When Will Jehovah’s Witnesses Go into Captivity to Babylon the Great?

//When Will Jehovah’s Witnesses Go into Captivity to Babylon the Great?

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At the October, 2015, Annual Meeting of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Governing Body put forward yet another revision, in what has become an annual, piecemeal revision of prophetic interpretation. All of which is attached to 1914 in one way or another.

The most recent “adjustment” has to do with when Christians went into captivity to Babylon the Great, which was the topic of the October 31st Daily Commentary.

Conveniently, the topic also just so happened to come up in the Questions from Readers column in the March 2016 Watchtower. (The timing of the article would suggest that the questions are not always from readers.)

For the uninitiated here is what the WT used to teach, taken from the article linked above:

For a number of years, we explained that this captivity began in 1918 and involved a brief period of time when God’s people came under the control of Babylon the Great. For example, The Watchtower of March 15, 1992, stated: “Yet, as God’s ancient people were taken into Babylonian captivity for a time, in 1918 Jehovah’s servants came into a measure of bondage to Babylon the Great.” However, further research has shown that this captivity began much earlier than 1918.

After “further research” what are Jehovah’s Witnesses required to believe now? The article concludes with:

Given these facts, it becomes clear that God’s people went into captivity to Babylon the Great with the growth of the apostasy in the second century C.E. This was a dark period of time, similar to what the ancient Israelites experienced while in exile. How happy we can be, though, that after God’s people experienced centuries of spiritual oppression, we are living in the time when “those having insight will shine . . . brightly” and “many will cleanse themselves” and they “will be refined”!

It is true that Christianity gradually became corrupted from within and the bishops were eventually subverted by Roman Emperor, Constantine, and thereafter what passed for Christianity became increasingly infused with the religious ceremonies and mythical beliefs associated with Babylon. But here are some things to consider.

First, when Jehovah had Judah taken into captivity it was punishment from him and it served to vindicate his word. That is because the prophets announced that Jerusalem would fall to Babylon years in advance, due to their refusal to obey God and keep their sworn covenant with him. And when it occurred the surviving Jews were forced to “know that I am Jehovah.”

To illustrate the point, in the 12th chapter of Ezekiel God said: “And they will have to know that I am Jehovah when I disperse them among the nations and I scatter them among the lands. But I will spare a few of them from the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, so that they may tell about all their detestable practices among the nations where they will go; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.”

But did the Christians who came under the influence of the Roman religious authority come to know that Jehovah had punished them or why? Although the apostles foretold that Christians would be subjected to cruel shepherds who would not treat the flock with kindness, there is nothing to suggest that such was punishment from God.

Furthermore, the Jewish exile in Babylon did not span thousands or even hundreds of years. In fact, it could be said that the generation that experienced the destruction of Jerusalem did not pass away until they had returned back to their homeland to rebuild Jehovah’s temple. That some individuals experienced that very thing is evident by what the prophet Haggai was inspired to ask the people who were on hand when the second temple was finished: “Who is left among you who saw this house in its former glory? How does it look to you now? Does it not seem like nothing in comparison?”

But the foremost absurdity in the Watchtower’s adjusted understanding is that the desolation of a holy place and a symbolic “Jerusalem” is one of the central features of the time of the end. And while the Watchtower’s “prophets” insist that “Jerusalem” represents Christendom, why would it be necessary for the chosen ones to flee for their lives when the disgusting thing stands where it ought not?

And did not Jesus indicate that the reader ought to use discernment and consult the book of Daniel, which clearly reveals that the holy place that is to be desolated has to do with the things belonging to God? And even the Watchtower acknowledges as much. (See article: The Disgusting Thing that Causes Desolation)

But what does the desolation of the holy place have to do with going into captivity to Babylon the Great?

As Jehovah’s Witnesses well know, at the time when Babylon destroyed Solomon’s temple Jerusalem was known as the place where Jehovah had caused his name to reside. It was a terrible loss for the people of God. In response to that horrific calamity the prophet Jeremiah wrote the book of Lamentations, lamenting the destruction of the holy city. What is more, when Jesus pronounced woe upon Jerusalem he also recognized it as the holy city, calling it such, and referring to the temple as the ‘house of my Father.’ Therefore, it is not reasonable that the antitypical “Jerusalem” would represent Christendom.

Since it was the desolation of Jerusalem that brought the Jews into captivity to Babylon, the future desolation of the holy place will bring about the circumstance, whereby Jehovah’s people will be oppressed by the eighth king and the harlot, Babylon the Great.

Since it can be easily demonstrated that the eighth king has not commenced his reign for the symbolic “one hour”, the command to “get out of her my people” has not been heralded. Clearly, at that critical point during God’s judgment getting out of Babylon the great will not have anything to do with discarding false religious doctrines. It will involve accepting the Kingdom of God as it will manifest itself then.

As for the question posed by the Watchtower: “When were God’s people held captive by Babylon the Great?” It is the wrong question. More correctly, we should ask: When are God’s people going to be held captive by Babylon the Great?

The answer is, just as God entered into judgment with the Jews by means of the sword, famine and pestilence, with the authentic opening of the symbolic seals of the Disclosure Christ will commence the judgment of the house of God, accompanied by war, food shortages and global pandemics. The worldwide work of Jehovah’s Witnesses will be suppressed, which is the underlying theme of the prophecy of Joel. And by that means Babylon will prevail over the people of God until such time as the Greater Cyrus stands up as the deliverer.

2017-01-28T18:31:54+00:00 December 1st, 2015|WT Review|103 Comments
  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    This matter I had already discussed with few of my close JW friends in my Kingdom hall a year before but they usually stare at my face and none of them listened. But anyway Ewatchman’s presentation is excellent and I do always appreciate that. Yes this explanation is correct and sounds good and clear. Yes now I see clearly the bible prophecies after reading Robert King’s article since 2010, but one sad thing is that WTS has blurred the prophecies. It would have been a real asset to WTS if they had listened ewatchman’ s words. If I had a congregation of my own would have invited Robert King. Any way I will never think of Sectarianism as it is against to God and Christ. I will wait for Jehovah.

    • James

      Wisdom!

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        Thanks for that James

  • Jonah Peter Paul

    Great article that only proves more how senseless and stupid and misleading the leadership of the organization has been. All my life as a witness, I have tried to avoid anything to do with prophecies as I couldn’t understand any of them at all. I was good at door to door preaching, defending doctrinal matters but when it comes to prophecies, I never even understood how they came to the conclusion that Christ began reigning as king since 1914. It seems like all the years I have attended the CBS taught me nothing at all. To me it was just another meeting that I had to go to because it is was is asked of me as a Witness and I thought it was what God expected of me. I really wanted to learn though but those books of commentary on Daniel the WT published and the Revelation Grand Climax were worse than boring- it was confusing. Even after many years and we stumbled upon your website, I personally struggled to understand some basic interpretations of prophecy but it was hard cause I haven’t heard of some of the terms. I don’t know what the disgusting thing is neither the mark of the beast or the four horsemen. It got me all curious when my worldly acquaintances would mention things such as “the seven trumpets” and the new world order and I was like, “why do these people from other religions seem to know more than me?” It took me over a year to finally want to get into an in-depth study of bible prophecies with the help of your articles. And I would really exclaim in joy whenever I get to understand what I read and learn. The organization has made it almost impossible to understand or remember the interpretations of the prophecies simply because the interpretations they provided were so nonsensical, you wouldn’t figure out where they got their illogical interpretations from.

    One shouldn’t even have to do a thorough research to understand what the “holy place” is. Those two words already make it very obvious to which it pertains. And when has Christendom been considered holy by God’s people? The WT has complicated matters. Sometimes there are prophecies that are very simple to understand by they try to twist it by making absurd interpretations. And their adjustment of interpretation as regards to Babylon the Great should already give a hint to thinking Witnesses that something obviously is not right. This is just awful. Can’t imagine it could get any worse but for sure it will.

  • Jonah Peter Paul

    Great article that only proves more how senseless and stupid and misleading the leadership of the organization has been. All my life as a witness, I have tried to avoid anything to do with prophecies as I couldn’t understand any of them at all. I was good at door to door preaching, defending doctrinal matters but when it comes to prophecies, I never even understood how they came to the conclusion that Christ began reigning as king since 1914. It seems like all the years I have attended the CBS taught me nothing at all. To me it was just another meeting that I had to go to because it is was is asked of me as a Witness and I thought it was what God expected of me. I really wanted to learn though but those books of commentary on Daniel the WT published and the Revelation Grand Climax were worse than boring- it was confusing. Even after many years and we stumbled upon your website, I personally struggled to understand some basic interpretations of prophecy but it was hard cause I haven’t heard of some of the terms. I don’t know what the disgusting thing is neither the mark of the beast or the four horsemen. It got me all curious when my worldly acquaintances would mention things such as “the seven trumpets” and the new world order and I was like, “why do these people from other religions seem to know more than me?” It took me over a year to finally want to get into an in-depth study of bible prophecies with the help of your articles. And I would really exclaim in joy whenever I get to understand what I read and learn. The organization has made it almost impossible to understand or remember the interpretations of the prophecies simply because the interpretations they provided were so nonsensical, you wouldn’t figure out where they got their illogical interpretations from.

    One shouldn’t even have to do a thorough research to understand what the “holy place” is. Those two words already make it very obvious to which it pertains. And when has Christendom been considered holy by God’s people? The WT has complicated matters. Sometimes there are prophecies that are very simple to understand by they try to twist it by making absurd interpretations. And their adjustment of interpretation as regards to Babylon the Great should already give a hint to thinking Witnesses that something obviously is not right. This is just awful. Can’t imagine it could get any worse but for sure it will.

    • e.v.g

      It is very irritating when someone has been lying to you, JW’s will have to face that situation in the near future, it is not in vain Proverbs 14:15
      The naive person believes every word, But the shrewd one ponders each step.
      Brother Robert is a reminder for the leadership of JW’s but they are still lying shamelessly, enjoying their own glory, what is their goal? is it not some kind of a mundane attitude? would it be very difficult to set things right?

    • D34D 4L!3N

      “commentary on Daniel… and the Revelation Grand Climax were worse than boring- it was confusing” haha

    • Luis Meriño Vásquez

      I love the way you comment hahahahaha its just so funny sister! Ans what you say its completely true! I cant believe why the watchtower or awake does not even mention the possibility of a third world war! Its unbelievebable when everybody that I know even children and people who belongs to christendom know that is going to happen! This is incredible.
      He

      • Jonah Peter Paul

        Actually Luis, the 1981 Awake! did consider the possibility of a third world war but that was a long long time ago. (check out brother Robert’s KB #10 https://e-watchman.com/kingdom-bulletin-10/ ) And they somehow contradicted what they just said with the release of the Reasoning book published a few years later. Its all a big mumbo jumbo when it comes to the Watchtower, it is quite hard to keep up with what they are really teaching as they change it from time to time and sometimes they do it quietly, unceremoniously that the brothers and sisters didnt even notice that a so called new light has been published.

        The current belief of most Witnesses though is like what you said, they have no idea that a third world war is even possible nor that it can happen anytime from now. That is why it will be a big surprise and indeed a stumbling block too when things unfold in a way that they do not expect.

    • Burt Reynolds

      It’s great to meet you. I have had the exact same experience and have been making up for lost time for a year on this site. It’s amazing just how clear the issues are and it has become a great comfort and reassurance of faith well placed.

  • Bklyn Kevin

    Let’s suppose for argument sake that Christendom is the holy place and the constant feature has been removed “as the watchtower claims” that would mean the disgusting
    thing that causes desolation would have been in place for approximately 1,700 years.
    Now let’s make sure of all things and test the watchtower supposed Inspired expression by comparing it to what the scriptures actually say concerning how long the disgusting thing would be in place.
    Now in Daniel 12:7, Daniel did inquire concerning
    the time frame “How long will it be to the end of these marvelous
    things?” please take note of the reply concerning Daniel’s question
    “It will be for an appointed “time, appointed times, and half a time”. As soon as the
    dashing to pieces of the power of the holy people comes to an end, all these things
    will come to their finish.
    And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and the
    disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, there will be
    1,290 days. “Happy is the one who keeps in expectation and who arrives at the
    1,335 days! Daniel 12:11-12
    Now Daniel was clearly informed that the disgusting thing that courses
    desolation would be in place for a concluded period of time and would destroy the holy people , now if Christendom is the holy people that Daniel was talking about how come Christendom is still here 1,700 years later when they should have been dashed to pieces at the concluded time period which would be at the end of the 1,290 days?

    Also please keep in mind how could Christendom be the holy place that
    Daniel was speaking about when history surely can testify that Christendom from its inception has always worked hand in hand with the disgusting thing / political leaders of their day and still do today, also in verse 9 Daniel said” many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined,
    now seriously ask yourself when has Christendom ever been refined?. The answer would have to be never, in view of the overall historical evidence I have personally studied .

    The truth is Christendom has never been refined since its inception and
    cannot be the holy place as the watchtower claims, so therefore the
    prophecies of Daniel cannot possibly have applied to Christendom, it would
    simply be absurd to think otherwise and in fact if one closely studies the
    scriptures thoroughly they will soon realize that the prophecies in Daniel are
    yet to be fulfilled in the immediate future.
    Furthermore the scriptures clearly says all those who call on the name
    of Jehovah will be saved, with that thought in mind ask your self when did
    Christendom ever make GOD’s great name known in a worldwide preaching work ?
    And the answer is never, so in other words if Christendom is GOD’s holy
    people how come they do not profess his great name?, and in fact rather than
    professing GOD’s great name instead Christendom has removed GOD’s name from many of their bibles.
    And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved. Joel 2:32

    • D34D 4L!3N

      “that would mean the disgusting
      thing that causes desolation would have been in place for approximately 1,700 years” baha ha haha ha ha lol

      • Bklyn Kevin

        That’s what the watchtower would have you believe even though the scriptures Clearly testify that the disgusting thing would only be in place for 1,290 days After the constant feature has been removed .
        They are truly delusional if they expect people to believe their supposed new light in view of the scriptural evidence, In fact it is quite laughable.
        http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODProgramsEvents/pub-jwbam_201510_3_VIDEO

        • D34D 4L!3N

          yeah ive found it bizarre that nobody knows the great tribulation is less then 4 years. i cant remember thinking otherwise myself

    • LW

      Well said.

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    To Brother Robert King .
    I have a question for your please reply me.And by that means Babylon will prevail over the people of God until such time as the Greater Cyrus stands up as the deliverer is an excellent insight. Bother do you mean to say that WTS is ashamed to admit this fact? or are they knowingly hiding this fact?

    • D34D 4L!3N

      thing is Basavaraj, somtimes i gotta warp my brain to wrap it around the WT’s version, when knowing the actual truth of what the scripture is saying, its bewildering and odd the WT an Jehovah’s witnesses dont see what its really saying and in cases its obvious the WT must be lying besides being blind

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        Thanks a lot

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Home/Mailbag/How can Jehovah’s Witnesses be so blind and still be….?
      Also read chapter 8 in Robert king’s book under the heading “who is blind ?” .

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        Thanks a Lot Brother

  • tortas

    Just something interesting that was brought to my attention. With all the war propaganda now being delivered, the US is still at DEFCON 5

    • Jonah Peter Paul

      To be able to declare “Peace and Security”, the countries need to be united don’t they? After the Paris attacks (another propaganda) the world superpowers have been calling out to other world leaders to be united and help with the fight against their “common enemy”, ISIS. Brother Robert posted an update about that on the front page of his website. We have read about world powers uniting to combat ISIS and according to news, they are willing to put their issues and differences aside, temporarily. This may have something to do with that. According to an article from RT “Germany is calling for a temporary “special purpose” alliance that will
      unite major global powers, including the US and Russia, in battle
      against a common enemy – the Islamic State terror group running wild in
      Iraq and Syria” here is the full article: https://www.rt.com/news/323901-germany-special-alliance-isis/

  • Willie Thames

    Is it not reasonable to conclude that the antitypical representation of Jerusalem or “the holy city” is that of the anointed ones? Also, I have been going thru a serious of test lately which I would love to think is “the 42 months”. My question is what would you consider to be “the army of the heavens” (Acts 7:42 ; Dan 8:10-12; Matt 24:29) Since stars sometimes refer to angels( and being that im not fluent in Hebrew nor Greek, I decided to ask) could it be that some angels have fallen to the earth to be trampled over by this fourth figurative beast in order to do the will of God here….Also “an army is given over… Since Jehovah has created the universe so vast and that he is often spoken of as “Jehovah of armies” and that thru Jesus, he created the heavens… could it be that there are other “spirit creatures” that are not angels nor demons, who are created to do this will…(Psalms 103:21) …being that Acts 7 speaks of the Israelites disobedience which lead God into handing them over …or rather, “God handed them over” to offer sacred service to the army of heaven …giving them a choice to rather follow him or the star of Rephan or Moloch …so that eventually they were deported to Babylon, what are we to make of it????

  • Francis Bencharles

    It’s interesting that the Watchtower would quote from the Watchtower of March 15, 1992, because that was about 6 weeks after they had invited Satan’s Throne into Jehovah’s Temple by aligning themselves in a covenant (or legal agreement) with the U.N. on January 28, 1992. That was the date that they were officially accepted as a U.N. NGO and agreed to operate under the Charter of the U.N. and perform advertising campaigns for the U.N. as a part of their legal agreement. I would say that they solidly became a part of Babylon right then and there and they are still a part of it. To my knowledge the Watchtower has never repented of this awful sin. On the contrary, they lied about the whole affair, like unrepentant ones often do.

    This is described well in Revelation 2 and this action clearly fulfills Bible Prophecy about God’s Covenant People and their dreadful downfall….

    ““‘Nevertheless, I do hold this against you (Fred Franz who was the angel of Thyatira and headed the Watchtower and it’s leadership in Jehovah’s eyes, as Jehovah does not have multi-headed beasts that serve as vassal’s for Christ), that you tolerate that woman Jezʹe·bel (the wife of the King-The unholy Governing Body),+ who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and misleads my slaves to commit sexual immorality (with the U.N.)*+ and to eat things sacrificed to idols (Mostly Awake articles advertising the good things the U.N. has done for mankind). 21 And I gave her (Jezebel, the Governing Body) time to repent (of her harlotry with the U.N.) , but she is not willing to repent of her sexual immorality.* 22 Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds (no repentance has been seen yet). 23 And I will kill her children with deadly plague (the congregations) so that all the congregations will know that I am the one who searches the innermost thoughts* and hearts, and I will give to you individually according to your deeds.+( You will share with her in her deeds unless you repent and join in in exposing her awful sin before God and Christ) Revelation 2: 20- 23

    It’s been 25 years now since they made this unholy alliance and not a mention of a repentant attitude. No, they are still hiding behind the “library card” lie and have never accepted responsibility for their sinful actions.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Hello again Francis.

      I thought you might find this chapter in Robert’s book quite interesting.
      It might just answer some questions you perhaps have.
      Chapter 10 – Man of Lawlessness.
      http://jehovah-is-king.com/man-of-lawlessness/

      • Francis Bencharles

        I’ve read it but thanks!

        • Bklyn Kevin

          That’s good Im glad you read it. I know when I studied that chapter about the man of lawlessness it gave me a keen insight to what’s going on with the governing body and why they have acted belligerently, I never really realized that the man of lawlessness dwells among Christ brothers right there at the watchtower as the Apostle Paul had prophesized about. I mean it really helped me to understand why Jehovah’s people would be acting in such a lawless manner and it was pretty obvious that you are very frustrated with the governing body as many of us are so that’s why I recommended that chapter concerning the man of lawlessness.

          So with that being said I’d like to hear your opinion concerning the man of lawlessness that the Apostle Paul prophesized about If you don’t mind of course.

          • Francis Bencharles

            Judas was also know as the Son of Destruction and was clearly the arch typical man of lawlessness, being a seed of Satan, but chosen to be an apostle for the very purpose of fulfilling scripture. Jesus knew from the very beginning that Judas would betray him.

            Jesus answered them: “I chose you twelve, did I not?+ Yet one of you is a slanderer.”* John 6:70 If you look up the asterisk by slanderer the NWT says it can also be translated as Devil. Jesus could read hearts and he knew who had faith and who didn’t. He knew that he was not the one that planted the seed in Judas’ heart, but that Satan did, and that’s why he called him a “devil”.

            The man of lawlessness in the Watchtower is a composite man in my opinion although I could be wrong. I think there are “devils” in the Watchtower who put on heirs that they are Christ’s seed and even a part of Jesus Bride when they are not. Jesus said that the Devil would come right behind him planting seeds in the hearts of men just like Jesus did. Some have worked their way into the Watchtower and some even onto the Governing Body. They are not clean animals symbollically and do not belong as a sacrifice on Jehovah’s alter (they are in fact pigs on the alter of God). They did not become a witness because they loved the truth or the word about Jesus, but they loved the power and prestige that they would receive by rising to the top of God’s Organization, just like their Father, the Devil.

            This will all be cleared up at the revealing that will happen very soon. Many will be found out as imposter’s (some knowingly and others not) and some will find out that they were wrong in thinking that they were “annointed” to be a part of Christ’s Bride. The remnant will be the 7,000 that did not bend a knee to the Baal of the Watchtower and their “Governing Body”. It is my opinion that most, if not all of those who are a part of the 7,000 of the remnant do not even know that they are “annointed” and will be as surprised as you and I when they find out. They will be the most humble of mankind.

            When this system comes down and the Watchtower wall with it the leaders of the Watchtower will know that the “game” is up. Those that are faithful and sincerely Love God and his Son will finally repent for all of their wrongdoing and at that time they will symbolically wear the “sack cloth” and “ashes” like the Ninevites, as they are the Anti-typical fulfillment of Ninevah.

            Should I not also feel sorry for Ninʹe·veh the “great city”,+ in which there are more than 120,000 men who do not even know right from wrong,* as well as their many animals?”+ Jonah 4.

            There are 120,000 men and women in the “city” of the Watchtower who upon repentance will be a part of those who will rule mankind on earth under the leadership of the heavenly Kingdom of God.

            As he expressed in Jonah, Jehovah cares very much, not only for these 120,000 but he cares for all the faithful repentant ones in the Watchtower. After disciplining them, he will accept the faithful and loving back into his fold.

            • Beverly kenyon

              This post is very insightful Francis and you’re right about the word ‘slanderer’ meaning Devil…diabolos. You mention the 7000 remnant who didn’t bend the knee to Baal Watchtower and that point reminded me of the 7000 that didn’t bend the knee to Baal in Elijahs time. It looks like your little Bible book study group delves deep into God’s Word.

            • Francis Bencharles

              In the 18th chapter of 1 Kings is where Elijah has his showdown with the prophets of Baal. The Watchtower and their visionaries are the anti-typical fulfillment of the Prophets of Baal. In chapter 19 it mentions the 7,000 and who knows who they actually were in Elijah’s time, but in our day, since they were brought up by Paul in Romans 11, they have application in our day. My take on them is that they are the remnant of the Bride of Christ. I know most will not agree with me. That’s OK too. I don’t think we will ever have full agreement on things this side of Armageddon. But we should all be reading and studying God’s Word and mining for it’s truth.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              More food for thought.

              What about the 7,000 who are killed?.
              Excerpt:
              To be sure, the 7,000 are not merely symbolically killed. The opening of the 5th seal of the Apocalypse reveals the souls of all the anointed sons of God who have been martyred and they ask God how long they must wait for justice. They are told rest a little longer “until the number was filled of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they had been.”

              It is evident that those who are about to be killed will be killed by the beast in the post-crash world for their refusal to worship the beast.

              The number to be filled who are about to be killed is 7,000. (See article: Will Christianity Survive the End of this World?). Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/what-about-the-7000-who-are-killed/

          • Burt Reynolds

            Where in the scripture does it indicate that 7000 will rule on earth as Francis states below? It appears contradictory that an intermediate line of rule would be introduced to carry out the rulership issues of the 144000. It sounds rather like a government quango! Also, who would have the insight with which to join the wachtower as a means of rising to power. It is not apparant tha such is the case until one was actually persuaded after joining. You don’t join the freemasons. You have to be asked for example.

            • ewatchman

              He must be referring to the 7,000 whom I have identified as those who are sealed during the time of the end. Here is an article on the topic https://e-watchman.com/what-about-the-7000-who-are-killed/

            • Burt Reynolds

              Thank you for that Robert. I read it through and understand it more clearly now. Others seem to be suggesting that this event is either at the memorial this year or soon thereafter. This is not true according to the bible scriptures you have pointed out. What scriptural reference are those others using to justify their claim in opposition to the scriptural context? Thanks.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Here are good scriptures Burt to bear in mind when speaking of smooth talkers who mislead others. Psalms 12:2-4.

            • Burt Reynolds

              It’s certainly straight to the point.

            • Francis Bencharles

              Hi Burt:

              Perhaps I did not make myself clear, if so I Apologize. The 7,000 mentioned were mentioned in 1 Kings 19 and quoted by Paul in Romans 11 and they are the remnant of the Bride of Christ that will be revealed at the conclusion of the system of things and the destruction of the Watchtower. They will not rule on the earth. They are part of the Bride of Christ that will rule in heaven.

    • Beverly kenyon

      Francis Bencharles, reading your brilliantly written post reminded me what sent me over the edge and it was their alliance with the UN. To this day I still find that shocking and there was the lies!! That’s when I knew that little word ‘trust’ was broken. How could I believe anything coming from them anymore! I don’t even visit their site! And I read their literature with reservation. For me trust has gone so I can’t take them seriously as they’re working to their own agenda.

      • Joseph Stephan

        I remember a speaker at a assembly back in 2009-2010 stating how lovingly Jehovah protected these Bethel brothers from being killed at the twin towers on September 11, 2001 by having them diverted just moments before the attack, by having them head over to the United nations for a early morning meeting. He even stop his talk pull down his glasses and told the audience that there is nothing wrong with going over to the UN.
        That was one of many “aha moments” for me.

        • ewatchman

          Sounds like Ciro Allucino. He was the contact man for the UN. Of course, he was right. There was nothing wrong with going over to the UN. JW’s take tours of the UN all the time. And there is nothing wrong with using the UN’s library.

          What he failed to mention, though, was that the WT actually joined the UN as an associate level NGO. That is a pretty big deal, which required the WT to use a portion of its assets to inform the public about all the wonderful things the UN is doing. Which it dutifully did.

          • Joseph Stephan

            I remember that, I think it was through the 90’s decade I would see UN propaganda in the awake magazine.
            Made me scratch my head……..

        • Beverly kenyon

          Oh, So Jehovah used the Beast to protect Bethel brothers from being killed. Mmm…and here’s me thinking of ‘time and unforeseen circumstances.’ And of course good old Ciro is gonna say it’s okay to pop into the UN and use their services knowing very well he was probably one of them that was heavily involved with their unholy alliance! Shameless! I know the Bible teaches not to become heated up over evil doers but reading stuff like that makes my blood boil and then to make matters worse by LYING about it and to top it off there’s the Sex abuse scandals and misappropriating the donations of Witnesses who are scratching about trying to survive on limited budgets. And I’m suppose to trust the word of ‘snake oil salesmen’…I don’t think so! They can spin it all they want, every which way, they are BORN LIARS!

          • Joseph Stephan
            • ewatchman

              Interesting, all of the GB members that were part of the NGO caper have died off. I doubt some of the newer ones, like Sanderson, are even aware of it.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Sorry Brother King, I disagree. They would have to be living in a cave to not know that! That’s a massive scandal! Irrelevant if they’re a bit naive and ‘innocent’. Perhaps it’s a case of hear no evil,see no evil, speak no evil, and hope it all goes away!

            • ewatchman

              I think JW’s do live in a protective bubble. The GB don’t think there is any truth other than what they say is true.

            • Joseph Stephan

              That’s so true, I’m thinking 90% doesn’t think for themselves. Their not allowed to think, research or participate in anything thats not GB approved .

            • LW

              There’s much disinformation, misinformation and outright propaganda to turn any truth seeking individual from the clear and simple truth in the Scriptures. So for one that is not adequately trained to do research, well guess what? Yeah they will be diverted..because Satan is adept at giving kernels of truth surrounded by a molass of lies.

            • Joseph Stephan

              That is so true!

            • LW

              When the Malaysian airliner flight MH370 inadvertently “disappeared” over the Indian ocean a few years ago and the official word was well we don’t know what happened to it…and there are hundreds of satellites in orbit around the earth as we speak equipped with powerful cameras that can see minute details.

              The deception and obfuscation of truth is incredible.

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Your right LW, the truth is simple and should be kept that way. If we keep our BS detectors calibrated it will keep all of us from that rabbit hole, and when I notice more teachers then students all around I like to keep it fine tuned.

            • Joseph Stephan
            • Burt Reynolds

              I think you will find they have a cave in the new palace that doubles as a bunker.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Burt you’re making me laugh. I’m at work and me and my colleague Lee are reading all the comments and we both like this one of your’s and we like that word ‘obfuscation’ that LW mentioned.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Even if they were aware, Watch tower rule number one applies. ‘It’s apostate lies…’ Rule number two. ‘If it’s true, it’s an apostate lie.’

            • Francis Bencharles

              I’ll bet Losch is aware of it.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Just skimmed over that post Joseph as I’m on my way to work now but I’ll read it properly later tonight but I knew it, good old ‘Al pacino’ sorry Allucino, was up to his neck in it! The whole sordid episode with all the players involved knock me sick! Allucino appears obsessed with the UN so he needs to go work there full time! Another wannabe who wants to play with the big boys on the world stage! And I’m suppose to listen to them… not happening! Thanks Joseph for that link can’t wait to read it in full.

          • Burt Reynolds

            No Beverly, the watchtower got it wrong about Jehovah diverting them to the United Nations building to prevent them being killed. He sent them to the United Nations building because he wasn’t going to get away with it that easily with a million tons of world trade centre on their heads. They have to know that he is Jehovah. ‘NEW! Sin now, pay later! Get you free sin at the United Nations, pay no interest until the great tribulation. Benefit from 100% payback…..guaranteed! ‘

            • Beverly kenyon

              Exactly Burt!!

            • Burt Reynolds

              It Makes you wonder what business they had at the world trade centre anyway! Apostle Peter to interested party…’sorry, Jesus is out today at the Roman World Trade Centre, doing a deal for a new world headquarters. Can you come back tomorrow or see an elder in your own congregation first. Jesus is very busy you know…’ It does not really ring true does it?

            • Beverly kenyon

              Good point Burt. And can you imagine the apostle Paul when he was hauled before Kings and Govenors (Agrippa, Festus, Felix, etc), saying to them, I’ll promote your kingship and administration to my congregations if you treat us favourably but instead he used those intense occasions to give a witness and present his case in an honest and reasonable way, not cosying up to them. They were trying to be friends with the beast to try and save God’s people if they were threatened in any way and admiring the beast in the things they wrote in those Awake magazines…in my opinion that is. Personally, that UN building should not have a true Christian’s foot step into that building. A person should walk the long way round to avoid it. Doesn’t matter about their fancy library. They couldn’t resist collaborating with the enemy. Good old Ciro Allucino kept going every Wednesday to that building and his desire to be ‘friends’ with the beast kept growing, it kept bubbling until he acted on it! Reminds me of James 1:14,15 and Genesis 4:7.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Genesis 3:6
              Consequently the woman [/Ciro Allucino ] saw that the tree [/UN] was good for food and that it was something to be longed for to the eyes, yes, the tree was desirable to look upon. So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward she gave some also to her husband when with her and he began eating it.

              Isaiah 44:20
              20 He is feeding on ashes. His own heart that has been trifled with has led him astray. And he does not deliver his soul, nor does he say: “Is there not a falsehood in my right hand?”

              Deuteronomy 32:5
              They have acted ruinously on their own part; They are not his children, the defect is their own. (A generation crooked and twisted!)

            • Beverly kenyon

              In no way Bklyn Kevin am I in your league scripturally so please bear with me if I get things wrong. Those scriptures you’ve posted sum up for me Ciro Allucino’s thinking and intentions. He was seduced by the impressive machine that’s the UN with its power and form, week after week his desire to covet it’s magnificence grew. He had to have “her” so it’s very fitting for Brother King to describe it in his book, Jehovah Himself has Become King, as Strange Bedfellows, because before you knew it he had jumped in bed with the object of his desire! Age old story of seduction, desire and power! Despite most of the players in that outrageous episode dying off the current ones ‘at the top’ are still tainted by it, still haunting and taunting them like a spectre because not once have they owned up to such a thing or apologised, but to own up and apologise would be to own it…yes we did do such a thing…Francis Bencharles put that thought across better than me but it’s what they should do…obviously they’re reading a different Bible to us! But it’s not going to happen because they have too much to lose i.e, Benjamin Franklin, the Greenback, the Moolah, their billions!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              In no way did i say or believe that you wrong.
              In fact I thought your comment was excellent and on point and I decided to add some other scriptures as to complement your comment.
              And also I greatly appreciated when you used scriptures in your comment as to support your thought and show Jehovah’s opinion.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Sorry, Bklyn Kevin, I wasn’t implying that you were saying to me that I was wrong in my original post. I was trying to say to you if I get things wrong could you understand as I’m definitely not in your league and I get a bit nervous trying to explain myself coherently to ones like yourself. Sorry about the crossed lines and confusion. I’m just glad you let me know! Lol.

            • Burt Reynolds

              ‘And the serpent said to the woman ‘does Jehovah really say that your card will not be stamped if you partake of the library for you will not be overdue and fined if you partake of the library, for in that day, your eyes will be opened and you will write about the United Nations and tell the flock how good they are and verily prostitute yourself amongst the nations.’ Then the woman called Cirosis looked upon the smutty top branches of the books upon the tree and saw that the book entitled ‘How to win friends and compromise’ was very good and she did read, and offered the rest to the Governing Body and they did read also. And it came to pass that in the breezy evening part of the day that the investigating journalist did call and asked Cirosis ‘what is this that you have done…..’ ‘What has been done in secret shall be exposed…’ And it came to be an evening, and a morning of the last day…(Book of Burt. Ch.66.v6 ).

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Satan keeps using the same old tools /scenario but only in different times and with different people, he’s truly a master at deception.

              Romans 16:17-18.
              Now I exhort YOU, brothers, to keep your eye on those who cause divisions and occasions for stumbling contrary to the teaching that YOU have learned, and avoid them. For men of that sort are slaves, not of our Lord Christ, but of their own bellies; and by smooth talk and complimentary speech they seduce the hearts of guileless ones.
              For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers,transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light.
              2 Corinthians 11:13-14.

            • Burt Reynolds

              This is the scripture the watchtower relies on for shunning. How is that action refuted in the bible? What is the correct understanding? Thanks.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Podcast #48
              https://e-watchman.com/podcast-48/

              Starting time to listen is at 22:40 for the answer to your question.

              Questions covering the treatment of Christ’s brothers now; and if the Watchtower’s “shunning” policy is scriptural. Also, a series of questions about the disgusting thing that causes desolation

              It’s good to keep in mind that the watchtower in many cases has obviously went beyond the things that were written in the bible and have added their own policies which are unbiblical in regards to shunning and excommunication as a student of the bible you are solely charged with the responsibility to make sure all things as the Apostle Paul had instructed Thessalonians 5:21.

              Keeping in mind that Jesus’ word in the bible has the final authority.

              And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Matthew 28:18.

              However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to YOU as good news something beyond what we declared to YOU as good news, let him be accursed Galatians 1:8.

            • Francis Bencharles

              That’s a very good one B.K., very good indeed. I have another that you may like as well.

              Again the Devil took him (his bride, his flesh) along to an unusually high mountain (the administration of the U.N.) and showed him (them, his bride) all the kingdoms of the world (all the territories, including those now under ban or persecution) and their glory.+ 9 And he said to him: “All these things (territories) I will give you (allow you to preach without interuption) if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.”(according to the terms of our agreement).

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Jesus clearly set the example for his bride /144,000 to follow however we know there will be a son destruction a man of lawlessness like Judas who betrayed his brothers by accepting the devils offer and he will do that by paying the eighth king reverence thus accepting the mark of the wild beast and that will lead this man of destruction to his ultimate demise the second death.

              Mark 14:21

              True, the Son of man is going away, just as it is written concerning him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been finer for that man if he had not been born.

              Psalm 41:9
              Also the man at peace with me, in whom I trusted, Who was eating my bread, has magnified [his] heel against me.

              Psalm 109:8
              Let his days prove to be few; His office of oversight let someone else take.

              After saying these things, Jesus became troubled in spirit, and he bore witness and said: “Most truly I say to YOU, One of YOU will betray me.” The disciples began to look at one another, being at a loss as to which one he was saying [it] about. There was reclining in front of Jesus’ bosom one of his disciples, and Jesus loved him. Therefore Simon Peter nodded to this one and said to him: “Tell who it is about whom he is saying [it].” So the latter leaned back upon the breast of Jesus and said to him: “Lord, who is it?” Therefore Jesus answered: “It is that one to whom I shall give the morsel that I dip.”And so, having dipped the morsel, he took and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Is·carʹi·ot. And after the morsel then Satan entered into the latter. Jesus, therefore, said to him: “What you are doing get done more quickly.” However, none of those reclining at the table knew for what purpose he said this to him. Some, in fact, were imagining, since Judas was holding the money box, that Jesus was telling him: “Buy what things we need for the festival,” or that he should give something to the poor. Therefore, after he received the morsel, he went out immediately. And it was night. John 13:21-30.

              During those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (the number of people was altogether about 120) and said: “Men, brothers, it was necessary for the scripture to be fulfilled that the holy spirit spoke prophetically through David about Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus. For he had been numbered among us and he obtained a share in this ministry. (This very man, therefore, purchased a field with the wages for unrighteousness,+ and falling headfirst, his body burst open and all his insides spilled out. Acts 1:15-18.

      • sally

        Me to Beverley, I couldn’t believe what I was reading when I found out about the ties to the U.N. It was truly shocking but even more shocking was the lies that were told when the secret was uncovered to appease the worldwide congregations. It was enough for me to realise that there was much to study in relation to the org and that is wasn’t what I had been led to believe (pure and clean) at all.

        • Beverly kenyon

          I always thought my religion was pure and clean Sally and I was the bad one because I always felt something wasn’t right and I didn’t like the behaviour of some witnesses with their cliques and bad manners and being judged on wether you answered up at meetings, you attended meetings regularly, how many hours you put in on the ministry, who you knew…the whole set up was one of competion, competing and if your face didn’t fit in then you were left out..I saw it happen to many and heard the complaints and I used to think, I can get this sort of thing in the world, I haven’t signed up for this. The whole thing was so demoralising. So finding out about their UN association, which was scandalous and diabolical, and then the disgraceful lying cover up that was the tipping point for me and then they finished me off with the sex scandals! What the flip was happening! I truly could not breathe at what I found out! So finding out why these things was happening in my religion took the edge off the devastation and betrayal I felt. All I know is that we have something beautiful to tell ones who don’t know about Jehovah’s purposes for the future, about the Heavenly Kingdom to come, so yeah, to me my religion is true and I will always be grateful for it and proud of it and I know this because Jehovah and his Son, our King tells me so in his Word. It’s just dysfunctional at the moment but Jehovah will be sorting that out soon and putting it right and I’m holding on to that because I know 100% that will happen Sally.

          • e.v.g

            Hi sister, sorry if I’am being nosey, our relationship with God is personal, Adam failed to God because he loved Eve more than Jehovah. God said to Adam
            “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life.
            Adam was not deceived (1 Tim 2:14) (He could think “She is so beautiful and she is mine!!!”). Our relationship with Jehovah does not depend on anybody or anything, just by Jesus. The org. its only an instrument, we each have a responsability before God. But we must be careful about who we are listening first, or who we are listening in the future.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Don’t say that e.v.g, I always like whatever you have to say…you’re never nosey and even if you were, I wouldn’t mind at all. I get your point. Adam focused his relationship on his wife, Eve and listened to her as scripture says the woman was thoroughly deceived but he wasn’t and as we know the rest is history. And yes the org is an instrument used by Jehovah but when you’re in you become a part of how it’s being run and you don’t fit in and find your niche it can become a miserable place week in week out especially if you’re a single person. Families have each other so do married couples so they have a support system but if you’re single and haven’t made a friend then that person is sat there in the KH surrounded by other people but you might as well be sat there in an empty Hall. It’s soul destroying irrelevant of your personal relationship with God which you most probably do have but it doesn’t take away the fact you’re having to face a cold soulless atmosphere. It chips away at a person until something gives, for good or for bad.

            • e.v.g

              Matt 11:28-30, Phill 4:12-13

            • Beverly kenyon

              Great Scriptures e.v.g. And another one to consider is Matthew 23:8 as we have only one Teacher, the Christ and all others are brothers.

        • Beverly kenyon

          Hiya Sally, just checking in with you to say hello and hope everything is okay with you.

      • Francis Bencharles

        Beverly: You are right not to trust them. They do tell the truth a lot, but there’s no telling when they are telling a whopper if you trust them all the time. The U.N. infidelity was awful, the lack of repentance since is so much worse for them and all those that put their trust and faith in them. Too bad as there are a load of wonderful people being misled by them. Not to worry, as the wall will come down very soon.

      • Francis Bencharles

        First off Beverly, sorry for not responding to you sooner. It is years ago, and my memory is not what it used to be, but in the early 2,000’s I was doing personal research on the U.N. and came across Robert’s site among others and read of this horrible atrocity. I was stunned, absolutely stunned. At that point in time I had been a witness for about 25 years, was an Elder and I have to admit I was a dyed in the wool J.W. . I had already been struggling with the child abuse issue which I was quite familiar with having been on a few committees hearing cases where “brothers” in the congregation were molesting little sisters. I had read every letter about child abuse that our congregation file had and I have to say the official stance that the Society took shook me to my very bones. At this point in time I decided to make sure that this truly happened and that it was not just an attack by opposer’s like the society had said in letters to the Elders. After about three years of investigation (just to make sure) I was sure that it did in fact happen and that there was absolutely no recognition of the committing of a horrible sin and even more distressing the total lack of repentance.

        In early July 2006 I submitted my letter of disassociation to the congregation Elders. They visited me once and made a half hearted attempt to regain me as a brother, but it was to no avail. I was sure that by then they had totally lost Jehovah’s Spirit. In my opinion, their most important job in this world was to gather the remnant of Christ’s Bride and to offer to mankind salvation covenant’s based on Christ’s sacrifice and their repentance. But how can you officiate a baptism of repentance when you are collectively an unrepentant sinner? My conclusion is that you can’t. Jehovah would now and would have then forgiven them if only they would have repented. They chose to take the path of Satan and pride rather than the path of their husband and owner of humility and repentance.

        My decision was not an easy one. It cost me my marriage to a woman I adored but who came to see me as an apostate from Jehovah. I understand that she thought that I was abandoning Jehovah as she never could see my point of view, but that was not the case at all. Also, needless to say all my friends in the Truth have shunned me since then. Oh, by the way, the Elders never made another attempt to regain me. I guess I was a lost cause in their eyes.

        I have learned a lot reading Robert’s site and have found many wonderful truths from God’s Word in my own personal study and those with a few brothers and sisters in Christ that I now associate with. All is not lost though. Jehovah is a very loving and merciful God who will teach the Watchtower and the imposter’s that have taken over the helm of the Watchtower a valuable lesson. But in that lesson will also be a regaining of many of them that will be willing to repent and ask Jehovah for forgiveness. I look forward to fellowshipping with my old brothers and sisters from years ago. I hold no animosity toward them as I know that they were only doing what they thought was right however misguided that thinking was.

        I also look forward to the many millions of people who will be harvested and led by the angels out of Babylon and out of the anti-typical Egypt. That time is very close and the anticipation is stifling. I look forward to it anyhow. How could you not?

        • Beverly kenyon

          No problem Francis. It’s fascinating to read your story and how being an elder works especially behind the scene. You were treated really badly by those ones and it makes me feel sad and angry for you and then to add insult to injury your wife took off! I don’t know how you coped…you must have great faith and nerves of steel and principled and you cared. No repentance will come from them as there’s too much to lose and they’re in the grip of the MOL, so this is going to the max…to the bitter end…they have no respect for or fear of Jehovah, his Son and his People. It’s great to read of you being forgiving and having hope for the future. Those elders are only men and can’t give you everlasting life so who cares if they thought of you as a lost cause because you’re clearly not a lost cause to Jehovah as he sustained you in your bad situation and he guided you here for spiritual support and to reassure you that your trials wasn’t just unique to you alone as there’s ones on here with similar stories who have experienced horrible things in the org. It’s also amazing to read that you did something about your situation and didn’t waste time crying in your coffee or staring into the bottom of a bottle, you became pro-active. That’s brilliant how you meet up to study the Bible with others. So happy you’re not alone as it must be difficult at times because of your disability. I do hope you’re right when you say the time is very close even though it’s going to be the most horrific of times for mankind. Please Francis, don’t proof read my post to you because as you can see I’m not the worlds best English student and I’m completely useless at writing essays but I hope some of what I write with my ‘scribblings’ is understandable. Lol. Thank you for your reply.

          • Francis Bencharles

            I only said that to Robert because he is a professional writer and I can tell that he strives for perfection in his work. I don’t proof read others comments. I’m sure mine are not without mistakes as well.

            My wife and I were still in love when she left me, but she just could not cope being married to a man who was an apostate in her eyes and in the eyes of all her friends. She was a wonderful person who just met a situation that she could not handle. She died about 2 years later of lung cancer (never smoked) and I look forward to seeing her in the resurrection.

            Thanks for your nice comment!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Just read your reply Francis and couldn’t help but feel so sad about how it went for you and your wife. Just awful. It will be the happiest of time when you and your wife meet up in the resurrection and you both won’t even remember the nasty times you had in this cruel world. Hold on to that hope and make sure you get there!

            • Francis Bencharles

              Death has ended our marriage together and who knows what will happen in the Kingdom of God. Surely though, she would never make that same mistake twice. My faith is strong Beverly, I don’t think it will give out if I keep feeding it good spiritual food from God’s Word. Thanks for your nice comments. They do help!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yes Francis, death did end your marriage but you will hopefully meet up in the God’s New World and who knows she might make the same mistake. Lol. Kidding aside, I get that your faith is strong and it is considering what you went through so I hope you get there to welcome her back. That will be a wonderful time for you both!

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              OH! Oh! Sorry! Brother your are holding faith that’s really a good quality. You indicated your wife died about 2 years later of lung cancer. Well one of my friend who is working in University of Agricultural science in Bangalore said that cancer can affect any person even a teetotaler because that’s the agenda of Illuminati. A teetotaler can get cancer due to the pesticides being used in the agriculture farming such as the weed killer called round up which uses Glycophosphate which is a carcinogen which is manufactured by an Illuminati company. So in one way I am also always in doubt that I may get cancer that is why I pay a high price and buy organic vegetables but who knows it is really organic?

            • Francis Bencharles

              It could have been anything brother. My guess is that it may have been long time exposure to cleaning solutions. My wife was self employed as a home cleaner so that she could pioneer. She may have gotten the cancer from that. Who really knows though. She is dead,but the resurrection is near, so how much did it really hurt?

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              Usually we will be discussing about Robert king and his articles.Truly I say to you last night when I was in the bed I was discussing about You and sister Daisy with my dear wife.

              My wife really felt very sad about you and your wife. Well I personally prayed for You . I don’t know why. Truly speaking I will usually pray for Robert King. Well its time for me to think about people who have struggled/struggling in their life.

              Well I will always remember you in my prayer, yes truly.

              May Jehovah give you great strength in you. Have a nice day.

            • Francis Bencharles

              Thank you very much, your comment is very touching to me. Keep the faith!

        • Daisy

          Francis. Those ‘few brothers and sisters in Christ that you associate with’ would benefit immensely from association here. Please don’t hesitate for one more minute to introduce them all to us , there’s a dear:D

          • Southern ShaSha

            Dear Daisy, it’s wonderful having you back. Sure hope all is going very well for you! I agree with you concerning Francis, it would be wonderful having his new study group joining in. Our own little ‘great crowd’. Take good care of your self, think of you often! Big hearts to you.
            Joyce

            • Daisy

              Lovely to hear from you Joyce. Life’s a struggle but I hold it together for the sake of family members who have difficulty coping…not bragging. Being here has saved my life in more ways than one. There’s nothing else in my world quite like it and I’ve said before that this safe place is empowering, not only spiritually but emotionally and mentally. You’re right, it’s our own little great crowd bless your heart. Sending love to you sis, it would be “warm Christian love” but I hate that expression. “Warm” ! lol 😀

          • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

            Respected Sister Daisy
            The way you are commenting is really good and encouraging. Do you know I always read your comment carefully? Because you have the spirit of encouraging others and I like that and appreciate. Yes I strongly agree with you that associating here really has immense benefit. Kindly keep on commenting like this. My respect, brotherly love and affection will be always be with you. May Jehovah and Jesus bless you. I value you just like Paul valued the faithful woman Lydia of 1st century Christian congregation

            • Daisy

              That’s an awfully nice compliment Basavaraj, so thank you very much…I’m blushing to be compared to Lydia, though I do have her love of strangers in common in that I was more than hospitable to my brothers for years and years. Husband and I had the means , so we could afford to be generous.
              Don’t see any brothers these days as I’m judged “inactive”. But two young elders did visit to organise the hospital liaison committee after my first operation when I’d already refused a blood transfusion! They did say one beautiful prayer before they left which got me emotional.
              I’ve not been to the meetings for about 9 months as after treatment and caring for family there was only time to flop into bed. My next meeting will be the Memorial and I dread the thought of attending as the talk always becomes an opportunity for the bethel propaganda.
              We seem to have lost so many here lately. First our Cocheta. And then, where has 1914 Alex, Rollee, Elijah 7, Sam gone? Might still be lurking? Hope so.
              Respect and love to you my courageous brother.

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              I like to know more about you because you have really suffered. I like to associate with persons like YOU, Robert king, Francis Bencharles, Beverly Kenyon,Burt Reynolds just to name a few.

              Actually I am learning from you or Francis Bencharles how to build faith even in the time of tribulation, because if God’s kingdom dose not come in my life time I know one day I am also going to suffer.

              I want to know where are you from?

              How did you first come to know about Jehovah?

              Are you still an active JW?

              What are you doing?

              How did you come to know ewatchman’s website?

              Please let me about your family I like to know I want to have broader friendship with the people those who associate here in this website.

              Never I asked this anything like this but I will those who have undergone suffering.

              Let my association be with the afflicted one than with the one who is well off.

              Usually we will be discussing about Robert king and his articles.Truly I say to you last night when I was in the bed I was discussing about You and Francis Bencharles with my dear wife.

              My wife also really felt very bad about Francis Bencharles’ wife. Well I personally prayed for you and Francis Bencharles, I don’t know why. Truly speaking I will usually pray for Robert King. Well its time for me to think about people who have struggled/struggling in their life. Well I will always remember you, yes truly well everyday.

              Well I will truly respect a woman like you. Yes as I said earlier I value you highly then only I can be called as a true JW.

              Thanks a lot sister thanks a lot.

        • ewatchman

          Thanks for sharing your experience. You have a lot of faith. And that’s a most precious spiritual quality. So sorry you lost your wife. Very sad.

          • Francis Bencharles

            It was indeed a very sad time. Lost her twice.

  • Huldah

    Hope it’s okay I keep commenting on old posts.?
    I had to mention this as it applies so well to the article.
    About two years ago I felt compelled to pray repeatedly for Jehovah to free me from Babylon the Great.
    I am a baptized witness former pioneer so I’m not talking about Christendom.

    I had this strong sense that I felt just like Russell must have in the founding days of the truth. Establishing the truth in the face of clergy opposition with no 8 million strong organisation to ground him in his beliefs.

    I actually felt that what I saw being carried out by many leaders in the truth constituted the fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses had moved into the realm of BTG. This is the only way I could interpret it at the time.

    I wanted to be freed from the organization based lies and traditions of men and see the real truth the way Russel did originally for the foundational teachings. I thought it might be less painful to be one of JWs if I could get clearer on what is happening.

    I kept praying.
    Robert describes his enlightenment as a “whoosh” of HS and clarity.
    I have to say I had a similar experience.
    I have pages and pages of texts and research and notes from that time including some of the basic framework of what Robert presents here especially on the man of lawlessness the apostasy and the judgment on the HOG( as I abbreviated it many times ).

    My experience seems to add even more credence to the idea that we may have to flee Jehovah’s organization in its apostate state as captive to BTG.

    I didn’t really put all of this together until I read this article.

    A few months ago, I stopped praying about being freed from BTG and am now praying to be brought into Jehovah’s sanctuary in harmony with Psalm 73.
    I feel exactly like Asaph and the only thing left is to be brought into Jehovah’s sanctuary.

    I believe these two prayers have been answered and are in the process of being completed for me.

    It’s exciting to see how this idea of BTG ties in with the future.
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    • It is absolutely okay to comment on older posts. Besides, this one isn’t that old. ;~)

  • Sharon

    I believe all Christianity will be suppressed at this time,dont forget there is more lovers of god and truth than jws.even geofry Jackson knows this,when asked are they the only ones,he said that would be quite presumteous to say such a thing

    • true, scripture doesnt say half of Christianity will be suppressed.
      all true Christians will be along with the world.

      is a lover of God not a witness of his? 1-Cor 8:3 Zechariah 8:23 people dont need to be devoted to the WT and trusting in the Org. Jer 7:4 Heb 13:13. that is why no man is able to number the great crowd. even the WT publications do not teach that only people with the lable JW baptized in the Org will be saved or anointed. this does not mean all evangelical Christendom sects of Babylon are the body of Christ. the disgusting thing is not mentioned to stand in a unholy place but to invade the sanctuary and tear down the constant feature. the man of lawlessness is not said to set in every temple that claims to be of Christ. its obvious that the constant feature gives praise to Jehovah by name. the anointed and other sheep will both know Jehovah

      • Arvid Fløysand

        Agree…and the true temple is the annointed ones…where ever they are…Just look at Jesus family-tree…they was not all jews…many surprises in that family indeed…Jehovah search all hearts and know how to find those that nobody else would even dream of 🙂

        • yeah i’ve said primary Christian’s are the anonted, that is why i say the temple will no doubt be linked using the name of Jehovah. really anyone is a Jew when drawing close to Jehovah in truth. saying Jew just gets in the way imo so i dont bother much. they either accept Jehovah or unwilling. some with a heavenly calling and others aglow with the spirit and there are some righteous and others not so righteous

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