Are Jehovah’s Witnesses preaching a false message?

//Are Jehovah’s Witnesses preaching a false message?

Apologies: For some unknown reason messages sent to me from the contact form were either not being delivered or were sent to my spam folder. This question from a JW reader was recovered.

QUESTION: You say in some of your videos that despite some flaws, Jehovah’s Witnesses are doing God’s will on earth, namely preaching the Kingdom message. You also say (and I wholeheartedly agree) that 1914 is a false teaching; hence, Jehovah’s Witnesses are promoting a false parousia. My question is this: If Jehovah’s Witnesses are promoting the Kingdom, but teaching that it was established over 100 years ago, how can they possibly be fulfilling the prophecies? If a person was learning the Bible from JWs and rejected their eschatology would they be rejecting the Kingdom message? To me it seems a false kingdom message cannot possibly fulfill the verses in Mathew 24 and Luke 21. I have my theories but I would like to hear yours.

First, I do not have any theories. I just deal with the Scriptures. And the situation with Jehovah’s Witnesses today is not without precedent in the biblical record.

Consider the fact that shortly after Jesus began his ministry he also commissioned his chosen apostles to begin a preaching campaign in advance of him. Not only that, shortly after sending the apostles out he also sent out seventy other disciples in pairs. Like the Watchtower with the ministry of Jehovah’s Witnesses, Jesus gave his disciples a specific message to declare. They were to announce to their fellow Israelites that the Kingdom of the heavens had drawn near.

Amazingly, however, although Jesus entrusted them to be his publicity agents not one of those original preachers had any idea what the Kingdom of the heavens even was. Even at the very end of Jesus’ ministry the apostles still had no inkling that Jesus was going back to heaven. No doubt they were laboring under the same delusion as were all of the Jews, imagining that the restoration of the throne of David was going to be an earthly set up. That is evident from what is stated in the 19th chapter of Luke, which states that upon Jesus’ approach to Jerusalem the disciples imagined that the Kingdom of God was going to display itself instantly. Even after he was resurrected the disciples asked Jesus if he was restoring the Kingdom to Israel at that time.

It was only after the holy spirit came upon them that they were finally able to comprehend the “breadth and length and height and depth.”

The fact that the disciples had false expectations regarding the Kingdom was a stumbling block for them. When Jesus was taken from the earth without having restored the Kingdom those who had been his followers had to adjust their thinking. They had to resolve the dilemma if they wanted to continue on in Jesus’ teachings in his absence. They had to demonstrate that they had faith and were not simply following a man who performed impressive miracles.

So, even though the original followers of Christ did not have any idea what the Kingdom was, their message —the Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near —was still relevant for the reason that those who responded to the message and who followed through after Jesus left the earth were ultimately welcomed into the Kingdom of Christ by virtue of being anointed by the holy spirit.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are in the same position as the original disciples before Christ was killed; albeit, we know considerably more about the Kingdom of God then did the 70 whom Jesus first commissioned as Kingdom proclaimers. (Who is Blind?) Just as the reality of Christ’s death had actually been hidden from the apostles (Luke 9:45), and even the great teacher was unable to disabuse them of their false notions, the same operation is at work now —blinding the modern Kingdom proclaimers to the reality of a future parousia of Christ and all that that entails.

To be sure, the 1914 doctrine stands as a huge stumbling block, not just to those relatively few persons who see the fallacy of it now, but to virtually all of Jehovah’s Witnesses going forward. Just as the unexpected death of their rabbi and master forced the apostles to rethink their faith, the sudden outbreak of wars, famines, pestilence —in short all the things Jesus foretold would occur as a prelude to his ultimate presence —will impose a severe test of faith upon everyone associated with the Watchtower.

Unfortunately, we may expect many to be stumbled, as Jesus foretold. Ironically though, the coming of Christ will ultimately result in the removal of all stumbling blocks —the 1914 thing being foremost. That is what Jesus was intimating with his harvest illustration, when he explained that  “The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels. Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be. At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen.”

Just as the original preaching of the Kingdom prepared persons to enter into the Kingdom when the door was opened on Pentecost, the Watchtower has unknowingly prepared a people for the final harvest. The falsity of the invisible parousia doctrine merely serves as a veil that will be lifted at the unveiling and revealing of Christ. In that respect, the Watchtower is doing God’s will, even in promoting a false parousia, since it is only by God’s permission that Satan is allowed to exert a deluding influence over Christ’s congregation prior to his coming. 

As Jesus illustrated, prior to the conclusion there are lawless persons and stumbling blocks within Christ’s Kingdom —that is to say, within his congregation —his organization if you prefer. So, the Scriptures acknowledge that there are stumbling blocks in Christ’s Kingdom that have the potential to wreck a believer’s faith. That is what a stumbling block is. Nevertheless, we can be confident that  Jesus will fully accomplish his Father’s work in spite of those negative factors, just as he did when he sent out the 70 to declare the exciting, world-changing message, that the Kingdom of the heavens had drawn near. 

2017-06-25T20:14:44+00:00 March 18th, 2017|Mailbag|89 Comments
  • Cathii D’Anthonii

    Of a matter of course.
    , we cannot stop preaching out of the love of our fellow man. There are lots to learn about the truth before even getting to the 1914 concept…By then a sincere person who is seeking the truth can see both sides and don’t hesitate to present it ..The best thing to teach is the truth…the truth works. And nobody wants to be mislead.

  • Christian Obadiah

    So mindblowing. For a certainty Jehovah’s Witnesses are the true faith.

    Thank you brother King for upbuilding our faith and helping us not to be stumbled.

  • Nigel

    “Are Jehovah’s Witnesses preaching a false message?”

    Yes, they are.

    They may preach some elements of truth but they also preach some elements of falsehood. Sound familiar…?? See Gen 3:4,5,7,22.

    The Holy Spirit leads one into ALL truth, not just half of it (John 16:13).

    To rely solely on the Watchtower, or any other man (including Brother King), for “the truth” is folly. (I mention Brother King, not out of any disrespect (I thoroughly respect the work he does & the understanding given him), but in case any are inclined to look to him instead of Jesus, the Head of the Church and our High Priest. It would seem that Brother King has been appointed to his office as a Watchman/prophet for the sake of the JWs & The WTS, but don’t be fooled into thinking that JWs are “the (only) true faith”; Jesus said you would know his disciples by the love they have for one another yet love is sorely lacking in many of the JW congregations. Conversely, such love CAN be found in other Christian assemblies (tho’ definitely not all – in this matter JWs are not unique) even if such assemblies are small (compare Matt 18:20).

    • Ken Rosenberg

      Not if they believe the Trinity.

      • Nigel

        Firstly, I would suggest it’s better to leave the judging to the Righteous Judge.

        Secondly, I think the truth on this subject is easily discerned by a plain, honest reading of the Scriptures. It wouldn’t surprise me if many in “Trinity-churches” are sceptical about the trinity but, for various reasons, still attend the same church, just as many who read Brother King’s website still attend JW meetings knowing the truth about Christ’s parousia. It is by the traditions/teachings of men (and possibly a measure of neglect on their own part) that people are led to believe the trinity, just as many believe Christ returned in 1914.

        • Ken Rosenberg

          I understand your point, but that is why Jehovah has commissioned his witnesses to preach truth about the trinity and the cross. Daniel 8:12 The constant feature throws truth to the earth and it has success. Jehovah no longer overlooks ignorance , God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent. Acts 17:30

          If Jehovah’s Witnesses are not God’s people because of 1914, then how do you explain 2 Thessalonians 2:4 in correlation with 1 Corinthians 3:16?

          See, the difference between the Trinity/cross and 1914 doctrines, is that the trinity/cross doctrines are worshipped and 1914 isn’t. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not worship 1914, but Christendom on the other hand does worship the trinity and the cross, which both are inspired by demons.

          This why Jesus says in Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’

          I know Jehovah’s Witnesses do not practice exorcisms, it is very clear that there are two groups of worshippers, one false, and one true. Jehovah has always had a peoples, and they have always succumbed to corruption. Therefore saying Jehovah’s Witnesses are also a false religion is fallacy.

          • Nigel

            “I understand your point, but that is why Jehovah has commissioned his witnesses to preach truth about the trinity and the cross.”

            The JWs may preach the truth about the trinity and the cross (which, btw, is not such an amazing revelation; any reading of the Greek makes it plain and, furthermore, what does it matter what shape the “tree” was? What matters is what was accomplished) but they do not preach the truth about a number of other things. So by your definition, the JWs are not “truth” either.

            Daniel 8:12 Not only is this a prophecy concerning the future but it would seem to me that “truth” pertains to the preaching/teaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ & His coming Kingdom.

            Acts 17:30. Fair call. I reiterate: a simple, honest reading of the scriptures wouldn’t lead anyone into believing the trinity doctrine but I still don’t want to throw anyone into Gehenna just yet because Jah is rich in mercy and Judgement Day isn’t upon us yet. Please read 1 Cor 4:5. Besides, who’s to say there shan’t be a final, worldwide preaching of the truth? The people of the world – and of the churches – will not be left in the dark before the end of this system.

            2 Thess 2:4 & 1 Cor 3:16. God’s Temple is the church, the anointed body of believers who have the Holy Spirit. There are many outside the ranks of JWs who have the Holy Spirit and they are just as much a part of that Temple as those who are JWs. How, exactly, this prophecy will unfold remains to be seen but it will unfold exactly as described without altering that fact.

            “See, the difference between the Trinity/cross and 1914 doctrines, is that the trinity/cross doctrines are worshipped and 1914 isn’t. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not worship 1914, but Christendom on the other hand does worship the trinity and the cross, which both are inspired by demons.”

            Sure, anyone who worships an idol displeases Jehovah. That idol could be a doctrine (e.g. trinity or 1914 – but, honestly, I don’t know of anyone who worships a doctrine; do you?), that idol may be an object (e.g. a literal cross), that idol could be a person (e.g. the Pope) or it may be a golden calf (e.g. the WTS). Yes, all of these are inspired by demons.

            Matthew 7:22: Jesus said “workers of lawlessness”, not those with misunderstandings. Please read 1 Cor 13:12.

            “I know Jehovah’s Witnesses do not practice exorcisms, it is very clear that there are two groups of worshippers, one false, and one true. Jehovah has always had a peoples, and they have always succumbed to corruption.”

            I’m not sure what your point about exorcisms is but I agree with your other statement which I would paraphrase thus: “the wheat & the weeds grow together.” To this I say: “You will know them by their fruits”.

            “Therefore saying Jehovah’s Witnesses are also a false religion is fallacy.”

            I never said they were a false religion, I said they preach a false message. I think the majority of the denominational Christian religions have errors in their doctrine to varying degrees but, as Brother King has adroitly pointed out in the case of the JWs, Jehovah has allowed these operations of error to go forth for his own purposes, which would definitely include testing people’s faith when they’re faced with the truth.

            Finally, please read Luke 9:46-50.

            • Ken Rosenberg

              But they do, all church goers worship the trinity and the cross. I was part of Christendom, and I have debated them, a lot. They don’t care what the bible says, they care more about tradition.

            • Nigel

              If that is the case then those stubborn, rebellious ones will eventually be cast out into the outer darkness for their lack of love for the truth. (To say “all”, however, is a sweeping statement and I assume that you do not really mean “every single person in those churches”, especially as you could not possibly know that.)

              Personally, I have never come across anyone who actually worships a doctrine but if you say it’s so then I believe you.

              Regardless, organisational idolatry is still idolatry, so many of the JWs are not innocent in this regard.

            • Nigel

              Actually, Brother Ken, I now see your point about caring more for tradition and it being akin to actually worshipping a doctrine and I wholeheartedly agree with you.

              In light of that, I would like to retract my earlier statement (lol) and say, rather, that I have come across many (including JWs) that “worship doctrine”.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              However, each different nation came to be a maker of its own god, which they then deposited in the house of the high places that the Sa·marʹi·tans had made, each different nation, in their cities where they were dwelling.
              It was of Jehovah that they became fearers, but it was of their own gods that they proved to be worshipers, according to the religion of the nations from among whom they had led them into exile. 2 Kings 17:29,33,

              Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.”John 4:23-24.

              Why Jehovah’s Witnesses?.
              Excerpt: Who are Jehovah’s Christian Witnesses? Are they the true worshippers of God – the true light-bearers, as the Watchtower Society claims? What makes the witnesses of Jehovah so special? Do they really believe that they are the only ones who will receive salvation? After all, many accuse Jehovah’s Witnesses of being a satanic cult. How could such a maligned sect possibly be the only true faith?.

              Read more> https://e-watchman.com/why-jehovahs-witnesses/

            • Daisy

              Bklyn thank you for the link. Reading Robert’s work literally takes my breath away.
              Pleased to read there , confirmation of jws not having blood on their hands fighting in wars, one of the ways of defining true Christians, by their love.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes that’s a good article. I’ve just read it again now you mentioned it. It really speaks plainly and refreshingly to the faith.

            • Daisy

              (9:50 ) ‘ For whoever is not against you is for you’. On reading the context, here Jesus speaks about those not being against the DISCIPLES in their work.
              A little later in Luke 11:23 Jesus says: ‘He who is not with me is against me, and he who doesn’t gather with me, scatters’. Here, more importantly, Jesus speaks about not being with CHRIST himself.
              Whoever is not against you is for you.
              He who is not with me is against me.
              Distinction…”not against “..
              ” not with.

            • Nigel

              No, the context is not about being against the disciples in their work, the context is in v.49: performing works in Jesus’ name.

              By the way, the word translated “you” in verse 50 is from the Greek “hēmōn” which is commonly translated “our, we or us”.

              Luke 11:23: I think you’re reading something into that which isn’t really there. The word “meta” which is translated as “with” is not limited to the physical realm as you are suggesting. See, for example: Matt 9:2, 13:20, 14:7, 24:30, 31.

              It seems to me that Jesus is simply saying here is that no one can be on the fence regarding His works & His message. Unless one is “gathering” with Christ (obeying His commands, being led by the Holy Spirit, loving God & their neighbour, being a witness, etc., etc.) they are “scattering” (working against the interests of the Kingdom, even if that means they are doing “nothing” – which is what the evil, wicked servant of Matt 25 did).

            • Daisy

              And it seems to me that a lot of stuff that seems to you is doing my head in.

            • Nigel

              Such as?

            • Nigel

              I normally refrain from commenting but I clearly had too much time on my hands this evening. I’m sorry for doing your head in. I think I may just go & delete all of my comments and just slip quietly into the background…

            • Daisy

              Sorry Nigel
              You deleted before I finished being Martha for the day! What with the demands of an ailing 81yo husband, a suicidal son and a homeless granddaughter with two children, I think my head’s done in before I arrive here and its me who ought to slip quietly into the background… I won’t though, because this is where my functioning family resides. Sorry you feel hurt.

            • Beverly kenyon

              You’re being modest Daisy about all the things you’ve mentioned that your coping with and that’s more than enough for anybody, but you forgot to also mention that you’re recovering from the effects of chemo and the cancer you battled with for nine months! So yeah, I’m not surprised your head is done in with ‘fancy’ debate!

            • Joseph Stephan
            • Burt Reynolds

              Sam Cooke looks suspiciously like Joseph if you ask me….

            • Nigel

              They are, indeed, some serious demands, in addition to what Sister Beverly mentioned.

              And it’s ok; I’m not hurt! It’s all good.

              Truthfully, there’s no need for me to voice my opinions, especially if they’re not upbuilding & encouraging.

              I guess it’s just that, sometimes, I get irked at the self-righteous attitude shown by many JWs & JW-sympathizers who blindly believe that no Christian outside of the JWs could possibly worship God acceptably, when such is not the case.

              In addition to some of my own family, I sometimes see that attitude in the comments section here and whilst I usually refrain from mentioning anything I lacked restraint today & blazed away with comments that were, in all honesty, probably from some bitterness.

              My wish is for all to come to a knowledge of God & be saved. I certainly don’t want to engage in debates that encourage no one.

              All the very best.

            • KB

              I agree with you in many areas. Jehovah is the judge. It’s not for any of us to say who will find favor in his eyes, no matter your religion. It’s what in your heart that matters. Religions are man made, which means Satan can influence it and corrupt it. Satan can’t read your heart, only your actions. Love for Jehovah and Jesus will save you, its in their hands.

            • Daisy

              As a lot of my time is taken up caring for others, I don’t have time to be irked or bitter about such things as jws bigotry.
              My focus is on NOT receiving the mark of the beast as that will be our greatest test after all and i shudder at thoughts of facing it. i do that by making up for the time lost being angry at the WT for damages done to me and my family . In my old age im concentrating on my love for Jehovah and Jesus, its in their hands as you say. Not forgetting that the Holy Spirit will sort it all out in the end.
              And I agree with you agreeing with Nigel in some areas.

            • KB

              Daisy, you are not alone in shuddering in fear of facing the uncertainty of how things will unfold in the future. It’s a guessing game. One I’ve played in my head a 1000 times. I think most JWs feel like the GT will only last a few weeks, then we will be reunited with our dead loved ones. I’m not sure how we will not receive the mark of the beast if we are to support our family’s during the real reign of the 8th king. Most JWs don’t even understand the whole mark of the beast thing anyway. The Watchtower has so messed up everything with there lies. I’m not sure which end is up anymore. It’s mind boggling if you think about it too much.

            • Burt Reynolds

              When I have thought on that question, it has brought to mind the case of the Israelites receiving manna from heaven (anyone know what the word manna means?) and that Christ fed the 5,000. If that’s the case and we can neither buy or sell, then either we starve to death or Jehovah feeds us. ( there was also the woman at the well who fed one of the prophets and as a result she never went without again?). The scriptures then point out that a great crowd will come out of the tribulation. Thus the unspoken issue is one of faith. Jehovah either feeds us, or will let us starve to death. But Jehovah is a loving God, a father who, when his son asks for bread, does not give him a stone. All of it, all of it is going to come down to faith. And I have an unbelieving wife who may well bring the mark of the beast into the home and I doubt very much if I am the only one in that situation, but then if nebucadnezzar? can live on grass for seven years,…..I have been eyeing up my lawn for some time now…..

            • Joseph Stephan

              Manna is Instant mashed potatoes, potatoes that have been through an industrial process of cooking, mashing and dehydrating to yield a packaged convenience food that can be reconstituted by adding hot water or milk, producing a close approximation of mashed potatoes.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Ha! What manna of food is that! Jehovah’s instant mash. Just add Spirit.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Mmmm, freshly cut grass for lunch. Delicious and one of your five a day! You’ll have to get inventive with recipes for grass Burt. But like you said, coming out of Egypt the Israelite and the mixed crowd with them was provided for by Jehovah, the account was written down for us, also Noah and his family was provided for because Jehovah gave them instructions for the long, scary days ahead. A great crowd survives the horrors ahead so it would appear that they will be provided for, probably just enough calories for each individual to survive on. Apart from being Divine food, manna was the original superfood, packed with every vitamin and nutrients to sustain the human body. Bet they all had fantastic skin, hair and sparkling clear eyes on that Divine diet.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Don’t want to bore you Burt, but maybe your unbelieving wife is Jehovah’s way of providing for you because as a responsible parent he does provide for us. Because of famine that’s how the Jews in the Exodus came to be in Egypt, he provided for them there, Elijah was fed by Ravens and the Widow of Sidon, he even cares for the land and made provisions by having Nebuzaradan leave behind lowly ones, farmers and vinedressers for when the Jews returned from captivity in Babylon, the early Christians were provided for when they heeded Jesus’ warning about getting out of the city when they saw the disgusting thing standing where it shouldn’t and he provided for Jesus’ burial arrangement by Joseph of Arimathea taking care of it. So it’s interesting to read from some of those examples how he will provide for us from the most unexpected source.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I hope he doesn’t leave me for the full 40 days and nights. Jesus must have survived by having his body sustained by Jehovah because no one could survive 40 days without water and less so living in the Mediterranean lands. I have always wondered why Satan did not offer Jesus water, rather than bread. I think from a spiritual point of view, should my wife bring food home from the mark of the beast, I would not be able to benefit from it because it is indirectly from the beast. It will probably be more of a test. When I moved to my home here to retire, I planted a fig tree and I have to admit it is doing extraordinary well, and I also planted two vines…..so it’s fried figs wrapped in vine leaves for breakfast dinner and lunch, and a booze up from the grapes every evening to forget about it all, and grass to sober up with. Actually fried grass is quite nice. And if we cannot buy or sell, then the fig leaves will at least clothe me. I will be able to create my own clothing label. I’m only a couple of hundred yards from the sea, so I will make myself a fishing rod and expect to catch a whale, as Jehovah always provides in a ‘large way’, does he not?

            • Beverly kenyon

              That’s a brill point about the water Burt. The human body can survive longer without food but not water, so why didn’t scumbag Satan didn’t offer water. I’m gonna be thinking if that one all day now unless you come up with a thought. Wow, you’re a proper Farmer Giles. Laughing so much about the figs and vine leaves and booze grapes and then your hangover food…grass! Can’t type for laughing!! So very funny! You’re gonna be the crazy guy on the beach dressed in fig leaves fishing for whales! I can just see it now! Can’t stop laughing at that image. Because you live in a divided household then it’s a matter of conscience whether you eat whatever ever is provided I think! Not totally sure considering the circumstances. 1Cor8. 10: 23-33. But then Rom14:17 makes you really think on it.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Hi Beverly :-)…if you like to look closer on the test of Jesus faith…how hard do you think it was for Jesus to stand up against satan?Burts point about the bread is a good one…look closer to see if there can be clues in those symbols used..its a warning in this for us to see and better know what to do in these last days..most important for Jesu last brothers “Benjamin”who Joseph (Jesus)was most of all interested in when all his other brothers came to him in Egypt to get …water?…no bread…knock on the door and it will be open for you…search for all the gold nuggets..may Jehovah continue to bless in your search…ps…i am asking and searching and knocking all doors just as you do to try to come closer to Jehovah and our King Jesus …so i am happy to be in good company here on this site with you and all our fellow searchers of the amazing truth about Jehovah and his Kingdom

            • Beverly kenyon

              Now you’ve got me thinking more on the point Arvid. Can’t wait to get digging on the subject! But Burt’s point about the water was a really interesting as I’ve never really gave it thought before. Arvid, I’m so glad you found your way here to this site as we’ve gotten to know you. You know I’ve not forgotten what you say about, our minds are in Jehovahs new world, so now we have get our bodies there. It was only yesterday it popped in my head! I’ll never forget when you appeared on EWatchman and it was DA you reached out to and he said those famous words to you….greetings Norweigian! Classic! It was brilliant! Hope your Mum is okay and well.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hi Arvid, I did my searching and Jesus was hungry not thirsty hence The Tempter saying about the stones into loaves, maybe Jesus found a source of water in the wilderness and instead of being tempted he quoted Deuteronomy 8. Jesus was confronted by this powerful Angel when he was in a weakened state and vulnerable a warning for us when we’re tired and drained. And yes, there’s lots of parallels of Joseph to Jesus, both favourite sons, both rejected, both handed over to authorities, both suffered to be the source of life, Joseph providing grain for his family and the Egyptians as an administrator, Joseph revealed to his brothers, Jesus revealed as the Messiah, both are saviours, both were firstborn sons etc,etc. Don’t know if I’ve got your point wrong but I really enjoyed finding out that information and looking up the scriptures. It was fantastic!

            • Joseph Stephan
            • Beverly kenyon

              Enjoyed that little clip. It gives you a sense of how it could’ve been. And of course Jesus would’ve had perfect teeth like that actor or probably better because of being a perfect person. Don’t you just wanna get Satan in a headlock and skull drag him. I know all of man kinds future was depending on Jesus keeping integrity and faith and loyalty especially being taunted and confronted like that and Jesus was most probably aware Jehovah was watching that encounter but he kept it together and didn’t knock him out! Satan really does need a slap and a manicure as those nails are horrific!

            • Arvid Fløysand

              he he..yes this is a fine “restaurant” to come to for well prepared and delicious meals…and again..very good company..i love you all..i really do..i just arrived from Bergen…a little town 40 min. drive from my farm..i had to go in a hurry earlier today because my mom called me..she went to town this morning and fell in a concrete stair on the sentral bus station in the middle of Bergen city..she got some cuts and bruises and a broken rib…my poor mom..she fell on her face.. many good “samaritans” surrounded her at once and gave her all help and possible support..one woman sat down and held my mom in her arms while another lady tried to clean my moms face from blood with her own packet of paper-tissue..a young man went with her in a taxi to the nearest hospital and sat with her all the time until i arrived …well now she is home and resting…she is sitting in a comfy sofa with my father beside her holding his arm around her like they usually do…she is a real viking woman and im sure she will recover very soon…

            • L.H.

              I’m sorry to hear that about you mom.
              Hope she recovers soon.
              And how touching it is, the help she got from -indeed- ” Samaritans”!
              That gives hope.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Yes you said it…it gives hope..i agree with you…it seems to be a big harvest of good people yet…very comforting to know that Jehova got 100% control and use his mighty angels to make sure that every single person that is like good fish will be saved…His mercy goes way deeper than ours…i often think about Jonah how disappointed he became when Jehovah spared Ninive from total destruction because they all repented…sure it was a good thing for all those people in Ninive that Jehova had the final decision and not Jonah…I belive all the parallels in that story concern our final days…we should rather hope that it in some way ore another should be possible for all people to “find”Jehovah and get saved…thats what our loving Creator really want too…but sadly…He also know the end of this cruel system and have already warned us that the vast majority of mankind wont listen to His voice…let Jehovahs will be done

            • L.H.

              Thats exactly what I believe about the account of Jonah. It is not there in the bible for nothing. All that kind of examples get me great relieve.The futere of every living soul is in the hands of a very mercifull and righteous God. Don’t you think the ones who will be destroyed are willingly opposed to God, and resist the holy spirit ? It seems to me a decade ago it was not as obvious as it is now _ a distinction between good willing people and ouright violent people. We have to wait (on Jehovah) and see.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Agree …the field looks more rape now than a decade ago…and as you said,the distinction between good willing and violent people are more clear i think too…its reasonable that it has to be like this because it is part of the very clear sign of the last days…hope we soon can see the end of this narrow road ..sometimes its steep and even slippery to walk on this road…but its really good with a little help from my friends..

            • Beverly kenyon

              Oh, my goodness Arvid, I want to cry, really upset reading that about your poor mum. Can’t believe that happened. Not surprised she badly hurt herself, you do when you fall on concrete. I hope she’s going to be alright but it’s going to be awful with that broken rib, hope she’s got painkillers and she tries to sleep. All the people especially the young man who helped her are so kind, do glad you got there quick. She is a Viking lady but that broken rib will hurt her. How sweet to hear how your parents still link each other…that is just so sweet. They’re going to be together forever! Please look after your mum Arvid and tell her I’m thinking of her and I hope she recovers and heal soon. Awww.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Thank you Beverly…i hope my parents can be together for ever too…i have not told this before but they do share the truth of the truth..its only that my father is not baptised …

            • Beverly kenyon

              Wow, Arvid, your family is full of surprises! Well, it must work for them and I’m sure your Mum and Dad know what they’re doing. And they’ve done a good job of bringing up their children. I’m sure your Dad has his reasons Arvid. Hope your Mum is going to be alright and she’s not still in any shock from that bad fall.

            • Joseph Stephan

              Prayers for your mum, Jehovah surrounded her with many many good Samaritans. Sending my love to a special viking https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/64406a1ffed6e9f2fc837fa8bafe79b5ad411195418e2b50b8c8609d46361c86.jpg woman made of steal and sugar ❤❤❤?

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Thank you Joseph…you got a big heart…its nice to walk shoulder to shoulder with you

            • Joseph Stephan

              ? keep us posted on her recovery please.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Burt, when I said divided household, I meant in a spiritual sense, as that term sounds a bit ‘iffy’.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Sorry Burt, I’ve just sent you a post but I’ve sent it to myself. Duh! That’s what I get for rushing!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I have been eyeing up my lawn for some time now…..”POW” But! Lol.

            • Beverly kenyon

              That’s a really good one Bklyn Kevin! I burst laughing at that! Really funny!???

            • Bklyn Kevin

              That’s what Burt said and it made me laugh, when we go through the tribulations I would love to have burt by my side because he would probably make me laugh all the way through it.

            • Beverly kenyon

              I know what you mean Bklyn Kevin. Laughing in the face of adversity and Burt and Joseph are the ones to be around along with others that are very witty individuals. There’s nothing better than being in the company of an intelligent funny individual who makes you laugh.

            • muldoon55 .

              Lol

            • Burt Reynolds

              I’m in agreement with Daisy agreeing agreeably to agree with many things that are agreeable with the truth and even in agreeable thinking and reasoning. I think we can all agree to agree on that agreement.

            • Beverly kenyon

              I know you weren’t to know about the heavy demands placed on Daisy whilst she is recovering from her cancer treatment which was a lengthy awful process so some things can be difficult to deal with. I got off the phone before to my 86year old mother who thinks she’s exiting this world any time now and I told her about the vast mixed crowd who left Egypt with God’s dedicated people the Jews and told her its not going to be just JWs that will make it through to God’s new world. Others will most probably be saved, those ones who don’t take the mark of the beast because they have a love of God and his principles. Ones like Servetus and others who died for God’s Word but weren’t a JW. My mother has been witnessed to many times and has Bible knowledge but is not baptised. I also had to tell her the devil has not been kicked out of heaven yet and 1914 is a fat lie and about the deluding influence Jehovah is allowing to go out in the congregations to test them as to who is fake and who is true. Even she as a non witness had it drilled into her head about 1914….thanks to me, so she was in a bit of a state trying to get her head around that but she did totally agree that there’s going to be a WW3. So now I’ve got to detox her head of the 1914 lie being convinced that Satan was here among us! Poor lady! She doesn’t know if she’s coming or going! Don’t take things personally Nigel as its good to have lively discussions but without coming across as a smarty pants! Lol. Cos smarty gave a party and nobody came! Lol.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Whilst I cannot second guess the mercy of Jehovah, I hope that many people who are not JWs, will survive. I think that test will come at the time when Jesus is revealed. The basis for my hope in that is that Jehovah reads the heart of man. The thief being executed with Jesus for instance. He had no past as a worshiper of Jehovah, he was dishonest, but clearly with the things he saw and heard, he asked for and received mercy. Yes, it is easy to both denounce brothers still under the thumb of watchtower, and to sympathise with them. Most ‘encouragement’ comes from focusing on the bad people do, their stupidity of doctrine, because it both elevates and confirms our stand. This is true of all people I think. Thus we are torn by the urge to reaffirm our decisions and knowledge, but at the same time, are drawn to Jehovah’s organisation, and those in it, because like you, like me, we were and are still ‘there’ so to speak. That surely is the paradox spoken of in regard to the watchtower….Jehovah’s organisation, but corrupt! How could that be?! Well it is – and few can get an understanding of that point and so try to equalise it with the rationality of man. Jehovah will be providing a way out for those faint with fear and know not the way out. Be assured that they will accept it if they can see it, like the thief dying next to Christ. The thief on the other side, saw the very same things, and chose to ridicule. Surely then, that is where your answer lies.

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Functioning family?? Cough!! sorry for the both of you. I hope this will cheer the both of you up. Song # 49 https://youtu.be/hV6orq89vOY with lyrics

            • Burt Reynolds

              Well I had to get on down to that, and at six in the morning with the wife still snorin’ that ain’t easy man, an I said ‘hey mr choo choo train, take me away from here, hey mr choo choo train, gonna get me a beer….I’m gonna go south, down in a rail car, get me a visit from Southern ShaSha….

            • Southern ShaSha

              Hey Burt, I hear the horn a blowin!

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Well at least it brightened up someone’s morning. I guess it didn’t work for Daisy. Must have been to snappy, worldly, no kingdom message imbedded and the band isn’t exactly the Bethel choir. Oh well….I tried!

            • Daisy

              Hahaha…I did t r y to listen Ed, but I’m a jazzer by heart. John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Sonny Rollins. P.s Ed…Now …. The bethel choir jazzed up would be interesting listening and I know it would make you cry!

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              I should have known better….and your right that would be complete torture! (smile!)

            • Ken Rosenberg

              Don’t feel like that, challenging everything is a great method for learning.

            • Daisy

              Too late! He’s done it! I’m very sorry my head was done in…I was going to go through his comments again to see what I could learn, especially the meanings of the greek words…Oh dear…

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Nigel, people do worship doctrinal issues, as it is the basis of their faith. The trinity is doctrinal for instance, the assumed power of the golden calf is another. It is having faith in things other than a true and tested faith, that forms worship. It does not have to be a physical issue.

            • Nigel

              Yes, I actually agree with you. I hadn’t thought it through properly when I wrote paranthetical. Putting the traditions of men before God’s Word is the equivalent of putting men’s will before God’s, which is of course idolatry. (I had actually written an acknowledgment of that earlier but it was deleted.)

            • leave that comment above so i can read it again later and comment on it

          • KB

            Jws put a tremendous amount of faith that in 1914 Jesus was enthroned as king. In fact I’d say 99.999% of JWs whole heartedly believe it. I guess it’s not that they worship 1914, but it’s truly a core belief, if not the main teaching of the JWs. It’s almost mentioned at every meeting. Whatever the governing body decides, that becomes doctrine. JWs are ready to believe it whether they believe it personally or not. They have no choice but follow the direction of the slave or be considered an apostate. No one wants that label. In a since the JWs are putting a man made organization on a pedestal, In place of a truly accurate knowledge of the Bible. So it’s not that the JWs worship 1914, but that in a since they are worshipping the leadership of the organization, the governing body. When I was young, you didn’t even know who they were. Now they each love the limelight, and are everywhere. Satan must love the fact the he has Jehovahs chosen people so confused. It’s up to each individual to search for the truth. JWs feel that there search is over because they are a JW now, and they know everything. Robert said it best in one of his articles, not sure which one but he said.

            “In actuality, though, the truth can have a powerful, intoxicating effect upon a person, causing them to be overconfident – cocksure of their own understanding and of their supposed good standing with God.

            Is that the actual state of mind of Jehovah’s Witnesses from Jehovah’s point of view? Yes, it is. Among Jehovah’s Witnesses the prevailing attitude is that merely following the program laid out by the Watchtower Society assures one of salvation and the Watchtower undeniably subtly promotes that culture.”

            • Ken Rosenberg

              “When I was young, you didn’t even know who they were. Now they each love the limelight, and are everywhere.”

              The point is; there are still many JWs who don’t idolize the Governing Body, and there are those who do. I do agree with you though, I didn’t know who any of them were until JW Broadcasting launched, but even ten years ago, my Cousin, who is anointed, still worshipped them and called me out because I knew practically every player’s name in the NBA but not the Governing Body’s. But to say the organization as a whole worships them, I disagree.

              I have many friends that are liberal JWs who are not comfortable with how the GB assumes everything they say is gospel. The prophecy of Isaiah states that Jehovah’s people do eventually come to their senses, and obviously some will not. So I have to disagree that that 1914 is essential, as myself, when I joined, I didn’t know anything of 1914 until I months into my studies and it is the case for a lot of people, as “What does the Bible Really Teach” doesn’t speak about 1914 a lot.

            • KB

              My point is is that some but not all JWs are unknowing idolizing or worshipping the governing body in a since because they have to accept untruths that they promote. The ” what does the Bible really teach” book doesn’t really go into much about prophecy. Almost all the prophecys that the Watchtower promotes revolve around Jesus becoming king in 1914. 1914 is a very essential core teaching in the JW faith. If you search for 1914 in the publications it’s surprising how often it’s mentioned. The many doctrines that the JWs teach are truths that are found in the Bible, that mainly only the JWs follow. The problem with JWs IMO is when it comes to the interpretation of prophecy, because it revolves around the falsity of 1914.

      • Brian

        Trinity is just another part of the grand delusion that has been around now for how long, since just before the end of John??

    • Daisy

      JWs have broken through the barrier of Nationalism, therefore they are known for their love , but only to folk who understand, that the lack of love within congregations is due mainly to emotional gubbins.
      Discerning people also know that any lies taught by JWs is due to the “man of lawlessness”.

      • Nigel

        I would think that JWs are known more for their door-to-door preaching than their love, to be honest. Furthermore, if anyone thought that the JWs were “loving” based on “breaking through the barrier of nationalism” then they would think the Catholics are the most loving of all and that Islam’s love is on the rise.

        No, love is defined in 1 Cor 13 and is shown in Jehovah’s giving of His Son, of His Son’s sacrifice of His life, in those who obey the commands of God & His Christ and those who have, and walk in, the Spirit.

  • Cathii D’Anthonii

    There are only two religions , one is the truth and the other a lie.and Jehovah is hating sects.where are you in that ?

  • Ken Rosenberg

    Robert, what about those who discern this right now? Are we to just stay at home while our brothers are thrown into jail?

    • Cathii D’Anthonii

      “You are my servant, I have chosen you. I have not rejected you.Do not be afraid, for i am with you. Do not gaze about,for I am your God . I will fortify you. I will really help you. I will really keep fast hold of you with my right hand of righteousness.” ISA: 41:9&10

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him. Luke 12:48-B.
      And he said to them: “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation Mark 16:15.

      However, the eleven disciples went into Galʹi·lee to the mountain where Jesus had arranged for them, and when they saw him they did obeisance, but some doubted. And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things. Matthew 28:16-20.

  • Brian

    Well they are preaching a true and false message all in one at the same time, of course everyone here agrees that the 1914 message is wrong but it would appear that not many are really seeing the implications of this. Due to this 1914 message all Jehovahs Witnesses still hold true to all or most of the teachings that have come out of this belief, one that I see which is probably the most damning one is the belief that there already has been a separation in the minds of all due to the fact the they (JW’s) have separated out for themselves the “elect” as a distinct group of people “separate” from the others and this came from the belief that they dreamt up in 1935 after they realised that there were way too many more people than the 144,000 “chosen” ones at the time, trouble is that no one is chosen until the angels actually go forth and separate out those that will be chosen from amongst all that have been called, and all that have taken up Jesus name have been called. This could actually be tantamount to going against the holy spirit as the purpose of the Kingdom message is first and foremost the God will gather those together as a possession and they will become his son’s, the will form the nation that will bring all other nations into an acceptable relationship with or to Jehovah.
    When I say true and false it is to point out that what they are saying, i.e. all of the scriptures are correct but ordered in such away to mislead, mislead potentially the ones that will be chosen by misleading all that have been called to their group..

    • where you been?

      • Brian

        Floating about, I read here on occasions, haven’t commented due to Disqus account confusion but sorted now, how have you been, I saw a comment from you the other day, looks like you were about to “spin out”, I hope all is well for you.

  • Messiah’s Disciple

    Please consider this article my friend. Prayerfully consider all things with an open mind and heart. Hear what the spirit says.http://focusonthekingdom.org/articles/christianhope.htm

  • kieth900

    Wow brother King what a beautiful article! It’s so well explained It made so much sence now. Thank you very much. May Jehovah bless you and keep you!

  • “blinding the modern Kingdom proclaimers to the reality of a future parousia of Christ and all that that entails.”

    but the list of regular readers here are not blind to that anymore. i woud suspect Jehovah had mercy on each of us as we found the truth beyond what we were taught
    for whatever individual reason, using One of his anointed, namely Robert King, as a tool/teacher to further our understanding of the truth not known to the majority of his people. may Jehovah be blessed for his loving kindness and care for those who seek him

  • well i dont know whats going on with your comment Nigel but i cant reply to it

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