Is Satan divided against himself?

//Is Satan divided against himself?

QUESTION: Luke 11:18,  Jesus: “If Satan is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand?” If all of the world’s kingdoms are Satan’s, and, if the Anglo-American world power is to be the last before the Kingdom stone not cut by hands strikes the feet of the Daniel image; and, if Great Britain and America became a joint world power during WW1, how can it also be that since WW1 —with the set up the Fed Reserve in 1913, and other plots, there is/has been a force that has sought to re-enslave/ruin America with crushing debt, drugs(medical and illicit), destruction of family, morality, etc, etc… Is this not evidence that Satan is divided? 

As it turns out, Satan is not as strong as we might imagine. Jehovah is infinitely more powerful. God’s power is manifest in a multitude of ways. There is the power of nature —big stuff like hurricanes and volcanos and super novas; but also God’s power is reflected through man, who was, of course, originally created in God’s image.

And although sin has blunted and dulled the full expression of God in man, there is still a divine spark, which is expressed through human kindness and a sense of fairness and justice. Even though Satan may attempt to rule by sheer tyranny the longing for justice is formidable. Hence, as imperfect as human schemes are, some men earnestly seek to make a better world. The fact is, no society can exist for long that is ruled over by unrestrained wickedness. Either the tyrants will eventually be overthrown or people will find a way to escape their clutches.

But that is what is expressed in the iron and clay symbolism, which is embodied in the Anglo-American system. The iron represents the iron-fisted rule of the Empire. As the scripture says, the iron mixed with the soft clay depicts the people being mingled with the oligarchy. So, Satan’s empire is divided against itself naturally —due to the two antagonistic forms of government that have been fused together in the Anglo-American dyad; namely, monarchial imperialism and republicanism. The ruling monarchies view mankind as beasts, over which they are the masters. The founders of America believed that man is made in the image of God and possessed certain inalienable rights. The American system was originally intended to help mankind break free from the tyranny of the British and other colonial powers.

Again, Satan is not divided against himself. He just isn’t allowed to bludgeon mankind into total submission through his beastly apparatus —not yet anyway.

Although, as Jesus revealed, the Devil is the ruler of the world, Jehovah God has not given the demons carte blanche to rule the world uncontested. God’s will shall be done. For example, Jesus said the good news would be preached in all the world and then the end will come. Satan can’t stop it, not as long as Christ supports it.

The prophecy of Daniel sheds light on what goes on behind the scene, in the spirit realm. An angel who had been sent to minister to Daniel said he was opposed for 21 days by the prince of the royal realm of Persia, until Michael, the great prince came to his aid. Obviously, no mere human prince could successfully oppose a mighty angel of Jehovah. The opposing prince had to have been a superhuman demon —the unseen power behind whatever men happen to be ruling.

Furthermore, the angel informed Daniel that he had previously stood up as a strengthener and fortress for Darius. That was so that God’s will could be done. Although the demons pulled the strings of power over the vast Persian realm Jehovah’s angel over-rode that and used the Persian kings to benefit Daniel’s people —even letting them return to their homeland and rebuild Jerusalem.

We should not suppose that the angelic intervention in Satan’s system was a one off thing. Excepting for periodic spasms of wars, given the great freedom and ease of movement that Jehovah’s Witnesses have enjoyed over the course of their existence, throughout the realm of Christendom at least, it seems reasonable that the soft clay aspect of the composite iron and clay feet of the image has had Jehovah’s blessing. The war in heaven is expressed politically in the iron and clay fusion. Again, only until his will is accomplished. Once the preaching and teaching phase is completed then the civil institutions and legal foundations that served to support Christ’s work are no longer needed and then the final phase commences. That will involve the image of a boot stamping on a human face, as George Orwell described the future from a mere human perspective.

Already, the lights of freedom are beginning to ominously flicker.

2018-03-04T04:57:56+00:00 March 1st, 2018|Mailbag|63 Comments
  • anyone denying Robert isnt being used by Jehovah is a dingbat and if they cant see that then makes you wonder why. Jehovah is obviously at work here and God help anyone (or idiot) who doesnt recognize it

    • Bobby 6343

      So true, so true!

    • Marisa Gomez

      Ha ha ha. I like your word IDIOT !!!

  • i always thought it laughable when Jehovah simply changed the languages to foil Satan’s plans. it didnt take a fleet of armored tanks or snow storm from Jehovah’s power but a simple language mix. although changing language is a pretty sophisticated technique itself

  • and as a reminder, the preaching phaze doesnt get finished without aid during the tribulation (insert scripture here)

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    So says Mat:24:29:“Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
    What does that mean sun being darkened, and the moon not giving its light?

    At present the world is relatively a peaceful place for example Kovaipudur in Coimbatore Tamil Nadu South India the place in which we live is a clam and peaceful place with natures beauty and we get everything and it comes under one of the smart cities of India. India is a democratic nation and Fundamental Rights, Directive Principles of State Policy and Fundamental Duties are sections of the Constitution of India. In that the fourth right is Right to Freedom of Religion, covered in Articles 25–28, provides religious freedom to all citizens thus we preach the gospel here and people listen and people are generally happy and we have good hospitals to treat any diseases and we get food items in ration for free a program run by the government of Tamil Nadu so life is easy. That means it is as if we are walking in bright sunshine day light. It is as if Sun and moon are shining. But think of a situation what if Sun and moon does not shine? Sustaining life on earth is impossible all will be dead. Similarly a distress condition will happen after the great tribulation. Just as how life on earth will struggle for survival without sun and moon similarly a distress and struggling condition will be on earth after the great tribulation. It will not be same as we are enjoying now that is what Luke: 21:25 states symbolically:…. and on the earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea (=instability of the sea of mankind) and its agitation.

    • “so life is eazy”
      *relatively speaking*

      well India has been getting plenty of sun all right, the last few years. severe record heat years in a row and people dropped like flys

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Yes people dropped like flys but that is in North India not in South. East or West in India, South is best especially the Deccan Plateau and Coimbatore-Bangalore-Mysore falls in that area. India gets plenty of Sun means you get vitamin D. Deficiency of vitamin D is one of the reasons for rise in blood pressure and you have to depend on those killer pharmaceuticals guys to give us poison drugs. It’s better to get plenty of Sun and be away from BP medicines and plenty of Sun means less virus in the air hence problem for manufacturers of antibiotics as antibiotics are less sold in Coimbatore during the summer but more in winter and during the transition period. Hospitals, doctors are happy with the arrival of winter in Coimbatore and Bangalore so that they can make big bucks. But I am happy with Sun so that you can turn away those pharmaceuticals guys instead of antibiotics to ease Sun’s heat we go to probiotics that is butter milk is widely used. If India is a place where people get more sun and die then why then the Portuguese, the Dutch, the French and finally British must hold India for 300years if anyone thinks that in India people drop like flies. In north India people are more illiterates that is why they don’t know the health management how to defend Sun’s heat. Healt care systenm is poor in North India.

        South India is approximately 80%, considerably higher than the Indian national average and especially Coimbatore has an average literacy rate of 89.23%, higher than the national average of 74.04% and its sister competitive city Bangalore which is only 87.6%. Male literacy is 93.17% and female literacy is 85.3% with 8.9% of the population under six years of age.

        So plays the education for survival from sun. Poor GB fellows telling from Bethel not to go for higher education. Shame on the face of GB!!!!

        • IMO human’s are getting too much direct sun and im sure parents arnt taking care of their kids properly when it comes to being out in the direct sun. not just short term affects but long term

          • Isaac of Coimbatore

            Usually North India fellows are like that. They know no human values. They are least bothered about their children because of over population in North they least care about the Children and also Islam plays a major role in increase in population and dirty places in North India. In North India a father says when interrogated by the police regarding the Child abuse of his own daughter: I brought forth this girl and I fed her and I made her a woman, so why should I give to a man who is unknown let me enjoy her and later give it to a man. The wife of that man is next to him keeping silent rather than killing him. What then about South India Coimbatore? A certain child abuse case happened in Coimbatore. The man was arrested and was released after 5years from prison. Five days later the criminal man was beheaded, by child’s maternal uncle, the child is now a woman married to a man and living a normal life.
            Raising its living standards to the next level, Coimbatore turned the safest among 19 cities in the country in terms of crimes against women and children as per the data released by the National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) for 2016. Coimbatore had the lowest rates of crime against women and children among 19 cities. The city also had lowest rates of pendency in terms of court disposal of crime against women and children. For proof See

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    Mat:24:29: also means: Well the Bible says at Psalm: 84:18: For Jehovah God is a sun and a shield; what does that mean? It means just as how the Sun sustains life on this earth similarly Jehovah was like Sun who shielded and sustained ancient Israelites from surrounding invading nations since Jehovah made the covenant with their forefather Abraham. Since Jesus reflected the teachings of his father Jehovah (John: 5:19:14:10 and 12:49) while he was on earth we can say Jesus was like moon while Jehovah his father was like sun. When Jesus was on this earth Jehovah sustained by providing the protection over him that is why until the protection was removed at the garden of gethsemane no one could arrest Jesus. But according to Bible at Mat: 28:18 we see that Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. That is why Jesus is also shown as Sun in transfiguration as we read at Mat: 17:2: And he was transfigured before them; his face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant as the light
    Now in the new covenant Jesus is like Sun and his disciples or the anointed ones are like moon. Just as how Jehovah removed his support on his son Jesus after completion his ministry, similarly after the end of great tribulation Jesus the sun in the new covenant will remove his support (the sun will be darkened) on his anointed ones. Thus we see at Rev: 11:7: that his anointed ones or the two witnesses are killed by the global governance 8th king after they finished preaching for 1260days or 3.5years and they will be no more to give light to the world(moon will not give its light). Also it would be meaningless to say in Acts: 2:20: moon turning into blood if it were physical. So moon turning into blood means bloodshed of anointed ones similar to Jesus whose blood was shed on the full moon day. Note it does not say of blood moon what you and I see now.

  • Isaac of Coimbatore


    • they are fooled that truth and understanding cant come from anyone and be given to anyone by Jehovah

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Yeah that is the truth brother what to do one elder said that Jehovah directly channels the Governing body and to no one else. They say if we tell it may go wrong, if WTS says it will not. So I told them: Then I said may I will show one proof?: I asked them to read the Feb 2017 issue study article titled Who Is Leading God’s People Today? Under the subheading “WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?” paragraph 12. The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction.
        A moment that caused to shut their mouth.

        They have marked me because I say things differently yet biblically makes sense. May be soon disfellowshipped.

        • There nothing for you to gain by being disfellowshipped. It will create a hardship for your family. My advice is to lay low. The wise king once said “there is a time to be silent and a time to speak.” Maybe it is not the time for you to speak?

          • maybe.
            here are some other scriptures to consider. 1-Thess 5:19 Matt 24:45 (discreet).

            good to be cautious and do what ya got to do and hope for the best

        • Bro & Sis B

          Hi Isaac, Brother B here.

          I don’t want to cut you down or hurt your feelings in any way, yet I feel compelled to offer some counsel. You’re a brother in the congregation? Remember what Jesus said in this week’s reading? “Truly I say to you, unless you turn around and become as young children, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens.” (Matt. 18:3) Jehovah will not accept us as His servants if we lack humility. Your attitude towards the brothers, and the congregation displays a lack of humility. Paul said “Let your reasonableness become known to all men. (Philippians 4:5) If you were to ask the brothers in your congregation if they viewed you as being reasonable in this situation would they say yes?

          As your Christian brother I am strongly admonishing you to be cautious of receiving encouragement from those outside the congregation who entice you to challenge the elders. Showing respect for the Christian arrangement is not optional for us. I know it is at times very difficult, and without relying on Jehovah’s spirit none of us could do it. It’s not wrong to adorn a humble disposition and wait on Jehovah. Trust me this counsel is as much for me as it is for you. I do know Jehovah never, ever looks favorably upon presumptuousness, but always rewards humility. Take the counsel “So let the one who thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall.” While accurate knowledge is important, it doesn’t diminish the need for other Christian qualities. The foremost of which is love. Remember with all the faults and flaws in the congregation, Jesus is the head of the congregation. Has he appointed you to judge it? “Therefore, do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes. He will bring the secret things of darkness to light and make known the intentions of the hearts, and then each one will receive his praise from God.” (1 Corinthians 4:5) Has the Lord come? Is it not the crux of your argument that he hasn’t yet?

          I exhort you, brother, to be faithful and discreet.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Hello Brother B, that is a very caring letter you write, yet it may be as well to consider the other aspects of Isaac’s comments in light of his culture and language, tempered with his wonderful zeal for the word of Jehovah, and how these elements appear within the written word. Second to Mandarin, English is the hardest of languages to come to grips with, as ably demonstrated by elements of society today, and so Isaac’s terms of expression are oft confined to the most accurate word to portray meaning, rather than the more refined eloquent choice and which may have conveyed his intended meaning with more accuracy. (That is not to say that his English is not of an excellent standard, and which it is but there are approx 171,000 words in the English and 370,000 in mandarin). Secondly, the culture in India is of a far more direct approach, that circumvents the ‘niceties’ that we may use. Thus to us, such talk and approach that he uses, does not carry the same ‘up front challenge’ or provocation that we may read into it.

            Isaac’s zeal for the truth is to me, a very endearing aspect of his character; fearless, thought provoking; and he is clearly on a mission to fearlessly use the metaphorical Talents he has been given, in discharging his responsibilities to ‘go and do likewise’ and with the same verve that Paul did so with the Superfine Apostles….an open challenge, straight to the root of the matter.

            It was suggested that he use caution and certainly what Robert says is true and you reflect that same point. Yet Isaac clearly demonstrates that his home studies and research, has the complete support of his wonderful family. No, it is of no benefit to Isaac were he to get himself disfellowshipped, for all the reasons glaring us in the face in Roberts various biblical reasoning and discussions on the matter. Yet having said that, if Isaac wishes to make that sacrifice to keep his conscience clear, and within his own understanding of Jehovah’s word (which varies in all of us accordingly), then that issue must be within his own conscience, not ours. For the same reason, many here feel no longer able to associate.

            I for one, would rather ere on Isaac’s side of courage, directness and truth, that sit at home the coward that I am, doing nothing by comparison, having faded out many years ago, and I wish in retrospect that if I was going to alienate myself from Jehovah’s provision, I had done so using Jehovah’s truth as my reason for going, rather than the fact that I could see no truth/love in them.

            By no means am I saying that you are wrong, in fact your admonishion is true for all of us to consider and though the bible surpasses culture in its truth, it nonetheless makes room for it through our faith.

            • Bro & Sis B

              Hi Burt.

              You specifically said you appreciate “directness”, so I’ll be direct. The comment I made to Issac was directly from the Scriptures and emphasized the need to show humility, reasonableness, and respect for Jehovah’s arrangement. While we all obviously have our own opinions it is Jehovah’s thoughts, and only Jehovah’s thoughts that should shape our frame of mind. Issac’s bold stand rejecting humility and proclaiming himself wise will only lead to his own demise. I have serious reservations towards any and all who would encourage him to continue in his current course.

              With your situation, sorry but it wouldn’t be appropriate to be direct. I’m extremely empathetic with those who experience a cold or unloving spirit within the congregation. In Romans 12:9,10 Paul said “Let your love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is wicked; cling to what is good. In brotherly love have tender affection for one another.” So when I experience the opposite in our Fathers congregation my tendency is to tell Jehovah ‘I don’t need the discouraging spirit I’m receiving in this house’. Yet you surely recognize that attitude lacks maturity, and as Paul summed up verse ten “In showing honor to one another, take the lead.” It requires strength, conviction, and courage to go to the congregation (especially if you’ve been inactive, or disassociated for a long time) and then take the lead in showing honor and love to others, basically becoming an example for them. However it is what God requires whether we want to or not, and it is a situation where in you are guaranteed to experience Jehovah’s spirit and support.

              One thing we both know for sure “you can’t just sit there, you gotta do something” – (bonus points if you identify the quote : )

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes you are of course, correct. What I am suggesting may seem pedantic, yet Isaac may have been taking the lead in the congregation by so making his challenge and I was suggesting that directness may not be viewed in the same way that we do. Many of us here vent our frustration at the corporate lies and binding of the soul by the watchtower. Robert often posts pictures of Stephen Lett! I’ve asked him to warn us first!

              There are many cultures that do not mince words and it is not done so in anger, haughtiness or to distance others, it is just native to the culture. So too I take your point with regard to the apparently blasé approach to disfellowshipping, but as stated, such talk does not necessarily mean that, but may be his stand, his choice, to remain faithful. Which would we choose?The choice will come. We have to bear in mind the countless men and women, children, who can no longer sit in the congregation with their abusers after having their lives torn to shreds irrevocably. I am not disregarding the principle you state of dealing with discouragement within the congregation, but recognising that some may need to rely on Jehovah’s understanding if they are to even continue in faith. Equally, Jehovah has stated in his word that ‘you will not be tested beyond what you can bear.’ Some of us can no longer cling to what is good and remain. Some by choice, some by need, others through shunning, others through mental illness imposed on them through the contradictions with the hall, or grief, others because yes, they can no longer see the spirit within and follow the train of thought of the temple residing in the heart. Certainly I have sympathy with the latter, as I have the one sense, yet yearn for the holistic family of what was once my life in the congregation under Jehovah. Yet I still feel that Jehovah has touched my shoulder through knowledge and love.

              I agree with the issue of private discussion outside of this site and I have already said to Isaac I will not divide myself in such a manner.

              However, I certainly agree with the points you make from the scriptures and that they are the best course for all of us and in which I remain in wonder at the reasoning and provision of this site of Robert’s . We often ask why should we be blessed this way with knowledge outside of the congregation by Jehovah, that points us back to the congregation, but nurtures those who plainly cannot or are unable to reconcile that step within their own being?

              No. I cannot recognise the quote! I would imagine it is to be found somewhere in an ‘New World’ translation of Paul’s letter to Timothy!

          • Max

            Well said!

        • Jah is with you either way


    Robert question.
    I’m not sure if you’ve touched on this, but since Jesus resurrection and telling the disciples his anointed that all power has been given to him on Heaven and Earth, what was or is the purpose that God and Christ have remained silent for so many years? Is there any scriptural evidence that carries us to this day and time? It seems to me that Christians have been persecuted for thousands of years now Wars have come and gone Nations have risen against Nation why I’ve even heard peace and security number of time from many nations even Nations that committed to helping the Jews return to Jerusalem, I suppose my real question is why has Jehovah remain silent for 2000 years? What’s the purpose of it?

    • Burt Reynolds

      An interesting question. I’m sure Robert will have a comprehensive reply. I do not know of any biblical reason myself for the period of time elapsed, other than the prophesy appears to relate to this time. It may be that it relates to this time because Jehovah, knowing the end from the beginning, saw that world wide destruction would not be possible by man until this day, or the understanding of the truth, the preaching work worldwide and all the other factors. It seems He had already foreseen this the moment Satan presented his challenge.

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      I have thought the same as what you thought. Br Isaac of Coimbatore has answer for that contact

      • Jamie Mac

        Hi Isaac, it would be good if you can reveal your thoughts on this matter right here 🙂

        • Isaac of Coimbatore

          It is a PDF document researched and written by me and cannot be posted here because it is large.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Give us the essence then of your learning.

            • Isaac of Coimbatore

              Tomorrow I will go to office and I will post

        • Burt Reynolds

          Hi Jamie, where have you been? Missed you.

          • Jamie Mac

            Hi Burt, I’ve been here all along. Also been doing some wandering around the ether. Watched an interesting episode of TRU NEWS, I won’t post the link here and it is against house rules. By the way I do not normally watch that kind of stuff but the title of the link drew me to it.. The title was ‘Are you prepared for war in the next ninety days’. IF you get bored why not give it a watch

            • Burt Reynolds

              Will do Jamie, I like to keep an eye on public opinion. They can’t help but strengthen resolve even if they are talking from their posterior! If war comes on the 91st dat we will know they are false prophets! IF I get bored indeed! I even get bored of being bored! Retirement is no joke, but thankfully I have a few doors to make so can carry on with them when my joints thaw out and I can feel my feet again!

            • Jamie Mac

              If you can think back, haven’t we also had some folks on this very site predicting stuff. and oddly enough nothing has ever come to fruition. Just make sure you hang those doors correctly

    • Bro & Sis B

      Hi Nate Brother B. here.

      If you read Habakkuk 1:2,3 you’ll notice a lot of similarity between his questioning and yours. The short answer is it has to do with the issues Satan raised, and the sealing of anointed ones. I’m sure Robert has gone into detail about it and if Kevin reads your post I’m sure he’ll reply with a link to the article for you to click on. : )

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Hello NATE.
      Now surely Jehovah could have put an end to the matter at that point because after all Jehovah had his great name Sanctified by his son due to Jesus’ proven Satan the devil a liar before Jehovah’ Heavenly family thus sanctifying his great name, now if Jehovah did put an end to the matter at that point where would that leave you and me and millions of others today?.

      Keep in mind the Nations have not yet completely come to know Jehovah or his son Jesus and Jehovah’s overall purpose of salvation or plan for humans to achieve obedience and everlasting life due to the Adamic sin that was brought upon mankind through Adam, I mean his purpose for mankind was to be fruitful and fill the Earth was it not? keep in mind it was not yet completely achieved at that point and still a great work in progress, that’s why Jesus had instructed them to preach the good news to the ends of the Earth.

      Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Matthew 28: Read more>

      However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. But Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.Peter 3:8-10.

      “‘Do I take any pleasure at all in the death of a wicked person?’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. ‘Do I not prefer that he turn away from his ways and keep living. Ezekiel 18:23.


        The Nations have already received a witness. The worldwide work has been preached through the entire inhabited Earth. If the Heavenly Host of Angels were so gullible to believe that Satan had some sort of a truth, then those angels weren’t very bright at all. The Heavenly Host was lead out by their own selfish desires, for self will, to do as they wish. Besided it’s already been proven that nothing works without Jehovah. As far as the Woe to those who want the day of Jehovah to come, it should be looked up on as a thank God moment , he’s finally doing something, if that means being obliterated then so be it, but at least this nonsense will not continue on any further. I welcome the end open armed, be it one person saved her 1 billion saved, at least it’ll all be briught down. I say let the Woe come and get it over with!

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Waiting for God​—What Does It Involve?
          As Christians, we are “awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah.” We look forward to relief when he causes the “destruction of the ungodly men.” (2 Peter 3:7, 12) Jehovah himself is eager to end all evil, but he is exercising restraint so as to bring about the salvation of Christians in a way that will glorify his name. The Bible says: “God, although having the will to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known, tolerated with much long-suffering vessels of wrath made fit for destruction, in order that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy.” (Romans 9:22, 23) Just as he did in Noah’s day, Jehovah knows the right time to save his people today. (1 Peter 3:20) Thus, waiting for God involves waiting for his time to act.

          As we await Jehovah’s day, we may at times be upset to see the moral standards of the world around us sink ever lower. At such moments, it is good to consider the words of God’s prophet Micah, who wrote: “The loyal one has perished from the earth, and among mankind there is no upright one.” Then he added: “As for me, it is for Jehovah that I shall keep on the lookout. I will show a waiting attitude for the God of my salvation.” (Micah 7:2, 7) What is the “waiting attitude” that we should cultivate? Since having to wait is often frustrating, how can we find joy while waiting for God?. Read more>

          • Please8834

            Jehovah can read hearts that means he already knows who he can and will save it’s called an exercise of loving kindness, there’s no point in Waiting any longer.

            • Burt Reynolds

              That may not be exactly true. On the one hand, of course Jehovah could know the outcome for each and all of us, but that would be to pre-empt the conclusion of this system. Jehovah himself cannot be tried by evil. Therefore, it has to be our decision whether we put ourselves in the way of salvation or not and thus he will not influence us or judge us before hand, but simply extends his hand for us to take hold if we choose. After all, none of us are worthy of salvation. The same issue was, I think, applied to Jesus, where to prove the issue, Jehovah abandoned him to make his own choice. Likewise for us.

            • Please8834

              The real test is if one is faithful even to death you must die faithful, or simply go through with the free gift of loving kindness.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Burt I agree with your thought when you said ” it has to be our decision whether we put ourselves in the way of salvation or not and thus he will not influence us or judge us before hand,

              A good example of your thought was the two that was besides Jesus on the torture stake, take note one had a change of heart.

              Then one of the criminals hanging there began to speak abusively to him, saying: “You are the Christ, are you not? Save yourself and us too!” In response the other rebuked him, saying: “Do you not fear God at all, now that you have received the same judgment? 41 And we rightly so, for we are getting back what we deserve for the things we did; but this man did nothing wrong.” Then he said: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom.” And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.” Luke 23:39-43.Read more>

        • Burt Reynolds

          I can relate to feeling grateful when the end begins and sometimes I have the same opinion that I would happily go to my death if it came to that, just knowing the the prophesy was at last fulfilled. However, I don’t under estimate the influence of Satan and that Christ himself pleaded Jehovah to take the cup from him if it was at all possible under his will. Then, at the end, ‘…why have you forsaken me…’ I could not agree that the nations have already received a witness as Jehovah deems that to be. Were that the case, surely the end would have come! Jehovah cannot lie. I find the best way for me to understand the scriptures is to divest myself of my personal needs as far as possible and view the scriptures objectively because otherwise, my view clouds the issues and at times, makes me miss the point of what the scriptures are saying. When the scriptures address man as to his needs for salvation, they are simplistic and straight forward, as in the Ten Commandments. When it comes to prophesy and Jehovah’s view, we have a spark of insight into Jehovah’s view, as in Job…..’where were you when the heavens were made?’ And as in the article above and the feet of clay and iron. Sufficient for each day is its own evil.

        • Cathii D’Anthonii

          The way it was explained to me is man in his imperfect state will have tried every way possible without God in our life, as Satan stated that we don’t need God..
          Mankind has tried every form of government possible, every off- shoot quacker religion , and the end will be, man cannot rule himself, undeniably; also Satan will be shown a failure too!
          This next world government will rise against Jehovah Himself.
          Psalms 1 and 2.
          Pray for the kingdom!!

    • To help put things in perspective the apostle stated that to God one day is as a thousands years and a thousands years as one day. From God’s standpoint it has been less than a week since Adam and Eve were created. Even more mind blowing, the first few generations that were born outside of Eden lived almost one thousand years. Think of that, if Methuselah, the oldest recorded pre-flood life span at 969, had been born in, say, 1078, he would still be alive to this day!!! Compared to even such long-lived ancestors our life span is pitifully short. Or ought I say —mercifully short?

      God seems to operate on long cycles, eras. For example, it was approximately 1,600 years from Eden to the Flood and 400-some years to when God made a covenant with Abraham, which was approximate 2,000 years removed from Eden. The another 2,000 years until Christ. Now we stand at approximately 2,000 from that point in history. And all things considered, we have now arrived not only at the end of history as we know it, but the end of Christianity.

      As far as God not speaking, that is not entirely true. For these past 19 centuries we have had the complete Bible —the word of God. And in the most recent century we have come to know more about it than any previous generation. Still, God himself acknowledges his silence and the purpose of it. At Isaiah 42:14 God said: “I have kept quiet for a long time. I remained silent and restrained myself.”

      The context has to do with Jehovah breaking his silence, which will result in devastation for the earth. That is why the words recorded in Amos are particularly applicable to Jehovah’s Witnesses who long for the day of Jehovah.

      Woe to those who yearn for the day of Jehovah!
      What, then, will the day of Jehovah mean for you?
      It will be darkness, and not light.
      It will be like a man who flees from a lion and is confronted by a bear,
      and when he enters his house and leans his hand against the wall, a snake bites him.
      Will not the day of Jehovah be darkness, and not light;
      Will it not have gloom, and not brightness?

      Amos 5:18-20

      • Bobby 6343

        Bro. King, what do you mean by “mercifully short?” I don’t get it!

        Or ought I say —mercifully short?

        • He means life in this system sucks!
          Thankfully it’s only 70, 80 or 90 years. Not 950 .

          • Burt Reynolds

            I can tell you it feels like 950 years with the old mother-in-law!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I agree with your thought LOL , not that I’m ungrateful but there’s just only so much you can take. but all thanks be to Jehovah for his supportive loving Provisions in this life that we do have Amen.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            There will come a time when Jehovah shows Mercy even to Satan the devil by putting him out of his misery like a horse with three legs …

          • Bobby 6343

            Thank you for the reply.

            I find it reasonable.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Yes. Very true….run from a lion into the clutches of a bear. Hopefully it will be a koala bear and not a polar bear. Regardless, let us all hope we can bear up under it all, bare our arms and fight the good fight. We can bear it.

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      You said: I suppose my real question is why has Jehovah remain silent for 2000 years? What’s the purpose of it? Of what benefit if any has it done?


  • Burt Reynolds

    Does anyone know what the war in heaven through which Satan will be thrown down to the earth, entails? Is it a war for the minds of angels? Presumably this is not war as we know it? From the article above we read through the bible that an angel was inhibited in carrying out his assignment and so we can assume an obstructive power is allowed but surely this cannot be a war of slaughter. So is it a war for the corruption of angels?

  • Bro & Sis B

    Robert, (and anyone else who wants to chime in)
    sorry this has nothing to do with the particular article above (than again how many comments or questions really do?)

    Would love your thoughts on Perimeno. I was wading through the apostate filth on the internet, stumbled across his site, and it seemed like a surprising oasis.

    • Perimeno used to participate in a discussion forum I ran about 10-12 years ago. I haven’t really kept up with him in recent years

    • Looks like you pulled the slot machine handle and hit the jackpot!

    • Max

      He is used to be a CO. My understanding is that he is an older brother. He might have passed I have not seen anything new in his website.

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      Why do you look Perimeno? When you have Jehovah, Jesus and his word Bible. No man can give you salvation except Jehovah through Jesus Christ our Lord.

  • Please8834

    Robert question.,
    In Matthew Jesus had just dipped his hand in the bowl with Judas Iscariot and identified him as the one that would betray him the scripture then points out Jesus informed him to get on with what he was about to do. Moments later the scripture States that Satan entered into Judas, does that mean that Judas was literally demon possessed by Satan?

    • Judas was already under the Devil’s influence prior to the last Passover. He was a thief who was stealing from the money box with which he was entrusted. Imagine, stealing from Jesus. Not good. So, yes, when Satan is said to enter into Judas that means the Devil took full control, but only because Judas had made himself available beforehand.

      Obviously Satan was at the Passover. He appeared among the sons of God gathered before Jehovah during the time of Job, did he not? Why not among Jesus’ gathered apostles? No doubt the demons had a keen interest in what Jesus was doing, which is probably why on one occasion when Christ was expelling the demons from a victim they begged Jesus not to send them out of the territory. They wanted to be where the action was, apparently.

      Same thing today. We should know that the man of lawlessness, whom Paul called “son of destruction,” the name Jesus gave to Judas, is a satanic agent within the core of Christ’s congregation, ready to betray all of JW’s when the morsel is handed to him.

      • Please8834

        Thank you ,lastly I noticed plenty of videos with crazed ex-jw’s vehemently, wild eyed lambasting the Watchtower on YouTube, also on many websites, makes me wonder if they themselves have become demonized. The Watchtower has quite literally come under attack from the outside as well the inside, I wonder what that morsel will be that will tip the Watchtower on its head?

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      Wts is possessed by Satan as through MOL just as how Ahab the King of Israel was married to Jezebel and introduced Baal worship and child sacrifice, similarly WTS is married to Freemasonry and thus publishes sublime images and allows child sacrifice in the form of child abuse. The GB and board of directors and their prominent associates are Ahab class and sending members of Christian congregation to attend meeting hosted by OSCE(strong supporter and promoter of UN peace mission ) is like eating things sacrificed to idols. So this is no surprise that Satan has influence over WTS. WTS having relationship with UN is like committing prostitution(=Jezebel influence). For which Jehovah said at Eze:16:35: Therefore O Prostitute. WTS has same position now. Read the whole Eze 16th chapter and how it exactly fits for WTS.

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