Is Jesus the rider of the white horse?

//Is Jesus the rider of the white horse?

QUESTION: Thanks for your work on your site. I appreciate the stimulating topics. Recently in my own study of the events of Revelation, and in harmony with your comments as posted on your site, I’ve come to question the identity of the white horseman in the ride of the four horsemen. Question: If the horsemen haven’t yet ridden in quick succession after the opening of the second seal, do you think the white rider can be simply governments who go off to ‘conquest’ which leads the rides of the other horsemen? Or do you think that the white horsemen can still apply to future coming of Jesus when he manifests himself in the future? If he did ride as a conqueror in 1914….what did that rider really conquer? He’s still waiting for the green light from Jehovah to go subduing in the midst of his enemies. So who was the white rider? I’ve recently come to question this because it doesn’t make sense that Jesus rides the white horse 2 times. Once during the second seal, and then again at Armageddon. The differences between the 2 white horsemen as described in the scriptures is interesting: Rev 6:2 White horse, bow, crown was given him, went forth conquering. Rev 9:11 White horse, called “Faithful and True”, judges and carries on war in righteousness, head has many diadems (crowns), has rod of iron, has sharp long sword coming out of mouth. Since Jesus is technically given all authority and kingship before his ride, why would he only have one crown to start with, and then many afterwards? Isn’t he already king of kings? Are the extra crowns in Rev 9:11 from the conquered kings? Anyway, you get the idea. The w86 1/1 commented that others thought the horseman was ‘victory of the gospel or imperialism’, but the refuting argument was weak. There is also the line of reasoning that the Lamb (Jesus) was with John when opening the seals. Seems unlikely he was asking John to visualize Jesus again when John already associated the Lamb with Jesus. He wouldn’t try to identify the rider as a person when the other riders were all highly symbolic. Would be interested to hear your reasoning on the matter.


 

ANSWER: Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords – and contrary to the Watchtower’s present teaching, he also bears the title Prince of princes. However, there are competing kings within Jesus’ domain who do not at present recognize his authority. Therefore, as the sixth chapter of Revelation states Jesus goes “forth conquering and to complete his conquest.” It is, then, at the completion of his conquest that Jesus will be the sole king ruling the world – along with his 144,000 associate kings, of course.

Jesus is the son of David. And David provided a pattern, of sorts. First he was anointed as a boy before he even slew Goliath. That may correspond to Jesus when he was on earth being anointed and conquering Satan by his faith. Then David fought a series of wars against the Philistines and Ammonites and other warring nations. When he captured the Ammonite city of Rabbah he took the golden crown off the head of their idol, Malcam. David also captured Jerusalem and made that his capitol city. Finally, he was crowned king over all Israel. That may correspond to Jesus in his heavenly position, as he rides forth to conquer all of his enemies, including Babylon the Great.

The 45th Psalm depicts Christ riding forth with both a sword and a bow. It reads: “Gird your sword upon your thigh, O mighty one,  with your dignity and your splendor. And in your splendor go on to success; ride in the cause of truth and humility and righteousness, and your right hand will instruct you in fear-inspiring things. Your arrows are sharp—under you peoples keep falling— In the heart of the enemies of the king.”

A bow is used to fight from some distance, whereas a sword can only be effective in close-up warfare. So, the symbolism in Revelation first depicts Christ riding forth with a bow to engage the enemy from a distance. Then in the 19th chapter he is pictured bearing a sword, not in his hand, but in his mouth. In other words, his very word can slay the enemy. And just as David acquired the crown of Malcam through conquest Jesus has many diadems as he goes forth for the final war – symbolizing that no one among the enemies of God will have any authority at that point.

2016-12-08T15:12:05+00:00 September 21st, 2013|Mailbag|17 Comments
  • Zeek

    Counter-argument Rev 6:2 Rider is NWO/Antichrist, The Assyrian, 8th king, wild beast, King of the North, NIMROD-II, UN (counterfeit ‘kingdom’).

    See:
    https://e-watchman.com/topic/1st-horseman-conquering-with-bow-crown-on-white-horse-at-rev-62/

    Br. King, with all due respect, I would appreciate it if you could please thoroughly explain exactly how & precisely why I’m mistaken by this…

    Thanks in advance!

  • Anderiega

    Revelation 6:1 “And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder: “Come!” 2 And I saw and look! a white horse, and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest.”

    Could this rider be THE ANTICHRIST?

    First, THE LAMB (Jesus) is in the background, opening these 7 seals from which the four horsemen of the Apocalypse ride from. Would Jesus simultaneously be opening the seal and be one of the riders?

    Second, one of the 4 living creatures gives the command to “Come!” Would Jesus, king of Kings and Lord of Lord’s need an invitation to start riding? Wouldn’t Jesus only take orders from Jehovah Himself?

    I’m only brainstorming here.😄

    Regarding arrows….
    Ephesians 6:16 “In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.”

    So….could it be that the ride of the 4 horsemen begin with the Antichrist? We certainly seem to be seeing a lot of Antichrist arrows flying around….just before war will strike.

    Please help me if I’m wrong!

    • Song of Hannah

      I think you are on to something here. Those 3 arguments are very convincing!

      Until you mentioned these, I’d been on the fence about this. But now I’m pretty convinced. As it always bothered me how the rider on the white horse in Chapter 6 is given little description and remains nameless.

      Rev 6:1 “And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder: “Come!” 2 And I saw, and look! a white horse, and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest.”

      Yet in comparison the rider in the white horse in Chapter 19 is described most gloriously and has a formal designation, so that there is no mistaking him as Jesus.

      Rev 19:11 “I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. 12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, 13 and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God. 14 Also, the armies in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. 15 And out of his mouth protrudes a sharp, long sword with which to strike the nations, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. Moreover, he treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his outer garment, yes, on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.”

    • Song of Hannah

      Interestingly, Psalm 64 also talks about 2 occurrences of arrows, with one following the other…

      Ps 64:1 Hear my voice, O God, as I plead. Safeguard my life from the dreadfulness of the enemy. 2 Shield me from the secret plots of wicked men, From the crowd of wrongdoers. 3 They sharpen their tongue just like a sword; They aim their cruel words like arrows, 4 To shoot at the innocent from their hiding places; They shoot at him suddenly, without fear. 5 They hold fast to their evil intent; They discuss how to hide their traps. They say: “Who will see them?” 6 They search out new ways of wrongdoing; They secretly devise their shrewd strategy; The thinking within each one’s heart is unfathomable. 7 But God will shoot at them; Suddenly they will be wounded by an arrow. 8 Their own tongue will cause their downfall; All those looking on will shake their head. 9 Then all men will become afraid, And they will proclaim what God has done, And they will have insight into his deeds. 10 The righteous one will rejoice in Jehovah and take refuge in him; All the upright in heart will exult.”

    • Song of Hannah

      Another interesting scripture that grabs my attention over this thought…

      Ezek 39:1 “And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog, and tell him, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “I am against you, Gog, head chieftain of Meʹshech and Tuʹbal. 2 I will turn you around and lead you and make you come up from the remotest parts of the north and bring you in upon the mountains of Israel. 3 I will knock your bow out of your left hand and make your arrows fall from your right hand. 4 On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the peoples who will be with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of birds of prey and the wild beasts of the field.”’ 5 “‘You will fall on the open field, for I myself have spoken,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.’”

    • Island Breeze

      I think your right!

      • Beverly kenyon

        And if I’m not mistaken, Daisy was right also right about the identity of the white horse rider being none other than the anti Christ the Overcomer. She posted about it a while ago.

        • Song of Hannah

          Oh yes – the idea is not new, that’s for sure. But this is the first time that more reasoning points came forth, that it was finally enough to convince me.

        • Island Breeze

          Daisy is always right!!😚

          • Beverly kenyon

            True! She is one smart and spiritual woman! And fearless about finding answers without the constraints and JW blinkers of her former religious background. The other day she said, the Truth really does set you free once you abide in the Christ as he’s full of grace and truth. John 1:14.

            ‘For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ’. John 1:17. NIV

    • The rider on the white horse is given a crown. That marks the beginning of Christ’s reign. Up until that moment Jesus is sitting at the Father’s right hand until his enemies are made to be a stool for his feet, at which point Christ begins his conquest. And the book of Revelation lays his conquest out.

      First, the system crashes, which is depicted with the opening of the sixth seal, when the sun and moon go dark and all the stars fall from the sky and the mountains and islands are rocked from their place. The terrified peoples of earth, including all the kings of the earth, run to the caves and plead with the mountains to fall over them to protect them. Protect them from whom? The antichrist? No, from the One seated on the throne and from the Lamb, because the day of THEIR wrath has come and who can stand?

      The next phase of his conquest Revelation reveals that Jesus kills the beast and slaughters all its followers. How can it be said the antichrist completes his conquest when he is destroyed by the King of kings? Then, lastly, Satan and the demons are rounded up and locked away. At that point Jesus will have completed his conquest. There will be no enemies of God left alive on earth.

      • Song of Hannah

        Ugh! Now I’m on the fence again! 🙄

    • Bklyn Kevin

      And the first angel blew his trumpet.
      Excerpt:
      First comes the opening of the seven seals. The opening of the first seal unleashes the rider on the white horse, Christ — as also depicted in the 45th Psalm. Please read>
      https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/psalms/45/

      Read more> https://e-watchman.com/angel-blew-trumpet/

    • The Raven

      “Come!” 2 And I saw and look! a white horse, and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest.”

      Where does it say he has arrows? There are no arrows. All he has is a bow and a crown. Neither is a quiver mentioned.

      In looking at instances where arrows may be symbolic of people, judgments etc. we can find a number of verses. A few are mentioned here:

      Psalm 127:4
      4 Like arrows in the hands of a warrior
      are children born in one’s youth.
      5 Blessed is the man
      whose quiver is full of them.
      They will not be put to shame
      when they contend with their opponents in court.

      Isaiah 49:2
      He made my mouth like a sharpened sword, in the shadow of his hand he hid me; he made me into a polished arrow and concealed me in his quiver.

      Job 6:4
      “For the arrows of the Almighty are within me, Their poison my spirit drinks; The terrors of God are arrayed against me.

      • Anderiega

        Thank you for those scriptures. I’m neither committed to that first rider being Jesus or the Antichrist… I’ll just have to wait and see!

        Regarding the rider not having arrows …why does this omission in the vision interest you? I’m not quite understanding your point….what’s the purpose of having a bow without arrows? Thanks….I’m probably just missing your point.

        • The Raven

          What or who can the arrows possibly be would be a good question. What or who is the quiver? Another good question.
          It is all symbolic. Since a quiver and arrows are not mentioned in reference to that rider we need to look at little more closely at other scripture which may explain some aspects of that description. That’s what those scriptures I posted allude to.
          The arrows can be people who Jehovah or Christ uses. The quiver may be the sanctuary of their power and rule as well as their protection of His followers.
          They can be represent or be directed at believers and selectively sent forth. I find it significant that a weapon is mentioned but NOT the ammunition or the magazine.

        • The Raven

          Another interesting thought on this matter is look at the timing. He arrives first but with only a bow. and a crown. If this is Christ then He would not need arrows since we know He comes to His father’s house first. We also know some will recognize Him and others will not. What does He do? He knocks on the door. It could be said simply the appearance of this rider brings its own judgment, but to who? Once again if this is the Christ then that would begin with those who profess Jehovah and Him. When we see Him again He has a lot more with Him. That makes me wonder if that first rider comes in amidst the turmoil quietly to His and isn’t made manifest to the rest of the world until later.
          It may very well be an indication of the realization among God’s people that they are now looking at the imminent return of the king when the WT collapses amid war and ruin. It could also be the reason why He isn’t described as wearing a gold crown and having arrows since this occurs before the sealing. The conquering and conquest without ammunition is also significant. Its almost as if this will apply to people “sorted” out by their own faith and deeds. Just a few thoughts on the matter.

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