceptable in His eyes. The fact He gave His beloved Son, to give us a new beginning, to serve Him, to honor Him and to make His Blessed name known throughout the world. To pray for His Kingdom to come, and have hope that we, all of us may be a part of it all. To shed the worry brought about by men, to pray for all still in their grip to become awakened to the beauty and love awaiting them, Jehovah, Jesus and the Kingdom!!!

            • The Raven

              I have a lot of those books but chose to ask here since I got a serious distrust of what they said and did concerning many matters which turned out to be merely their own opinions. I’ll look though. Sounds like you guys were on a rocket sled through “hell” for a while. Not fun at all. Where was the joy in serving? To be treated the way your husband was is just plain mean and wrong. I’m glad you found your way and I hope you are much happier with this now. I came to the conclusion I could not accept it all and they came to the conclusion I was toast. lol. I’m good with that especially since I know that Jehovah judges fairly and He won’t forget those who suffer for His name and continue to follow Christ. I know he’s been helping me along and at times kicking my butt as well. Or is that the angels? I forget. They’re probably walking behind me rolling their eyes at me and complaining about what an idiot I am at times. I remind folks I am a sinner and will be until I die or kingdom come. I hope we all get to that garden soon. I’m not looking forward to the tribulation but, it would be worth anything to see my friends and family again. Jehovah bless you and your husband and I thank you for telling me about your experiences. Every little bit I learn helps me. 🙂

            • Southern ShaSha

              Raven, please don’t misunderstand what I have said. We have made many, many, many efforts to go back, but we could appreciate, at least our local congregation was in total chaos. So much hurt and pain within the congregation, when I discovered Roberts site, I felt Jehovah had shown me the way. He is aware of our needs so long as we put all our trust in Him. When we questioned the reasons for what we did not understand, that is where we were directed to go, and of course told to pray on the matter.

            • The Raven

              I understood quite well what you’re saying. No worries. Thank you again for your candid and honest replies to me.

        • Southern ShaSha

          Hi Burt. Just noticed your comment. Yep, told the same. Try and figure out a way to tell a little one, today you are one year older but we’ll just keep it a secret, not speak the “birthday word”. Never looked at it as overly elevating anyone, only recognizing the joy in having them in our lives. But old beliefs die hard as to this day we don’t mention the birthday word and any party day with gifts is always planned either b/4 or after said child’s actual day of birth. All four of my grandchildren are included, a party day for all. ?After all when anyone is born, isn’t that in its self a gift from God.

          • Burt Reynolds

            When I left the watchtower, I went back to ‘celebrating’ Christmas and birthdays. I was on my own at that time, living with my four year old daughter in a room in what you guys might call a motel. Life was so damnably miserable, I was not going to add to it for my daughter. I could not get over this no birthday thing with the watchtower……. wedding anniversaries are ok, giving a present another day is ok. Heavens! Compromise compromise. Control. Christmas, yes, I could heartily agree with that…a Commercial time of excesses, but allowing a child to bear yet more reproach and seeming abandonment, no. And since I married again, I keep silent on the whole affair and let them get on with it and yes, I enjoy rewarding my children, not because of their age, but because they are alive. What else is a present for than thanks? I know it was for a different reason, but Jehovah sure celebrated the birth of Jesus, as does every mother in her heart at the time of birth and every day after, but it’s as much evidence for, as the evidence against, from the watchtower. I don’t see it as corrupting the child to show thankfulness for their birth. Call me mr heathen, if you like, but I have bigger scriptural fish to fry on the alter of forgiveness than loading children with yet more ridicule from their peers at this time. I’m done with watchtower perversity.

          • Burt Reynolds

            I replied but it seems that Disgust has swallowed my words. Maybe for the best. Basically I’m just grateful to my children any and every day and when ever, I will give if I want to. Birthday or not.

            • Richard Long

              Personally, I find the day of my birth VERY offensive to God and do not wish to be reminded of it! lol

      • Dr. Moreau

        those examples were poor resioning thats why.

        the moon god and wishing/blowing out candles stuck in food is a the proper
        example. but who does it for
        moon god reasons today anyway? nobody. and people
        die in cars and get shot at theaters, so looks like using cars and going to the movies is bad now too

    • how did it go? did you comment the truth and shock the audience?

      • Anderiega

        No….not my place and not my time. I’ve finally learned that “red pilling” ignorantly blissful ones is not fruitful or kind. ?

  • Simpletruth

    Great Article!

  • Sharon

    dear brother Robert,i must say that I enjoy reading your articles,i agree with almost all you write.i believe you are of the Ezekiel class as they say.the watchtower has just admitted that they are not inspired,i don’t know if you would consider yourself inspired or not,but you do seem to have captured the attention of many ex jws,and many who still are attending,practicing jws.as you said the purpose of the prophets was not just judgement,but to bring ones to repentance.and you consider your work a projection of the words that the ancient prophets into the modern,directed primarily to the leadership of the wbts. so on that note please stick to biblical issues,or say I don’t know,rather than just giving someone the impression that they don’t know what their talking about,because if you took the time to research you would know without a doubt that chemtrails are very real as joseph said,they are indeed spraying the skies,our food,poisoning us with vacines,and the list goes on and on,all for the purpose of depopulation.these men like tom horn steve quaile,although not jws,they are in my opinion fine Christian men who Jehovah is using at this time to expose truth on many different issues,geoingineering cern,giants,and the big issue tranhumanism.They too claim to be of the Ezekiel class,and their mission right now is to wake up this sleeping generation of Christians before its too late.i have never heard one of them ever say they wouldn’t be wasting their time doing this watchman gig.i hope you love what you do,love Jehovah and Christ Jesus,and may Jehovah continue to bless your ministry.

    • Okay, I admit it. Chemtrails are real. In fact, there is incontrovertible photographic evidence that reveals the first recorded instance of chemtrails. Here it is –

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e0f009f67f86dab89ed3c80efa2537ccbc23b5625e4c21a276b16cf17aabd939.jpg

      • Back before fleets of pilotless drones took over spraying chems into the atmosphere there were the pioneers, the lone crop dusting witches, flying by the seat of their…whatever.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8351056838c4afe452fcd8d48a3729f7106f3a1a0c10577ce4b9940fa93acaef.jpg

        • Daisy

          Ahaha hahahaha. Love it. Hahahaha

      • Daisy

        Hahahaha. You HAVE got a sense of humour. Praise Be …hahaha

      • Sharon

        your humility is breathtaking brother king

        • Richard Long

          I fear we have pushed him into a corner, asking him to be arbiter on an issue of irrelevance to this article.

      • Vasilios Agio

        Hahaha nice one brother Robert

    • Burt Reynolds

      There are many good hearted people and people who believe with conviction, that they are Christian. However, that is not the point. The point is that do these people know who is the creator, and are willing to submit to his rule, in love, understanding and appreciation, or will do, when the choice is put before them. These other problems of the world is something we can do nothing about and it is pointless to concern ourselves with them. The only thing of worth is to know Jehovah and even the watchtower recognise that. It’s good to meet honest hearted people, good that they are still here, good that they are motivated, but like us all, they have a choice to make.

      • Sharon

        that’s right burt we all have a choice to make,and just because we carry the name jehovahs witness means nothing,as you and I both know there is way more involved than that.but my point about these other things is we can do something about it.chemtrails for example,and spraying our foods with heavy metals like excuse my spelling here barium,stonthium,and aluminum,yes there is things we can do to combat these things.the globalist or the elite are counting on reducing much of the population using such things.i truly believe giants or offspring of the nephilum is one of the ways Jehovah will bring judement upon the earth,as brother king writes about in habakuk.men will become faint with fear,dropping dead from heart attcks for fear of the things coming up on the earth.so my point is to be forwarned is to be forarmed that’s all I’m saying.ultimately it will be our close relationship with our heavenly father,faith in his son our king of kings,and lord of lords,and our love for the truth,not lies truth

        • Richard Long

          It certainly makes sense to be prepared to deal with what may come as one sees fit. I agree that if the WT will be irrelevant in the future, as Robert makes plain, we do well to consider its relevance to us now. Regarding the schemes of men causing ruin to the earth and its peoples, I’m not sure even what steps we might take to counter them are worth the effort. I imagine it speaks to quality of life, and , by all means, improve the quality of your life if you can and suffer no judgement by the rest of us!

        • Burt Reynolds

          Yes I agree that it would be nice to take a big stick and wipe from the face of the earth those who are ruining it. I just feel that it is pointless for me to get involved in that now as what can I do? What should I be doing? Those ruining the earth will put a stop to it by themselves through their wars and self destruction and Jehovah will clean them away and repair the earth. If Jehovah says that he is going to bring them to ruin, then why would, why should, I get involved? I suppose the object lesson here is to trust in Jehovah.

    • Joseph Stephan

      You are so right and very wise! People just don’t take the time to see the BIG picture of what exactly is going on, or they just don’t care. But it most certainly all ties together these last days. Knowledge is power, something that we are all going to need to survive the end. Thank you for being wise enough to see beyond the fog.

      • Richard Long

        If it’s fair to say the fallen angels we’re up to more than getting some strange with human women, then it’s reasonable to assume what they are up to now is also bad beyond imagination.

  • Dr. Moreau

    if i could reach inside the screen of my phone and grab that site banner and crumple it up like paper or burn it with a lighter to get it out of the way i would https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c6f91da2fc0b2a092171f1abe69e711f29db8846b5f0e66e3da2153e83478bde.jpg not trying to be rude

    • Richard Long

      lol, No, DA, it frustrates me a bit, too

      • Dr. Moreau

        i know people are being humble and not lerti g Robert know so they dont sond like a nag b but right noe as im typing tjis messahe i can not see what im even typing.

        it can be avoided on the desktop version by scrolling down before the page finishes loading but not always on the cellphibe

    • Richard Long

      Well, now you’ve done it! Not sure I like the new mobile friendly without comments! lol

    • I am working on a fix. Just a little while longer

  • Charles

    Absolutely now is the time to know the prophecies about the last 1335 days. Those days begin the same day as the 1260 days/42 months in Revelation chapter 11,12 and 13.
    Notice that before the 1260 days the seven headed beast gets a deadly blow to one of its heads. But recovers thanks to the remaining heads of the beast. They help the seventh head to recover. Very interesting that there is a great effort to take down the current president in USA. There are talks about a coup d’etat. This looks to be a very possible fulfillment of the deadly stroke against one of the heads of the beast. If this happens, we could well be in the fulfillment of this prophecy. And right after the beast is healed it starts to blaspheme God according to Revelation 13. This should happen at the same time as the constant sacrifice is removed and the sanctuary is profaned according to Daniel 11:30.
    Daniel 12 tells tells that from that event begins the count down to 1335 days.

    • Charles

      33 And those having insight+ among the people will impart understanding to the many. And they will be made to stumble by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plundering, for some days. 34 But when they are made to stumble, they will be given a little help; and many will join with them by means of smooth speech.* 35 And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and a whitening+ until the time of the end; because it is yet for the time appointed.

      • Charles

        Daniel 11:30 “And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.+
        32 “And those who act wickedly against the covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words.*

        He, the king puts in place the disgusting thing, as Jesus said on the holy place.
        Matthew 24:15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place+ (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.+

        What is the “Holy Place” in our time? Could it be the head quarters of Jehovah’s witnesses?

        Who will he “lead into apostasy” according to the scripture above? And what does it mean when it says he will do it by smooth words?

        • Charles

          Daniel11:36 “The king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and magnify himself above every god; and against the God of gods+ he will speak astonishing things.

          What do you think is this talking about the same as
          Revelation 13: 5 It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months.+ 6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemies+ against God to blaspheme his name and his dwelling place, even those residing in heaven.

          And is this the same as 2Thessalonians 2:3 in view of the fact that this king profanes the sanctuary and stops the daily sacrifice?
          “the man of lawlessness+ gets revealed, the son of destruction.+ 4 He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship,”

          • Charles

            Is this king the same as the eleventh horn that has eyes and a mouth who speaks boastfully? Daniel 7

            • Lev

              Ян, это ты? Лев.

            • Charles

              ты угадал.

            • Brian

              Charles, it would appear that that is in fact one and the same thing, the little horn is the disgusting thing and it is not only the King of the North that puts it in place, it will be put in place universally as Revelation says it comes out of the sea, of course Roberts take is different in that the King of the North although unsuccessful at overthrowing the South somehow sets up a “Kingdom over the earth”!

            • Richard Long

              To be fair, my understanding of “Robert’s take” is that the KoN is successful against the KoS, prior to the death stroke of the seventh head. The revived head springs forth the eighth king. He has made the point that the KoS is not mentioned when Michael stands up against the KoN. Sorry to be so unscholarly as to not link the articles where he has stated this, as I’m at work, but I specifically remember reading THAT.
              Blessings, RL

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Daniel 11:
              40 “In the time of the end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and horsemen and many ships; and he will enter into the lands and sweep through like a flood..

              45 And he will plant his royal tents between the grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              A King Fierce in Countenance
              December 6th, 2008|Daniel
              Excerpt:
              For example, the Watchtower has merely assumed that the king of the south is on hand when Michael stands up to destroy the king of the north. What Bethel has failed to take note of is that there is no further mention of the king of the south beyond the point when the king of the north floods over into all the lands and subjugates “Egypt.” The detailed prophecy of the king of the north and king of the south ends with a single king – the king of the north – who comes all the way to his end with no helper to intervene for him. Surely, it is no mere oversight on the part of the angel who outlined history in such detail to have omitted any mention of the king of the south. https://e-watchman.com/king-fierce-countenance/

            • Richard Long

              Thanks, Kevin! Knew you’d have that handy. Same with other post to save space. Thanks!

            • The Raven

              https://e-watchman.com/new-world-order/

              All following are excerpts from article:
              “When it comes to interpreting prophecy it is wise to recognize that all prophecy is harmonious and complimentary. Take for example the fact, that, just as the seventh chapter of Daniel portrays a beastly horn speaking great blasphemies against God, so too, the 13th chapter of Revelation depicts a wild beast that opens its mouth to speak great things and blasphemies against God. And just as the boastful horn is allowed to dominate the holy ones for a prophetic three and a half times, the beast of Revelation does also, expressed as 42 months.”

              “But there is more to the prophetic puzzle. As regards the king of the north, Daniel 11:36-37 states: “The king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and magnify himself above every god; and against the God of gods he will speak astonishing things. And he will prove successful until the denunciation comes to a finish; because what is determined must take place. He will show no regard for the God of his fathers; nor will he show regard for the desire of women or for any other god, but he will magnify himself over everyone.”

              “Any honest consideration of these three prophecies by those who are not under the Watchtower’s hypnotic influence ought to lead to the conclusion that since the 11th horn of the beast of Daniel and the revived seventh head of the Revelation beast, as well as the king of the north, all are described in the exact same way – as speaking great blasphemies against God – they must, therefore, represent the same earthly kingdom. For that matter, the king fierce in countenance in the 8th chapter of Daniel does too.”

            • Brian

              Nowhere in the writings of Daniel does it state that the KoN subjugates the South, in fact it is quite clear that it doesn’t. What everyone has read into Daniel post 11.31 is that the thing/entity that seems to run amok and put the world under subjection is the KoN but it is the very thing that they have just put in place that “goes all the way to it’s end” with no helper. I have mentioned this here before only to be “howled down” (probably will be again). The narrative from D 11:32 changes to an entirely different entity and at 11:40 it sounds like they are pushing each other but they are pushing against the very thing that they set up, every reference to them coming against each other prior to this has them actually stating that the South comes against the North and vis vis, at 32 there is the introduction of a third party “him”. Nowhere in Revelation or Daniel says that a Nation state comes all the way to it’s end in the last days but it does say that the little horn/ disgusting thing comes to it’s end without hand.

            • Richard Long

              Thats fair Brian, I was simply cleaning up the record on what “Robert’s take” on the subject was. Your comment to was a little off the mark in that respect, and that’s the only point I was making. Keven provided the text I was referring to, so see for yourself if you care to. Where you disagree with WHAT Robert has said, that’s between the two of you, and I’ll be interested to see the debate.

              Blessings, RL

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Keep Paying Attention to Daniel.
              Excerpt:
              The final chapter of the long-running historical saga concludes when Michael, the great prince, otherwise known as the Prince of princes, stands up to confront a fierce-looking king, who is also portrayed as the last manifestation of the king of the north. At which point the last king comes to an inglorious end. These climatic events are in the near future.Rerad more>https://e-watchman.com/keep-paying-attention-daniel/

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Bklyn Kevin Guest • 2 years ago
              The king fierce looking and the eighth king as well as the king of the north are all one in the same king and the one hour test is symbolic of the three and one half years which I believe to be the hour of darkness.
              perhaps brother Robert will shed more light on this matter and bring my comprehension up to speed but as for now this is how I understand this matter.

              Bklyn Kevin Guest • 2 years ago
              I just reread another wonderful article that brother Robert had written quite some time ago and I think it will help us to get a better perspective concerning this subject. You can find it under the heading ,
              “A King Fierce In Countenance”

              Daniel and the Time of the End. https://e-watchman.com/daniel/

            • Brian

              Where do you get the connection between the little horn/eighth king and the fierce king??? The “fierce King” at Daniel 8;23 is the start of the Roman empire of which the little horn actually come out of., the little horn is the the beast but it is made up/created initially by the 10 Kings, the 10 Kings that haven’t got a Kingdom yet, 10 literal Kings that will be in agreement to create the beast/eighth King, but somehow these 10 Kings according to you guys allows some insignificant entity in the form (in your belief) “the city of London” to take over the world and make everyone worship it, it’s almost Scifi with a political twist!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              The Spanish Armada or World War III?.
              Excerpt:
              emergence of the little horn is a future event. It signifies the appearance of the last king, otherwise known as the 8th king, which occurs during a time of unprecedented global tumult. The little horn will be different from all the kingdoms that have come before it because the last kingdom will be a world government. The humiliation of three kingdoms is also a future event — likely symbolizing the sudden downfall of the Anglo-American system, which presently dominates the world. (The exact details of the “three horns” remain to be seen.)

              How does this relate to the prophecy of the king of the north and the king of the south? Both prophecies, as well as the 13th chapter of Revelation and the 8th chapter of Daniel as well, depict a singular political agency under Satan’s control that brings the mighty ones of this world to ruin; dominates all nations and speaks great and grandiose things against Jehovah himself.
              To illustrate: The little horn is said to be given a mouth speaking “grandiose things”; whereas, the victorious king of the north is said to “speak marvelous things” against “the God of gods.” The beast of Revelation is said to be given “a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies.” The significance of Revelation is that it reveals that the beast begins speaking great blasphemies after it recovers from a sword stroke. Evidently the plucking up of the three horns coincides with the death stroke upon the head of the beast. Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/the-spanish-armada-or-world-war-three/The

              Search results for: little horn
              Read a lot more> https://e-watchman.com/?s=little+horn

            • Brian

              I understand the single entity that is going to rule the world, after all it is written clearly that it will be so, I just don’t agree that it is the King of the North, what it appears to be is something the King of the North and South actually stand up, something that is decided upon by those ten kings which would more than likely be represented by the Kings of the North and South. You guys have got the “City of London” as being the King of the North, it’s almost laughable! Even Robert made a comment the other day/week about this “city of London” stymieing the getting together of the US Russia and China and there potential to become world powers, it seems to go right over his own head that this is where the dividing lines of the world are and not some bunch of decrepit old farts sitting in London pawing over their money piles. It would actually appear that it is the USA which is itself causing all of the troubles in the world and maybe the “city of London” is influential to a degree but we were never meant to be sleuths to uncover the inner workings of Satan’s system, it needs to be and is something as simple as what we can obviously see for ourselves as individuals. As this goes down it will be patently obvious for those looking on to see it and you won’t need to be told or directed by anyone to work it out.

            • Brian

              Daniel 7. 11:12 I kept on beholding
              at that time because of the sound of the grandiose words that the horn was
              speaking; I kept on beholding until the beast was killed and its body was
              destroyed and it was given to the burning fire. But as for the rest of
              the beasts, their rulerships were taken away, and there was a lengthening in life given to them for a time and a season.
              Daniel 7.:25:27 “And he will speak even words against the Most High, and he will harass continually the holy ones themselves of the Supreme One. And he will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, and times and half a time. And the Court itself proceeded to sit, and his own rulership they finally took away, in order to annihilate [him] and to destroy [him] totally. And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One. Their kingdom is an indefinitely lasting kingdom, and all the rulerships will serve and obey even them.”
              Daniel 8.23:25 “And in the final part of their kingdom, as the transgressors act to a completion, there will stand up a king fierce in countenance and understanding ambiguous sayings. And his power must become mighty, but not by his own power. And in a wonderful way he will cause ruin, and he will certainly prove successful and do effectively. And he will actually bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of [the] holy ones. And according to his insight he will also certainly cause deception to succeed in his hand. And in his heart he will put on great airs, and during a freedom from care he will bring many to ruin. And against the Prince of princes he will stand up, but it will be without hand that he will be broken.

            • “But as for the rest of
              the beasts, their rulerships were taken away, and there was a lengthening in life given to them for a time and a season.”

              yeah we brought this up not too long ago but never got answered.

              it reminds me of Isaiah 19:23-25
              and another scripture as sooon as i find it

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Hi Brian
              Do you see the connections between all those mentions thru the whole Bible about …the struggle/battle/competetions of “two brothers/nations” compared to Jesus an satan?…i guess you are one of those who do 🙂
              If so…than it seems like you also are able to see the “parrable” and connections of …lets say:Kain,Nimrud,Esau,Sisera,Nebukadnessar,the eigth king and satan?

              After all…you do see the connections between Dan.8:10 and Rev.12:4 and7

              Do not feel obligated to give a long answer ore to elaborate on this in respond to me 🙂
              I am only curious if this is clear like daylight to you?
              Take care brother and stay humble ….may all the honour and glory go to Jehovah and our great King Jesus Christ..

            • Brian

              Hi Arvid, thanks for the reply and your nice sign off. Yes you could sort of describe me as being able to see these connections, somewhat as clear as daylight, I don’t know why, maybe it is the incessant “knocking”!
              Have a nice day Arvid.

            • is that why Robert has debunked several of your somewhat daylight connections?

            • Brian

              He has debunked absolutely ZERO of what I have said, he can’t prove his own writings let alone debunk something that is prophetic and hasn’t actually happened as yet, well he was a JW so that apparently gives them licence to do so.

            • liar

            • Brian

              You can call me as you wish, I don’t care. As far as I am concerned I haven’t been corrected on anything, I may have been directed by others to read the writings that I have already read here and compared with what is reality and what is written in the scriptures, this may seem as a correction to you because you seem to follow everything that has been written by Robert as being the absolute truth and unwinding of the prophecies, the Watchtower and a plethora of others seem to think they are the only ones with the “true understanding”, I see that as an impingement for truly understanding what is written, if you need to “worship” someone and their writings and become unswerving in your thoughts and knowledge that is a problem for you to deal with.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              And the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled in their case. It says: ‘You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means see Matthew 13:14

              “He has blinded their eyes and has made their hearts hard, so that they would not see with their eyes and understand with their hearts and turn around and I heal them.”John 12: 40

            • Brian whould do well to be accepted as one of Jehovah’s “witnesses”. i know Jehovah
              is the one who “draws: people to him. John 6:44/James 4:8.
              Brian has certainly left some thought provoking comments .
              i hope for Brian the same as myself; my own sake, that my eyes not be made blind and heart hard by Jehovah because i need healing
              and i cant do it without him

            • heres how “unsuccessful” the
              north was overthrowing the south –
              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fbb68f01e19ffbc9d4ca631c2aa9327a4abd113728d28a65c69df321e091e9fd.jpg

            • It is gratifying that after 10 years of pounding the keyboards at least someone gets it.

            • Richard Long

              Is it possible only Americans can see this? A person would have to understand the disconnect between what the constitution established and what the anglophiles have delivered. I have a hard time getting any American who isn’t black to see it!

            • Satan is the one misleading the world. He has made it so that the real ruling power is cloaked. That is why some researcher years ago coined the phrase “the invisible hand.”

            • Richard Long

              Yeah, I’m hedging around the dynamic I’ve seen play out between Brian and others – you, me, DA, Raven, etc. Brian is clearly a very smart man but seems to insist that empires or “kings” must be “legitimate” or “formal” governments. In one simple graphic DA showed us what you have been saying for years, that the KoN is not represented by England, but LONDON, and It has ALREADY subjugated the KoS through monetary policy rather than military might.

              Does one simply must have experienced believing in the “American Exceptionalism” and “Land of the Free” delusion and waking from it (or never believe it, as the openly oppressed in America have not) to see that neither the executive or legislative branches, nor “the people” rule America?

            • “rather than military might.”

              i dont have the essay but i think
              Robert pointed out how or in
              what way London is in charge
              besides understanding they use the U.S. as their dumb-giant

            • heres an example of the KOTN’s
              fishing net –

              “rather than military might.”

              i dont have the essay but i think
              Robert pointed out how or in
              what way London is in charge of the U.S.’s own military,
              besides understanding they use the U.S. as their dumb-giant.

              “”Land of the Free” delusion” – https://twitter.com/D34D_4LI3N/status/891440782653112320

            • The Raven

              Remember the discussion we had about the Creature from Jekyl Island, the federal reserve, the London bankers and the devil’s throne? This was a good while back and you already knew these things. LOL! I think you were very tired that night, if I recall. We were all economically enslaved and you don’t have to be “oppressed” to see this. The middle class have been screaming about this for years. Of course the average citizen doesn’t fight it because it’s God and country which they have shoved in their faces consistently and the next false flag will find another convenient enemy to attack while we are robbed blind.

            • Richard Long

              Yeah, *I* know. I can only say that where I work – middle class with some disposable income – the white guys don’t understand “empire”. The black guys do – no explanation required. When they talk, I listen!

            • The Raven

              What the heck? I am replying to you Richard because I cannot reply to Da’s comments. They keep turning up as inactive spam. Is there any way to fix this mess?

              BTW, Thanks, DA for that great graphic!

            • DA was briefly banned from commenting. But after I lifted the ban a Disqus glitch prevented him from commenting. So he opened a new account. Now he posts as Dr. Moreau

            • its Dr. Moreau that disqus also keeps saying is spam moments after i post

            • Richard Long

              Robert is attempting to make adjustments to the site to make the header take up less screen on mobile devices. May affect various devices differently?

            • The Raven

              Hi DA. I found these three essays in which Robert describes how the US is controlled as a “dumb giant.” All three have slightly different details added as well.

              https://e-watchman.com/scene-world-changing/
              https://e-watchman.com/british-empire-vs-america/
              https://e-watchman.com/crash-of-the-euro/

              edit: hah! it worked! Thanks for the graphic DA.

            • could be the last link; crash of the euro. – archive.larouchepac.com/node/21575 that ones goes into some detail

            • Richard Long

              I have seen this. Trying to determine if the reason Brian can’t is because one has to live it to know it?

            • The Raven

              Good point.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Perhaps there is another reason why some can’t see.

              But a physical man does not accept* the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually. 1 Corinthians 2:14.Read more>
              https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-corinthians/2/#v46002011-v46002016

            • Richard Long

              Maybe, Kevin… But by now you know me well enough to know you’ll likely never meet a more “physical man”, and I’m pretty convinced Brian would fall in the “spiritual man” column. Hence my confusion at what I am seeing while I watch the dialogue between Brian and Robert.

            • The Raven

              Uh…no. I’ve seen many cerebral and very spiritual discussions between you and others here. Sure, most of us wish to be HERE on earth. That doesn’t mean we aren’t spiritual people. I would also say that you comprehend and often delve into the deeper things in an effort to get spiritual guidance. IMO, the physical does not define you. Not from what I’ve seen.

            • Richard Long

              Thank you for the benefit of the doubt, Raven. I’m trying very hard to apply that to every party in the situation I’ve been so confused about. I’m exploring if proximity to the loci of the events gives us a perspective not available to others less proximate?

              We Americans experience life in a way unique to us when we operate under the delusion that we are “free”, while our friends in the UK and OZ, or Russia for that matter, have never suffered that particular delusion. I wonder if that makes us unable to have the same perspective on “empire”?

            • The Raven

              I have never been under that “delusion”. I was born overseas. Father fought in Balkans in WWII, mother was conscripted labor in Europe.
              But in general, I’d say Americans are more free than other peoples. It’s the fact that they are heavily propagandized and misled that makes them a bit different. They cannot control heavily armed Americans without this constant bombardment. I think the rest of the world sees this. But even other nations are in the grips of deceitful and treacherous governments. That’s how they get them to “rally round the flag”.
              The US just happens to be the world’s biggest gun and London and its agents call the shots.
              Master/blaster.

            • Richard Long

              Cannot argue with anything you said and my own thoughts on the matter are in flux. The confusion is bigger than I am tonight.

            • The Raven

              What exactly are you confused about? You seem to be on pretty solid ground, spiritually. I know your heart’s in the right place and you keep Jehovah and Jesus Christ in your thoughts. So, what’s bugging you? I’m sure many here can help you figure it out.

            • The Raven

              Ah. No one can give any of us a box that has all the tools we need for salvation. There is no super secret squirrel decoder anyone can sell you. No one knows everything there is to know about prophecy or how others see it. No one can impart a measure of security to anyone else.
              Sounds bad doesn’t it?
              It isn’t. In fact it’s the greatest thing about how Jehovah has worked this. We don’t know all and they ( the demons and their acolytes) don’t know all.
              He has given some folks a good measure of wisdom and spirit and he’s been very picky about who gets it. This is evident to us in their words and insight into deep matters.
              That’s how He works. All these arguments, disagreements over who, what and how aren’t going to amount to anything when this begins. We will see who was right and act accordingly. You know what will matter?
              Your faith and love. I leave you with that thought tonight, friend.

            • Richard Long

              And I thank you for it, because that’s why I can’t stand up here and make an argument about the outworking of prophesy. At this point, everything but nurturing my own faith and helping others do the same when I can is all I need to be about. I simply set the record straight on a matter of WHAT ROBERT HAS STATED without prejudice when I saw it suggested differently by another, and Kevin came in with the support materials I could not really access at the moment of my post. Perhaps I need to just allow Robert to decide what needs defending and when.

              I am trying to get a fix on Brian and just can’t. Don’t get a “Francis” vibe off of him. But am also frustrated because the only basis we might have for “arguing” with or for Robert is what he has written, and how can we know what he has written unless we immerse ourselves in it. In turn, assuming the erroneous statement I corrected was an honest mistake it is one you or I would never make, having let Robert’s own writing be the final arbiter in what “Robert’s take” on a matter might be.

            • The Raven

              I see. But that’s ok, man. I wouldn’t worry too much with what everyone else’s ideas are concerning these things. At times it can get quite “lively” in here! Maybe trying to get a fix on folks just leads to unnecessary confusion as some vacillate wildly in their views from one day to the next. I’ve seen that much in the short time I’ve been here! lol!
              Robert makes sense to just about everyone here. He does to me. Stick to what resonates with you. I know his work does. The deeper things will be available when you’re ready and can find time to focus and pray for God to help you understand and sometimes shutting out the “noise” helps too.
              Stay as cool as you are, man! 🙂

            • Bklyn Kevin

              You’ll never get a fix on some people in this lifetime so you should just move along and brush the stand off your feet as Jesus instructed and keep seeking the kingdom first and all other things will be aided to you as Jesus said.

              So if any one of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching, and it will be given him James 1:5

              https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/james/1/#v59001005

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I most certainly agree with your thoughts.

            • The Raven

              Thanks for weighing in Kevin. I value your opinions a great deal. So does he. I know that should make him feel better. I don’t think Richard realizes his words reflect an insatiable conscious need for Jehovah’s love and guidance even more so than those who claim to be “spiritual” folks. I think he’s ok.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              You have some quality’s that most people seems to lack.

              The result of humility and the fear of Jehovah
              Is riches and glory and life. Proverbs 22: 4.

              A wise person listens and takes in more instruction;
              A man of understanding acquires skillful direction.
              Proverbs 1:5.

              He will guide the meek in what is right,
              And he will teach the meek ones his way
              Psalms 25:9

              You my friend have been doing all the above. May Jehovah continue to bless all your endeavors.

            • The Raven

              Ahem…

            • Richard Long

              I was too general. How about we qualify that by stating that my whole audience are persons I work with…. In an auto plant… In Kentucky….

            • its almost all i think about. (except the last few months have been hard along with my own sins and even the times of every year day to day) ive been a student daily since early 2011 late 2010?; i forget. i used to remember the week i learned of you. idk why it upsets me i cant remember exactly when. i know
              it was around the time my car
              broke down at a park. first was
              me asking questions about what ive learned all my life at
              the kingdom halls (as i did even several years before but bad things happend and i firgot about it) and then first was a 1914 debunk video someone made, (may Jehovah bless that person) along with your replyes to that tuff questions video series, i was like ha! because i remember that young guys videos and now someone answered him. you were like a hero. i couldnt think of another better word. videos youve since taken down. i would only guess you didnt want to look like you were throwing perals at dogs and debating but you made a proper defence and witness
              for others like myself. without
              your obeying Jesus comand i
              wouldnt have learnd from you
              by those videos.

              it would be more gradifying to
              you and Jehovah if i survive.

              i am nowhere close to anyone
              like Joshua or other holy men that Jehovah liked. a few things i dont understand and disagree with Jehovah but i just assume im wrong somehow but i dont have to like it and it angers me like no other. he says throw your anxiety on him and that seems about all i ever do anymore. i dont like it because its not fun talk nor enjoyable. its not my intention to make enemies with Jehovah but im suck of this (insert taboo word here).

            • Burt Reynolds

              None of us have a right to be sick of this system. We are part of it and helped to make it. Not only that, but we would not be here in all probability if Jehovah had not allowed it to continue. That He wants no one to die, is secondary to that he wants everyone to live. In other words, he has allowed us to come to be so that he may make a name for himself, though the love of so many for his truth and love. So the best way to make use of that gift is for all of us to accept it, and use it, rather than fight it and blame Jehovah for giving it to us. I recall my own son saying to me in a fit of rage that he ‘did not ask to be born’. I simply replied that if I had been able to ask him, would he have refused.

            • true but i disagree.
              my thoughts: this world is designed to turn a good man bad. we are born into sin. nobody is born a axe-murderer although One can be born a victim of anothers sin. Rom 5:12. there are those ruining the earth that Jehovah will ruin. apart from those that arent. Rev 11:18. that applies to more then just man-made nature disasters but the ruining of God’s creation in many aspects. child abuse for example. there are those who are inventers of injurious things. Rom 1:30. Job was a upright man and “blamless”. Enoch walked with God for hundreds of years and Jehovah took him. Isaiah 65:8 “allowed it to continue”; what if not allowing more time for someone to sin yet again? we stumble many times. James 3:2. spirit willing but flesh is weak. being born wasnt the principle behind the saying. reworded, i didnt ask to be born into sin and evil problems. if you were to ask me. that question i would have replied its not the good of life that im refusing and im sick of.

              Proverbs 13:12
              Rom 8:22
              James 3:8
              Proverbs 20:9
              Rom 3:12

            • true but i disagree.
              my thoughts: this world is designed to turn a good man bad. we are born into sin. nobody is born a axe-murderer although One can be born a victim of anothers sin. Rom 5:12. there are those ruining the earth that Jehovah will remove. apart from those that arent. Rev 11:18. that applies to more then just man-made nature disasters but the ruining of God’s creation in many aspects. child abuse for example. there are those who are inventers of injurious things. Rom 1:30. Job was a upright man and “blamless”. Enoch walked with God for hundreds of years and Jehovah took him. Isaiah 65:8. “allowed it to continue”; what if not allowing more time for someone to sin yet again? we stumble many times. James 3:2. spirit willing but flesh is weak. being born wasnt the principle behind the saying. reworded, i didnt ask to be born into sin and evil problems. if you were to ask me that question i would have replied its not the good of life that im refusing and im sick of.

              Proverbs 13:12
              Rom 8:22
              James 3:8
              Proverbs 20:9
              Rom 3:12

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/15478ecfa93d6b88ab38058ec8ef768c07db6b724b0b107e3d22e529ebf85214.png

            • The Raven

              I hadn’t thought of that. I’m going to look into that some more. Thanks for the scripture it gives me a good place to start.

            • Job 2:10James 3:2 *perfect.
              so why did Job die?
              cause he was born into a world that does not meet the standards for life.
              doesnt say he didnt sin later
              or before then either.
              just thoughts

            • The Raven

              I like the way you work through these thoughts, man! Thanks, DA.

            • The Raven

              I’ve been wanting to ask about the name dead alien. Is there some meaning to that I’m just too thick to see? Inquiring minds want to know. lol! I like Dr. Moreau as well.

            • yeah, inside joke/story so i just used it as a user alias for things. ufology/conspiracy.

              Moreau refers to the book/film (1996 remake) to provoke thinking

            • The Raven

              I remember that film too.

            • Richard Long

              Still having Disqus troubles DA?

            • Beverly kenyon

              Cos he’s on a cheap ten dollar phone that cuts out on him every other minute Richard! Okay!! He’s destitute so he’s just grateful that he can actually get some words out to us here on this blog as most of the time its just him & himself. And maybe, just maybe being creative in ‘stylizing’ his phone as you quaintly put it makes him feel human and of worth. You’re a really nice bloke Richard it would be nice to ask about how that person is doing especially knowing of his dire situation not so long as nothing has changed…so asking about disqus is most probably the last thing he wants to hear. Maybe we’re his only company.

            • Richard Long

              >>Richard getting up from Beverly’s beat-down<<

              Bev, I simply intended a "helpful" and sympathetic exploratory suggestion that the vile and highly unstable Disgus might be reading the very cool (IMO) stylized text " (aka D3ad 4liEn) " as anomalous or malicious or spammy, creating the condition that has been so frustrating for him in getting his posts to stick. Sorry if poorly executed.

            • she’s just caring of me ^_^

            • Richard Long

              I know she is. She can beat me to a pulp every day if that’s what it takes to make you realize your worth to us.

            • The Raven

              And one for you! Lol!

            • The Raven

              lol!

            • Beverly kenyon

              ?☕️ …..peace offering Richard. X

            • The Raven

              Bev, you’re a gem! 🙂

            • Richard Long

              We are not at war, but I will accept your Batten-burgh cake and cup of Earl Grey. I both know of your deep affection for DA and realize I had neglected to exchange pleasantries before “helping”.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Richard, that cake is no way Battenberg as Battenberg looks pretty but is just a lump of sugar and sugar is poison and ages a person same as smoking. I love you too much to give you that rank cake. That cake is a nice slice of Victoria cake filled with fresh cream polished off with that fabulous fresh coffee. Bliss! Lol. Meant to say Victoria sponge.

            • The Raven

              I don’t think Richard meant anything by it other than disqus being a huge pain in the butt. It spits and sputters with the smallest issues like word counts, editing ( I freakin HATE that) and even listing as spam quite possibly different fonts. I do know Richard is fond of DA and so am I after we had an interesting introduction! lol!
              It’s ok Bev. I think we’re trying to figure out why his posts keep turning out the way they do and I even asked Robert as have others if this can be fixed for DA.
              We’d like it if it can be,
              ahem: Robert? 🙂

            • Beverly kenyon

              I can’t go back on what I said to Richard as I’m sure given DA’s dire situation that’s the last thing he wants to hear and yes you’re right, Richard does really like DA…as I do, I worry about DA and his dire situation. I don’t understand that tech speak and the only spam I know is in a tin so yeah, disqus sounds a pain in the posterior in grand scheme of things it’s way down the list…not even on the list! Hope there’s no hurt feelings regarding Richard as he’s a lovely guy and a fantastic father to his girls, that shines through and he comes across as a principled guy, he’s lovely.

            • The Raven

              It just struck me as a strange reply for Richard’s concern. While you were gone we all watched DA struggle and cuss disqus , as did I in some very vulgar terms and several others here for screwing up our comments or losing them completely. Yes, it did… never to be found again! So you probably didn’t know that it has been a running conversation and gripe fest among all of us over it.

            • Richard Long

              Truth be told, I’m a real bastard when left to my own devices, so if i don’t deserve that beating from you today, I’m confident I will tomorrow or the next day. lol

            • Beverly kenyon

              Don’t say that Richard as not in a million years would I have you down as that. No way! You must hide it well. Lol.

            • Richard Long

              I am principled. lol

            • The Raven

              I hope you don’t mind an SOB sharing that bench with you. I’ve been called worse by some of my bosses! Salut Richard! LOL!

            • Richard Long

              please, have a seat. I’ll pour.

            • The Raven

              I’m bringing bourbon.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes, you are right. I overlooked those points. I tend to think we are part of it but as you say, some truely are apart. Thanks.

            • Brian

              Trouble is the “8th king” isn’t here as yet let alone the “2 horned beast” that actually follows it, we haven’t even seen the ten horns/Kings assembled and in agreement as yet.. Maybe you need to reread Daniel, “the last is NOT the same as the first”, maybe I have an English language comprehension problem but to me that really looks like it does NOT succeed in overthrowing or subjugating the South.

            • the 2 hornd beast that what? “exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight”. who exercises athority of the world system now? ask anyone, obviously its the U.S. & London who now are the primary horns easy, and it gives “breath to the image of the” who? the first wild beast, whose death-stroke got” what? “HEALED.”

              there is no “trouble” that the “8th king” of the current 7th head isnt here yet and it wont be until after the current 7th head of the beast has a death-stroke. then AFTER it revives it “also itself” will THEN be “an eighth king”. duh.

              the FUTURE expectation of the
              eighth king is what the Watchmans Post is about. nobody is saying hes here already.

              (i made the mistake calling the image of the 8th king the king but eh. idk why i keep remembering it that way sometimes)

            • yes

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Search results for: The Kings of the North and South.
            https://e-watchman.com/?s=The+Kings+of+the+North+and+South

            Articles examining the prophecy of Daniel and its meaning for our day. Also see the chapter Daniel.
            https://e-watchman.com/daniel/

        • Bklyn Kevin

          More food for thought.
          Search results for: disgusting

        • Brian

          “They put in place”

        • the holy place are those that
          are known by his holy name.
          it aint mormons or adventist.
          1-Peter 1:16

        • Bklyn Kevin

          What is the Great Tribulation and Holy Place?
          Excerpt:
          The sanctuary, fortress and the constant feature, mentioned above, have reference to that which belongs to God – being the central feature of the worship of Jehovah. In other words, the sanctuary and fortress are a holy place to God. The constant feature has to do with the regular sacrifices of praise offered to God in his sanctuary. This is collaborated by Daniel 8:13, which refers to the king of fierce countenance “causing desolation” to the “holy place” and removing the “constant feature.” Daniel 8:13 reads: “How long will the vision be of the constant feature and of the transgression causing desolation, to make both the holy place and the army things to trample on?”
          Read more> https://e-watchman.com/great-tribulation-holy-place/

          Read a lot more> Search results for: Holy Place
          https://e-watchman.com/?s=Holy+Place.

          • and we know the disgusting thing paid a short visit to his house of worship in 70CE whereas the kingdom composed of those known by his name, aka Jews – people of the God Jehovah, who followed his son, cought sight of it then up and left for the hills. who could those Jews that followed his sons direction be today i wonder… im willing to bet they still accept his name and are “called by” it even today, …beacuse the scriptures say ecactly that – Isaiah 43:7/ 2-Chro 7:14

            @Brian

      • “who are those who will impart understanding after the holy place is profaned, during the 1260 days?”

        i would assume you

    • Vasilios Agio

      Interesting thought

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Questions regarding the seven empires and the eighth king. Will the great crowd really come out of the great tribulation? What is the meaning of the various time periods in Daniel, 2,300, 1290, 1335 days etc? Also, are Jehovah’s Witnesses the only ones who will be saved?
      podcast 75 https://e-watchman.com/podcast-episode-75/
      (Click here to view as vodcast on YouTube)

    • “recovers thanks to the remaining heads of the beast” “They help the seventh head to recover”

      no, you misunderstood.
      forget the other heads.
      focus on the current.

  • Passi from B.C

    It’s true when they say “Curiosity kills the cat”
    Do any of you brothers and sister still attend meetings?

    -Unbaptized publisher

    • a watcher

      I still attend meetings and I do the door to door work, although I am a low hour publisher.

    • KB

      I attend the meetings regularly. Maybe semi regularly, I miss a few here and there. No field service. I can’t bring myself to teach Watchtower lies.

      • any field service now?

        • KB

          I talk to people about Jehovah and Jesus. I’m having an interesting interchange with an inactive friend as well about the real future of event. I don’t meet at the KH and go door to door or turn in a monthly report as most JWs do. But I have my own ministry going on that I hope Jehovah is ok with.

    • e.v.g

      Jesus said “You will know the truth and the truth will make you free” the Org. has taken permissions which do not corrrespond to it, every JW’s will have to do what they say. Although going to the meetings is not bad, for some JW’s it is very important privileges, field service work and all that, and then you will be a good JW’s of course there’s something more than that.

      • e.v.g

        Worship God it is a personal matter, when the gt starts many will exposed their animal instincts like the bible said it is irrational and demonic, animals obey their instinct, spirituality it is a personal matter. Sadly some inside the Org. have that kind of attitude. (James 3:14-16)

      • whats going to meeting have to do with fild service? (not really asking, just saying)

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    What a nice article!! If I were in US I would have gone to Roberts house and washed his feet, Oh what humble service can I do for Robert? He is like my father as I learned this truth from him. Yeah this the truth and I made the truth as my own.

    • Daisy d

      Very nice, I know the feeling. We only need to remember that Elijah was just a human being even as we are (James 5:17) as much as we love Robert for the changes he’s made in our lives. Much love to you and family… D

    • The garage and the shed need painting. If you can get by here before the snow flies I’ll put you to work. ;~)

  • Joseph Stephan

    The truth will set you free!

    https://youtu.be/OntBg2qwk_M

  • Ms M

    I am learning so much from you brother king, thank you and may Jehovah continue to bless you and all your efforts

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