How many “hopes” are there?

//How many “hopes” are there?

Stumper Questions for Jehovah’s Witnesses – #40

QUESTION: If there are 144,000 spirit anointed people who have a heavenly hope, and a great crowd of people who have another hope of everlasting life on paradise earth, why does Paul say that there is only ONE hope (Eph 4:4), instead of two?

There is only one hope for those who are called. Here is what Ephesian 4:4-6 states: “One body there is, and one spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.”

What is the calling? In the 3rd chapter of Philippians Paul referred to it as “the goal for the prize of the upward call of God by means of Christ Jesus.” So, the hope, the goal of those who receiving the upward call, is to be with God and Christ in heaven.

But is that the sole destiny of man, to be called to heaven? No, actually Paul referred to another hope – the hope of the general resurrection of the dead, of even unrighteous persons. Here is what the apostle stated as regards this other “hope,” as he stood before the governor of Judea: “And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”

What hope was Paul referring to? Not the hope of the upward call. Unrighteous persons will not be resurrected into Jehovah’s presence in Heaven.

Furthermore, the men whom Paul spoke of who also hoped in a resurrection were his Jewish accusers who did not accept Jesus as the Messiah and who knew nothing of the upward call. What hope did they have then? The hope of an earthly resurrection.

So, Paul’s reference to the “one hope” is not to be understood as the only hope. Sadly, though, some people are so opposed to the truth, so thoroughly ignorant, they have no hope at all.

Real Hope for Your Loved Ones Who Have Died

 

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2016-12-08T15:10:27+00:00 April 10th, 2016|Answers|26 Comments
  • interesting read Robert and a good question as well I’m always learning with your articles but my understanding is building thanks to Jehovah and the perspectives you bring to light thank you.

  • serena

    Caro fratello, cio che dici è corretto. Dallo studio della bibbia, capisco a proposito di un solo gregge un solo pastore, che si riferisce a ebrei naturali prima, e poco dopo ai gentili.
    Hai scritto qualcosa su questo argomento? Grazie 🙂

  • God’s purpose is that the whole earth be made into a paradise. So the dead will not be raised to life in a world filled with war, crime, and sickness. They will have an opportunity to live forever on this earth in peaceful and happy conditions.

    • e.v.g

      I look forward to that day , without problematic neighbours or demanding elderly in the congregation or work for the rich. by the way, the one in the photo, it’s you in the 70 ‘s or something? just joking.

      • You forgot without the IRS & criminal Elite bankers , politicians also

  • Sharon Groves

    i thourouly understand that my hope is that which jesus offered to the evildoer,a paradise earth,why? because being in the truth per say my entire life of now 60yrs it was what i was taught,but now i can prove it,what i need help with right now in light of the season is why are 8 million of us observers only at the memorial? i know i am not of the annointed but in light of what jesus said and did at the passover meal,and how every jewish family celebrated that very night down to this very day,how can i say that i am not rejecting christs sacrifice every time i pass that bread and wine without partaking,a practice that my dear brother,and free mason russell clearly instituted this is a mason freemason practice,where did jesus ever say observe only,please help every memorial i feel more guilty.thank-you

    • iscamer

      I think one of the biggest injustices, heresy actually, acted by TWBTS is the lie that all of God’s children will not be in His presence, but some will inexplicably be forever separated on some paradise earth. There is no bibilical evidence of this, but much to the contrary. It goes against all that God has done, said and prophesied that He will be with his people.

      • ewatchman

        Was Adam separated from God when Jehovah used to converse with him in the garden of Eden? Obviously not. Was Adam cursed to live in human perfection in paradise? Only an unreasonable churchoid would think so. You simply demonstrate, once again, that everything you “know” is wrong.

        • iscamer

          Do you believe that God didnt know Adam would sin? Do you not believe God knew He Himself would have to save us from this sin?

          • bobby6343

            From one of Bro. King’s Podcast.

            God knows everything before it happens. Podcast #43

            The questioner ask:

            I was having a discussion the other day with someone and they claim, that even before God created the world he knew how everything was going to play out. The person claimed “God knows everything! He is God!

            So God knew that his creation was going to sin against him and he would have to send his only begotten son to die a torturous death. That doesn’t feel right to me, isn’t that predestination? She try to make the argument that God knew the potential was there, but she felt like she lost the debate.
            *******
            Well you were right Robert King said to her, God can certainly see the potential, and when he put Adam in the garden he said: “don’t eat from this tree, IF you do you will positively die! If God knew he was going to eat it he wouldn’t he have said: WHEN you do! When you eat form this you will die. And of course that would be ridiculous wouldn’t it? Why bother if God knows his project is going to become a failure and turn against him why go through with it? Do something else, right?

            No, but God made intelligent creation as free moral agents, and we have the capacity to ether obey God or disobey God and, God allows us to choose. And his doesn’t necessarily know what we are going to choose. But it doesn’t matter to him ether way because he is God and he is capable to deal with any contingency as he has, as in the case of Adam and Eve.

            Take for example in the second chapter of Romans. Paul made the expression; “but you do not know, that the kindly quality of God is trying to lead you to repentance.” So if a person is out of harmony with Jehovah’s will, God in his love tries to encourage them to reconsider there course.

            Now wouldn’t it be absurd though that if God knows, what their going to do why would he bother trying bring them to repentance if he knows their not going to respond. Wouldn’t that be stupid, really? An exercise in futility? It makes God out to be caprices, really.

            Consider as a real life example of that, the case of Cain. Jehovah could see that his heart was wicked, but he actually Spoke to Cain, personally and said, “look there is sin crouching at the door and its craving is for you, you for your part, will you get the mastery over it?” So he alerted Cain, that there was a danger of him becoming a victim of sin. And of course Cain didn’t listen did he and, he became a murderer. The first human murderer and the apostle John said that he took after the wicked one and slaughter his brother.

            But again if Jehovah knew the outcome why would he bother to warn Cain, and try to erge him to reconsider his course.

            • iscamer

              So He knows what we are to be tempted with but no idea of the outcome? Not likely.

            • iscamer

              Bobby, I appreciate your reply. I would ask you to do what I did after 15 years of listening and obeying the rules and regulations of the WBTS. Study the bible with the help of the Holy Spirit and test your religion against what the bible says. Instead of using the bible to enforce your doctrine, use the bible to find the right doctrine. I have no doubt you love God and are trying to follow His commands. If Jehovah is a Sovereign God who sacrificed His Son for all of us, why would he let us be led astray?

              The Father draws all that come to the Lord : John 6:35 to 44

              Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

              44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

          • If I remember correctly, Robert asked you to take a hike !

            • iscamer

              What is the matter Joseph, is the discussion too much for you? Does your doctrine have something to hide or can it stand the Light?

            • Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha, your lights so bright I need sunglasses. NOT.
              You returned to the vomit of false religion, might want to go shopping for some teeth gaurds because you will be nashing your teeth soon.

            • iscamer

              Is that all you got?

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Wow!….I’m convinced that some of the whack jobs can’t be helped. I think Robert was right when he said that some people would rather believe lies. We must be close.

      • patri

        Its obvious that you have no understanding of the bible.

        I for one am looking forward to living on a restored paradise earth. I have no desire whatsoever to be in heaven and I have no feelings of separation from Christ Jesus who will oversee the earthly restoration. Soon.

        • iscamer

          Since you follow what the Governing Body tells you to believe, what is so great about being with Jesus if He is not God? You do not want to be with your Creator?

          God doesn’t need us, so why did create us? Because He loves us. Why would He not want to be with us?

          I have loved you with an everlasting love” (Jeremiah 31:3)

          . if any hear my voice and open the door, I will come into their house and eat with them, and they will eat with me (Revelation 3:20)

          Matthew 6:19-21

          “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also

          Hebrews 11:16 ESV /

          But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.

          Revelation 21:21-25 ESV / 149

          And the twelve gates were twelve pearls, each of the gates made of a single pearl, and the street of the city was pure gold, transparent as glass. And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there

          • patri

            I have no more to say to you than contained in my previous comment.

          • Not sure why Robert gives you and the Mormon time in here, he got rid of two sock puppets. I think it’s time to block two more.

        • I second that motion!!

  • Psalm 134:2
    2 Raise your hands in holiness And praise Jehovah

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