Jehovah’s strange and unusual work

//Jehovah’s strange and unusual work

Friday, April 28

Wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse.2 Tim. 3:13.

History has demonstrated beyond any doubt the truthfulness of what the Bible says: “I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.” No, Jehovah did not create humans with the ability or the right to direct their affairs independent of him. In addition to showing how futile human rule is, God’s temporary permission of wickedness serves another long-range purpose. It provides permanent testimony that only God’s rule can be successful. After Jehovah destroys wickedness and those who cause it, if anyone ever again would challenge Jehovah’s way of ruling in love, there would be no need for God to permit the challenge to stand. He could use what has happened in mankind’s history as the just reason to remove such rebels quickly, not allowing them to establish wickedness once again.

COMMENTARY

Human rulership has been a failure across the board —including those who rule, or govern for God. Look at the history of the kings of Israel and Judah who ruled in Jehovah’s name. Only a few were considered good kings, and even they had serious lapses of judgment. For example, not only David’s moral lapse with Bathsheba, but his ill-advised census of Israel brought Jehovah’s adverse judgment upon the nation.

Then there was Hezekiah. He was considered the most upright of the kings of Judah, and yet he made the disastrous mistake of inviting the king of Babylon to view the temple treasury. As a result the prophet Isaiah informed the king that all the treasure would be plundered by Babylon.

Since the words “rule” and “govern” are basically interchangeable, can it not be said that the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses rule over the organization? Since that is the case, is it not also just another form of human rulership? Surely it is. That being true, the ecclesiastical governance —regardless of the theocratic label attached to it —is still a form of human rulership and hence, inadequate. (The Coming Change in Leadership)

Now consider a portion of the prophecy of Isaiah that has the utmost relevance for our day. The 28th chapter of Isaiah is addressed to the drunkards of Ephraim —Ephraim once being the most prominent tribe of Israel and was used in the Scriptures alternatively as a designation for all of Israel. Interestingly, Jehovah also addresses them as “you boasters, you rulers of this people in Jerusalem.”

It should be pointed out that Ephraim was the most prominent tribe of the northern 10-tribe kingdom, which had its capital at Samaria. Ephraim did not rule over or from Jerusalem. Judah, David’s tribe, ruled from Jerusalem. So, that is an indication that the prophecy has meaning that is not apparent. Also, the prophecy makes reference to the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom, saying: “Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a tested stone, the precious cornerstone of a sure foundation. No one exercising faith will panic.”

It is evident that the prophecy, although set in ancient times, actually focuses on the coming of Christ. The placing of the tested foundational stone signifies the establishment of the Kingdom in heavenly Mount Zion as a replacement of the human rule over the symbolic “Jerusalem.” That event initiates a flash flood intended to flush out the rulers of God’s people who have concealed themselves in falsehood. The same “flood” is symbolized in the 12th chapter of Revelation that comes about as a result of the Kingdom coming to power and Michael ejecting the dragon, the original serpent, from its place in heaven, at which point “the serpent spewed out water like a river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be drowned by the river.”

The boastful “rulers of this people in Jerusalem” most assuredly are the Governing Body and leadership of Jehovah’s Witnesses. “Jerusalem” is a symbol of the Christian congregation since it was in the literal holy city that Christianity began on the day of Pentecost and the apostles made the city their unofficial headquarters. And by extension, when Jesus spoke of the coming tribulation upon Jerusalem during the conclusion he had his congregation in mind. Otherwise, why would it be necessary for his disciples to flee when the disgusting thing stood where it ought not?

So, it is the Governing Body who say: “We have made a covenant with Death, and with the Grave we have made an agreement. When the raging flash flood passes through, it will not reach us, for we have made a lie our refuge and we have hidden ourselves in falsehood.”

As a classic example of how they have done that very thing consider the article from where the daily comment originated, the concluding paragraphs  of which imply that since 1914 Jesus’ loving rulership has already been extended over Jehovah’s Witnesses. In other words, there is no need for the Kingdom to come to set matters straight. By claiming that the organization is the foretold predator-free spiritual paradise the Watchtower has effectively convinced those under their rule that wicked men and imposters only exist outside the organization. Yet, in context Paul indicated that wicked men and imposters were a corrupting influence within. The apostle likened them to Jannes and Jambres who opposed Moses, and who also go on opposing the truth.

The truth is Christ has not come. The Kingdom stone has not been installed. The coming “flood” will effectively wash away the Watchtower’s 1914 sandcastle. But those with true faith will not panic. By faith they will make the transition from being under authority of elders and the Governing Body to the actual Kingdom of Christ.

Of course, presently Jehovah’s Witnesses have no inkling of these matters, just as they have no clue that all the things Christ foretold concerning the sign of his coming, such as war, famine and pestilence, are in the future. The mere suggestion that Jehovah would even allow such a massive deception is unthinkable. But that is why the prophecy goes on to describe God’s work as strange and unusual, saying: “For the bed is too short to stretch out on, and the woven sheet is too narrow to wrap up in. For Jehovah will rise up as at Mount Perazim; He will rouse himself as in the valley near Gibeon, that he may do his deed—his strange deed—and that he may carry out his work—his unusual work.”

Anticipating the reaction of those who hear of his intention to exterminate wicked and faithless men and destroy his earthly organization, the very next verse states: “Now do not scoff, so that your bonds may not be further tightened, for I have heard from the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of armies, that an extermination has been determined for all the land.”

Jesus spoke of this very thing in his harvest illustration, where he said: “Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace.”

As another example of the many lies and falsehoods the Watchtower has wrapped itself in, the Governing Body promote the absurd idea that the harvest began in 1914 and the weeds represent the common churchgoers who were supposedly uprooted out of the Christ’s congregation —“his Kingdom” —and were somehow thrown into the fiery furnace and have been weeping and gnashing their teeth ever since. Obviously, the Watchtower cannot possibly hope to offer any sort of rational explanation. It is a “sheet too narrow to wrap up in.”

The symbolic flood will come in the form of global war, yes, a third world war —something the Watchtower has assured Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot happen. Even at this late date, with talk of nuclear war a daily news item, the leadership of Jehovah’s Witnesses are completely oblivious. It will take some strong measures to bring them around, as the prophecy states: “It will sweep you away; for it will pass through morning after morning, during the day and during the night. Only terror will make them understand what was heard.”

The destruction of “Jerusalem” will serve as much needed discipline. Although it may seem strange and highly unusual, it will accomplish God’s purpose. That is why the prophecy concludes with an illustration of basic agriculture and harvest processing, saying: “Does the plower keep plowing all day before he sows seed? Does he continually break up and harrow his ground? When he has smoothed out its surface, does he not then scatter black cumin and sow cumin, and does he not plant wheat, millet, and barley in their places and spelt around the edges? For He teaches him the right way; His God instructs him. For black cumin is not crushed with a threshing sledge, and a wagon wheel is not driven over cumin. Rather, black cumin is beaten out with a rod, and cumin with a staff. Does a person crush grain for bread? No, he does not thresh it incessantly; and when he drives the roller of his wagon over it with his horses, he does not crush it. This also comes from Jehovah of armies, whose counsel is wonderful and whose achievements are great.” 

2017-08-20T10:58:37+00:00 April 28th, 2017|Commentary|110 Comments
  • Burt Reynolds

    Can someone expand on the analogy in the final paragraph please? I’ve been gardening my whole life but I cannot quite understand what is being said here. I’m not familiar with how cumin seed is collected, though I often make bread made from spelt. But I have difficulty attaching these issues to the governing body. Thanks.

    • Arvid Fløysand

      Hello Burt 🙂
      I got some cumin on my little farm…it is only the seeds that are of interest to collect …that of course goes for all those types of grain-products listed by the prophet ..cumin looks like flowers about 30 cm high…when they are ripe,i use a sickle to cut them and have to be gently because the seeds will very easy fall out..so if i hold a bundle upside down in a bucket and just slap it at the side of the bucket than those seeds will fall out…
      I also used to have oats..but as you know..to get the grain out of that you really have to give it a real good beating..in old days they used a long stick with a smaller stick (50 cm like a club) at the end tied with a little piece of rope to make it swing..(i sure would not like to get that one swinget at me)

      So when i read that prophecy,i belive Jehovah is intend to punish in more than one way …meeting out according to how severe the misdoings have been…some with gentle shaking ,others with i would say severe beatings that will hurt real bad ….and what is left after this treatment?

      If the treatment is proper,than all the valuable grain/seeds will be left…
      But as the prophet points out…if the treatment is too hard…than even the valuable grain will be destroyed …Jehovah and Jesus who is the” farmers”,do not want to “destroy/hurt” the “grain/seeds”
      who are those of value to them…but all the “straw” who was “holding” those valuable ,will be thrown away/burned..

      Hope this is a little bit helpful 🙂

      • Richard Long

        That helps a LOT!

      • Excellent! Thanks for sharing your insight.

      • Daisy

        …so his chosen seed is beaten and tried, but not broken as are the wicked…and just as the farmers have their appointed time, and various instruments for their labour, so has Jehovah for his disciplining….coming shortly…the rod and staff being much gentler than the wagon wheel and the threshing sledge!
        Btw…the cbd oil remedy taken during my illness contained the healing properties of black cumin, or nigella sativa which I use to scatter over salads now, and Burt can also add it to his spelt bread!

        • Arvid Fløysand

          Its actually not the “seed” (His valuable people with all kinds of desirable quality) that is beaten but rather those holding them in a “grip” and maybe not so willing to let them “go”…He has to beat those holding them back in order to let His people go..

          Btv..very interesting point you pointed out about the healing effect of nigella sativa from black cumin…that also helps us to understand how Jehovah and Jesus look at us…
          those tiny little seeds can even help to heal and other bigger seeds feeds those who are hungry …all those types of seeds so so important …and here we are..different types of seeds…if we feel small than maybe we can be used by Jehovah to help somone to heal/recover ?
          So fantastic to think about 🙂

          • Daisy

            Oh…thanks for that…very grateful for your reply. Yes, the cbd oil also contained frankincense…not a seed..
            but so effective in reducing the rate of tumour growth…all out there , waiting to heal us naturally on our journey to paradise.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hi Daisy, and how is it going with your follow up surgery? Hope it’s going well as you seem to be MIA and it’s odd not seeing your familiar avatar. Missing your comments! ????

            • Daisy

              Sorry about that , I’m still around,
              enjoying everyone’s company,
              but my dominant arm is out of action
              and with swollen fingers I’m finding
              communicating this way quite painful.
              Tap ouch tap ouch tap.
              I will know tomorrow if the skin graft
              has been successful or not. Would cross fingers if I could haha.
              I longed to reply to Marisa G and
              Richard the other day after they both
              jolted my 1% working grey matter
              into action, but as my career is
              that of a carer, hubby, beautiful boy, great -grandkids, lots of driving involved,
              there’s little time for me especially
              as when it does come to me-time I love following all links, scriptures and comments , accomplishing a bit of research, usually when overcome by sleep.
              Something domestic has to give in order
              for me to spend time commenting, it’s not natural for me to do so believe it or not, but…
              Nevertheless, all is very enjoyable …all of what I’ve always done…just knowing and loving all of you is sufficient for the day.
              I’m thankful for all the company I enjoy
              here and the mental stimulation but especially all the joy and oh…if only you could see me unable to breathe, laughing with tears in my eyes sometimes! Joseph, we love you so.
              Now would you believe, I’m feeling drained, can’t believe it. Must be missing Robert. Beverly keep up the good work being the fab sister among fab sisters and thanks for thinking of me…:D

            • Jamie Mac

              Thinking of you Daisy.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Oh, Daisy, it’s awful reading about your health issues still on going and on top of that you have to try take of your beautiful boy and other family members…I don’t know how you do it! Please try to pace yourself and stop when you can. Thank you for replying despite the discomfort. Non of us can truly know how you must be struggling and it’s been a long time since your diagnosis and still you’re going through the mill! You’re like Arvid’s Mum, hard as nails. Tough! Good to hear you’ve been laughing your head off at some of Joseph’s posts. Joseph cracks me up as well. I’m not surprised you’re feeling drained so try to rest up when you can and know we’re missing you and your insightful comments. It’s made my day, or what’s left of the day seeing your reply. Thinking of you as usual. X

          • Burt Reynolds

            Thanks for the extra insight. It’s much more clear now.

        • Burt Reynolds

          Daisy can you message me with your cures please and where to get them. I need a tonic. What happened to our sister in Aus?

          • Daisy

            Burt…can’t get through on Messenger. My phone is too intelligent for me to work it correctly. Please mail me? Ta x

      • Thinking

        This was very helpful..thank you

      • Burt Reynolds

        Thanks very much Arvid. That’s a great help. That has made it clear for me. Thanks.

      • Jamie Mac

        Hi Arvid, great explanation. What do have have on your little farm?

        • Arvid Fløysand

          Hello Jamie
          I got a little of this and a little of that 🙂
          You already know i have some sheep keeping me with company…and some of you know i also got hen that provide me with fresh eggs …and i also got a huge and very friendly dog..and a bi-hive to provide me with sweet honey …a lot of different fruit and berries and a little greenhouse with tomatoes an herbs 🙂

          • Joseph of Aramathea

            I’m jealous…….???

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Hi Joseph
              A while ago you posted a absolutely beautiful picture of a little farm with a small field with vegetables and a horse who to kids were riding…it reminds me of when i and my brother was little kids..my father had a horse that looked exactly like that one and he used to let me and my brother ride it when he walked beside…good memories..the best is..this and even better will soon be a reality for everyone who put faith in Jehovah and His son ..our glorious King Jesus…We can already see the promised land in the horisont …we are all tiered of this wicked world but when Jehovah pour out his holy spirit over all his people than i belive we will run the last 3 mile like the prophet Elijah,when he ran faster than king Akans horses 🙂

            • Jamie Mac

              Arvid, Are you far enough north to be able see the Northern lights? They are another example of our creators wisdom.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              I am living on the Westcoast not far from a city called Bergen…but sometimes we can see northern lights here too…it is most spectacular on dark clear winter nights…and where i live there is not a single neon-lights to disturb so the stars shines very bright and sometimes the moon is so clear that you can see shadows from trees and people…specially if the lanscape is covered in a blanket of snow…so beautiful and quiet and air so fresh that it feels like no one has used it before and you are the very first one to breathe it …Jehovas creation is made strong …look how strong the nature is…even now while it is still cursed…how wonderful this whole planet soon will be when Jehovah is going to remove the curse…way better than we are able to imagine 🙂

            • Andres Felipe

              Google Translation
              I do not know if it’s the translation friend; But you said the land is cursed? why do you say that ? If you refer to God’s declaration in Eden, remember that I do not take that curse to the earth. But if I’m wrong, help me understand your point. Thanks

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Hello Andres
              Genesis 3:17″And to Adam He said:”Because you listened toyour wifes voice and ate from the tree concerning witch I gave you this command,you must not eat from it ,cursed is the GROUND on your account.”
              Soon Jehovah will bless not only his people but the whole earth with all creation..than the complete harmony will be restored 🙂

            • Andres Felipe

              españolHello my dear brother I understand that Jehovah cursed the earth after the sin of Adam and Eve. Nevertheless; Genesis 5:29 says that he did not save the land from the curse of Jehovah. Jehova eliminated that curse with the deluge of the days of noe. Help me if I’m misunderstanding thanks

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Hello my brother Andres 🙂
              Thank you for your kind reply..I am reasoning like this: If the curse of the land and all the animals where taken away by the flood in Noahs days…then why is there still so big areas covered by dessert and dry land ..causing so many people die every day because they cant get any food from their dessert like land…and why are so many animals still behave like crazy…and are not peaceful like they did in the garden of Eden?
              Is not this what we still look forward to?
              When Jehovah in near future will take the curse away and restore not only mankind,but the whole earth including everything..thats why the Bible talks about a new earth..this can only happened when the spiritual temple is restored( Haggai 1:5-11)

              Ore if we reason like this:what is the opposite of curse?..i would say blessing.
              Then if the curse from Jehovah over the ground (Gen.3:17) ,was removed by the flood in Noahs days like you say.
              Then the result of that would be the opposite of curse…so the ground would be blessed after the flood..
              Then why would Jehovah need to ore promise to bless the ground like he did if you read Deuteronomy 7:13 “He will love you and BLESS you and multiply you.Yes,He will BLESS you with many children and with the PRODUSE of your SOIL,your grain,your new wine,your oil,the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks,in the land that he swore to your forefathers to give to you.”

              I wish that i could be able to write to you in your own language…and i look forward to see you one day in person when this polluted and evil world is done away with.
              I feel connected to brothers like you because you are acting in a humble way and after all,we share the most important..love for Jehovah and Jesus Christ.
              May Jehovah continue to bless all your work for Him.

            • Andres Felipe

              españolGoogle Translation :
              Hi arvin: do you know one thing? I confess that I feel the same as you. You do not know how much I would like to know all of you and realize that I am not alone in this fight. I want someday to know your farm with your crops and learn from you all that you know of the field. With respect to the subject that I raised you I will meditate on it I think that you are right. But I will meditate on it. I believe that all of us here have had to learn not to “believe we know it all” and that other brothers can bring us a lot of knowledge of jehova and his actions. I want to forget the days that “I thought I knew them all” “. I am very happy that you are well beloved brother. Just like you I hope to see you one day and take a cup of coffee and talk about so many good things that jehovah will give us in a language that we can understand.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Yes Andres my brother,i am very happy to walk shoulder to shoulder with fine brothers like you.We must try our best to endure this last days in this evil system..Lets look forward like the fateful Abraham did…it was like he saw the new world and welcomed it …as far as i know ,everyone one this site do so…it seems like we all got this in common…and yes ..i hope to share many cups of coffee with you Andres in the wonderful free and joyful future when everything is in perfect harmony with our grand Creator 🙂

            • Andres Felipe

              Dear brother, do you know what happened to Robert? Long time no public anything and I worry … If you know something please let me know Thank you

            • Richard Long

              Andres, I do not have solid information but read that Robert tweeted he was taking some time off to entertain house guests. Could be angels, for all we know, right?

            • Beverly kenyon

              Angels! Hilarious! ??

            • Andres Felipe

              españolAhhh well thanks bro. I have robert’s Twitter but the truth is I have not had time to read them because I have to translate them since I do not know English. Thank you very much brother. Anyway there is much to read and assimilate touch to be up to date with everything that Robert writes.

            • Joseph S.

              We think he was Raptured,?!? We found a pile of clothes some glasses and a cheap messy wig on the floor of the farmhouse………………

              Nahh……. just messing with you.

              NOTICE: I am taking a few weeks off from writing. Trying to catch up on things here at the farm now that winter is finally over. Have house guests too – Robert

            • Beverly kenyon

              ??? So funny! Love it!

            • Joseph S.
            • Beverly kenyon

              That’s got to be the funniest thing yet! I really am crying laughing. Joseph, you’re so really very funny. Can’t type for laughing…you do cheer me up! Wonder if Burt has seen this one? He’ll love it! Joseph….never change! ?????

            • Jamie Mac

              That’s absolutely brilliant Joseph. Looks like he was scanning the horizon or he was saluting before being raptured !!!.

            • Andres Felipe

              Lol you’re funny … I almost believe you. Thank you so much for your ad I was worried about Robert. I hope you are well with your visit and may jehovah bless you

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Hello Andres my Colombian brother 🙂

              You already got answer to your question from very fine brothers 🙂
              How about you Andres?You know,i really look forward to drink a proper cup of coffee with you one beautiful day 🙂
              Many years ago i had a coffee-bush in my living-room …i guess you will have your own coffee-bushes in the wonderful paradise right in front of us…i belive this is very close ..i feel we are not walking but running the last mile together right now…we are tired and stumble…maybe fall..but in eager and joy ..get up and helping one another to run out of this world and into the promised land of paradise…

            • Joseph S.

              And with that proper cup of delicious Columbian Coffee we just might get there in record time! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/41f1627992ce65bed98e2fe6225881367397f765f7bdbc47eb98ea522eae58ab.jpg

            • Beverly kenyon

              And love this post as well. ??

            • Beverly kenyon

              Love this post! ??

            • Andres Felipe

              iar a españolIf my brother … like the apostle Pablo: I look forward to seeing you one day when all this commotion passes and to be able to help so many brothers who will need it in that time. That cup of coffee will be very refreshing next to brave hrrmsnos like your dear friend. But I’m going to take you coffee, the best in the world: from these Colombian lands lol lol lol

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hey Andres, I was like you and kept thinking about Arvid mentioning the ‘cursed’ land which I know Jehovah did curse the land as we have to really work the land and hope it produces good for us, it’s not really giving of its full potential as if you ask a farmer they’ll say it’s real back breaking hard work but when it’s fully restored back to its full potential can you imagine how luxuriantly lush it will be with all the energy that will be pouring out. They’ll be no crop failures due to disease and weather and over farming killing the land…eat your heart out Monsanto, no cancer making pesticides, no unatural mutant genetic crops. Everything will be in abundance, green and organic and the leaves of the trees will be for healing as don’t they say the Amazon forest is like one big undiscovered pharmacy and that’s just that part of the world, can you imagine when Jehovah lifts the curse off the land and all the produce will emerge from the perfect and extremely rich ground and reckon we’ll be able to extract from the restored land produce with ease and not back breaking hard work! Jehovah does really look after his human family like any responsible parent and he gives in abundance, every good thing! Hope you and Family are okay and in good health Andres.

            • Tabitha

              Beverly this reminds me of a short film I watched the other day (www.backtoedenfilm.com). It illustrates how the creator of this beautiful planet obviously knows best in all things, and how we only started to toil in the sweat of our brow after man sinned and started to “till” the soil. Very interesting to watch! Won’t it be wonderful when the whole earth is back to Eden again!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yes, Tabitha, I agree with you and truly believe we started to toil by the sweat of our brows after we sinned. I remember if I saw farmers working the land I used to think of how Jehovah said the land was cursed to us and how difficult it would be for us to benefit from it and I used to think, does Jehovah feel sorry for us when he sees us with back breaking work trying to get our food from the cursed land?! I’ll try to have a peep at that short film Tabitha and thanks for mentioning it.

            • Andres Felipe

              Hello dear sister Thank you for asking about my family … you are always very kind; Brother Arvid answered me almost the same as you :);) but I told him that the curse of the earth was eliminated by noeh. (Genesis 5:29) … now, if you have information that helps me understand your point I will be very grateful;) … I hope your family is well too …. jehova continue to bless you

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hi Andres, my family is good, thank you for asking….everything okay so far. Good to hear things are good for both you and your family. The curse on the land was lessened a bit by Jehovah straight after the flood. Gen 8:21-22. But it would appear not completely, if I’m reading this right, according to Rev 22:1-3. Also Noah’s father, Lamech, spoke of some relief from the curse of the land. Gen 5:29. That’s what I found Andres of interest concerning the curse of the land.

            • Andres Felipe

              Google Translation :
              Thank you very much dear sister … I find your point very interesting and I will meditate on it. Or as we say in Colombia: let me chew it.???

            • Richard Long

              or, gas… lol

            • Joseph of Aramathea
            • Arvid Fløysand

              Soooooo beautiful…i will show this to my father tomorrow morning..he is very fond of animals…and loved his horse…thank you Joseph

            • Jamie Mac

              In that day the words ‘Holiness belongs to Jehovah!’ will be written on the bells of the horses. Zechariah 14:20.

              Not sure if that scripture is pointing to the new Kingdom, it sure sounds like it 🙂

            • Thinking

              I remember you posting this a while back joeseph…and I said that was me with my new world children and my soul mate must be somewhere milking the cow…hahah..that’s still me by the way…lol….??

            • Joseph of Aramathea

              Hahaha, I remember that!!!❤❤

    • I did not intend to imply that that aspect of the prophecy applied solely to the GB. They are the rulers, but the whole of “Ephraim” is subjected to God’s unusual deed. The point is that a farmer has an ultimate purpose to accomplish. He doesn’t just plow the field constantly. No, but there is a process, a method. First the plowing, then the planting, then the harvest, and the harvest is different for each type of plant. So, God is illustrating how he uses wisdom to accomplish his purpose. Because his “crops” have a particular quality he threshes them a certain way to produce the desired result. As Jehovah says in Jeremiah: “I will have to punish you to the proper degree.”

      • Richard Long

        i’ma gonna need that real hard beating with the oat stick device Arvid spoke of….

        • Arvid Fløysand

          Hehe…i do not think you should worry..you are not holding anyone back like the straw holds the seed in a firm grip until its ripe…you are a valuable seed of som kind that will be collected and used for a good pupose…after all you are here 🙂

        • Burt Reynolds

          The rate you’re going at beating yourself up Richard, won’t leave anything for Jehovah to do! I’m not sure which is going to be the worse! Are you sure that you are not denouncing your qualities to the point whereby you may not recognise a blessing from Jehovah and his own acceptance of who you are? You have to love yourself, (in accepting you for who you are and importantly, aspire to be…. Both of which are self evident to all here in your fine, searching qualities and hope), so that others will or can love you. Who can love someone who hates himself? Love is a two way thing. Can Jehovah forgive you, me, us, if we won’t let him and accept his love? How frustrating is that for Jehovah who gave his son, so that we may feel that love. It’s not that any of us feel more worthy, indeed, if we did not share the same thoughts at times, we would be presuming on the love of Jehovah. What ever we were yesterday is gone. What we will be tomorrow, we don’t know. But for today, we are loved through forgiveness if that is what we aspire to. Enough for each day, is its own evil. So take heart that you are loved today. ?

          • Richard Long

            As lamented previously, acceptance, applied just about any way you want, is counterintuitive to me, but I am trying. It is instructional that just about every previous instance, for me, of acceptance has been the finale of a long, hard fight.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Then we shall fight together.

      • Thinking

        I’m going to dwell on this a lot more..so much to it…and such great insight from Arvid..

      • Burt Reynolds

        Thanks Robert. Very helpful. I think it’s the prose of the scripture that wraps me in knots at times. It is very lyrical, like the psalms, and beautiful to read, the more so in archaic English, but it leaves me thinking what did I just read….thanks.

  • “By faith they will make the transition from being under authority of elders and the Governing Body to the actual Kingdom of Christ.”

    “get out of her my people”

  • looks like we’r all going to be beaten with
    a rod and staff soon

    • L.H.

      …..”Not beyond what we can bare”…..
      …..”To the proper degree”….
      “No crushed reed he wil break, and no smoldering wick will he extinguish. In faithfullness he will bring justice”

      • does this system beat people
        beyond what they can bare?
        is it necessary?

        • L.H.

          Hi D.A., This system can make us feel opressed beyond what we can bare.
          And as we all know ,Jehovah can protect us, if we believe that, from what is to much.

          We can expierience today as, like you said,” a non stop bloody beating ALREADY.”
          (I sometimes feel like the seventh head of the beast with the dead-stroke :-))

          So, if that’s the case we do not need or cannot bare severe punishment.
          In spite of that we can feel for several reasons we deserve beatings, from Jehovah.
          And it is true he has the right to do whatever he wants to because he is holy and we are not, nothing.
          But his mercy is above that , And these two things in opposition to eachother can make us struggle what to believe, what is meant for us personally.

          Of course we do not know our current position to Jehovah but if we feel stuck in this we maybe can discover that his punishment (not from this system), is meant-for example- for the highly exulted ones, the complacent ones.
          I think you cannot feel opressed and complacent at the same time.

          If you feel life -in this system ( AND the congregation
          1)- is a non stop bloody beating ALREADY, I don’t think Jehovah is willing to give you more of it.
          According to psalms 9:9
          ” Jehovah will become a secure refuge for the opressed, and a secure refuge in times of distress”

          • Beverly kenyon

            So true LH the points you’ve made in this post and your other post to DA, along with Daisy’s post to him. I hope DA finds comfort and peace from these posts along with reminders for some of us who feel we’re being pummelled from all directions!

            • L.H.

              Thanks Beverly….And along with your posts to him.But what does pummelled mean? Lol! Even Google translate isn’nt recognize it!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Lol. Off the top of my head, LH, it means to take a flurry of blows, completely pounded! But you gotta stand up and keep going!

    • Thinking

      Me too!!!!

    • this may sound crazy to you but after all the truth i have learned over the years i admit my guilt because i am a sinner and i want my punishment because i deserve my punishment. i look foward to whatever jehova’h decides to do with me because his punishment is right and just and yet he showed me mercy and tenderness he showed me love and compassion he blessed me with truth and a kind of wisdom i can not explain. now im not saying im some one special no not at all i am no one just one little grain of sand i am deserving of nothing and i expect nothing. i am alone because i hate the world and i want no part of it nothing in this world has any interest for me except teaching my children the truth and i as specially love to preach even when one does not want to hear it i will try and show truth by actions instead of words. i am guilty of sin and unworthy but at the same time i am very thankful for jehovah’s undeserved love mercy and kindness and i will keep trying to fight the fine fight no matter what my outcome may be.

      • yeah, if things would have been fixed sooner then id have less sin to be
        punished for. i was a better person in a
        lot of ways in the past, im still that person but now loaded with sin and
        much of a person i dont want to be.
        just want peace and burdon and evil
        gone out of my life and free to be me

        • Arvid Fløysand

          “Come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down,and i will refresh you”(Matt.11:28)
          Looks like someone calling for you?…well as far as i can understand,you must be very precious since you fit the description of those of spesial interest to Him 🙂

          • Psalm 51:17
            17 The sacrifices pleasing to God are a broken spirit;
            A heart broken and crushed, O God, you will not reject.

            Psalm 51:8-12
            8 Let me hear sounds of joy and rejoicing,
            So that the bones you crushed will rejoice.
            9 Turn your face away from my sins,
            And wipe away all my errors.
            10 Create in me a pure heart, O God,
            And put within me a new spirit, a steadfast one.
            11 Do not cast me out from your presence;
            And do not take your holy spirit away from me.
            12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation;
            Stir within me a willingness to obey you.

            • Huldah

              Excellent Texts
              I’d like to add
              Is.57:15
              15 For this is what the High and Lofty One says,

              Who lives* forever+ and whose name is holy:+

              “I reside in the high and holy place,+

              But also with those crushed and lowly in spirit,

              To revive the spirit of the lowly

              And to revive the heart of those being crushed.+

              Ps 34:18
              Qoph]

              18 Jehovah is close to the brokenhearted;+

              He saves those who are crushed in spirit.*+

              ר [Resh]

              19 Many are the hardships* of the righteous one,+

              But Jehovah rescues him from them all.+

              ש [Shin]

        • well that is jehovah’s promis but we are going to have to walk through the fires to get there. i must admit though i some times only focus on my self when in reality all of us are suffering this wicked system of things as specially our spiritual brothers and sisters around the world. D.A. sports, its in the game i tell you this with brotherly love let us not forget that we are not alone in our suffering but rather let us continually pray for all not just our spiritual brothers and sisters but for all mankind.

          Genesis 18:19
          For I have come to know him in order that he may command his sons and his household after him to keep Jehovah’s way by doing what is right and just, so that Jehovah may bring about what he has promised concerning Abraham.”

          Psalm 61:1
          61 Hear, O God, my cry for help.
          Do pay attention to my prayer.

          Psalm 61:8
          8 Then I will sing praises to your name forever
          As I pay my vows day after day.

          DA. please do not misunderstand what i am saying because i indeed know of your suffering i indeed know of terrible suffering through out the world i see my fellow man murdered for no good reason i see our most Precious gift from god our children suffering dying in agony.

          Psalm 11:4
          4 Jehovah is in his holy temple.
          Jehovah’s throne is in the heavens.
          His own eyes see, his watchful eyes examine the sons of men.

          Exodus 3:7
          7 Jehovah added: “I have certainly seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and I have heard their outcry because of those who force them to work; I well know the pains they suffer.

          Psalm 31:7
          7 I will rejoice greatly in your loyal love,
          For you have seen my affliction;
          You are aware of my deep distress.

          Job 34:12
          12 For a certainty, God does not act wickedly;
          The Almighty does not pervert justice.

          James 1:13
          13 When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone.

          Ecclesiastes 9:11
          11 I have seen something further under the sun, that the swift do not always win the race, nor do the mighty win the battle, nor do the wise always have the food, nor do the intelligent always have the riches, nor do those with knowledge always have success, because time and unexpected events overtake them all.

          Philippians 4:12, 13
          12 I know how to be low on provisions and how to have an abundance. In everything and in all circumstances I have learned the secret of both how to be full and how to hunger, both how to have an abundance and how to do without. 13 For all things I have the strength through the one who gives me power.

          John 12:31
          31 Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.

          1 John 5:19
          19 We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.

          and we are all expecting to see the watchtower fall and many many of our spiritual brothers and sisters may be lost.

          1 Peter 4:17
          For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God?

          1 Samuel 3:13
          You must tell him that I am bringing a lasting judgment on his house for the error that he has known about, for his sons are cursing God, but he has not rebuked them.

          Isaiah 63:9
          9 During all their distress it was distressing to him.
          And his own personal messenger saved them.
          In his love and compassion he repurchased them,
          And he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.

        • Richard Long

          In a paraphrase of what Burt said to me earlier. If you could just see yourself the way we see you, your pain would be greatly eased. If you could see yourself the way Jehovah HAS SAID He WILL CHOOSE to see you, your pain would be gone.

          Psalm 103:12
          As far off as the sunrise is from the sunset, So far off from us he has put our transgressions.

          Isaiah 1:18
          “Come, now, and let us set matters straight between us,” says Jehovah. “Though your sins are like scarlet, They will be made as white as snow; Though they are as red as crimson cloth, They will become like wool.

          Please, DA, let’s the two of us promise each other to throw away our flails.

          • idk how Jehovah sees me 🙁

            • Richard Long

              Well, i guess, i don’t KNOW either, but I have faith we are permitted to apply those scriptures to ourselves.

        • Richard Long

          Also, better men that us have felt this way: There once was an obscure prophet/judge from out of Mid’i-an….

          Numbers 11:15 “If this is how you are going to treat me, please kill me right now.+ If I have found favor in your eyes, do not make me see any more calamity.”

          • Burt Reynolds

            That’s such a good scripture because it pulls in a multiplicity of issues. 1. Jehovah will not test you beyond what you can take…..he helped Moses by getting others to share the load of care upon his shoulders. 2. He listens to prayer, not just from the faithful, but from the ungrateful. …he listened to Moses, he listened to the Israelites who, far from satisfied with sufficient for their needs, demanded fine foods from Jehovah……( does that ring a bell with the governing body and their fine lakeside palace?). 3. He felt for his ungrateful people in their weakness and gave them meat, but along with it, he punished them….justice….and gave them so much fine meat, it ‘would come out of their nostrils so that they will be sick of it ‘, day after day after day. Maybe our strokes to come maybe unpleasant only to us and we learn our lessons an easy way, like making a child smoke a whole packet of cigarettes as a punishment for his stupidity. We are to be given strokes according to our needs are we not? 4. Though he listened to Moses and helped him to ease the weight of responsibility, he divided also his blessings amongst the others appointed to help him. Moses paid for his lack of faith by the withdrawal of the majority of the blessings that Jehovah had given him alone. Difficult to imagine the sensation but let’s just say you were given a million dollars, complained about having to count it and carry it, so it was taken back and you were given 10 cents to carry instead. Satisfied now are you?! So he paid for his lack of faith that Jehovah’s love for him ‘would bare all things’ and that with such blessings, he would by no means be unable to manage the task. It brought to my mind those that labour to share the good news with us!

            So you are absolutely spot on with this scripture in that we have to recognise our help from Jehovah to stand what is to come and indeed, what we are going through now in our personal lives. If we look to ourselves and our own rescources, such as they are in their meagreness, of what need is there for Jehovah to support us? We choose to isolate ourselves from him and lean on our own understanding of events and so he leaves us to it to yet again, learn to trust in him. We can all learn from this example in our own lives I am sure, and your quoting of it helped me a lot!

        • Brian

          Join the club DA!! 🙂

        • Beverly kenyon

          Try not to despair DA as you’re still that better person. Listen to what Arvid, Leonard K, Richard and Brian said to you as its true. We might not be with you physically, but we’re with you in spirit, shoulder to shoulder. Keep going!

        • Daisy

          Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance DA… 1 Tim 1:15…Seems we’re in the bestest company for thinking we’re the worst sinner EVER.
          Prayers and love go out to you brother.

          • L.H.

            Haha, you know what I mean when I say, you”ve been very busy Daisy.
            B.T.W. I hope you’re okay

            • Daisy

              did you know I was in court with my son on Friday….and in bed ever since!
              Catching up on all missed comments tonight so very busy if that’s what you mean sis…yes…..I’m ok…for now…thank you my dear one…happy to be here with you all…so happy 😀

            • L.H.

              I actually meant you’ve been busy reading…It was a surprise when I came on E. Watchman…..!!
              And no, I didn’t know about you and your son in court on Friday. I hope Jehovah was with you, you felt his strength with the things going on In Your life. I’m happy to hear You’re ok for now. We’ll pray for you. Take care.

            • L.H.

              Fast reader! A lot to catch up lol!!

            • Daisy

              Ah…you’ve got all my upvotes already!

            • Joseph of Aramathea
            • Daisy

              I know sweetie. A packet of seeds like those flowers in the picture would be very welcome also lol. Time for lights out and my prayers to be said for all of us ..night.

    • Brian

      Hang in there DA, you need to prepare yourself for when it really hits the fan! Who is “beating” you non stop at this point in time?

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    Jehovah then said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or commanded them or spoken to them. A lying vision and a worthless divination and the deceit of their own heart is what they are prophesying to you.

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    To My dear Robert King
    I have one doubt You said that the same “flood” is symbolized in the 12th chapter of Revelation that comes about as a result of the Kingdom coming to power and Michael ejecting the dragon, the original serpent, from its place in heaven, at which point “the serpent spewed out water like a river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be drowned by the river.” This is so because the event initiates a flash flood intended to flush out the rulers of God’s people who have concealed themselves in falsehood. If that is so as you say, then why did same chapter in verse 16 says that the earth came to the woman’s help, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon spewed out from its mouth? My question is if the intention of Jehovah is to flush out evil persons from Christ’s congregation why will Jehovah allow earth (I understand earth = The great crowd) to help the woman? I understand that water like a river from its mouth mean Satan uses worldly people to destroy the Covenant (Woman) by killing the anointed themselves then Jehovah provides the great crowd to help the real anointed ones during the time of distress for a period of a time, times and half a time and that’s why we see Jesus’ words at Mat: 25:40 as we all know very well. Can you please clear my doubt?

    • Arvid Fløysand

      It is all about the faithful slave and the evil slave.
      Lets say they are neighbours and live side by side in a house they have build themselves..
      If we use Jesu own word about this issue,than we will see that actually the same flood is destroying the “house” of the evil but the faithful ones will stand…it is secured by Jehovah…build on” rock”
      Look it up in Matthew cap.7…
      (Jesu illustration has always a greater meaning that is to be fulfilled in the end time)
      Hope this may help a little 🙂

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