Look! I have forewarned you

//Look! I have forewarned you

Thursday, December 7

Take your stand against [Satan], firm in the faith.1 Pet. 5:9.

Satan is at war with the anointed remnant and the “other sheep.” The Devil’s goal is to devour as many of Jehovah’s servants as he can in the short time that he has left. Can we win our fight against Satan? Yes! The Bible says: “Oppose the Devil, and he will flee from you.” Many scoff at the idea that Satan even exists. To them, Satan and the demons are fictional characters of novels, horror movies, and video games. Such people feel that no intelligent person believes in wicked spirits. Now, do you think that it bothers Satan that he and his invisible cohorts have been relegated to the world of folklore? That is not likely! After all, it is easy for Satan to blind the minds of those who doubt that he exists. Promoting the idea that spirits do not exist is one of the many ways that Satan uses to mislead people.

Many of Jehovah’s Witnesses scoff at the idea that Satan has not been cast out of heaven. When presented with information concerning the falsity of the Watchtower’s 1914 end times scenario they reject it out of hand, imagining the messenger is an apostate.

The letter Paul wrote to the brothers in Thessalonica, urging the brothers not to become alarmed or shaken from their reason regarding authoritative announcements and letters intended to be as though authored by the apostles, claiming that the presence of Christ has begun and the day of Jehovah is here, has no relevance for them. It is simply beyond their capacity to comprehend that the Devil could be so clever, cunning and powerful, so as to fabricate a false parousia. While believing that Satan is at war with them Jehovah’s Witnesses have no inkling they been brought under a deluding influence by the very institution they regard as the source of all truth.

To illustrate the Watchtower’s deceptive influence, consider the article in the December 15th, 2013, Watchtower Magazine, where it is stated in paragraph five regarding Paul’s letter to the Thessalonians:

What is now chapter 2 of this letter reveals that some in that congregation had become “excited” about Jehovah’s day to the point that they believed that its arrival was then imminent.

The Watchtower implies that Paul’s warning only had relevance for Christians living 2,000 years ago. And incredibly, Jehovah’s Witnesses are oblivious to the fact that since its inception the Watchtower has proclaimed that the parousia has begun and the day of Jehovah is here –exactly as the apostle forewarned. In fact, for over a half century the Watchtower claimed that the day of Jehovah began in 1914. Not only that, just as Paul forewarned that letters circulating among the brothers as though emanating from the apostles themselves, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses have cleverly elevated themselves to the status of the original apostles.

Most noteworthy, Paul revealed that the source of the deluding influence is a man of lawlessness who will ultimately exalt himself as a god and sit down in the spiritual temple of Jehovah God, which is to say in Christ’s congregation.

Regarding the  man of lawlessness, Paul referred to him as “the son of destruction.” That designation is very significant, since at John 17:12 Jesus used that very same expression in connection with treacherous Judas, who at that very moment was leading the authorities to Jesus as he prayed in the garden of Gethsemane. Since Judas was one of the 12 and was with Jesus throughout his entire ministry and was present at the last Passover Jesus observed with his apostles, Paul’s inspired designation of the man of lawlessness as the “son of destruction” surely signifies that he is a composite group of men who from all outward appearances are respected men of God —even apostles.

In order to empower the man of lawlessness and cloak him with apostolic authority, Satan employs all his deceptive powers. Paul explained: “The lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved.” —2 Thessalonians 2:9-10

One aspect of the deluding influence is the notion that the man of lawlessness is the clergy. However, the same 2013 Watchtower makes the following statement:

To set matters straight, Paul under inspiration explained that a great apostasy and “the man of lawlessness” were to appear before Jehovah’s day. Thereafter, in his due time, the Lord Jesus would “bring to nothing” all those who had been deceived. The apostle pinpointed the reason for this judgment on them; it was that “they did not accept the love of the truth.” We do well to ask ourselves: ‘How much do I love the truth? Do I keep up-to-date with our present understanding as set out in the pages of this magazine and other Bible-based publications provided for the worldwide congregation of God’s people?’

According to the Watchtower the man of lawlessness and the apostasy that must come first, immediately prior to the parousia, took place over 1,600 years ago. And still, after hundreds of years, Christ has not manifested himself. Most noteworthy, the citation above equates the truth with “our present understanding as set out” by the Watchtower. To illustrate the deception of this comment consider the fact that from its very first publication the Watchtower claimed the parousia had begun in 1874. For over half a century that was the “present understanding.” Then 1874 was scrapped and 1914 became “our present understanding.” What this means is that for over 50 years the Watchtower promoted a fraud, a lie, in the name of truth; except it was never admitted to be a lie or delusion. Now it is simply old truth. No wonder Paul sternly warned the brothers not to believe the false proclamations that the parousia has begun!

Although the Bible Students that believed the lie that the parousia had begun in 1874 have all passed away, what about the millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses now who believe the 1914 hoax? It poses a potentially lethal stumbling block for them. How so? Because the Watchtower’s “present understanding” regarding vital matters pertaining to the parousia will always be a lie. That is because the Watchtower will not accept Christ when he comes. That is, in fact, why Jehovah allows them to get to believing the lie —“the lie” being, that Christ has already come, at least that is the “present understanding.” So, when he does actually come everyone will have to demonstrate their faith apart from being tutored by the Watchtower. Those who do not love the truth will follow the son of destruction into destruction.

To emphasize the point —the point being: if Jehovah’s Witnesses are the true faith the clergy could not possibly be the manifestation of the man of lawlessness —the apostle Peter makes it clear that true Christians will have to deal with false prophets within their midst, not as some outside influence. For example, the apostle wrote: “However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.” —2 Peter 2:1

Please note that Peter said there would be false teachers among you. And not only that, but they would bring destruction upon themselves, even as the son of destruction. Furthermore, the apostle went on to say: “Also, they will greedily exploit you with counterfeit words. But their judgment, decided long ago, is not moving slowly, and their destruction is not sleeping.”

Peter did not say the false teachers will merely try to exploit you. He foretold that they will succeed in greedily exploiting you with counterfeit words. This parallels with what Paul wrote concerning the man of lawlessness. Surely, those who announce that Jesus has already come employ the use of counterfeit words to pass off as the currency of “our present understanding.”

The man of lawlessness runs an operation of Satan

Given the fact that the Watchtower has always promoted a false parousia, what should we expect when Christ actually comes? More deception, what else? That is why Jesus also sternly forewarned us about a great deception that would be in operation then. In fact, Jesus prefaced his prophecy of the conclusion by saying: “Look out that nobody misleads you, for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.”

What is the man of lawlessness if not a false Christ? Surely, his sitting down in the temple of God and exalting himself above every god will involve declaring himself to be the Christ. That is why Jesus went on to say: “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. Look! I have forewarned you. Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be. Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.” —Matthew 24:23-28

Jehovah’s Witnesses would do well to consider the fact, that —as the day’s text states —Satan is at war with God’s chosen ones, how would it be possible for them to be deceived by the clergy? The clerics of Christendom have no influence over Jehovah’s Witnesses. The fact is, the operation of Satan has already produced great signs and wonders; such as conjuring WWI and the outbreak of the Spanish Influenza and the persecution of the Bible Students to coincide with the mystical seven times chronology the Watchtower has fabricated.

But just as Satan entered into Judas when Jesus handed him the morsel, thus beginning the hour of the authority of darkness, we may expect the masonic agents within the Watchtower to take their deception to a whole new level when once the signs of the conclusion begin to display themselves; namely, nation rising against nation, etc.

2017-12-07T10:34:53+00:00 December 7th, 2017|Commentary|174 Comments
  • Eric

    Hey Robert… have you ever heard of “Project Blue Beam”? It’s a crazy conspiracy theory… but I’ve come to realize many conspiracy theories have been proven conspiracy facts. JFK assassination, Golf of Tonkin, the creation of the FED, USS Liberty, Project Paperclip, Operation Northwoods… and this list goes on. I personally don’t believe we landed on the moon. Stanley Kubrick even eluded to it in a few instances… and the problem of the Van Allen radiation belt, would have required thick lead walls in the space capsule in order to protect the astronauts heading to the moon. Also, NASA screwed up a few years back and admitted to a group of students that we “lost” the technology to return, which is why we haven’t been back. I have an old saying… don’t pee on me and tell me it’s raining!

    Anyway, whether or not blue beam is real or a false story like the “Flat Earth” nonsense… it will be interesting times indeed when Satan is booted from Heaven!

    • NASA did not lose the technology to return to the moon. They lost the funding. NASA has been strangled by the London/Wall Street mob, who are anti-science, anti-development. Problem for them is that they have very little control over China, which is scientifically advancing at an astonishing pace. China intends to go to the moon to mine Helium 3 in order to develop nuclear fusion. http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2014/4132china_indust_moon.html

      • Eric

        It’s neither here nor there. Personally, I believe there exists far superior technology, and man has been to the moon and beyond for decades. I just don’t buy the official story. I’m a science guy and when looked at under a microscope, it doesn’t add up… too many holes.

        I believe Jehovah will provide us with perfect, clean technology in the new system. I don’t believe we’ll be running around naked. We’re gonna need tools and some kind of industry to rebuild. I also believe Satan has given advanced technology to his human minions. Gonna be fun no matter what. You’ll be flying around in Heaven hopefully… I’m gonna enjoy flying around in whatever Jehovah provides us! Lol

        • Going to the moon is not that difficult. Getting off the earth and into space is the hard part. Once science advanced to the point of putting vehicles in outer space going to the moon was and is very do-able. I toured NASA once In Clear Lake, Texas, the lunar module that landed on the moon is very crude by today’s standards. By the way, had the NASA moon project not been undertaken we might not have personal computers yet. The moon project required miniaturization of big mainframes so they could fit into a tiny capsule. Had the government not promoted the project the development of personal computers would have taken much longer.

          • Eric

            Let’s agree to disagree on the moon. We’ll find out who’s right in the new world. If I’m right, you have to ask Jehovah if I can have a tour of Heaven… if you’re right, I’ll wash the feet of every member of your resurrected ancestors. Limit of 1,000! Lol

            On another note… the dollar collapse is sooo close. Have you seen the Bitcoin craze? I believe it’s going to be used as the one world currency post collapse.

            • I am curious, do you believe there are satellites orbiting the earth? I have to use a satellite dish for Internet because of being out in the country. Seems real to me. Do you think that sat nav and all that is a hoax? What about ICBM’s? A few days ago someone commented that nuclear weapons were a hoax.

            • Eric

              I believe satellites are real. I just don’t believe the offical moon story. It’s a joke when you look at the photos and videos… leaked documents from NASA. Watch the press conference the 3 held after coming back. They looked like they were ashamed. They most likely believed they were heading to the moon and then were forced to lie. I believe it was a psyop against the USSR. It worked! They spent a lot of money trying to go there. As I said, I believe it’s possible we have advanced tech and have been there since… but the official story is a joke.

            • Eric

              As for nukes… I believe they’re real… but a case can be made that we fire bombed both cites and then developed the “bomb” later? Who knows. Governments lie…

            • There were Japanese people dying from radiation-induced cancer all the way up until a few years ago. I would imagine all of those exposed have died off by now. My brother-n-law married a Japanese American. Her Japanese mother saw the mushroom cloud from a distance that towered above Nagasaki. Her daughter, born about 10 years after the bombing had a slight birth defect.

            • Eric

              I don’t disagree with you. I believe it was a nuke. But I’ve seen some arguments that could make one believe it was a firebombing like Dresden. Pictures of “ground zero” show a brick building still standing… most of the structures were wooden and people reported massive fires… doesn’t really matter. I believe nukes are real and about to fly in the ME and Asia.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Without labouring the point, but just for the sake of information: the physics of the atom bomb as explained by Robert Oppenheimer in his post war interviews; there is no question that the intelligence was there to produce an atomic weapon. There is of course, the orginal film of the first test still extant. That Hiroshima and Nagasaki were attacked with nuclear weapons is correct, as was amply shown by the film of the aftermath whereby a silhouette of one man in particular who was vaporised by the radiation flash, and that appears on the wall whereby he was sitting is evident. The explosion also has a central point over the two bridges and from there stems a perfect radius of blast from that height, both downward, (as the bomb was detonated above the ground surface to reduce the radioactive contamination of the ground soil….the Americans wanted to be able to inspect the site afterwards), and laterally. The radiation burns etc on the population are of course different to plain heat burns due to the radiation effects and the healing process. Be that as it may, there are ample contradictory examples between the blast at Hiroshima and the true firestorm in Dresden German of February 1945, where the equivalent tonnage of TNT was dropped. You can access the various film at the British war museum, but there is also less graphic info on the Internet. Finally, if you look at the film of the dropping of the bomb at Hiroshima, taken from the observation plane, you can see that there are only two other planes in the sky, not the 1,000 plus that would have been necessary to fire storm the city. There is far more graphic info, but it’s not for these pages.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I’m amazed at the sat nav technology, and it disproves the van Allen belt conclusively. How else would that woman be able to give directions for all this length of time if there was that level of radiation!? AND she speaks just about every language. I don’t know about nukes, but I do know those missiles carry about 20’0000 tons of TNT. How they get that weight to lift off is anybody’s guess. They probably have some sort of nuclear engine.

            • Eric

              I’ll no longer post here since you deleted one of my posts. Very WTS of you.

            • I did not delete anyone’s posts

            • Island Breeze

              I think it was project Blue Beam shot a laser though the window and zaped his account for doubting the moon landing.

              Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha 😂😲🤣😎✔😚(joke)

            • Max

              LOL

            • Jamie Mac

              Does anybody else aside from you have the permissions to remove items which they have not written.

            • I can see that all your posts on this thread were deleted. I can assure you I did not do it and have no idea what caused it.

            • Burt Reynolds

              If you get yourself a good telescope with magnification, you can see the lander at the sea of tranquility. The instrument measuring distance between Earth and moon and other radio signals is still working!

            • Eric

              We could have sent a lander there with probes… not denying that possibility… but I don’t believe we landed people there and then left. At least not the official story.

            • Jamie Mac

              I once watched a program on the telly about this subject, yes I know there have been many over the years and in fact you only have the watch the Discovery channel to see these stories still being broadcast. The one in question though interviewed a Scottish scientist monitoring the activity. This was some kind of scientific research place somewhere in Scotland and all their equipment they were using was targeting the moon and the exact location where the 2 guys landed. They could hear the conversations taking place between the 2 and NASA. He said there was no way it was fake and he laughed of the suggestions of a conspiracy. I remember watching events unfold on our black and white telly. I was probably to young to appreciate it at the time.

              Like you Eric , I wonder also what kind of tech will be around in the Kingdom. If I make it I will ask Jehovah for a grand tour of the unbelievable universe he has created.

            • Eric

              I’ve read about the electric universe theory and how the sun could actually be powered by electricity and isn’t nuclear. It makes more sense than the current theory, but who knows for sure. Satan controls science at the top levels… always has. What lies we are told by his system of propaganda is what he’s allowed. Jehovah has allowed Satan room to continue the lies like evolution… but as time goes on, holes get poked in that lie, as well as others.

              The government controls most levels of science via funding. The government ran the space program and the Manhattan project. They’ve lied about cures for cancer and many other diseases. They lie about the financial system… I find it funny how much trust people put in Satan’s system of news and government propaganda… I see past the lies.

              I’ve read and read and read about the lies told to us concerning medicine, technology, economics, government false flags and propaganda… so to believe them when the facts point in another direction is very difficult for me.

              The Van Allen radiation belt would have prevented human beings from safely traveling to the moon in 1969 technology as presented to the public. This is irrefutable. Many in that generation can’t believe this is a lie because it was so well ingrained into their psyche. Almost like the 1914 doctrine is for many older witnesses.

              I have an open mind and go where the facts lead me. I don’t believe planes brought down the Towers… and 3,000 plus architects and structural engineers agree… but try to convince a hardcore Republican and they’ll call you nuts. I’ve read zero point energy, yet we still have internal combustion engines… it’s all Satan’s system.

            • The fact is, the empire people wish to discredit the moon landing. It has always been their view that the ruling elite are a separate breed, not at all related to the ruled-over class of apes. It is all part of their program to beastialize humanity and convince us we are nothing more than cavemen with cell phones. The moon landing inspired a lot of people. The oligarchy don’t like that, so they have their goons and trolls making up stories to discredit Kennedy’s moon landing program.

            • Jamie Mac

              Hi Burt, just wondering, can you buy a telescope without magnification and if so what’s the point 🙂

            • Burt Reynolds

              Cheek! Yes. You can enhance via computer or by using special lens attachments. A bit like adding a chip you might say! Boffin!

            • Jamie Mac

              Sounds like efficient chips. Layman !!!!!! ha ha

          • Jamie Mac

            “Going to the moon is not that difficult”. I can testify to that, I have just come back from a shopping trip there, they sell lovely delicious cheese

            • Burt Reynolds

              Have you seen the people in Moonmart!? Weird.

            • Jamie Mac

              Easy there Burt, that’s where my wife shops .

            • Burt Reynolds

              There is no answer to that!

            • Burt Reynolds

              I am sure that is where she is ‘programmed’ to buy your phish and silicone chips if my memory servers me right.

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    Since the Watchtower’s ” Millions now living will never die” quote, it’s quite clear with all the lies the Watchtower has stood on and those believing them “Millions now living will most certainly die! Follow-the-leader, like dumb driven cows.

    • trudy

      Yes I understand Watchtower is speaking to evil spirit creatures these are the ones who meant to be anointed and in the heavens in 1914 .This is why its such a mess .

  • The Raven

    I know we’re cautioned against wanting the great day of Jehovah but man! I’m so wanting to see Him set things right. I believe many will make the right choice and be saved and Jehovah’s people will be the great crowd who will not die. I want to see this but even if I don’t, I know Jehovah’s promises and will are as good as done.

    • Eric

      What’s the difference between praying for Jehovah’s Kingdom to come… which is encouraged by Jesus in the model prayer… and looking forward to His Day?

  • Jamie Mac

    Hi Robert, enjoyed the article. There are so may still believing the lie. What would it take for them to be woken up. Perhaps the collapse of the $ and WIII. Even then some won’t believe.

    Robert, seems like the US is in a class of it’s own. Looks like they could be isolated in their decision to recognise Jerusalem as the Israeli capital. Do you think anything will come out of this apart from the normal flag burning and threats

    • Ken Rosenberg

      A District Overseer once said, “If the Society told me that this book is black instead of green, I would say, `Y’know, I could have sworn that it was green, but if the Society says it’s black, then it’s black!'”
      No amount of evidence can sway an indoctrinated person.

      • It’s true. I heard that kind of nonsense years ago. JW’s were proud of their loyalty to the WT, no matter how irrational. But, as it turns out the book is neither green nor black. It’s grey now. lol

      • Burt Reynolds

        Someone on site explained it as Stockholm syndrome and which is a good illustration. However there is an element of narcissism about it too inasmuch as the speaker gains dominance over the listener, elevating themselves to a position of authority through, oddly, subservience, in that they show thier faith is more holy or ‘instantly obedient’ against clear evidence to the contrary, than that of the congregants. This, they feel makes them holier than thou. The same sense of aliegence was amply demonstrated during the Great War when junior officers would proudly put themselves in harms way, even urging their men on in the charge ‘over the top’ when they themselves were mortally wounded, so that they would be remembered for their sacrifice of duty to the generals safely entrenched ten miles behind the lines. You’re right, no amount of evidence to the contrary and stupidity of the masters, will sway the indoctrinated person. It will take them to their death unless they stand up and say ‘no more’. Few will find the courage.

  • into the light

    Watch these 2 latest videos on JW Broadcast to see MOL in action (they are pretty short, too):

    Joel Dellinger: Cooperation Builds Unity
    Anthony Morris III: Jehovah Blesses Obedience

    Promoting unity over love and obedience to GB under the guise of being obedient to Jehovah. But is it really unity, or is it uniformity?

    Consider this:

    Christians expecting uniformity in their churches are notoriously self-centered in focus. The quest for uniformity in congregation is all about forcing people to submit to my expectations and preferences. Christian love, however, is all about laying down my expectations and preferences to do good to others, even (and especially) to those who do not meet my expectations or preferences. You cannot love a person whom you are expecting to conform to your image; that is, unless you are Jesus himself.

    Jesus has made the mission of the congregation extraordinarily clear. It is to cultivate, grow, and develop disciples – teaching people to obey all that he has commanded. Though every member has unique opportunities to carry out this mission – every member must be focused on carrying it out. What this means is that the outlook of every member of the church must be outward.
    By contrast, the drive toward uniformity looks inward. It is not concerned about seeing people bow down to Jesus – but about bowing down to us; not becoming like him, but becoming like us. The call of Christ to make disciples propels the congregation outward and forces every member to look, not to ourselves, but to Christ as the ultimate pattern for our lives and ministries. We are the students, after all, not the Teacher.

    James 1:22-25

    • Burt Reynolds

      I watched the talk you quoted by Antony Morris 111 ( there are actually three of them!), and it seemed to me not only a talk that he did not believe himself, but a veiled threat. And to say that the faithful slave can do no wrong because they say they can do no wrong, ‘it’s not something you can blame the faithful slave of being…(dogmatic)’, is just an affront. It is certainly not uniformity, but neither is it unity, but control, a shifting of themselves from blame. ‘We are not guilty, Jehovah is blessing us…’, or in other words, anything that seemingly goes wrong is the will of Jehovah. It brings to the fore, the scripture, Mathew 7:22 ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name…’ They make the claim that the discreet slave is the composite governing body, therefore they must be right, must be blessed and that we should not believe otherwise or question it. They are guided by Jehovah. Well, if his lacadaisical tired approach; his bored and weary repitiore of being under Jehovah’s blessing is an illustration of insight into the love of Jehovah, then this above all else, makes him a liar. One can actually see the conflict of conscience in his face.

      • into the light

        During the 8 min he didn’t say anything that would explain his position and his half-assed arguments about decrees are unconvincing. The whole thing is based on a false belief that there was a 1st century GB. How is “it’s true ’cause we say so” attitude not being dogmatic?
        Also, like the talk by Joel Dellinger, this one is twisting the theme scripture as well because in it Jesus told Peter to feed his little sheep, not rule over them or give them commands. And as far as i am concerned, Jesus gave this command to Peter, and A. Morris III is no Peter.

        • e.v.g

          Interestingly peter saw jesus in person, so he could teach all the things that jesus said. The true fds will teach that jesus is ruling during that time and they will shine as the sun, similar to the apostles when they could perform miracles. Why these men are saying that they are equal to the apostles?

          • Burt Reynolds

            It appears that the governing body do think they are like the apostles. Like corrupt politicians they award themselves merit and titles and in the case of some, medals and honours and demand the worship of the populace. The governing body have added dreams of grandure to the list.

            • e.v.g

              I think some of them are strayed, all has to do with jesus presence. Someone here was questioning about the message of the apostles about if someone in the first century was writing someting regarding if jesus were ruling at that time. Jesus presence is unique and full of prophecies ready to be accomplished, no matter how many things the apostates said in the past. Jesus presence is the most importang thing for the anointed.

          • into the light

            Who really is the FDS? Notice that this question asks who really is the slave. It implies that there are more of them, but one really is the slave. The true FDS will be recognized as such by master upon his return. That slave is both faithful and discrete. Until that time we also have to put up with evil slave. Please notice how AM III refers to GB as faithful slave in the video. Not faithful and discrete but only faithful. And he is kinda right too, because what they are doing is far from discrete. The true slave knows what he needs to do and does it faithfully and discretely, without boasting and assuming control over master’s belongings prematurely.

            • e.v.g

              I know there are also faithful people among JW’s but there are too some trolls inside the org. from high to low levels, giving just an appareance. These men are like housekeepers or stewards in God’s house, chosen by holy spirit? That’s for sure, Jesus allowed satan to insert false slaves among them. How or when? We don’t know.

            • into the light

              As Christians we know that those things need to occur in order that the quality of our faith may be tested and so we can get stronger. We need to encourage and strengthen each other with scriptures. We don’t know the motives of those trolls or what’s in their hearts, and we don’t need to. What’s important for us is Christ and his word. If we cultivate the spirit of Christ in ourselves then it will be counted as righteousness to us. Let the trolls and evil slave do what they need to in order that Christ might fulfill what Father tasked him to do.

    • Burt Reynolds

      I watched the talk by John Dillinger that you recommended. The watchtower keep mentioning that there may be bizarre instruction coming from them in due course and that this should not be questioned. It’s as though they are planning something. As they appear to have little if any spiritual guidance at this time, one can only assume that it is self serving somehow. I wonder what tragedy is to befall the watchtower again at the behest of these people. Other than that, our friend seemed to be cloning some of the facial contortions and verbal expressions of Mr. Lett. The whole thing is becoming surreal. I think they made a spelling error in the title of the talk too. Is it not supposed to read ‘Corporation builds unity?’

      • I watched it too. It is strange. Dillinger said you might receive instructions that don’t make any sense.

        Makes one wonder what that might be. Drink this purple kool aide?

        • Burt Reynolds

          True. It’s difficult to think of what the watchtower could say now that would make sense, so maybe they are trying to be kind!

        • into the light

          From w13 11/15 p.20

          In par. 17 it states this:

          At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

          This is in relation with attack by Assyrian. But since Assyrian (or northerner) is not on the scene yet, it means that there is something going on behind the curtain (probably the pedogate thing?) which needs to be seen by R&F as an attack on god’s people and the fulfillment of prophecy in order for them to assume complete control. And this constant drumming about loyalty to GB and unity is conditioning the gullible into believing them.

          • Burt Reynolds

            There certainly appears to be a hidden agenda. I wonder what it may be. Someone, I think it was our Alien, suggested that the governing body may be set to take the money and run. It wouldn’t surprise me but I think they love the power more, hence the coming judgement. Can’t wait!

            • a watcher

              I think it’s more likely that what is happening in Russia right now will happen worldwide: the governments will ban JW’s and confiscate their money and real estate.

            • The GB couldn’t do that. They are not the legal keepers of the treasury. They signed all that over to the nameless, faceless board of directors of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society about 25 years ago.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Probably just claiming ‘expenses’ then!

        • Rev Zone

          Lol .no kidding. Maybe it’s as simple as saying we’re all Mason’s now

      • into the light

        Speaking of bizarre, the scripture used in title (Luke 2:41) is completely unrelated to anything in the video and is not mentioned even once. But what’s interesting is the cross reference for that scripture in the NWT. Or maybe I’m reading into it too much?

        • Burt Reynolds

          You’re right. However, I didn’t look the scripture up, but I have now, in both references. I was pretty put out by his talk but the only reference Luke 2:41 may have to the talk was in my mind, that Jesus went to the temple? The reference implied that if Jesus went to the temple for instruction, then so we should we take instruction from the watchtower temple?! ?!?!?!?! I think though that the message was just a repitition of the exhortation to stay close to the governing body as infallible uninfallible leaders. They seem to be becoming rather desperate in their talks of late. I find it quiet unsettling…it’s rather creepy!

  • zakdude1000

    2 Thessalonians 2:7 speaks of one who was acting as a restraint to the man of lawlessness. The Man of Lawlessness was supposed to appear straight after the restraint was out of the way. Who was this “Restraint” for 2000 years until the Governing Body whom you accuse of being the MOL appeared?

    • Burt Reynolds

      I believe that these are those who, knowing the truth of the scriptures, act as a restraint in holding back the full effects of the growing corruption within the watchtower. If you key in the words ‘restraint’ and ‘man of lawlessness’ into the find box below, you should get the appropriate articles discussing these issues that have been written beforehand.

      • zakdude1000

        Theres no backing from the scriptures provided for that theory i’m afraid.

        • Burt Reynolds

          Perhaps not then if you say so, unless you allow ‘let the reader use discernment’ as a guide to understanding the bible. 2Thess 2, describes the following: that the one who restrains is ‘one’ who holds back the emergence of the antichrist. However, the man of lawlessness was not revealed by Paul, possibly for the very reason that were he to do so, then in our day, to which the prophesy applies, the man of lawnessness would be able to identify and destroy the restraint, as Satan tried to do with Christ, before Jehovah’s appointed time. Jehovah will dictate the time of that revealing and thus the restraint will be revealed ‘at the proper time’. The man of lawnessness is already at work by the time the restraint is revealed, and when the restraint is removed, then the antichrist is revealed.

          So in many respects, there is indeed biblical evidence in that chapter should you choose to read it. The Thessalonians are said to have known who the restraint was in that day. Some argue that this is why Paul does not mention it specifically and the theorising on the subject includes the Holy Spirit being the restraint, right through to the preaching work itself. However, it may also be that the Holy Spirit is aiding those close to the man of lawlessness, in blocking the way for the man of lawlessness.

          However, as you are sure that there is no evidence or insight that can inform those seeking knowledge on this subject, perhaps you would like to share your knowledge on the matter as it appears you must know. I’m sure we would all like to be certain, so don’t hold back please. We have much to learn.

          • zakdude1000

            Where does it say the restraint is revealed? Only a revealing of the Man of Lawlessness was mentioned in the chapter.
            There’s lots of “Mays” in that.

            The reader using discernment was applicable to a specific sign of the disgusting thing within that specific prophecy. The rules of Biblical interpretation come from 3 scriptures: Genesis 40:8, 2 Timothy 3:16,17 and 1 Corinthians 4:6

            1) Interpretations belong to God
            2) All Scripture is inspired of God (Gods word)
            3) Do not go beyond the things written.

            Aka, Gods word interprets itself. For example, what do the waters of Revelation 17:1 mean? Following the Rule, let gods word interpret itself, the answer is found in verse 15 of the same chapter. So for anything that you propose as an explanation, it MUST be backed up by another scripture.

            • Rev Zone

              Where does it say , this information is so critical it’s a life-saving beacon for us? There isn’t. The point of the restraint is to keep total chaos from ruling

            • Burt Reynolds

              I gave you the chapter to read at Thessalonians. You will find the reference to the restraint there and which will satiate your provocative attitude if not your humility. Also you have the answer from Robert as well, and which is more explanatory than mine and you also have his articles, and which I referenced for you. Even though you may not agree with the offered explanation, it is nonetheless, one I agree with. It does not in any event, form a necessary cornerstone of faith if one believes it or not. For me, it is a consideration. If we all had an irrifutable understanding of the bible, we would be perfect. Maybe you are, but you are searching for something that cannot be found, yet. Your argument says more about you than it does the scriptures.

              It appears that your agenda is just one of provocation, not rational debate; one of pontification, not teaching; one of haughty self righteousness, and in setting your own rules for compliance from what appears to be an elementary understanding of the scriptures that is even worse than mine. I must admit that you have given me new hope. I’m not going to be told by a ‘Dude’ (whatever life form a ‘dude’ might represent in the cesspit of iniquity that passes for religion in this day), what I ‘MUST’ do in the sanctimonious terms you choose to use to justify a scripture. Jehovah only needs to say it once and that is good enough. If that does not satisfy you, then poor you. I’m afraid you have caught me on a bad day but hope you will excuse me If I just tell you go boil your head, ‘dude’. I think I have rather done the unforgivable, and lost my temper with you. I shall go to bed with a large gin and tonic and drink your health.

            • zakdude1000

              Hey, I did not mean to offend you. I am sorry. The one issue with the Internet is tone is always lost, I didn’t mean any of it to come across provocatively.

              Seen as 2 Thessalonians 2 is the Chapter the restraint comes from (the scripture in question), and it does not provide the answer, I was just asking for a specific scripture that backs up the theory for the answer given here. The article wrote on the question on here also provides no references. All I’m doing is critically examining this whole thing. Because right now this explanation feels square peg round hole.

              (zak)dude was just a name I made as a kid btw, and I’m from Yorkshire so it doesn’t sound nearly half as Corny a word to say in my dialect as it does with its American connotations.

              Anyway, I just want the explanation to come from the bible and not from men, so if the explanations come with no scriptures for reference I can’t accept as the proper answer. The interpretation of God’s word belongs to God, and he speaks through the bible, it explains itself.

              Again, I am sorry that I made you lose your Temper. It was not my intent. I am just merely questioning this explanation. And I only capitalised the words because this typeing interface doesn’t allow italics, it wasn’t meant to convey it in the self righteous way in which it was understood. I am sorry.

            • Rev Zone

              Why can’t you look at the restraint, as simple as the the four Angels acting as a restraint against the Four Winds of Jehovah’s punishment of Destruction? It’s as I said these are rules that are in play at the moment… what more do you need to know than that there is a restraint in place presently? It’s not that deep of a thing, why drive yourself mad with something so insignificant that you are powerless act against or act for?

            • Burt Reynolds

              Well fine. I’m sorry too for being brusque. I am humbled by your reply. it is right to question, but not to the point of exasperation. You say it yourself, let the bible speak for itself. Clearly as pointed out by Beverly, you have a knowledge of scripture and so you should take your own advice to think about what is being told you and give it the consideration it deserves. Your reading of the bible has clearly led you to understand and grasp the apparant contradictions or alternative thinking that seem to arise. I say ‘seem to arise’ because throughout the apparant contradictions of the bible there is a theme that points quite clearly to the narrow pathway that runs through it. Within that pathway, is left room for faith and reasoning. The bible rarely gives direct advice and what advice it does give, gains reason pro-rata with faith and love.

              In my opinion, it does not matter a fig at this point in time, who the man of lawnessness is, or who or what, binds him at this time. It’s nice to have thoughts to consider as it enhances both faith and the love if righteousness, but you or I do not have to own the voice of man, just as much as we cannot hope to gain a true understanding of the bible through men, or women, like ourselves. Prayer will give us that to the degree that Jehovah bestows it upon us. The great tribulation and an even greater understanding of the scripture is coming to us. We do not go to it. We prepare ourselves for it. The sensible course of action, rather than arguing the toss over details we cannot be certain of and neither you or I know for sure, is to concentrate on the aspects that we are shown plainly. Love, faith, understanding of the message. The right heart condition. If it were more than that, then what is to become of those who seek Jehovah, but are unable to find someone to teach them, or those who are sincere, but are misled? Some do not even have a hope to cling to, let alone a knowledge that there is such a thing as a man of lawlessness. You may never choose to accept any consideration over the man of lawlessness, or who the restraint may be. Fine. That is your perogative. But there is a whole lot more that you can learn here that will enhance and help order your knowledge of the bible, and in time, you may have a solution to the question of restraint that will open the eyes of all here, just as you have taught me an added layer of patience. Thank you for that.

    • Beverly kenyon

      Only the Holy Spirit is strong & powerful enough to act as a restraint for the past two thousand years.

      • zakdude1000

        Cool theory. Does it come with any Scriptural backing?

        • Beverly kenyon

          Yes, but I’m on the hop now, on the go, so will reply later. Sorry about that.

    • There are only two periods of time to consider. The first century and the past century+, or the time immediately before the return of Christ. The 1800 years in between are not relevant because there was no discernible Christian congregation. Paul spoke of himself as though he were living at the time of Christ’s return, when he said “we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord…” So, when he spoke of the restraint getting to be out of the way that does not mean there was a man of lawlessness and a restraint over the span of 2,000 years. It merely means that with the restoration of Christianity that there would be an embedded evil, a man of lawlessness, and also a restraining factor up until the return of Christ.

      Jesus himself spoke of a faithful slave and an evil slave that would exist in the same “house” up until the master comes. No doubt the faithful slave acts as a restraint to the evil slave, at least for a time.

      • zakdude1000

        When he said “We the living”… was in 1 Thessalonians 4 talking about the resurrection though, and last time i checked none of the Anointed were Resurrected in the time of its writing (verses 13-18). So we the living seems more of a “Anointed ones alive at that time”

        If there was a Man of Lawlessness back then, then surely he would have appeared before the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70.c.e. Who was the Restraint and who was the Man of Lawlessness in this first fulfillment (concerning the time from 33 c.e-70c.e)? and why is there no recorded fulfillment of it (or is there)?

        The opening of 2 Thess 2 seems to point to it being the presence in the time of the end (hence the mention of their being gathered to him, this not happening back then in that time, but being in the end times). But then also the restraint is said to be “He who is right now” (In their time). So it seems like its a single Prophecy linking their time to the presence of the last days. Or have i misunderstood what you’re saying?

        • Paul included himself as among “we the living” who survive to the parousia. That is the point. Paul was projecting himself as being on hand when Christ returns.

          In reality, there wasn’t a man of lawlessness in the 1st century. The man of lawlessness creates a false parousia prior to the actual presence of Christ. There is no evidence that anyone in the first century was actually proclaiming that the presence had begun, although there were a couple of apostates who were saying the resurrection had already begun, which is what Paul said would occur during the presence of Christ. Interestingly, the WT teaches that the first resurrection has already begun. Go figure.

          • zakdude1000

            “There is no evidence that anyone in the first century was actually proclaiming that the presence had begun”

            Are you sure about that? There is evidence within the letter itself pointing to this conclusion. Firstly, you have to remember these were specific letters dealing with issues the specific congregation was dealing with at that time, so the information within was aimed specifically at issues the Congregation in Thessalonica was having. IN Chapter 2 and Verse 2, tells them not to be shaken if there are any inspired expressions, verbal messages or letters appearing to be from them stating the day of Jehovah was there. The message appearing to be from them (aka from Paul or the Apostles) is an oddly specific detail

            Then in Chapter 3 verse 17 Paul signs the letter off in a really odd way:

            “Here is my greeting, Paul’s, in my own hand,+ which is a sign in every letter; this is the way I write.”

            He is here confirming that it is him, showing his signature. The need to do this seems to implicate that the congregation in Thessalonica had been getting false letters claiming to be from Paul saying that the day of Jehovah was here. This is what he is referencing in verse 7 of chapter 2, this is the mystery of the lawlessness already at work as evidenced by the false letters and messages. He reaffirms to stick to what they had been taught and from official messages and letters from them in verse 15. Paul would not be giving them this advice not to be shaken from their reasoning if it was not already an issue in the congregation.

            verse 2 is not a specific sign of the man of lawlessness, it is the backdrop for why he is writing to them in the first place. It is not a blanket statement for all time, he wasn’t saying if anyone ever says this ever. He is just saying (from verse 3) that at the present time they were living to ignore those messages, because several other events that havn’t happened have to precede Jehovah’s day before messages like that could be considered right. Verse 4, and 8-12 are describing what the man of lawlessness is like. The chapter doesn’t say anything specifically of MOL creating a false parousia, those details would be linked with the present issue the cong was facing, the “mystery of the lawlessness already at work”.

            • Yes, I am sure there is no evidence that anyone was promoting a false parousia in the 1st century. Paul was placing himself into the future and speaking from that standpoint. That’s how it works.

            • zakdude1000

              What about the evidence within the letter itself? You can’t just ignore context, this was a letter first and foremost to the congregation in Thessalonica because of issues they had. You can’t ignore those details because (as mentioned above) it changes the meaning of what he’s saying.

              This is a similar scenario as to 1 Corinthians 14:34 with the women keeping silent. Contextual information tells us that the custom in that part of the world was people would interrupt the speaker to ask questions, and specifically in this congregation the Christian women seemed to be doing the same at public meetings where unbelievers would also be, so Paul told them to keep silent and ask their husbands later at home. It wasn’t a blanket statement.

              So you can’t ignore the evidence within the letter itself. Paul specifically mentioning false letters appearing to be from them and then signing his letter off in a more specific way than usual to emphasise its him and not another false letter, telling them to make sure verbal messages and letters were from them and to only accept those. Verse 2 is not him projecting himself forward, it’s specific council for the specific issue the congregation was facing. You can’t ignore this information.

            • Consider this: In Revelation Jesus sent letters to seven congregations. Those congregations actually existed in the 1st century. For example, Paul also wrote a letter to the Ephesians. But the book of Revelation is to reveal the things to come in the Lord’s day –long after those congregations ceased to exist. It is the same with the apostle’s letter to the Thessalonians. In the first chapter Paul foretold the judgment that will come upon the ungodly at the hands of Jesus Christ, which, of course, is a future event even from our standpoint. Then in the second chapter Paul said: “However, brothers, concerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him…”

              So, the context is the return and presence of Jesus Christ. Paul spoke of it, as he did in his letter to the Corinthians, as if he and all those whom he called “brothers” would be on hand. Of course, they will via the first resurrection. But that is not the way Paul expressed it. He was speaking to those who would actually be living prior to the coming of Christ. They would be the ones who would come under the deluding influence of the man of lawlessness.

            • zakdude1000

              I do get what you’re saying here. The thing was with Revelation though, John specifically said that he had been taken to the Lords day via a vision (Revelation 1:10) and contained within was general information for all of the congregations (in the district of Asia). Near the beginning there was congregation specific materials, but as a whole it was general, and John himself says that he came to be in Lords day, so it was just general information that they wouldn’t be seeing as humans etc. I get that. It was the equivalent of a “Letter to all congregations” containing general new information from this awesome vision. All cool stuff, was awesome. But the information was for everyone.

              However, the individual letters to individual congregations were sent for a certain purpose, not just to impart general information. So the already quoted 1 Thessalonians 4:15-

              “15 For this is what we tell YOU by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep [in death]”

              This served a purpose to the congregation, and the purpose was as verse 13 and 18 puts it

              “13 Moreover, brothers, we do not want YOU to be ignorant concerning those who are sleeping [in death]; that YOU may not sorrow just as the rest also do who have no hope”

              “18 Consequently keep comforting one another with these words.”

              It was for comfort. That’s the primary focus of this information. Furthermore, It wasn’t in the form of a vision or anything, so the “we” wasn’t quite the same sense as Revelation 1:10, the context seems to be more like a “We as in the anointed that are alive at that time”. And giving the general resurrection hope to benefit those then, along with some contextual information around it for them.

              The same applies to the congregation later when he writes to them, the information in 2 Thessalonians was to Benefit them and their problems in some way. If you break the information down in 2 Thessalonians 2 and number them in chronological order (purely just for me explaining it here) you have the following event chain.

              1) What is acting as a restraint gets out of the way
              2) Apostasy comes
              3) Man of Lawlessness gets revealed.
              4) The Presence of our Lord/ being gathered/ Jehovahs Day/ manifestation where MOL done away with (unsure if the last one is seperate #5 or if it’s bundled with the other 3)

              But anyway, putting this in the earlier context, this was aimed at the Thessalonians with a purpose. The implication from the information previously mentioned in other comments was that the Thessalonians specifically had been receiving false messages concerning the presence, the gathering, jehovahs day, with it being already upon them. In verse 1+2 of Thessalonians all Paul was basically saying was, “Those letters/ verbal messages/ inspired expressions you have been getting concerning the presence saying that event #4 is upon us? Yeah, don’t listen to them, because event #4 can’t be upon us because first events 1-3 have to happen.”

              He wasn’t saying that before MOL is revealed they would be shouting about the presence being upon them, those things mentioned in verse 2 were mentioned with reference to the situation and confusion the congregation was then facing, them Evidently being “shaken from their reasoning”. This was the whole purpose of Paul writing to them. Then after imparting to them the information and reasons as to why event #4 can’t be upon them (other stuff has yet to happen), he signs the letter off in an unusual way, but a way emphasising/ confirming to them that this is a letter from him and that it can be trusted, unlike those other false bits of information they had been getting. It was all data relevant to helping them in their present situation. Sure lots of the information is useful to know for us, but primarily it was to help them back then. Revelation was mainly general new information but the specific letters to congregations was for specific issues and reasons the congs were having at those times

              So what’s your thoughts on this?

            • You are not reasonable. You seem to have to have it spelled out for you. John was told that he came to be in the Lord’s day by inspiration, so you accept that. Paul, being no less inspired than John, talks about the fiery day if the Lord and being gathered to Christ during his presence, but because he does not say he was transported to the Lord’s day you can’t make the connection. I don’t have any more to say.

            • zakdude1000

              Yeah because of the context, one was the relaying of general new information, whereas the accounts of Paul were aimed at tackling specific issues the congregations needed help with. There is a difference between talking about something in general to draw out specific lessons/ information to help someone in the present and talking about a very specific vision you received. Them both being inspired is mute to the point, the entire bible is inspired.

              I’m not trying to be disrespectful with the following, but just a general question everyone here (myself included) should always be asking; Are you going into study with a view to learning truth or are you just trying to make scripture fit pre-existing biasses? It’s a very delicate thing and easily done by anyone. Be very careful. There’s very major context surrounding 2 Thessalonians you seem to be ignoring/ disacknowledging, and if the account can’t be considered in light of all the facts then the explanation of the account will be off somewhat. We shouldn’t be afraid to adjust our views. Have a nice day 🙂

            • Warren Gee

              How does a person know that Paul was inspired?

            • Burt Reynolds

              His experience as related in the bible would appear to suggest that. If Christ spoke to me and gave me such insight that is related in Paul’s writings, I would certainly feel annointed myself. I think the writings of Paul reflect the spirit. Why do you think they do not?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              How does a person know that Paul was inspired because that’s what the Bible indicates unless of course you don’t believe what the Bible tells you.

              There was a disciple named An·a·niʹas in Damascus, and the Lord said to him in a vision: “An·a·niʹas!” He said: “Here I am, Lord.” The Lord said to him: “Get up, go to the street called Straight, and look for a man named Saul, from Tarsus, at the house of Judas. For look! he is praying, and in a vision he has seen a man named An·a·niʹas come in and lay his hands on him so that he may recover sight.” But An·a·niʹas answered: “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, about all the harm he did to your holy ones in Jerusalem. And here he has authority from the chief priests to arrest* all those calling on your name. But the Lord said to him: “Go! because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel. For I will show him plainly how many things he must suffer for my name.”

              Read more> Saul on the way to Damascus (1-9)
              Ananias sent to help Saul (10-19a)
              Saul preaches about Jesus in Damascus (19b-25)
              Saul visits Jerusalem (26-31)
              Peter heals Aeneas (32-35)
              Generous Dorcas resurrected (36-43)
              https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/acts/9/#v44009013

            • Warren Gee

              Do you suggest that a letter Paul was writing to some congregation that he had the effrontery to assume his words were scripture? The only scripture they had at that time was Tanahk and you and Paul are correct…they are very beneficial for teaching and reproving and setting things straight. I’m glad you agree.

            • Warren Gee

              2 Timothy 1:15Amplified Bible (AMP)
              15 You are aware of the fact that all who are in [the province of] Asia turned away and deserted me, Phygelus and Hermogenes among them.
              “‘I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. – Revelation 2:2

              Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” – 1 Corinthians 8:4
              Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do. – 1 Corinthians 8:8
              But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. – Revelation 2:20

            • Burt Reynolds

              Its a good scripture, but you don’t say what your point is?

            • Warren Gee

              He seems to have written Timothy and suggest that the churches in Asia have rejected him. Then Jesus says in Revelation that the church at Ephesus (in Asia) did well to reject the apostle who was really not an apostle.

            • The Raven

              There is no evidence that Christ was speaking of Paul. Here is an account from an enemy of just how much success Paul had in turning away people from idolatry:

              Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
              Moreover, ye see and hear,…. Demetrius appeals to their senses of seeing and hearing; they saw what was done in their own city, and they had heard how things were elsewhere; they might believe what they saw with their eyes, and they had reason to depend upon the report which was brought to their ears:
              that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people; by “all Asia” is meant Ionia, that part of Asia, of which Ephesus was the metropolis; from whence great multitudes came to Ephesus, and heard Paul in the school of Tyrannus, Acts 19:10 so that not only many in the city of Ephesus, but even in almost every city and town of Asia, had heard and received the Gospel preached by Paul; of whom Demetrius speaks very contemptibly, as if he was a worthless vagabond fellow, who had the art of persuading and deluding people; he prevailed upon them to believe in Christ whom he preached, and turned away much people from the worshipping of idols, to the living God:

              saying, that they be no gods which are made with hands; such as was their Diana, and the images of her, which these workmen made; and consequently if his doctrine prevailed, as it had much already, their trade would be worth nothing, and their livelihood be lost, which was the grand thing they had in view; for one would think they could never believe themselves, that the images they made were really gods; but whether they did or not, certain it is, that the apostle’s doctrine was true, that such could not be gods, and which agrees both with reason and revelation.

              Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary
              19:21-31 Persons who came from afar to pay their devotions at the temple of Ephesus, bought little silver shrines, or models of the temple, to carry home with them. See how craftsmen make advantage to themselves of people’s superstition, and serve their worldly ends by it. Men are jealous for that by which they get their wealth; and many set themselves against the gospel of Christ, because it calls men from all unlawful crafts, however much wealth is to be gotten by them. There are persons who will stickle for what is most grossly absurd, unreasonable, and false; as this, that those are gods which are made with hands, if it has but worldly interest on its side. The whole city was full of confusion, the common and natural effect of zeal for false religion. Zeal for the honour of Christ, and love to the brethren, encourage zealous believers to venture into danger. Friends will often be raised up among those who are strangers to true religion, but have observed the honest and consistent behaviour of Christians.

              http://biblehub.com/commentaries/acts/19-26.htm

            • Warren Gee

              He teaches the servants of Jesus to eat foods sacrificed to idols but Jesus warned the church that they tolerated Jezebel who taught that it was ok to eat food sacrificed to idols. Jesus seems to disagree with Paul quite a bit.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Interesting point. I’ll read along with your thoughts.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              One must remember that Jehovah created food and Satan created the Jezebel.

            • Warren Gee

              Jesus clearly rebukes the teaching that it is fine to eat foods sacrificed to idols. Believe him not the apostle who was not an apostle. Saul never knew Jesus and taught contrary to him. Jesus was turning the people back to the Words of YHWH as foretold in Deuteronomy 18:18. But just as Jesus foretold there would be ones who claimed to see him in the wilderness, he said don’t believe it. Since “apostle” Paul never knew Jesus he believed the wilderness Jesus on the road to Damascus.

            • The Raven

              And Paul taught what Christ did and sacrificed his life for him as well. How’s that for an apostle who wasn’t? This is ridiculous. It’s as stupid as trying to take away from the word of God or adding to it!

            • The Raven

              Why don’t we look at the entire chapter here? It appears this is not so much about “food” as it is about knowledge concerning the truth. There isn’t anything wrong with eating whatever we wish there is something wrong with it when it can stumble others who are not as strong in the faith.

              1 Cor 8: 1-13
              8 Now concerning food offered to idols:+ We know we all have knowledge.+ Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.+ 2 If anyone thinks he knows something, he does not yet know it as he should know it. 3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by him.
              4 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing+ in the world and that there is no God but one.+ 5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth,+ just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God,+ the Father,+ from whom all things are and we for him;+ and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are+ and we through him.
              7 However, not all have this knowledge.+ But some, because of their former association with the idol, eat food as something sacrificed to an idol,+ and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.+ 8 But food will not bring us nearer to God;+ we are no worse off if we do not eat, nor better off if we eat.+ 9 But keep watching that your right to choose does not somehow become a stumbling block to those who are weak.+ 10 For if anyone should see you who have knowledge having a meal in an idol temple, will not the conscience of that one who is weak be emboldened to the point of eating food offered to idols? 11 So by your knowledge the man who is weak is being ruined, your brother for whose sake Christ died.+ 12 When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience,+ you are sinning against Christ. 13 That is why if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat at all, so that I will not make my brother stumble.+

              More to consider:

              1Timothy 4: 4-5
              4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
              5 for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

              1 Cor 10:24, 32, 33
              24 Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.
              32 Give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God,
              33 just as I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.

              Rom 14:14, 15, 21
              14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.
              15 For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died.
              21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.

            • Warren Gee

              So it seems you prefer the words of Saul the Pharisee over the words of the one who was sent to save you?

              “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. – Matthew 5:17
              I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. – Deuteronomy 18:18
              And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him. – Deuteronomy 18:19

              Now when you argue for “Apostle” Paul you don’t argue with me but with the words of YHWH. Jesus said he did not abolish the law. You should believe him. Trust the one sent for your salvation and not the phoney baloney Saul.

              Now when Paul perceived that one part were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, “Brothers, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees. It is with respect to the hope and the resurrection of the dead that I am on trial.” – Acts 23:6

              Notice he didn’t say he “was” a Pharisee.

            • The Raven

              So it seems that you doubt the Holy bible? You wish to pick and choose which were inspired and which were not? Everything Paul did was in accordance with what Jesus Christ taught. It also appears you’re not able to understand that because you cannot get past the fact that Christ chose him, yes, a Pharisee to take up His path to preach the good news of salvation. Does it also surprise you that he chose tax collectors? How about all those considered lowly, the dregs of society? Of course they were all Jews also. Got a problem with that?
              Christ did fulfill the law but that has nothing to do with who he chooses. If you cannot see that all scripture is inspired by Jehovah, including Pauls’s then there is no discussing this with you.
              Seriously…you doubt the bible….Hah!

            • Warren Gee

              How can you be sure Christ chose him with so many contradictory statements on his road to Damascus “Jesus” story. This bible you speak of was put together by Rome and they included what they wanted.

            • The Raven

              Oh so you do doubt the authenticity of the bible. You’re not going to get anywhere with that here. Discounting anything Paul had to say is also ridiculous given he was one of the most prominent writers of the new testament. The scripture is not contradictory.
              You haven’t proven jack here. My suggestion is you find a forum where folks are stupid enough to believe you and not the bible.

            • Warren Gee

              I disagree with Paul and unless I get banned I respectfully decline your suggestion. Thanks anyway.

            • The Raven

              Tough. You come here not only disparaging an apostle but unequivocally stating that the holy scriptures are baloney for incorporating Pauls work. . You have nothing to defend that position.

            • The Raven

              Yeah, look who’s preaching ” another gospel” , eh? I’ll say it again adding or removing any part of the bible has serious consequences. I trust Jehovah has kept it relatively intact down through the ages to give us the instruction we need to keep living. Don’t toy with this and lay traps for others.

            • Island Breeze

              Same clown, different name

            • The Raven

              This isn’t one of those “nation of Yahweh” idiots, is it? Robert’s bounced them out of here before. You’re probably more familiar with them than I am, Joseph.

            • Island Breeze

              They like to bounce in using different names.
              POW ….. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b5190c077026364b93638f1cb2b2800e8e38583874553b8df8a0dbbc33e23e21.gif RIGHT IN THE FACE !

            • The Raven

              Hahahaha!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              agreed….

            • The Raven

              I don’t know who that is but I see Robert just nailed him. I been talking to myself. Nevermind…😁

            • Good bye, Gee

            • The Raven

              The bible I speak of has been kept together regardless. Do you think Jehovah wouldn’t be able to do that? Even the stones would speak…

            • Warren Gee

              “There isn’t anything wrong with eating whatever we wish there is something wrong with it when it can stumble others who are not as strong in the faith.”

              So you are going to argue with the Creator and the one he sent forth? It is not my assertion that you shouldn’t eat any and everything your heart desires but Jesus’s own words say that that teaching is the teaching of Jezebel. But carry on…

            • The Raven

              You really are dense! If you can’t see that this isn’t about food you haven’t got any hope at all. But I don’t think that’s what you’re here for. Arguing against scripture isn’t going to go well for you.

            • Warren Gee

              And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles. – Acts 1:26

              Revelation 21
              14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hi Zak, it looks like you’ve already covered most of your question along with some input from others. It also looks like the Thessalonians already knew the identity of the Restrainer as Paul mentions that in v5 and then he goes on to say in v8 how the Lord, Jesus will kill him with the breath of his mouth which reminds me of Rev19:15.

              I also feel that this restraint could also work through believers in the eclessia as isn’t HS within. 1John 2:27. John14:16,17. Also the HS is always referred to in the masculine gender in the scriptures. It’s also interesting in v10 it talks about how he, the MOL will use ALL SORTS of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie….NIV translation and emphasis mine, then v11 goes on to say, that God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. NLT. So it’s not just ONE lie that will cause them to be deceived or deluded, it will be multiple lies! But of course the ‘MOTHER’ or I should say ‘FATHER of ALL lies was THE LIE. Genesis 3:4. That Lie way back in Eden was THE LIE!!

              So, soon the Restrainer, will step aside, taken out of the way for the MOL or Man of Sin to take control over mankind.

              You also mentioned in your other post about women and how they were to remain silent (good luck with that one, lol), yes, you were right as at the gathering of those early Christians, many were attempting to talk at once causing confusion and causing reason for concern amongst any new ones coming into the Christian gathering. Meleviti Vivlon-Beroean Pickets wrote a fantastic article on Baruq’s site under the title of ‘The Role of Women’ if you care to have a read of it. Brilliant!

              Btw, loving your posts as you know your way round the Bible.

            • zakdude1000

              That scripture came to mind for me too. Isaiah 11:4 also came to my mind, another similarly worded verse.

              I like the verse in 1 John 2:27, although verse 28 leaves it open to being shamed at his manifestation, and verse 16 and 17 in John 14 come as a result of observance of commandments (verse 15). These are good Verses. I would need to look at them more to see if they could come be connected with the restraint (in the morning perhaps) but defo Acts as a tool to those honesthearted ones. And that’s a very interesting connection, which part of the lie were you thinking, the straight up “you won’t die” as in serve this lifestyle that MOL (whomever they are) promotes and you’ll be fine or more the implicated lie of “God is holding back something good from you that you deserve” (verse 5)?

              Yeah I was just using it as an example of how if you read something without proper context of both the Chapter itself and the background to the book and location, how someone can easily draw out meaning that isn’t actually there. The name of it rings a bell… But I shall be sure to look it up 🙂 thankyou.

              And thankyou, I still have much to learn (I’m 19 lol). I defo need to work on my mannerisms on here, I always seem to come off confrontational but it’s never my intent I assure you. You have a good head of knowledge on you 🙂

            • Beverly kenyon

              Get out of town!! You’re only 19!! That’s amazing! Wow! I felt you were full of energy and passionate about what you were saying and asking and definitely knew what you were talking about but I wouldn’t have had you down as only 19! Well, you have a ‘old’ head on very shoulders. And you’re a Yorkshire man. My Yorkshire friend moved back there from Manchester where I’m from. There’s a fantastic guy who occasionally post’ on here whose username is Average Joe, AJ, he’s from Yorkshire. He’s a great guy is AJ. Love him to bits.

              The mother of ALL Lies is the one lie broken down into two, so you have lie one and lie two….the sly lie about God with holding and the barefaced straight up lie of, no, you won’t die, you’ll be fine, it’ll be alright go for it. THE LIE.

              And I agree when reading scripture, especially NT, you have bear in mind the setting of the time, culture, the history, the societal set up, so you have to do your homework and go digging for background info.

              At the moment I’m pondering on something a fabulous friend of mine said and it got me thinking on it. She said, it’s that white horse rider in Rev6 that’s the real danger, him and his ‘butter words’. And I say that as Rev6:2 where he appears is cross referenced to Psalm55 where King David’s enemy Ahithophel is described as having words as smooth as butter, but in his heart is war. He’s deadly! The parallel is very interesting.

              Hey Zak, I think the ‘dude’ bit in your username was the clue to your age. Lol. But it’s fabulous that you’re searching out God’s Word for yourself. And please don’t ‘boil your head’ very medieval, as you’re much too young for that! You’re a good kid as we say here in Manchester and you’re our kid!

            • zakdude1000

              Thankyou, your words are too kind 🙂 that’s the trick with us Yorkshire folk, we sound thick with our dialect, but once we set our minds on something, people are usually surprised with the results lol. Went past Manchester other day actually, currently in Wales.

              So if that’s the lie, and if it’s proposed on here that the GB is the MOL, when have they told people directly to disobey Jehovah? And that nothing bad will result from Doing so… The more I examine it the more I feel like this idea that MOL is the GB is just the wishful thinking of people like who wrote this article. Like they’re trying to get the bible to say what they want it to say rather than honest heartedly trying to find out what it really says. But yeah that’s a really good connective, the cross references in the reference edition only go as far as the false Christ’s and people arriving to mislead on the basis on jesus name, so that’s certainly a good extra cross reference.

              It’s definitely important, if you don’t know the context then you could end up believing anything anyone tells you about a certain verse.

              Which verse in particular in Psalm 55 is connected to a horse?or are you thinking just the War topic in general? I always thought the rider of the white horse was one of the good guys (Revelation 19:11)

              I’ll not go boiling My head don’t you worry XD if people wanna get abusive with their speech that’s up to them. And thankyou, it’s nice to come across someone friendly such as yourself 🙂

            • into the light

              Hi Zak, I think that there is plenty of proof that GB is wrong on number of things. One thing that qualifes them for MOL is that they have reduced Christ and inserted themselves in his place. Not completely yet, but it’s obvious that they are conditioning the JW to accept them as though they have been directly appointed by god. You just need to critically review WT studies for the past year in order to see for yourself. Just see how much importance is given to Jesus. They don’t even mention him as much. And that’s just scratching the surface. They are asking for loyalty to them and have prematurely proclaimed themselves to be the FDS. Isn’t that up to Jesus to decide upon his return? I hope that you don’t take it that they will literally tell people “disobey Jehovah”. That would be too easy. Remember that Satan, when he deceived Eve, packaged his lie in such way that it seemed as if he was telling the truth. He is the master of deception and poses as the angel of light in order to deceive.
              Now we sholdn’t judge the GB because of these things, that’s Jesus’ job, but we have to keep our eyes open.
              Paul reminds us in Heb. 13:7, 8 to 

              7 Remember those who are taking the lead among you, who have spoken the word of God to you, and as you contemplate how their conduct turns out, imitate their faith. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, and forever.

              If Jesus is same yesterday, today and forever, meaning he is the leader, why do we then need someone between us and him? Also notice that scripture says those “taking lead” are not to be obeyed unconditionally. We need to contemplate their conduct. If their conduct goes against Jesus command we don’t have to to imitate it. We submit to them only in things that glorify our God and his son. Satan has made a mess and it is increasingly harder to discern what’s what, but if you apply yourself to Jesus’ words and let his spirit lead you it will be easier to discern the lie from the truth. Open mind and lot of time spent in prayer to Jehovah will help you greatly. Remember that only Jehovah is the revealer of secrets and don’t let any man (or group of men) convince you that they know better.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hi Zak, it’s doesn’t cost nought to be friendly. And I agree, if people want to get ‘verbal’ with their speech, it’s up to them, leave them to it! Life really is too short for nonsense. Yeah, Yorkshire accent does sound ‘countryfied’ but there’s nothing thick about Yorkshire people and they’re super friendly with the best fish & chips and hopefully mushy peas and gravy to go with that or curry sauce. You can’t beat that for comfort food! Delish! But those extras might be a Manchester thing! Lol.

              RK has proved scripturally there is a MOL operating within the JW organisation and that is true, but I’ll go a step forward in believing that very same MOL is operating in every Christian organisation, some more obvious than others, literally in yer face! The MOL doesn’t even try to hide it and I’ll let you figure some of that out for yourself as you’re sharp. They’ve all been over reached by the MOL but I think RK is specifying the JW’s only and talking directly to that organisation alone from what I can make out but I might be wrong with that thought.

              I agree about context when reading bible scrips. Example, the other day someone posted Pslam 15:1 the other day when talking about the tabernacle or tent of God. But when you carefully read through the whole chapter which is quite short you see it’s talking about the kind of people, their characters, God wants as a citizen of Zion, a description of these people and then you get to really thinking on what you’re reading.

              Yeah, the rider of the white horse in Rev19:11 is the good guy, Jesus Christ himself, our redeemer, but the one in Rev 6 is an imposter. Jesus in Rev19:11 wears a diadem crown, a Kings crown, a crown of a sovereign, a person who is Royal by his nature and his position and the crown of the ‘Overcomer’ is a Stephanous crown, was a prize. This rider in Rev 6 is imitating Christ. He has a bow and this pictures evil designs and conquests. Pslm 7:12. 11:2 37:14. 46:9. 58:7. Jer49:35. Also, Christ is always symbolised as having a sword not a bow. Rev1. 19:15,21. God allows antichrist time to conquer the earth for a time through lies and deceit, he comes like a man of peace he has no bows, and hence the cross ref to Psalm 55 and his ‘butter words’ like King David’s enemy, the smooth talking which reminds me of that Bible script where it talks about even the Chosen, the Elect, could be mislead by this guy he’ll be that good! But another comparison between these two riders on white horses is that the true One, the Christ is coming with Wrath and who will be able to survive!! Rev6:16,17. You make your own mind up Zak, as to who is who?!

              You can also have a look at Daisy’s post on this bible scrip as she explains it really well and you can get another opinion from someone else. She posted on RK’s articles; who is the False Prophet of Revelation and the Desolation of Jerusalem by the Northerner. Daisy posted to Sharon, another poster on this blog, her opinions on the subject of these riders on white horses. Rev6. Rev19:11.

              Don’t laugh Zac, but on a lighter note, don’t know what sort of music you like but I’m really digging Stormzy’s ‘Blinded By Your Grace ‘ featuring, MNEK, been crying all day at that song as its about the grace of the Lord, Jesus Christ.

            • Island Breeze

              Good morning Bev,
              Got a little praise song you may enjoy!
              Put on some headphones, turn it up and get ready for goosebumps……💌

              https://youtu.be/huFra1mnIVE

            • Beverly kenyon

              Thank you Joseph. Looks like I’ll have to stock up on tissues for later as I’ll be listening to that when I’m cooking. I’ve a feeling the tears will be flowing again! Those songs make a person emotional. 💦💦💦😔 X

            • Beverly kenyon

              Absolutely Stunning Joseph!! The whole thing. Wish I was at that gathering. That girl can SING! Of course it had me crying. Beautiful! And that guy with his words.

              Rhyme, meter and song are the most powerful mnemonic devices and you feel it deep in your soul and it evokes all sorts of emotions and the brain is able to retrieve songs and we remember the lyrics.

    • Nigel

      Do you have any thoughts on who the “restrainer” might be?

  • JTK

    the WTO are on a railroad into a dead end and surely they know it. the 1914 teaching is becoming a burden that they cannot carry much longer so it seems to me that they have to act before they are revealed.
    so whats next, “more deception” Robert said, and surely that will be the case, but in what way?
    i suspect its going to be a bigger lie than 1914. no doubt they will use scripture to deliver it, and scripture does provide them with a clever escape.
    1 Thessalonians 4:16,17
    i know Jws do not teach a “rapture” but that is just a word used by people to describe what the bible says will happen to those alive when Christ returns, they will be took to Christ.
    so the MOL could do a disappearing act leaving the sheep with the message that they have been taken to Christ as per scripture.
    That of course could cause some problems with those who were expecting to go also but for the majority especially the other sheep it would seem scripturally authentic. In reality they have been abandoned to the onslaught of the world and the collapse of their Tower

  • Sharon

    you no what either im crazy,maybe not comprehending things properlly,you brothers and sisters can let me know,that i am assured of.read this article,heck read just the last 3 or 4 articles.And please tell me how Jehovahs Witnesses can be the one true religion on the planet.This is nuts,they no more have any truth in them,than do catholics.and dont give me this,oh who taught you gods name,who showed you that all your favorite celebrations have pagan origins.now im reading their going to deny Jeus when he returns.WAKE UP PEOPLE.Jehovah certainly has a great refing work to do indeed.

    • Ed

      I don’t consider the truth a religion, I always looked at it as a way of life. But you slightly contradict yourself by saying that the Catholics don’t having anymore truth then the JW’s and then tell us the Jehovah has a great refining work to do. We all know this…..relax and take a breath.

      • Sharon

        oh it is a religion ed,but also a huge corporation,bigger than any realize.they have ruined so many lives,and hurt so many people.i live in a small town,and see my sister almost everyday,from a distance of course.i would do anything just to talk and hug her,and still as i write this the tears are bouncing off my keyboard.i cant put into words the hurt in my heart after 10yrs out

        • Burt Reynolds

          Bear up. It will be resolved. No one can take away the hurt, but jehovah promises that it will be resolved, and how ever that may be, the former things will not be brought to mind.

        • KB

          It’s interesting how some see it for what it is and others let it control their lives. The organization is alway preaching to be loyal to Jehovah by shunning disfellowshipped family members. It’s almost weakly you hear this at the meetings. If you hear a lie repeatedly you will believe it is truth. That is what the organization is doing. Your sister is only doing what she believes is right in her heart. She is being loyal to Jehovah. IMO Jehovah is sad to see one treated this way. He doesn’t want to break up families but Satan sure does. That is who is pulling the strings at Watchtower anyway. Until it’s time for Jehovah to do away with the Watchtower the JWs will remain under their demonic control. Try to find some peace somehow until then. If you look at the JW religion, it fits the Bible’s teaching to a tee, if you look at it from the way Robert has explained it from the scriptures. The organization has everything so messed from prophecy onward that I feel more confident that ever that I’m right where I need to be.

        • Ed

          In due time your sister will see it for what it is and you’ll be there to help navigate her through the crud. No more tears after that.

    • Burt Reynolds

      If you are interested in this question, then Robert has written a great deal about it. Why not find it in the search box below? People do not make a truth and neither do they make a ‘true’ religion in the sense that they are adherent’s to truth, not makers of it. The truth belongs to Jehovah, as does the temple. In much the same way, a landlord owns a home. He rents the safety and tenure of that home to people. The fact that they may abuse the contract of tenure, does not make the home any less his, does it? Likewise the watchtower. They assume that they own the truth, that they can interpret and define it and now, actually own the house the rules apply to, but in fact, they have made themselves no more than squatters. That does not make them owners does it and the same applies to Christendom. Unless we all divest ourselves of any pretence to ownership of the truth, and instead, just do as it says as recipients of truth, we will bring upon ourselves the judgement as liars. Do not waste your time in comparisons or in equalities because they are endless. The greatest commandment is love, and if we give that due consideration in the depth of knowledge from the bible, we see why that is so. 1Corinthians 13:7. ‘Love bears all things, hopes all things, believes all things, endures all things. Love never fails’. If you read from the beginning, you see that even if you have faith and knowledge, but do not have love, you, we, are no more than a clanging symbol. So if you are looking for the basis of salvation, then here it is at Corinthians.

      • Sharon

        i agree 100% burt,after wasting over 50yrs of my life in this organization,all im really asking is why is it even after we see the truth about the truth we still somehow in the back of our minds still feel Jehovah is still using this organization,the only thing i can come up with is how deep this mind control is.

        • Burt Reynolds

          Sometimes it is easy to overlook a simple explanation or expect the answer to be complex and far reaching. Yes, I find it a leap of faith to assume that Jehovah uses the watchtower, at times, but it appears in context with the bible and the previous examples given us in the bible. We also have the understanding that Jehovah does not change. If Jehovah does not tolerate wrongdoing, then why is/was Satan allowed into his kingdom to speak directly with Jehovah, and appears to my understanding to have resided in heaven. After all, he is to be cast out soon is he not? That’s 6,000 of having an open sewer running through your garden. How long has watchtower been going? A mere hundred years. If we are only experiencing a foretaste of satans evil at this time while we await his arrival here, how much filth has Jehovah put up with in his kingdom? And not only that, but all of satans cronies too. No. I don’t see it as impossible Jehovah has used the watchtower. If the watchtower was a paragon of virtue, where would the test be of our faith? It’s not the first time Jehovah’s temple has been sullied. We should remember that Jehovah’s ways are not the ways of men. Also, what other religion has truely taken on the mantle of Jehovah and the responsibilities that comes with it? None that I know of. Who has preached the name and the message? Who even has basically understood it? If The watchtower has no place in prophesy, then to whom does the prophesy apply? Sometimes we just have to accept the way things are. There is a God. Of that we can be sure. If there is a god, there is a person to tell of him. If there are people to speak about God, then one at least, must be speaking truth.

    • If you can’t see that JW’s are any different than Catholics the problem is with you. You probably need a Bible study. Ask one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in your area. I am sure they would be happy to study with you. And just for fun, why not call up the local priest and ask him if he’ll come to your home and teach you the Bible. Get back with us and let us know how that turns out. lol

      • Burt Reynolds

        I have a persistent urge with the Catholics to send the local priest a picture of some toast with the figure of Christ burnt on it and tell him it’s a miracle. I know one day I’m going to give in to it, I’m only sorry I was not born in Ireland. I would be in clover.

        • Christian Obadiah

          Lol too funny.

        • Jamie Mac

          Hi Burt, for me the best place to look for miracles and the like has always been the clouds drifting by, Many a time I have seen Jesus smiling/glaring down on us. Must be a trick of the new light.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Ha ha. Have you seen Robert scowling down on you. I get regular visitations, complete with rain and thunder and the occasional lighten strike on my backside.. The trouble is with clouds, it’s not good enough for a catholic miracle. We will need a miracle stone like they had in Father Ted! I’ll see if I can dig one up in my garden………OR……you can print off a 3D effigy of stone in the shape of the pope! That will work. Didn’t think of that…

      • Sharon

        thank-you brother king for your reply,sorry thats what you heard when you r my comment.my point being to jehovah god a sin,is a sin,therefore both are accountable to jehovah,and on that note perhaps watchtower more so because of the claim to be the only true religion.pedophilia is rampant in both.just a rough guess brother im sure i had already been pioneering 16yrs before you were born,no i dont need a bible study.one thing this organization taught me i dont need anything other than my bible,jehovahs holy spirit,and his son jesus christ,whom the watchtower has put on the back burner for 140yrs.normally i wouldnt give advice,but you brother feel quite liberal in sharing yours.so my advice to you would start working on that humility now,less work for christ when he arrives.warm christian love.sharon

        • Thanks for the clarification. I didn’t know you were once a JW. You are right too, Jehovah holds some more accountable than others. James warns that elders, teachers will bear a heavier judgment.

    • Song of Hannah

      I too had a hard time understanding how God could bless such error. But if it helps at all – after studying the prophesies, I came to the understanding that Judah/Jerusalem represents Jehovah’s Witnesses and Israel/Ephraim represents Christendom. Of course, I might be totally wrong about it – and maybe I am – but it’s the only way the whole thing could make sense to me, in both my mind and heart.

    • trudy

      Isaiah 43:10 American Standard Version
      Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
      This is individuals not ORGY OF A GROUP

  • SkinnyAndShort

    So the man of lawlessness, is this a group of men or a single person? It’s worded in scripture as a singular person not as a group of men, the fact that he sits down in the temple of God acting as God suggest it’s a singular person.

    I think a group of men help make this happen, like his cronies, but I think it’s a single person that takes this position as the man of lawlessness. Am I wrong with my understanding? Most of what I have read on this subject from Robert he suggest the man of lawlessness is a group of men not a singular person.

    Any thoughts on if it’s a group of men or just one man that is the man of lawlessness?

    • Burt Reynolds

      It would have to be a composite consensus of opinion to act in a lawless fashion to decieve. What they do affects everyone and if it affects everyone, then it has to have the agreement of many. One man does not a government make would he. Kings and queens rule only by consent. Is the lie really sustained by one person in the watchtower? Is that reasonable to assume? A very recent talk given on JW.org stated quite clearly that the governing body act in unity. And the governing body are supported and sustained by a whole raft of people that assist them in their works. To what extent, and who, we will just have to wait and see.

      • SkinnyAndShort

        I see your point, the hard part for me to understand is two things, the wording and the action. It is worded as a singular man (man of lawlessness) and the action, sitting down in the temple of God declaring to be God, which suggest a singular man.

        My thought is you are right that it is a group of men that make this happen but one man actually in the end out of these wicked men becomes the man of lawlessness.

        • KB

          Maybe the governing body are only the minions, and Satan is the true man of lawlessness. Either way, one man or a group of men or Satan, the outcome will be the same. Some things will not be explained until it happens I guess.

        • Burt Reynolds

          It might help to look at the context then, and also the original language, neither of which I am too certain of myself. From what I understand though it is one of those cases where the singular applies to a group, as in man, mankind, the law of man and in evolutionist terms, the ascent of man. As to the man of lawlessness being one man, how could this be if many are guilty of lawlessness? The man lawlessness would I suppose, be a class of people in the same manner that the faithful and discreet slave refers to a group. You are not going to have only one faithful slave!? Therefore it is reasonable to assume the same applies to the man of lawlessness. But regardless, we have to ask ourselves if this subject, other than its meaning in prophesy, is worth agonising over when we will be shown just who and how many it is. Even if it is just one man or many, it is surely not the quantity, but the reason, the issue of what they represent and have done. Besides that, are we to say that no women are not complicit with the wrongdoing? ( After all, a woman started all this!!!!!) ( just joking sisters). The whole of Christianity was accomplished by the action of one man. The whole of creation was thrown under test by one Angel. Likewise there is only one God, but the entire human race is corrupt. It’s hardly likely therefore that this lawlessness is just the work of one body (again both singular and plural). We will find out, hopefully sooner than later. I’m not going to worry over it, other to make sure I’m not being lawless!

          • SkinnyAndShort

            Well you made very good points, true the discreet slave is not just one person so why should I assume the lawless one is just one man. In the end we’ll get it all sorted out.

          • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

            If you remember correctly in Matthew Mark Luke and John the Pharisees were constantly trying to undermine and boot Jesus from the temple or catch him in a lie that was a composite sign of a man of lawlessness the Pharisees finally finally intended to kill so they provoked Judas along with help of Satan to betray him it’s very clear the man of lawlessness is a composite a group of men in the modern-day Temple of Jehovah’s Witnesses as the ferris a clawless men were..

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes, that’s a good example. Thanks.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Hello brother 🙂
              I belive that you are bringing attention to a very important thing when speaking of the “modern-day temple”…because that temple play a big role…as you know…Jesus said to the priests and pharisees that they should destroy the whole tempel-building of stone and He would build it up again in 3 days…

              That is just what He did…after 3 days in the grave,He returned as a living “stone”…the corner-stone of the foundation of the spiritual real temple…by doing so…He provided a 100% guarantee that the spiritual real temple will be finnish…in Jehovah,s eyes it was as good as done 🙂

              So the real temple was no longer a building of stone…and no longer connected to any organisation on earth,but directley by Jehovah,s heavenly holy organisation 🙂
              Thats why the curtain between the holy and the most holy split in two when Jesus died.The eartly was over with.

              It is interesting to look at what the apostle Paul said about this new real Temple..:”Do you not know that you yourselves are God,s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you? If enyone destroys the temple of God,God will destroy him,for the temple of God is holy,and you are that temple.”(1 Cor.3:16,17)

              How can anyone sit down in that temple without having the rigth to do so?
              Could it be that some persons give other the impresions that they belong to this spiritual temple when they in fact do not belong there ?(Matt.22:11-14)

              The building of this spiritual temple is of huge imporance…like when the temle of Salomon was constructed…this one too is put together in silence (1 King.6:7)
              But this real temple that is not build by hands ,is of way more importance than the former tabernacle and temples in former days…those where only a sort of illustration of this real one…there is a lot more to say about this…search for it like a treachure…ask Jehovah to reveal and open up for a deeper understanding…and pleace help me in praying about the temple to be finish in right time…

              I look forward to the universal joy when the capstone (Jesus) is put in place…
              All glory to our saviour and Lord Jesus and our heavenly Father Jehovah who made all this possible

          • Jamie Mac

            Nice reasoning Burt………….

        • Burt Reynolds

          One other point I forgot to mention that you noted. The man of lawlessness sits down in the temple. Again this can be a plural for the same reason I stated below. It may also include of course, the effects of ‘his’ wrongdoing, but essentially I understand it is a reference to a group assuming ownership of the temple.

          • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

            Man of lawlessness

    • trudy

      If one says something and they all agree to it ..They are aiding and a betting to the lie ..
      Just as responsible as the first .Birds of feathers stick together .
      Just like the one nail in Jesus hand from bible teach book is a lie ..john 20:25 exposes this and so they all are liars .
      You don’t need any mags or books as study aids you just need the bible ,They have taken people away from Jehovah and Jesus with these loads of burden books that they kept ON SELLING Jehovah and Jesus and squeezed themselves as devils between you and the Jehovah and Jesus .
      The great awakening ….

      • Next time you post a video I my site you are banned.

        • Song of Hannah

          That video was absolutely ridiculous. Finds total fulfillment in Titus 1:15 “All things are clean to clean people; but to those who are defiled and faithless, nothing is clean”

        • trudy

          Well I look forward to all religion being banned including this site .Yippe

      • Beverly kenyon

        I haven’t seen the ridiculous video you posted as my iPad is bobbins but the defieled and unfaithful are the unbelievers, the pure in the world are the ones who seek cleansing by putting Faith in the blood of Christ.

        ‘For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the curcumsion group.

        They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach- and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

        Even one of their own men, a prophet from Crete has said about them, ‘The people of Crete are all liars, cruel animals, and lazy gluttons.

        This is true. Therefore rebuke them sternly, so that they maybe be sound in the faith. They must stop listening to Jewish myths and commands of people who have turned away from the truth.

        Everything is pure to those shoes are hearts are pure. But nothing is pure to those who are corrupt and unbelieving, because their minds and consciences are corrupted.

        Such people claim they know God, but they deny him by the way they live. They are destabilise and disobedient, worthless for doing anything good.’ Titus 10 – 16. NLT.

        Reading those scriptures in their context you can clearly see Paul is referring to unbelievers and you don’t come across as an unbeliever. I see a person who wants Truth and is passionate about finding it and you have a belief in God. Pray for Holy Spirt from the Father and you will find true answers for the amazing things he has planned for mankind once Satan who has been using religion as a weapon is put out of the way because as you know, God’s purpose was to settle the Earth as a complete paradise and home for humans and when adequately full to whatever the Father deems full, then who knows where we go at that point. God has a deep barrel of purpose so no need to worry. The next step for religion will be the complete destruction by the rest of the wild beast and when that happens Satan will adopt a ‘scorched earth’ approach a bit like what Herod did in trying to kill Jesus, kill them all and you most probably hit your target. And that’s what Satan will do again when he wages war with the seed of the woman. Daniel 7:25. Rev12:17. Satan is crafty in that if he targets ALL religion he will get the ‘holy ones’ of the Kingdom.

        So you see Trudy, try not to let’s what others are doing and get side tracked, delve into God’s Word.

  • trudy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH_M3jyYi94
    This is why they say they are all sent up to heaven 1914 as they belive they are speaking to the anointed ones ..Well that has not started and they are speaking to evil spirit creatures beings and everyone things In the bible is says you are my witness …Not you in the org belong to me …wake up
    Jehovah knows his people individuals!!!!!!!
    This is the biggest fake religion ever..The devil has got ones still believing it is the right group ….No group individuals and look how it all falling apart ..the watchtower is worth in buildings alone 1.billion 300 million with out funds and asking for more money in the new watchtowers for 2018 .This is just like the Vatican
    A disgusting thing in a holy place .

  • Burt Reynolds

    I’ve just noticed the last paragraph where is states that ‘the Masonic agents within the watchtower to take their deception to a whole new level…’ I cannot see why at this point, why the man of lawlessness needs to be a Freemason, or why the Freemasons would choose to influence or even join the watchtower at the beginning. If they did, what was their motive back then? My impression was that Russell was either a Freemason or agreed with them, rather than was assigned by them to establish the watchtower. The other implication of this is, of course, that the watchtower has nothing to do with corrupted followers of Christ, ( though I am sure some honest hearted deceived ones came in with it ) and that this has been a business arrangement from the off. It confuses me a little because in the past, were the priests of the temple not true servants of Jehovah but became corrupt? Perhaps someone can give me some insight on this. I have read the other articles that touch on freemasonry and the evidence is clear enough, but I never thought of the watchtower as being corrupt from the beginning. Why would Satan need to intervene. I’m sure the masons are expert already.

    • The Raven

      It appears to me to be similar to sleeper cells in this case. They’ve always been there but the final days will put them all into play and expose them. Of all the terms I might use to describe some of them Id say they were mainly demonically driven. Masons also fit that bill. I would guess that they stepped it up when this happened:

      excerpt:
      “As it stands, since the year 2000 no members of the Governing Body are on the board of directors of the Watchtower Society. (See January 15, 2001 Watchtower Announcement.) Supposedly they still exercise influence over it by virtue of being the “faithful and discreet slave.” But legally they have no control over it. They have abdicated their control.

      On the one hand the Governing Body claims to exercise oversight over all that belongs to the Master, but on the other hand they have delegated authority to a non-anointed group of men. While using the Scriptures to justify their actions it is noteworthy that in the 44th chapter of Ezekiel, which pertains to God setting things aright in his spiritual temple, Jehovah speaks to the priests, saying to them: “You have not taken care of my holy things. Instead, you assign others to take care of the duties in my sanctuary.”
      Furthermore, the concluding words of the restoration prophecy of Zechariah state: “In that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of Jehovah of armies.”

      If the anointed among Jehovah’s Witnesses comprise a spiritual temple then the Governing Body has done exactly as the prophecies indicate. They have assigned others to care for duties in God’s sanctuary – non spiritual Jews, whom God likens to Canaanites. No doubt the man of lawlessness who sits down in the temple of God is a spiritual Canaanite. ”

      And this may very well be their outcome:

      “It may well be that during the conclusion the body itself will be dissolved by the legal directors of the corporation. Or, it is not out of the question that the leaders may be imprisoned, as Rutherford and his seven associates were back in 1918 – perhaps due to their negligence in regards to the thousands of cases of child abuse. Such a development may occur in conjunction with the fulfillment of the disgusting thing standing in a holy place, which would be the signal for the faithful to part ways with the Society.

      Whatever the case, at the coming of Christ the Society will have served its purpose, at which point it will then become a snare. Or as Amos 5:5 states: “and as regards Bethel, it will become something uncanny.”

      Isaiah the 29th chapter foretells that Ariel will be besieged and encircled by pointed stakes, which is exactly what Christ prophesied would befall Jerusalem during the conclusion. As regards Ariel the prophecy states: “You will be brought low; from the ground you will speak, and what you say will be muffled by dust. Your voice will come from the ground like the voice of a spirit medium, and your words will chirp from the dust.”

      In other words, what once served as a channel and rallying point for God’s people will become a misleading voice. “Like the voice of a spirit medium” signifies that it will become an instrument to channel the voice of Satan. ”

      I will also add this: since the debacle at Silkborg it is apparent that at least some of these folks are heavily influenced by the esoteric mystery religions, part of which are Freemasons.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Ah! Thank you my friend. I hadn’t seen this article….or probably may have done but forgot about it! It appears from this then that the Masonic influence is growing from the outside business aspect of the corporation and that the governing body, having relinquished control over Jehovah’s belongings, are having to go along with these things, or indeed agree with them and have come to love them, if they wish to keep thier lofty position. I suppose on the other hand, they may have acquiesced their powers in that department, so that they could not be found responsible for their greed. I presume that though they hold no power, legally, there is collusion between them and the business side, as the governing body have to sell this to the flock, being that the flock are the ones that provide both the income and the profit of their work. The business arm cannot be exposed in their control over the governing body can they! Thus the two are inter-dependant on each other. It gives a clue over that talk about the ‘generations’ in that the speaker seemed so embarrassed and awkward over it. It was probably written by an accountant trying to find ways to balance the books by keeping the ‘income’ source interested. After all, it could not have been written by anyone who had read the bible with understanding.

        Well, such a business relationship does appear to link with the scriptures quoted and is reasonable to assume such, being that such a relationship is so blatant to those who would look to it. It reminds me of the time that the governing body sold the ruse that they would give the magazines away ‘free’ and that they would rely on Jehovah to provide the income. Everyone thought it was a holy leap of faith yet even back then, it was a shrewd business move and nothing of the sort to do with faith and freely publishing the word of Jehovah. Maybe that scripture that says ‘love believes all things…..’ should have an extra verse which says ‘but don’t be a sucker over it either’. I shall have to add that to the Book of Burt! It is strange though, to me at least, that we are at a time in scripture, where we have to take on board meanings to the prophesies, weigh them in the balance and ascribe meaning to them, or indeed, are able to apply meaning to them. One can understand why others mock the putting of meaning to scripture after so many years of waiting and silence on the matter. It’s interesting that these things now have the substance , reasonableness and meaning. It brings with it faith that the pieces can be seen to fit at last and thus the end is near in our terms of understanding of what ‘near’ means! How could anyone have done so with such unity and consistency in the past, begin to form the complete picture? I wonder when we will find the bit that has the sky, horse and bow on it!

        • The Raven

          Excellent reasoning, Burt. It does appear to fit with scripture and I agree, we’ve arrived at a time where we’re beginning to see these matters, once we knew what to look for. Ascribing meaning to this as Robert has done is no longer an impossibility. It may not be perfect but we can see in the bigger analysis how this relates to scripture. I believe they began in earnest and were quickly overtaken by the wish to see these events in their lifetimes more so than being of bad intent. They were zealous and had destroyed the lies the clergy used to keep their pews and coffers full. Not to mention the power christendom had over numerous institutions and their support or condemnation could make or break anyone. Lots to deal with. It didn’t take long for the demons to supply those first followers with the fulfillment of their erroneous formula for the gentile times. WWI, the Spanish flu etc. It stuck. Meanwhile the business end of this became more and more like wordly corporations down to this day. It can be argued they were more or less forced into this sort of business model given the litigious atmosphere they faced in civil matters which they won for the rights of not just JWS but all citizens. I think that success was also employed to defer, deter, evade and hide anything which could hurt their bottom line. Once the GB turned over their control fully they allowed the sharks to rule. Yes, I agree, those films are hard to watch. All of them are. I’d have been terrified but I know the truth about much of this. I don’t know if all of them do. I have met a number of witnesses who had no idea about anything but preaching the kingdom. They were very nice but not too bright about many wordly matters. Maybe that’s a also part of the reason they are deaf and blind. It’s because Jehovah allows them to remain so not just to test them later, but because there are still more to be awakened initially, let’s say…to the basic truths here. It could all be part of the master plan and we may all play our parts yet. That’s one of the main reasons I refuse to badger any of them. Who might they reach? Who might they actually have a part in saving? I don’t know. They found me. I then found this place.
          You’re right, Burt it is with faith that some of us understand these things and can better see what’s happening and I remain guarded in pressing the matter with active but sleeping witnesses. I consider knowing these things through someone who has obviously been given insight a privilege. I’ve accepted what I’ve learned and it’s made me look even deeper than I ever have. As you’ve stated before many times, Jehovah always finds a way, He will always tell us so someone has to be speaking it. I equate finding this place with the day a brother first brought me the truth. Now I have, what I would say is close to the whole picture. The rest remains to be revealed at the proper time.
          You have to publish that Book of Burt! In the short time I’ve been here those entries had me rolling! I hope you’ve been recording them!

          • Burt Reynolds

            You have just reminded me that even in my lifetime, I needed a reference from a clergyman to get a job! A bit like getting a reference from a burglar to work in a bank……maybe that is why the bankers are such crooks now! There’s a thought!

            • The Raven

              And what a thought that is! After the Russian banning I’d say they’re probably expecting more. But here’s where their position on prophecy becomes even more dicey.

  • TheSpiritualMan

    Hi there. I am new here and this is my first post. I want to inquire into all things (1. Co. 2:15). Please forgive me my poor Englisch. I am an active JW in Germany, got questions, got myself a copy of “Jehovah himself has become King” (final edition) and studied the first 4 chapters. I believe the following thoughts fit well to the article by brother King.

    Btw I’d never dare to say I have the truth, although I wish I had it 100%. However I am but a little man and a Bible student. But I have a rather clear picture from the scriptures. Can you please help me with this one and correct me if I got a wrong impression?

    1)
    Matthew 3:2 “and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”
    John had a “preaching”-assignment by the Holy Spirit. He said the right thing. He acted as a prophet.

    2)
    Mark 1:14,15 “14 After John was put in prison, Jesus went into Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God. 15 “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”
    The Lord was driven by the Holy Spirit and acted as the true prophet.

    3)
    Matthew 10:7 “As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons.”
    The Lord commissioned his disciples to preach “the time has come”

    In all the above mentioned cases it is a preaching commission. Just like Matthew 28:18 is.

    In opposition to that Matthew 24:14 is a prophecy, not a preaching commission.

    The difference?

    The disciples were curious about the future. They asked for a sign (Greek: semeion). He gave them semeion. Like wars, earthquakes, famines etc. That does not mean any follower of the Christ should make any of these things come true, support wars, cause sickness etc. It’s a “mere” prophecy. In the same context the Lord gives sign of the preaching in all the inhabited earth for a witness, only for the last days. No preaching commission for the last days (although SOMEONE will have to preach in order to fullfill prophecy).

    Why else does Matthew 24:14 appear to me to be no preaching commission?

    Notice that Jesus Christ forwarned his disciples:
    Matthew 24:4,5 (the very same context) and vers 24, false prophets, coming in His name, saying I am Christ (anointed), doing great signs. In order to deceive, if possible, the elect.

    The parallel account is Luke 21. In vers 8 Jesus Christ says:
    “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.”

    To summarize:
    The Spirit and Jesus Christ send out disciples with the message: “the time is near”. Jesus Christ knows that one day some false Christs will copy him, will come in his name, saying I am he (Christ / anointed!), will perform great signs (same word here: “semeion”) and say “the time in near”, thus copying the message of the first century. They will build on the powerful story of the 1st century and thus gain power for themselves.

    However when people hear them, they must not follow.

    The only way that this doesn’t make for a contradiction is, that Matthew 24:14 is to be treated as a prophecy for the last days, just like wars etc. The preaching commission was only for the time the Christ walked the earth and the apostolic days in the 1st century. But that commission is fulfilled.

    If there is a preaching commission for us Christians in the 21st century, it must not be anything like “the time has come”.

    I found a little video on youtube, someone showing WTS publications from days ago and making the connection to Luke 21:8.

    I checked various translations. The wording only differs slighty:

    BBE, NET, NHEB: „the time is near“
    ISV: „the time has come“
    WEB, ASV und Byington: „the time is at hand”
    Kingdom Interlinear: “the appointed time has approached”

    That translates to:
    Millennial Dawn 1889 “The time is at hand”
    Studies in the Scriptures 1911 “The time is at hand”
    “The Kingdom is at hand” 1944
    “God’s kingdom of a thousand years has approached” 1973
    “Revelation – It’s grand climax is at hand!” 1988

    Additionally: Meeting workbook November 2017 Treasures from God’s word “Remain spiritually alert and active” Question: “What convices you that the end of this system of things IS VERY NEAR?”

    Or: “In 1922, J. F. Rutherford, then president of the Watch Tower Society, addressed conventioners at Cedar Point, Ohio, and said: “Since 1914 the King of glory has taken his power . . . The kingdom of heaven is at hand”. He then added: “Therefore advertise, advertise, advertise, the King and his kingdom”

    In conclusion:
    As JWs we learn that “the time is near”, it’s on our book covers and we tell that to all people in our minstry. Those people, if they knew Jesus words in Luke 21:8, should never follow “us”, the organization, the GB.

    The preaching of the good news IS IN FACT a great sign, just as fortold by the Lord. The false Christs would perform great signs (semeion). G4592 semeion according to Thayer’s definition is a token that by which a person is distiguished from others and is known.

    As JW we are proud to be known by all for the preaching work. It actually is something that gives us an identity and we are happy to be set apart from the rest of the world, even the rest of Christianity, because no one preaches like we do. We are distiguished to such an extend that, due to the preaching work, it is only us who will survive the Great day of Almighty:

    *** w11 1/15 p. 32 Dwell on What Jehovah Has Done for You ***
    Today, God’s servants are accomplishing the greatest Christian works ever. Over seven million individuals look forward to surviving the great tribulation. Imagine, never before have so many faithful servants of Jehovah been active in so many lands throughout the earth! Jehovah has made Jesus’ prophetic words about “works greater than these” a reality

    Here my question remains: In the spiritual state of alertness, is it a mistake to say to others, that the time is near? Can we “screen” religious organization and pastors etc. with these words to see if they are false Christs?
    For instance I came accross the talk “The anointed one at the end time” by Wiliam Branham. I never knew him before. In his talk he explains in a wonderful way how all receive the same spirit. Only at the end of the time, the weeds will be seperated from the wheat. He uses scriptures in a plain way that is totally new to me. Yet, just a few minutes into his talk he says “Knowing that this may be our last service that we’ll ever have. The Coming of the Lord is so close at hand!” B.t.w. that was in 1965 and he did healing. Was he a false prophet?

    I am very curious what you have to say. Thank you very much for your input!

    • TheSpiritualMan

      And thank you brother Robert for your work, your website and book. Many things start to fall into place. I don’t understand how someone can get the “antichrist-treatment” (1. John 2:19 and 1. John 4) when in fact he / she shows great faith in the Father and the Son and speaks up for the truth in God’s word. Keep the faith!

      • Hello SpiritualMan. I noticed that you deleted your other post that had some questions. Might I suggest emailing your questions to me. I will consider them either in the Mailbag or podcast.

        • TheSpiritualMan

          Hello Robert, as you’re suggested, I’ve sent you and email through the website. I’d be glad to hear from you. In these days, a little word of encouragement is like good oil.

          • I responded to your email a few days ago. But I just realized if you sent me an email from the form on my site I cannot respond to those unless you include your email in the body.

            • TheSpiritualMan

              Please let me know if you received my email in which I let you know about my circumstances and thoughts on Luke 21:8, as well as Matthew 24:4,5,24 und vers 14.
              I’ve already used the search function on your website and looked through articles, but there was none that elaborated on the phrase “the time has come”, which also John, Yeshua and the Apostles rightfully used then. According to the Lord, the same phrase seems to be inappropriate in the endtime and helps to identify clearly the false Christs and prophets. At the same time some have to fulfill Matt. 24:14. How is that possible. How do I have to see Jehovah’s hand in this? One spirit that accomplishes it all?

              I want to be as precise as possible hoping that you can help me see things in the right perspective. Please let me know if my ideas / questions are not yet plain enough.

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