The Hour of Judgment – Has It Arrived?

//The Hour of Judgment – Has It Arrived?

Saturday, December 3

Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of judgment by him has arrived.Rev. 14:7.

Now is the time to declare that message. We must warn our neighbors to get out of Babylon the Great, so that they do not “receive part of her plagues.”  The “other sheep” join anointed Christians in begging those who are alienated from God to “become reconciled” to him. We are convinced that “the hour of judgment” has, indeed, arrived. We also have faith that Jehovah has not exaggerated the urgency of our preaching and disciple-making work. In vision, the apostle John “saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth.” By faith, do you see those angels poised to release the destructive winds of the great tribulation on this world? If you see those angels with your eyes of faith, you will be able to share the good news with confidence.

COMMENTARY

If there is anything that proves Jehovah’s Witnesses have the truth, it is the persistent, unshakable falsehood that is embedded in virtually everything the Watchtower teaches. That interminable lie is, of course, the 1914 fallacy —the delusion that Christ began ruling the world over 100 years ago.

It matters little to the Keepers of the lie how many contradictions they have to impose upon the believers. The all-important thing is that the delusion is maintained. But how can a lie identify the true faith?

Paul explained that “God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie.” And what is the lie, exactly? It is not the trinity or any of the lies commonly taught by the churches. It has to do with a false announcement regarding the return of Christ. Through various medium, whether via seemingly inspired messages and official letters and verbal messages, the message emanating from a man of lawlessness heralds the presence of Christ and proclaims that the day of Jehovah is here.

The very fact that Paul specifically forewarned the Thessalonians not to be unduly alarmed or shaken from their reason indicates that the delusion is directed at them and by extension to all those who have been called by God. That is why Paul also stated: “Do you not remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?” More to the point, the deluding influence would persist up until the actual manifestation of Christ destroys the source of the lie.

The reason the delusion is so powerful is because the source of the misleading influence is regarded by the deluded as being the spokesman of God —Jehovah’s earthly mouthpiece. To question any of his utterances is regarded as the worst sort of blasphemy. That is why Paul specifically warned the brothers not to believe inspired statements or letters as if authored by the apostles —in other words, messages emanating from a source reputedly in communication with God.

Now as regards the daily text, a casual reader may easily form the impression that the Watchtower is implying that the hour of judgment is near to begin. Indeed, that is what the WT wishes the reader to believe, at least in this context.

However, here is where the deluding influence is most apparent: In reality, the Watchtower actually teaches that the hour of judgment has already begun. If any of Jehovah’s Witnesses doubt that here are a few quotes taken from the most recent Watchtower articles available online.

Angels are involved in some of the remarkable things that occur in “the Lord’s day.” These include the birth of the Kingdom in 1914 and the hurling of Satan and his demons from heaven by “Michael and his angels.” The apostle John saw an “angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth.” The angel declared: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.” Jehovah’s servants are thus assured of angelic backing as they preach the good news of the established Kingdom despite the Devil’s vicious opposition. —WT 09-5/15, paragraph 17

True, the preaching work plays a vital role in the salvation of honesthearted ones, but it also serves other important purposes. The Christian ministry gives us an opportunity to demonstrate our love for Jehovah. It enables us to avoid bloodguilt. It warns the ungodly that “the hour of the judgment by [God] has arrived.” —WT 08-7/15 paragraph 16

As we keep on the watch, what can we expect? The book of Revelation outlines progressive steps in the fulfillment of God’s purpose. Acting on what it says is vital if we are to prove ourselves ready. The prophecy vividly describes events that would occur in “the Lord’s day,” which began when Christ was enthroned in heaven in 1914. Revelation alerts us to an angel who has been entrusted with “everlasting good news to declare.” He proclaims in a loud voice: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived.” That “hour” of judgment is a brief period; it includes both the pronouncement and the execution of the judgments that are depicted in that prophecy. We are now living in that period. —WT 05-10/1 paragraph 14

Obviously a symbolic hour is a relatively short period of time. For example the 8th king is to rule for merely one hour. But of course, the Keepers of the lie are adept at double-speak and according to the Watchtower an hour can apparently stretch over more than a century, which renders the symbolism meaningless. No matter, that is easily fixed. Although the hour of judgment has supposedly already arrived, the judgment has not been carried out yet – Presto! discrepancy patched over. That same sort of doublespeak is employed to convince Jehovah’s Witnesses that although Christ has already come, he is coming again; although Jesus sat down on his throne in 1914, he is going to sit down on another throne in the future in order to judge the sheep and goats; although the judgment of the house of God began in 1914, it is ongoing. And on and on and on it goes, for now anyway.

But the falsity of the Watchtower’s claim that the hour of the judgment has arrived can be discerned if a person is willing and capable of honestly reasoning on the facts.

 Those who refuse to accept the mark of the wild beast have had constant problems. Starting in the 1930’s, for example, they had to fight many court battles and endure violent mobbings and other persecutions. In the totalitarian countries, they were thrown into concentration camps, where many died. – Grand Climax pp 187

 According to the 14th chapter of Revelation the hour of the judgment occurs after the beast is slain and miraculously revives —crawling out of the symbolic abyss of death. The resurrection of the beast commences the judgment of the world of mankind. Those who follow the beast with admiration and who receive its symbolic triple-six marking are judged worthy of everlasting death —their names not being written down in the book of life. That is why Revelation 14:9-12 states: “Another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he will also drink of the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and day and night they have no rest, those who worship the wild beast and its image and whoever receives the mark of its name. Here is where it calls for endurance on the part of the holy ones, those who keep the commandments of God and hold fast to the faith of Jesus.”” 

According to the Watchtower the head of the beast was slain during the First World War. Supposedly the image of the beast that was then fabricated by the recovered head of the beast was the League of nations. And ever since 1922 people of the world have been condemned to everlasting death for having given their devotion to the League or its successor, the United Nations.

Unfortunately, Jehovah’s Witnesses are scarcely even aware that the Watchtower teaches such nonsense. But ask one, or better yet, ask an elder or circuit overseer if people are already receiving the mark of the beast. They can only answer in the affirmative, since that is what The Slave teaches. Then you might ask them why Jehovah’s Witnesses ought to even bother to preach a message of salvation to a world of people who have already been irreversibly consigned to perpetual death? (Take note of the raised eyebrow response or blank stare.) 

Of course, it is not possible to reason with them now. Such is the nature of the deluding influence that presently prevails. But the outbreak of global war and the collapse of the present system of things will serve as a resounding, much-needed wake-up call in advance of the angelic herald: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of judgment by him has arrived…”

378258Yes, the world is a difficult place for those who do not have the mark of the wild beast. It is an outstanding demonstration of Jehovah’s power and blessing that the remaining ones of the seed of the woman, as well as more than six million of the great crowd, are keeping integrity despite all the pressures to break God’s laws. Unitedly, throughout the earth, may all of us continue to magnify Jehovah and his righteous ways, as we refuse to receive the mark of the wild beast – Revelation Grand Climax pp 198

Those who have the mark of the wild beast will also be destroyed completely, as if by fire. As the prophecy later reveals, their dead bodies will be left unburied for animals and birds to eat. – pp 210

So they must be those from among the 144,000 who live on earth during the last days. As a group, they do indeed come off victorious. For almost 90 years since 1919, they have refused to accept the mark of the wild beast or look to its image as man’s only hope for peace… – pp 217

The contents of this bowl strongly emphasize the choice that lies before humans. They must suffer either the world’s disapproval or Jehovah’s indignation. Mankind has been put under compulsion to accept the mark of the wild beast, with the intent that “nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.” But there is a price to pay for this! Jehovah regards those who accept the mark as being stricken with “a hurtful and malignant ulcer.” Since 1922 they have been marked in public as having rejected the living God. – pp. 223

 
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  • Anderiega

    Double speak makes me sleepy. I now understand why so many talks and book study meetings used to make my brain fall asleep.

    • Joseph Stephan

      Hahaha hahaha hahaha, yawning!

  • ELiJAHx7

    I compare the “delusion” to a thick layer of permafrost that covers the brain of Jehovah’s people who are under the influence of the man of lawlessness….a very, very, thick permafrost…..I’m thankful for the Watchmans defrost as we wait for Jehovah to apply the ultimate can of de-icer!

    • ELiJAHx7

      I think its ironic that I believe there was an article about permafrost we covered at the meeting a long time ago…hmmm, maybe I had some cracks in my permafrost?!

      • ewatchman

        Permafrost well illustrates the situation of one whose mental powers are not actively involved with taking in, remembering, and using accurate knowledge. (Compare Matthew 13:5, 20, 21.) The person likely has the mental capacity to learn various subjects, including Bible truth. He studied “the elementary things of the sacred pronouncements of God” and may have qualified to be baptized, as did those Hebrew Christians. He might, though, not “press on to maturity,” to things beyond “the primary doctrine about the Christ.”—Hebrews 5:12; 6:1.

        18 Visualize some of those Christians at meetings back then. They were present and awake, but were their minds involved in learning? Were they actively and earnestly growing in knowledge? Perhaps not. For the immature ones, any involvement in meetings took place in a thin active layer, as it were, while below was a frozen depth. The roots of more solid or complicated truths could not penetrate into this region of mental permafrost.—Compare Isaiah 40:24.

        19 It could be similar with a Christian today. While present at meetings he may not use those occasions to grow in knowledge. What about actively sharing in them? For a new or young one to volunteer to read a scripture text or give a comment in the words of the paragraph may take considerable effort, reflecting a fine and commendable exercise of his capacity. But Paul showed that with others, in view of the time they had been Christians, they should advance beyond that initial stage of participation if they want to keep growing in knowledge.—Hebrews 5:14.

        20 If an experienced Christian never progressed beyond simply reading a Bible verse or making a basic comment straight from the paragraph, likely his participation came from the top “active layer” of his mind. Meeting after meeting could pass with the depths of his mental potential remaining in a frozen state, to continue our illustration of permafrost. We should ask ourselves: ‘Is it that way with me? Have I let a kind of mental permafrost set in? How mentally alert and interested in learning am I?’ Even if we are uncomfortable with our honest answers, we can begin now taking steps to grow in knowledge.

        Wt 1993 8/15 page 15-16

        • LW

          Interesting WT commentary

        • 1914for100Alex

          #20 describes the WT study perfectly. That’s all it is is people parroting what we just read! I seriously think that if someone were to offer much more each time they answered, they’d be looked at like they were showing off or something. I get the feeling most people there are just going through the motions. They’ve hit a wall. There’s nothing new.

        • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

          Here is an article that all Jehovah witnesses should read.
          Critical Thinking Web

          [C01] What is critical thinking?
          Critical thinking is the ability to think clearly and rationally about what to do or what to believe. It includes the ability to engage in reflective and independent thinking. Someone with critical thinking skills is able to do the following :

          understand the logical connections between ideas
          identify, construct and evaluate arguments
          detect inconsistencies and common mistakes in reasoning
          solve problems systematically
          identify the relevance and importance of ideas
          reflect on the justification of one’s own beliefs and values
          Critical thinking is not a matter of accumulating information. A person with a good memory and who knows a lot of facts is not necessarily good at critical thinking. A critical thinker is able to deduce consequences from what he knows, and he knows how to make use of information to solve problems, and to seek relevant sources of information to inform himself.

          Critical thinking should not be confused with being argumentative or being critical of other people. Although critical thinking skills can be used in exposing fallacies and bad reasoning, critical thinking can also play an important role in cooperative reasoning and constructive tasks. Critical thinking can help us acquire knowledge, improve our theories, and strengthen arguments. We can use critical thinking to enhance work processes and improve social institutions.

          Some people believe that critical thinking hinders creativity because it requires following the rules of logic and rationality, but creativity might require breaking rules. This is a misconception. Critical thinking is quite compatible with thinking “out-of-the-box”, challenging consensus and pursuing less popular approaches. If anything, critical thinking is an essential part of creativity because we need critical thinking to evaluate and improve our creative ideas.

          §1. The importance of critical thinking
          Critical thinking is a domain-general thinking skill. The ability to think clearly and rationally is important whatever we choose to do. If you work in education, research, finance, management or the legal profession, then critical thinking is obviously important. But critical thinking skills are not restricted to a particular subject area. Being able to think well and solve problems systematically is an asset for any career.

          Critical thinking is very important in the new knowledge economy. The global knowledge economy is driven by information and technology. One has to be able to deal with changes quickly and effectively. The new economy places increasing demands on flexible intellectual skills, and the ability to analyse information and integrate diverse sources of knowledge in solving problems. Good critical thinking promotes such thinking skills, and is very important in the fast-changing workplace.

          Critical thinking enhances language and presentation skills. Thinking clearly and systematically can improve the way we express our ideas. In learning how to analyse the logical structure of texts, critical thinking also improves comprehension abilities.

          Critical thinking promotes creativity. To come up with a creative solution to a problem involves not just having new ideas. It must also be the case that the new ideas being generated are useful and relevant to the task at hand. Critical thinking plays a crucial role in evaluating new ideas, selecting the best ones and modifying them if necessary

          Critical thinking is crucial for self-reflection. In order to live a meaningful life and to structure our lives accordingly, we need to justify and reflect on our values and decisions. Critical thinking provides the tools for this process of self-evaluation.

          Good critical thinking is the foundation of science and democracy. Science requires the critical use of reason in experimentation and theory confirmation. The proper functioning of a liberal democracy requires citizens who can think critically about social issues to inform their judgments about proper governance and to overcome biases and prejudice.

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          • DA

            “Some people believe that critical thinking hinders creativity”

            wow who are these people i wonder?

            reminds me of NHK’S show Supreme Skills
            (recomended)

        • ELiJAHx7

          WOW….That is the article and I remember really taking that to heart…thanks Brother King!

        • DA

          my brains a stone ice-cube no matter what i do

          • Arvid Fløysand

            good news..as you know..the “SUN” is shining very bright here on this site.and when the ice in us are melting away…then a new spring arrive :-)…greetings from Norway

            • DA

              greetings Norwegian 🙂

              id like to visit that awesome Gudvangen village. in the summer of course

            • Arvid Fløysand

              there is plenty of room at my farm…and its not far from Gudvangen 😉

      • Bklyn Kevin

        John 14: 26
        But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach YOU all things and bring back to YOUR minds all the things I told YOU.

        • ELiJAHx7

          Love your replies…you never fail Brother Kevin!

        • Burt Reynolds

          I hope he brings it back to my mind…..it’s like a leaking sieve!

    • Bklyn Kevin

      In your opinion – What do you think these various layers of permafrost consist of in reference to the watchtower?. I’m just curious of your thoughts since you brought the information to light which is excellent by the way.

      • ELiJAHx7

        Well…personally I had a thick layer of burden covering over my zeal and spiritual desire…I mean, I felt mentally trapped under an iceberg of monotonous, regurgitated, stale information, brought to us courtesy of the “faithful slave”…I could peer through the surface cracks and see the suns beams break on the surface but couldn’t maneuver past the perilous blocks of ice in the way….Fear, mental, and spiritual repression were layers of my permafrost…My personal permafrost hindered my spiritual growth to true knowledge…My siritual Titanic sank because of the dangerous icebergs lurking below the frigid murky depths and I couldn’t hear the warning of the impending danger because of my frozen condition…yes, a conditioned permafrost in my opinion, its as if the watchtower delusion freezes your mind so that the light of the real truth does not shine through…fortunately Jehovah has secured the lifeboats for those who choose to abandon ship when the “unsinkable” takes on the icy waters and makes its final plunge to the frigid abyss….I thawed out in time to hear the Watchmans warning, so I keep on swimming to reach that lifeboat so that I do not succumb to spiritual hypothermia…

        • Burt Reynolds

          Great analogy. Great insight.

        • DA

          “fortunately Jehovah has secured the lifeboats for those who choose to abandon ship”

          bah haha ha ?

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Wonderfully expressed thank you for sharing your experience.

          So you were spiritually malnourished as it were just like many of us and this gave you the drive / strength to search for the deeper things of truth and at the same time
          you had no doubt and didn’t let the waves of the sea blow you about.
          It’s just as the proverb said ” if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for it, in that case you will understand the fear of Jehovah, and you will find the very knowledge of God. Proverbs 2:4-5.

          • ELiJAHx7

            I persisted in prayer for the real truth and Jehovah answered…I have never been the same since…I thank Jehovah continuously!

            • Burt Reynolds

              That’s my experience too. Wonderful isn’t it. Except I had given up praying, and still he knew about me.

      • ELiJAHx7

        Feel free to message me on facebook Kevin…I enjoy your post and thoughts!

  • Burt Reynolds

    It was always an issue for me with the wachtower study, that we had studied the topic before. There was nothing new. But then the message is not new either. The point seems to be to expound the message over and again so that people are aware. But it never went deeper than the superficial message as though we were all children, incapable of and not needful of, learning the greater mysteries of the prophesies and how they applied. It was simply gods name, he’s comming soon, do what the watchtower says. It is only now that I have found out why….the watchtower didn’t know themselves. All learning was couched in wordy description, yet never explanation. Rather like a menu promising deep rich tasty food, which turns out to be beans on toast! The watchtower seem to be masters of Trolling the bible, with much to say, but only superficial content and never an explanation to be had. Anderiega’s words hit home…making your brain fall asleep. I wonder how many times I went to a meeting just to be seen to be attending, and spent the time there worrying about work or wondering what was for dinner while we read about being destroyed at armagheddon unless we did what the watchtower said for the umpteenth time.

  • Arvid Fløysand

    Hello brothers and sisters..my name is Arvid and i live in Norway.I have been on this site for some time and i love it..just like most of you,i instantly felt like i knew this “song” when i first came to this wonderful site..so i wonder if there is room for one more to “sing” along with you?

    • DA

      although relatively few find e-Watchman, once they do, its a case of dimensional transcendentalism an there’s plenty of room 🙂

    • Joseph Stephan

      Welcome Arvid to Jehovah’s watchman family of truth seekers , very nice to have a Norwegian join us for this banquet of spiritual food! Pull up a chair where you are always welcome. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/345be6a51acbbb462133404e80608ee3b6f2c496bf7e0624c75b61261afe67ed.jpg

      • Arvid Fløysand

        Thank you Joseph…im always hungry for spiritual food…and that nice picture makes my stomach feel need of something too 🙂

    • Peaceful Waters

      Hi Avrid 🙂 Welcome to this wonderful spiritual buffet!

      • Arvid Fløysand

        Thank you very mutch…its a privilege 🙂

    • Cocheta

      Velkommen, Arvid, how wonderful to meet another one searching for the truth. I so remember Gudvangen from 36 years ago when I lived & worked in Flam. My friends & I would take the ferry on the Aurlandsfjorden on our days off.

      I love Norway, it is a beautiful country & I think my most peaceful memories from my life are sitting on the wooden balcony which was covered in scented honeysuckle in the late evening hazy light of a Norwegian summer. A tiny fishing boat came into the harbour late every night with its little bell tinkling….such peace!
      I worked in a pension & had to cycle down occasionally to meet the ferry ships & bring the people up for lunch – I remember serving whole salmon – & reindeer & helping to prepare the smorgasbord for breakfast. My favourite breakfast was fresh yoghurt with rips.

      I remember the Kjosfoss waterfall on the side of the railway track from Flam to Myrdal, the driver stopped to let us all get off to take photos. Oh, what memories you have brought back to me tonight, Arvid

      • Arvid Fløysand

        Wow…amazing…wish i could invite you all to my farm.and for you i would serve your favourite breakfast 🙂

        • Joseph Stephan

          We will all meet up with you at the farm one day and share our stories and love for Jehovah and Jesus!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/794709962660bfbee20aaa0c1208dae5f8a013a6d25d547d1340ef1b0b551715.jpg

          • Arvid Fløysand

            wonderful picture..i think it is important to daydream every day about future paradise …we need to keep the moral high and look forward to the real world.Like Abraham did …good to have someone to walk along with on the narrow way to the real life

            • Burt Reynolds

              We hope to be with you all the way…..we all do.

          • Burt Reynolds

            With you on that one. Stop by in England on your way over. I’m second on the left. You can use my wagon and cart horse…… If you can get Rufus the Lion to move over that is…

          • Alfred Marquez

            Joseph… You do realize that “The End” or “Paradise” is never coming right?

            • Arvid Fløysand

              would that be because you say so?

            • Alfred Marquez

              Not because I say so, but because the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York has made it extremely easy for me to arrive at that conclusion… (see my post above)…

            • DA

              besides a boring reply ’cause their brainwashed’ or ’cause their under mind control’ as if we dont get that already, why do you think it is that it is so hard for people whos whole purpose in life is to expose the truth for what it is, wont listen to others that genuinely want to talk with them about where the mistakes and lies have been made in what they have mistaken as truth? why is it that after becoming awake to the truth, they themselvs dont want to take the time to make sure what they’ve now come to realize is all accurate with someone who wants to show them where they have learned isnt exactly right either?

            • Joseph Stephan

              Most people have felt that way? A lot of us have. Admittedly, though, life in this old system can make it very difficult for us to see the coming Paradise as a reality. These are “critical times hard to deal with,” and the world we live in is anything but paradisaic. (2 Tim. 3:1) What can help you see this hope as real? Well, how do we really know that soon God’s Kingdom will rule all mankind? Let us consider a few of the prophecies from Jehovah that his people saw fulfilled in the ancient past. Then we will review how those and similar prophecies are undergoing a thrilling fulfillment right now.

              https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/gods-kingdom/promises/gods-will-on-earth/

            • Alfred Marquez

              Yeah. Here’s the thing about getting info from JW dot Org… When Scare-Mageddon didn’t arrive in October of 1914, your leaders simply moved it to April of 1918. When it didn’t arrive in April of 1918, they simply moved to 1925. Yes, 1914, 1918 and 1925 were all categorically predicted as dates for Scare-Mageddon (Deu 18:20-22).

              After the great JW exodus of the 1930’s (when thousands of JWs around the world finally woke up and left), the Watchtower leadership decided to regroup and stop making “predictions” until things cooled down. Then they gradually started suggesting possible dates in the 1940’s to increase baptisms and contributions. Then, after losing millions in the early 1960’s in bad investments, they decided to scare JWs yet again to increase baptisms and contributions. So Whacky Freddy {Frederick Franz) started ranting for nearly 8 years (between 1966 and 1974) that Scare-Mageddon would likely arrive in Autumn of 1975.

              Then, in 1984 and 1989, the Watchtower magazine stated that “The End” would finally arrive “before the turn of the century” (before the year 2000).

              Then, in 2010, Splaining Splane explained that ONE (1) Generation is actually TWO (2) Generations that overlap.

              Get a clue. After so many lies and false predictions, why on earth would anyone go to JW dot ORG for factual information?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Hello Alfred and welcome to the site nice to have you visit.

              POW” Alfred you really got some good points that I can’t argue with.

            • Alfred Marquez

              Thanks Kevin… I’m happy to expose this mind-control cult… It’s too bad I don’t have the platform that Leah Remini has in exposing Scientology.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              What you called mind control I like to think as a deluding influence like the apostle Paul spoke about.

              I think you will find this article that I am leaving you very interesting to read , please check it out and get back to me and let me know what you think . I would appreciate your opinion after you have read it.

              The Deluding Influence. Read more> https://e-watchman.com/the-deluding-influence/

            • Alfred Marquez

              like

            • 1914for100Alex

              If only there were someone out there explaining it all, hey Alfred? You know, like a…a… watchman type person, or something. Someone that agrees with some of your grievances, and could offer some insight into what it all means. Good luck in your quest for the truth Alfred. You never know where you might just stumble across it 😉

              https://e-watchman.com/closer-look-1914/

            • Joseph Stephan

              None of this is new to us, we all know about the many false predictions by the Watchtower . That’s why we ended up here, you obviously took no time to investigate Robert’s site. You have no interest in learning, so take a hike .

              16 There are six things that Jehovah hates;
              Yes, seven things that he* detests:
              17 Haughty eyes,+ a lying tongue,+ and hands that shed innocent blood,+
              18 A heart plotting wicked schemes,+ and feet that run quickly to evil,
              19 A false witness who lies with every breath,+
              And anyone sowing contentions among brothers.+

            • Alfred Marquez

              Jehovah sucks dick and so do you.

            • Joseph Stephan

              Wow,, hit the road SATAN

            • Alfred Marquez

              Allow me to educate you. Jehovah, Satan and Jesus do not exist. They are all characters invented to manipulate weak minds like yours. Keep dreaming about pandas, lions and koalas. But one thing is certain… Jehovah really does suck dick.

            • DA

              you need a chill pill guy. why not be friendly and show some intelligent dialogue instead of getting band for trolling?

            • Alfred Marquez

              I was actually being friendly until Joseph started accusing me of being a haughty troublemaker who has no interest in learning. Not sure why he jumped to those ridiculous conclusions but I suspect the JW brainwashing he received hasn’t completely worn off yet.

            • DA

              youve mistaken Joseph. you should read many of his comments so that his history speaks for itself. hes pretty darn wise and a nice guy as you will definitely observe. hes quite awear of the problems that are going on in the WT organization

            • Alfred Marquez

              I respectfully disagree. He automatically judged me and assumed I was trying to stir up trouble on this site. Not cool. It is he who needs to take a chill pill.

            • DA

              in that case dont you think that instead of your crude responce you should have simply replied to him saying what you just now told me? a cooler responce perhaps?

            • Alfred Marquez

              No… He had already told me to “take a hike”, so his mind was made up that I was here to start trouble… So, no… He didn’t deserve a “cool” response…

            • DA

              alright then give him a reason to change his mind and not something to prove his was right about you. it isnt deserving out of respect for others, yourself here and Robert to leave a comment like that. most all here like Joseph and that type of bad responce about him only makes it more difficult for others an yourself to communicate.

              im guessing youre not much a bible reader? give your understanding on things that others can talk about with you

            • Burt Reynolds

              I think that anyone who uses language like you just did, and the filthy implications behind it, does not represent an inquiring mind, but one that is already made up and closed to discussion and a reevaluation of ones heart and mind. Such an outburst of concealed hatred is not only evidence of your true feelings when opposed, but is truely reprehensible. If, when you have considered the above you wish to engage in dialogue with an open mind, then I have the time for you.

            • Joseph Stephan

              Ten up votes!
              That punk was scum you would find on the floor of the public toilet.

            • Joseph Stephan

              ?WARNING ?
              SATAN HAS ENTERED THE SITE

              REPORT AND HIT THE BLOCK BUTTON

              ?WARNING ?

            • Joseph Stephan
            • Alfred Marquez

              Like !!!

            • Alfred Marquez

              Aaw!! Isn’t that adorable. The wittle ex-JW wants me blocked from this very important website because he thinks I’m Satan… That’s so cute.

            • ewatchman

              He’s gone. Poof!

            • Joseph Stephan

              Thank you so much! He got my blood boiling,wanted to punch him in his ugly face.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Alfred, you’ve lost the argument once you start using profanities mate! And that’s a shame as you come across as very articulate and intelligent. All the things you describe as wrong with the organisation is due to the Deluding Influence that God is allowing to go out into his household and among his people just like Bklyn Kevin explained to you. Instead of swearing your head off check out the facts first and can you please bear in mind some young people visit this site and there’s older ones who shouldn’t have to read your swear words.

            • Cocheta

              Well, that was something awful to read as I just logged in!

              Young man, would you stand by & listen if someone said that phrase in front of your mother or a child of yours? I really don’t think so!

              I am one of the older ones who had to read your swear words, bad enough that you disgraced yourself but you insulted The Most High & Exalted God, let alone the other members here who tried to reason with you.

              If you are against Jehovah & Jesus that is something you need to deal with yourself, even if you are against the whole of the JW organisation you had no need to go to the trouble of making a profile here, why not just let your mind wander off elsewhere instead of throwing a hissy fit here?
              Yes, there are many things wrong with the JW Org & we recognise them as such, but it is something that has to be accepted & lived with, we don’t go around stomping & swearing about it.

              You came to the wrong site if you think that the GB has brainwashed us, we are quite learned about that & the facts of 1914 etc., why not read some of the articles on here with an open mind & then come & join in – you don’t have to lash out at us, Alfred, we are not the enemy.

              Take a look around you at nature & realise that the One you say doesn’t exist actually created the beauty you can easily see, but also look & realise that satan is the one who has got into you & caused all this pain you are throwing out at us. You can be helped to see things differently & we are more than willing to help you get over the hatred that the GB has caused for you. One bad apple can rot a whole basket, please remember that & get yourself out of the filthy swamp that satan has you trapped in.
              Or you can stick around here & I can enjoy boxing your ears for you. I may be female but I have been known to drag a 6’2″ guy across the corridor & scrub his mouth out with soap (that’s a LOL, Alfred!)

            • Joseph Stephan

              He is a bottom feeder, scum bag! Troll

            • DA

              proverbs 15:1

            • Burt Reynolds

              6ft 3″ Burt makes note in diary not to mess with Concheta. Speaking of which, do you miss Pears soap!

            • Cocheta

              Carbolic soap is far more effective, Burt

            • Burt Reynolds

              We had carbolic soap at boarding school. Matron would carve a great chunk off a two foot bar. It never lathered, just dissolved my skin. My hands were raw and cracked all term. My grand mother used pears. As soon as you went in her house you smelt pears soap and coal gas from the belling cooker. AND we went up there in a steam train. They still had the air raid shelter too. My father had a bomb straight through the roof of his house, but it hit the water tank and only blew the roof off the house. One way of getting rid of the dry rot I suppose.

            • DA

              the answer: to get knowledge of Jehovah and the truth about scripture excluding the interpreted errors of future prophecy. this being through theocratic meetings organized to provide a study resource of the bible as a group, a congregation, to “hold fast the public declaration of our hope without wavering, for he is faithful that promised. And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as YOU behold the day drawing near.”

            • Alfred Marquez

              no

      • Burt Reynolds

        Wow! You have been around. Why don’t we all surge over and put our feet up on the porch with the honeysuckle and ships tinkling bells. We get do wrapped up in life we forget the beauties of creation. I know what I want from Norway, Gafflebieter. In sherry, in dill, in anything in fact. Can’t get them in England.

        • Cocheta

          well, it wouldn’t stay very peaceful with you lot around! LOL But, yes, it would be amazing. I forgot to mention I could hear the hares calling to each other from the hills & see the tracks of the reindeer in the snow or see the start of a waterfall. I always thought it would be the perfect place to recover from a nervous breakdown.
          Nature is indeed exquisite, Jehovah knew how to make everything ‘Just So’ & I can’t wait to see it in all it’s cleansed glory.
          Gaffelbiter is a Scandinavian dish, It is made from fillets of herring which have been salted and matured for some weeks. Then it is cut in small strips and marinated in a sweet/sour marinade which may contain sugar and vinaigre and spices. Some use a little tomato paste, and/or a dash of sherry instead of spices.
          The fairly small strips of salted herring can also be covered with sour cream and be served with pickled beets, or sour cream and chopped leek. Or fresh dill.
          Or just plain small herring pieces with halved hard boiled eggs and fresh dill. Sour
          cream, sliced onion and beets would be served as accompaniment. Often served with dark bread or small boiled or baked potatoes.

          Basically the Norwegian version of the London Roll mop herrings, I’ll send you a link to recipe on FB, Burt. It’s easy enough to make & very much like the original, although you can send for it online.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Oohhh yes please. I’m also going to follow your suggestion of having a nervous breakdown so that I can go and recouperate in Norway…..see you there.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Hello and welcome Arvid and yes there’s plenty of room.

      I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to YOU people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star. And the spirit and the bride keep on saying: “Come!” And let anyone hearing say: “Come!” And let anyone thirsting come; let anyone that wishes take life’s water free.Revelation 22:16-17.

      • Arvid Fløysand

        Thank you Kevin…and yes i am very thirsty and wish to drink …

        • Bklyn Kevin

          I found this article to the thirst quenching.

          How can Jehovah’s Witnesses be so blind and still be…?
          Read more> https://e-watchman.com/how-can-jehovahs-witnesses-be-so-blind/

          • Arvid Fløysand

            thank you Kevin…its a good one..in fact every articles on this site is 🙂
            like a candy store for kids

      • Burt Reynolds

        Absolutely. I love that scripture. Thanks for reminding me where I can find it too.

    • LW

      Hello Arvid,

      Welcome. Greetings from the U.S. 🙂

      • Arvid Fløysand

        Thank you…if Jehova in one way or another can help me all the way to the finishline..then i will go searching for all of you 🙂

    • Burt Reynolds

      Please do sing along with us. Welcome. I live in England, Margate. And Daisy lives somewhere nearby. You are right, this site does have the song. Welcome.

      • Arvid Fløysand

        Thank you my brother…btw.my dog want me to send a big friendly sniff to your dog

        • Burt Reynolds

          My dog is called Basil and he is 12 years old. He is a King Charles spaniel, but eats like a horse.

          • Arvid Fløysand

            My dog is called Shasja and not only eats like a horse,but even looks like a black horse..mix of geat dane and rottweiler ..i remember Basil from Fawlty towers 🙂

            • Burt Reynolds

              We named him after their herb. (Or erb for my American brothers) yes. Basil fawlty was good, especially beating his car with a tree branch.

    • True Witness

      Dear brother Arvid from beatiful Norway. I am also glad to meet you here at our small but very good congregation of truth lovers. My name is Yuri from Israel. I was visiting Norway last May. It was wonderful trip to fiyords of Norway. If you give me your email I can send my pics from Norway.

      Welcome to the real TRUTH. May Jehovah our God will bless you with everlasting life also all true witnesses of his.

      • Arvid Fløysand

        Thank you Yuri for welcoming me…you can email me at : arvflo@msn.com

      • Lev

        Юра, ты говоришь по-русски .Лева из России.

        • True Witness

          Привет Лев
          Да я говорю по русски.
          Будет очень приятно тебя узнать. Я думаю ты тоже веришь в Библию и читаешь то что написано на этом сайте. Я СИ уже 30 лет. Мне нравится то что пишет Роберт Кинг и другие на этом сайте. Буду рад узнать тебе больше.

          • Lev

            Здравствуй, дорогой брат Юрий! Я несказанно рад тебе. Здесь неудобно общаться по русски, так как все братья англоязычные,поэтому прошу тебя, пожалуйста,напиши мне на email: shmelyenish@mail.ru.Заранее благодарю за ответ.

            • Charles

              Привет друзья, я финн, но научился русский. Пионерил в Латвии 1994-1995 годах. Тоже помазанник. И имею много знаннии особенно по пророчествам. Хотите узнать чтото глубже, задайте вопрос, постараюсь ответит.

            • Lev

              Здравствуй, Charles! Я рад знакомству. Мне трудно общаться с братьями, т.к. знание английского языка – на школьном уровне, а google переводчик непонятно переводит. Брат, не мог бы ты мне разъяснить такой вопрос: в Римлянам 11:25,26 Павел пишет о спасении всего Израиля, а затем в римлянам 11:32 подтверждает это. Хотя Сторожевая Башня утверждает, что это “духовный Израиль”, но стих 28 говорит что Иегова любит Израиль ради их отцов. Значит ли это что проявленному Богом милосердию, спасутся все израильтяне? Спасибо за ответ. Привет солнечной Суоми! Лев.

            • Charles

              Заимно рад за знакомство. Давай я тебе отвечу по эмаил. Сейчас прямо насчну писат тебе по адресу которий ты лал выше. Увидимся!

          • Lev

            Юрий, здравствуй! Что случилось с тобой ? Здоров ли ты? Я потерял тебя из виду. Слушай,а с Дудинкой тебя ничего не связывает? А Израиль все еще ждет Мессию чтобы восстановить Храм и Царство? Ну,пока! Не хандри! Привет братьям по вере! С уважением Лев.

      • Charles

        Interesting Yuri,
        I have always been interested about Israel. Interestingly Brother Russell traveled around in Europe and preached that Israelites will return to their homeland and that prophecy came true. At least something WT got true. Then Rutherford, in 1930:ies when Hitler begun to persecute the jews, lost his faith that this could ever happen, changed the doctrine. If he only had waited little more until the second world war was ended he had seen the explanations of Russell come true. Amazing is it not?

  • DA

    “More to the point, the deluding influence would persist up until the actual manifestation of Christ destroys the source of the lie.”

    yep. and where in any publacation does the Watchtower explain that in 1914/1918 (1918 now simultaneously being future says the WT) that Jesus overturned the lie about his pressince? and since the WT now has set the Master’s return to judge the house in the future, (https://e-watchman.com/who-really-is-the-faithful-and-discreet-slave/) what religion on earth upholding that lie will Jesus overturn? there is only one that i am awear of that is famous for proming 1914, and that is the Watchtower organization of Jehovah’s witnesses. what other religion out there claims Jesus alredy returned?

  • DA

    “(Take note of the raised eyebrow response or blank stare.)”

    ha funny guy

  • Burt Reynolds

    Isn’t it just wonderful when people just roll up from all over the world, Australia, Norway, Russia, Italy, Israel, and so many in so short a time. Makes me feel so good.

  • True Witness

    Robert

    I just see now after reading this comment how strong influence of man lawlessness on JW an GB. They just completely blinded. I also was blind few years ago and believed with all my heart in 1914 and other things that WT printed. But now I free from all this satanic influence. Yes Satan is very strong. Many JW will pay with their lives for their blindes and arrogance to see the truth. I think the most miserable people will be arrogant JW that will see their destruction. Many years of harship and problems will be for nothing. At Jesus presence they will see their error but it will be to late for them. GB also will be in pain. Because of their blindes now many will suffer death in near future. Let us do everything to stay alert. Our life depends on it.

    Blessings to all brothers and sisters here.

  • Joseph Stephan

    DON’T FEED THE TROLLS !

    • DA

      passive thoughts …(2-Thess 3:14 / 1-Thess 5:14)

  • JTK

    spoke to a witness that i have known for some time at work about the 1914 delusion, specifically asked about the mark 666 being permanent. and then put the question Robert poses to him, in effect being what can the preaching work possibly achieve if the mark has already been issued by the beast.
    and yes the response was just as Robert predicted a blank stare.
    its a painful thing to see when a person believes something is the truth but then is asked a simple but direct question about their heart held belief and seemingly cannot even process the question let alone answer it.
    it sort of reminds me of hypnosis when a person can be made blind to the obvious.
    but when they do come out of the trance by enforced reality hopefully they heed those who have listened and know what is happening

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