Episode #71

//Episode #71

(April 30th 2016)

Questions for this episode: Did World War One have any biblical significance? I know I cannot preach the Watchtower’s message as before, so where are Jehovah’s Witnesses who love the truth supposed to go now? What if the mark of the beast is a microchip? And more! 

image_pdfimage_print
2016-05-09T15:08:18+00:00 April 30th, 2016|Podcasts|225 Comments
  • Nice way to start May 1st & Sunday with a watchman’s post April podcast !! Praise Jah

  • In demographics, the world population is the total number of humans currently living. As of March 2016, it was estimated at 7.4 billion.

    One forth of 7.4 billion is 1 billion 8 hundred fifth million (1,850,000,000 souls) the good news is that they will have the hope of a Resurrection.

  • All the new debit & credit cards are microciped.
    And can be rendered useless if you don’t support the leadership of the coming world government . When cash, gold, and silver will be marked as valueless by the 8th king.

    Just my thoughts.

  • Rose Alves

    You are so wrong False prophet. How can you interpret the signs in Satan’s world? He as the ruler of this world will use his world to deceive everyone especially the elect. You refuse to listen to Christ. The kingdom has not been born yet because the woman is still having birth pangs. A birth does not happen before birth pangs. I know you will delete this comment because you cannot give an answer to this. Also how can you advise your listeners to back to their congregations when Jehovah says to get out of her.
    Also you rightly say that at baptism the holy spirit was substituted for the organization yet you tell your listeners to get baptized anyway. That is hypocrisy of the highest form. You are disobeying Christ and no wonder you did not take celebrate the memorial this year because Christ didn’t allow you to. It’s too sacred for an unfaithful anointed like you who goes against Christs teachings.

    • Beverly kenyon

      No disrespect Rose, but there’s no way on Jehovah,s beautiful earth that Robert King is a False Prophet. Because of what he talked about in his latest Podcast I am seriously thinking of going back to my old congregation. I realise that might not be an ideal situation for some people who might have left for whatever reason but based on the Bible, Brother King,s reasoning made sense. I’ve already attended one meeting since the memorial. Not being funny but Brother King, far from going against Christ,s teaching, encouraged the listener to read what Jesus Christ had to say on the matter of going back to Gods House. Please go back and have another good listen to the latest Podcast, which is a good one as usual, especially the bit about Jehovah saying to get out of her. Aren’t we all suppose to be on the same side??

      • He IS a false prophet! He has been falsely predicting World war for over 10 years. He wrongly says war within satans world is the fulfilment of the Signs jesus gave. The SIgn are called Birth-pangs and birth-pangs only happen within Anointed because they are the ones being Born into Gods Kingdom. Revelation uses the same word for Birth-pangs…and this helps us know WHO the Birth-pangs Signs apply to.

        • Beverly kenyon

          Based on everything I’ve read that Brother King has written I will once again say there is no chance Brother King is a false prophet. Hannah, is right. You need to do one off this site. You shouldn’t be reading things written by a “false prophet”. And yes, Brother King is right about a

          • Beverly kenyon

            Meant to end that sentence about Brother King being right about a world war. Fact! Aren’t you keeping on the watch?! I think you and Rose are winding each other up. Like the tag team you are you were both quick to pounce with the name calling. Well, you’re both out of order!!

            • You are looking for excuses. Do you know the Greek word for “pangs of distress” is “BIRTH-pangs”. So Jesus was calling the Signs Birth-pangs. They happen before a Birth,not after. So WAR as a fulfillment of the signs happens within those who will be BORN into Gods Kingdom.

            • Brian

              You are missing the point of the pangs of distress, how do you interpret Nation against Nation as the anointed having it out with each other?

            • pangs of distress is a WT LIE. Go back to the greek and see that ‘birth-pangs’ is the right word. So pangs of distress HIDES THE TRUTH

            • Beverly kenyon

              I’m having pangs of distress reading your nonsense!

            • so you are denying the original greek word spoken by christ?

            • Beverly kenyon

              Mega lol. Yes, I’m in denial.

            • lol

            • Beverly kenyon

              You never fail to make me laugh! Sorry, don’t speak Greek but I like their food.

            • I would think that the message was more important than the language, right !

            • Beverly kenyon

              So right!

            • ewatchman

              That’s funny.

              I banned those two but I didn’t realize it would delete all their drivel too. Oh well. I’m learning as I go.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Just as well that their drivel was deleted too……

            • bummer, im guilty of not reading much of the dilemma yet. also had a thought that was going to happen and even you learning that. oh well, maybe ill get it in a while.

            • Leonard k

              was that rose from facebook again robert?

            • ewatchman

              Yes. She can’t help it.

            • Leonard k

              oh brother last I heard from her was that you and I are nothing more then agents of satan lol. after I had caught her in a lie she deleted her incriminating comment on facebook and I just gave up on trying to reason with her.

            • Sam

              looks like i shouldn’t have gone to sleep… i missed all the fun

            • Brian

              You are playing on words. The context of what Jesus was talking about is what is the important part to look at. I am not a watchtower follower, sorry!

            • you are using a phrase thats in the NWT. This phrase hides the original greek word used by Christ..and hides WHERE the real signs happen. get a KIB bible and see this for yourself.

            • Brian

              You are still not explaining to me the relevance of birth pangs to this scripture, a situation is being born, the end of this system and the final collection of those chosen as Gods sons and brothers of Jesus. These pangs in Matthew are in reference to distress in the world.

            • Revelation 12:2 shows WHO are affected by birth-pangs? WHO goes through a birth? the woman and the child/kingdom.

            • Brian

              What did I just say about the collection of the ones chosen?

            • “These pangs in Matthew are in reference to distress in the world.” you are not getting it. Birth-pangs ONLY happen to anointed.

            • Brian

              What do you think the gathering together of the ones chosen represents? Birth of the Kingdom or the completion of it? Of course much must happen to these sons of God.

            • you say pangs of distress…and that shows you are infected by WT thinking.

            • Brian

              As you wish. In your mind what do you think the “birth pangs ” are in relation to those dwelling on the earth as this is what Jesus is referring to, these same disastrous events befall the chosen as well as the “also ran”?

            • Beverly kenyon

              You are twisting scripture to your own interpretation and I refuse to use God,s word to have a debate with you. It just doesn’t make sense what both you and Rose are talking about.

            • LOOK AT ORIGINAL GREEK,its says “birth-pangs”. the kingdom interlinear printed by the GB proves this!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Now in the way that Janʹnes and Jamʹbres opposed Moses, so these also go on opposing the truth. Such men are completely corrupted in mind, disapproved as regards the faith. Nevertheless, they will make no further progress, for their folly will be very plain to all, as it was with those two men. But wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled [namely Jahsdisciple and Rose]
              2 Timothy 3:.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Now why didn’t I think of that scripture? Perfect reply to their unreasoning nonsense. Thank you! Your knowledge of scripture is amazing! Gonna have work harder!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I was enjoying your replies to them, you did excellent!.

            • whats the Greek word for get lost?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              “Άντε χάσου” . “POW”….

            • χάσου (chásou)

            • Beverly kenyon

              Lol. So funny.

            • lol, κάποιος να πάρει αυτός ο τύπος ένα μπολ με Windex

        • Brian

          He has not been predicting world war at all, making reference to events that unfold are no more than putting a “maybe it is now” out there, this is not predicting.

      • Erik

        Hello dear sister Rose.
        I hope you are doing well.
        I was so surprised to read your comment because it is a far different outlook than you had before.
        Yes, I can appreciate why you would question why Bro. King would encourage people to stay with the organization given all the things that are currently wrong with it. However, keep in mind that Jesus supported the Jewish system while he was still alive despite the obvious flaws of its leaders. I believe the same is true today Rose.
        In the most recent podcast (#71) Brother King explains in further detail why it is still Gods organization although they are soon to be disciplined by Jehovah. When you get a chance please listen to it. I believe it may explain the concerns that you and many others have had. In truth Rose I also had the same concerns when I first started. These days, my perspective is different. It is more in line with what Robert explained in today’s podcast (#71). Once again, I would encourage you to listen to it.
        Just like the Jewish system had become corrupt and had deviated significantly from the way it was intended to be, so too today, the organization has changed dramatically from what it was intended to be. But recall that it was still the means that Jehovah used until it was taken away from them and given to a “nation producing good fruits”. That did not occur until after the death of Jesus.
        I believe the same principal is soon to occur again and sadly most of the people in the organization don’t understand that, much less, will be prepared for it.
        The time will soon come when the anointed will be taking the lead (by Holy Spirit) to declare among the people to “get out of her”.
        That time has not yet come since the plague that is to be poured upon her has yet to occur. They will also be infused by Gods HS to lead many to righteousness and to shine as brightly as the sun as described in Daniel.
        However, I believe the most important aspect of all is not “how much” we know or even “what” we know. After all, things could still unfold in ways we completely did not expect. Will we be ready if it does? The most important aspect is what Paul writes about in 1 Corinthians chapter 13. It is the displaying of the “heavenly love” both inwardly and outwardly. This display of the heavenly love will prevent one from practicing the things that God disapproves.
        Rose, without this “heavenly love” it simply will not matter how much “prophetic insight” a person may have.
        I think you will agree with Paul’s words. Unless we have this kind of love no other gift a person may have will matter.
        This applies to Brother King, myself and anyone else who wants to please the Heavenly Father.
        I believe there are times when so many are overlooking that crucial point.
        As always, I wish you the very best as we both (along with many others) keep searching for the truth and doing our best to be practicing the things that are approved by Jehovah.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          I’m pretty sure Robert blocked rose on this site due to higher outlandish behavior. However I took the liberty to post your message in her mailbox on face book as I thought she was pretty fond of you and might listen to reasoning from you, hope you don’t mind. Anyway here’s a link to her face bookhttps://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008520006525https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008520006525

          • Erik

            Thank you.

          • Sister Rose Alves, flee from all that negative energy coming from all those angry ex-jw sites where they twist the Scriptures. Surround yourself in Jehovah’s love and kindness please, time is short.

            Listen to Commentary- April 22, 2016 by e-watchman #np on #SoundCloud
            https://soundcloud.com/e-watchman/commentary-april-22-2016

        • Beverly kenyon

          Just finished reading the scripture you quoted Erik. I’d forgotten that scripture – sorry, but I have a memory like cheese – but so glad I’m reminded of it. It was lovely reading it again. Won’t be forgetting it this time. When anyone jump on this site the first thing you read is how long Robert King has been providing spiritual food for lost sheep and anyone else who is seeking the truth about Gods Word so for Rose and her sidekick to try and cast doubt on all that hard work is a low blow and of course there’s going to be a reaction! I’m not technology minded and I’m still learning but when I found out about the Watchtower,s double dealings and cover ups I became a lost sheep and I can honestly say it was one of the most terrifying feelings!! Where was I going to go?? I have to worship Jehovah and our King, Jesus Christ. So it was by a sheer fluke that I found Robert King,s site. I like to think that Jehovah saw my anguish and terror and led me to this site! I hope your loving and kind words to Rose and her pal get through to them.

          • Erik

            I can appreciate what you went through. The same happened to me about 10 years ago. I had been in the organization 50+ years when things became confusing for me. I prayed constantly about it and then one night I came across this website. At first I was skeptical but I couldn’t shake the feeling that it had the “ring of truth”. On top of that it came at a time when I was searching for answers.
            Could I had been wrong? Perhaps, but I will say that of all the information I’ve come across this makes the most sense. Still, the most important thing is remaining a good and faithful Christian. Best wishes to you.

        • Beverly kenyon

          Loved reading your life experience in your post to Alexandra. Also you’ve inspired me into reading more of the Christian Greek scriptures as I tend to spend more time on the Hebrew Scriptures. Hope Rose has read your kind and supportive words that Bklyn Kevin kindly put on Facebook.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            I checked roses replies back to me on face book concerning Erik’s letter to her, and I can only say she was not favorable or open minded at all.

            • bummer :/

            • Beverly kenyon

              Thank you Blyn Kevin for taking time to find out about Rose. I really appreciate that. I’m still stunned about what she truly believe! I still say she and her “friend” were both winding each other up with their nonsensical beliefs. Very strange! Also thank you for posting those scriptures. You go along in your busy life and forget those important scriptures so it was a timely reminder especially to me since from time to time bits of my spiritual armour tend to fall off! Aaargh! So annoying!!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              For it will come in upon all those dwelling upon the face of all the earth.
              Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that YOU may succeed in escaping all these things that are destined to occur, and in standing before the Son of man. Luke 21:35-36.

              How Will It End? Read more>https://jehovahs-witnesses-daily-text.com/

    • Song of Hannah

      If you believe Robert is a false prophet, then what are you doing even talking to him here? And what are you doing on his website, which is akin to being in his home? God’s people are to have no association with these types of people whatsoever.

      • You watch how these 2 posts are deleted when robert sees them. We had this debate of Rose facebook page and he left it because he has no answers about WHO th Birth-pangs happen to.

        Its the job of any anointed who knows the truth to expose Anointed who have become liars against Christ. Thats why Rose is here.

        • Rose Alves

          You know Kevin I was just about going to give her the same answer but now I see that you have done that.

        • ewatchman

          You had your say on my Face book account. Then you began stalking me on YouTube, which I deleted. I blocked you’re email too when you began spamming me with your BS. And I will take down any more of your posts here. Go start your own blog exposing e-watchman, or whatever. It is not exactly a novel idea, but you’ve had your say here. Now get lost.

          • why dont you explain why you dont take the emblems to people here? You are NOT worthy of them. If you an answer you would give it,but you dont FALSE PROPHET.

            • ewatchman

              As near as I can tell whether or not someone partakes is between them and God. I don’t have to explain why or why not to anyone. It is certainly none of your business. But like I said, you’re done here. And take your sock puppet with you.

            • Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha sock puppet

          • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

            Hilarious Robert. .sock puppet.. : ) gonna barrow that..

      • Rose Alves

        My dear there is a war going on between Christ’s faithful anointed and Christ’s unfaithful anointed. War as described in Mathew chapter 24 is a sign of birth pangs not in Satan’s world but within the anointed. It’s a spiritual warfare. Jws all have the mark of the beast when they were baptized in the name of an organization, the name of a man and the number of a man. Satan doesnt want anybody knowing this because he is preventing the child (kingdom) from being born. The remnant of that kingdom he is trying to devour so the 144,000 will not be complete. So his big deception is to use prophets like Robert King to interpret the bith pangs within Satan’s world like world War one and the rising of an eighth political King. This is all part of Satan’s tactics trying to hide the real meaning of where birth pangs are. It is my duty as a faithful anointed of Jesus Christ to expose Satan’s lies. It’s this war where anointed are involved. I am only wanting to save a few.

        • Brian

          I don’t see anything in Matthew 24 that resembles a war going on between “faithful and unfaithful” anointed Christians. The pangs of distress is just that, they are pangs related directly to 1; The rise of false Christ’s, 2: Wars and reports of wars which is what will bring nation against nation accompanied by food shortages and earthquakes.
          You would do to take your own council about false teachings, in fact standing as an anointed one as a segregated class of Christian is also a false teaching!

          • wake up! educate yourself ! get the interlinear and prove it for yourself. Birth-pangs only happen to those who are going to be BORN into gods kingdom

        • Beverly kenyon

          I like to think I’m a reasonable person but not being funny Rose, but that makes no sense whatsoever! And believe me I’ve tried to understand your reasoning.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            The same situation happen on face book, and we tried to reason with them however they kept repeating the same garbage and then resorted to name calling.
            And like Robert said they were actually stalking people to the point that it became necessary to block them. completely

    • Darren Wilks

      Do you speak like this to all that dont think like you do? Some of the things
      you said are outright nasty.

  • Here we are on the cusp of the collapse of the entire system were 1,850,000,000 people will lose their lives according to the BIBLE, and we got some Kool-Aid drinkers up in here. for REAL ! for real ?

    • ewatchman

      JW’s say I’m an apostate because I try to lead them away from the organization. These two say I’m a false prophet for encouraging JW’s to stay with it. It’s a whacky world. Hilarious actually.

      • Glad you have a sense of humor about it, I worry about the crap people heap on you. I have researched a lot of things over the years and prayed to Jehovah for insight. You my friend are the Only one making sense at this time with Bible insight. Much Love. …….

        • ewatchman

          Well, I think you touched on it. The demons don’t like it when someone puts the pieces together.

          • This podcast got the demons all riled up, and you slayed them, you rock!

          • Burt Reynolds

            Yes Robert, but I want to know if you have put the pieces together. I’m not offering criticism, or looking to offend what is clearly an insightful faith. I am looking for the truth. Best wishes.

        • Kevin b

          So true brother. Things are crystal clear to me as well, but everyone at the Kingdom Hall I’m sure thinks I given up on Jehovah(I don’t follow the program like everyone else). Doesn’t really matter what anybody thinks, when the Watchtower falls, the only ones that will be able to help are the readers of ewatchman. I’m not going anywhere, I know the ring of truth when I hear it.

          • I like to refer to it as jumping though there hoops, (like a circus animal ) and if you don’t master ALL the hoops ” your unworthy”. I always went against the grain. Jehovah will use us treasure hunters in the near future brother, I guarantee it !!

          • Burt Reynolds

            I don’t know the truth, Kevin. I am trying to hear the ring. Best wishes.

      • Leonard k

        Robert it is common sense thinking as to why JWS should stay with the organization and Persevere but the only way they can do this is to come to an accurate understanding of the truth and this is exactly what you have been trying to accomplish for so many years.
        personally Robert I often think of how you your self must Persevere in many things but I for one am great full for your example and the example that jesus Christ has set for us all.

        Romans 12:12

        12 Rejoice in the hope. Endure under tribulation. Persevere in prayer.

        1 Timothy 4:16

        16 Pay constant attention to yourself and to your teaching. Persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you.

        they can brand you an apostate all they like but they are only cutting off there nose to spite there face so to speak.

        Mark 6:11

        11 And wherever a place will not receive you or listen to you, on going out from there, shake off the dirt that is on your feet for a witness to them.”

        Psalm 75:10

        10 For he says: “I will cut off all the strength of the wicked, But the strength of the righteous will be exalted.”

        Ezekiel 21:3

        3 Say to the land of Israel, ‘This is what Jehovah says: “Here I am against you, and I will bring my sword out of its sheath and cut off from you both the righteous and the wicked.

      • Burt Reynolds

        For as long as you are not an apostate from Jehovah and the bible, I don’t see that it matters what religion you are termed as an apostate from and their barbs are meaningless. Russel was an apostate, and Rutherford too. I don’t see that you can be accused of being a false prophet for encouraging people to stay with the organisation when looking at it as yet on the surface as I am, there is reason, biblical reason, to consider the rightness of that action…no matter how contrary it might seem. It is easy to label someone as false because one cannot see for oneself. I expect that happened to the prophets of old, in fact it did, and with ridicule. But the bible says we should be wary of those calling themselves such in this time of the end and so the touchstone is the bible and, to quote the literature department, reasoning on the scriptures. The bible says that many will come in the name of Christ, claiming to be him, (whether in knowledge or in person I’m not sure…probably both), but that does not mean to say that no one honest will turn up who truly is knowledgable and can give insight. By their fruits you shall know them. I would very much like to know what anointed means and the effect it has. Best wishes.

    • Beverly kenyon

      Those numbers are mind boggling Joseph, and still Jehovah don’t want people to die. We worship a God of the living. Everywhere you look there’s life. Brother King mentioned in his latest Podcast how where he lives nature is bursting into life. The same is true here in Manchester,England. It’s an explosion of life. Like some mass Green resurrection!

    • Burt Reynolds

      Hello Joseph, What does Kool Aid drinkers refer to? I’m English and my book on americanese does not contain an explanation for this and I want to understand your point. Thanks

      • ewatchman

        Koolaid drinkers is a reference to the JonesTown mass suicide back in 1978. This crazy cult leader, Jim Jones, took his followers to Guyana and formed a commune. But when word got out of his abuses two US congressmen flew down to Jonestown. They were assassinated at the airport by Jone’s henchmen. Knowing the authorities would come down like a hammer at that point Jones mixed up a batch of cyanide-laced Koolaid and ordered his followers to drink it down. If they didn’t they were shot. Altogether there were about 900 who drank the Koolaide. So, Koolaide drinkers is a metaphor for anyone who swallows whatever they are told, especially when it comes to religions.

      • Hello Burt,

        You still out running from Buford T Justice !

        ” Drinking the Kool-Aid” is a figure of speech commonly used in North America that refers to a person or group holding an unquestioned belief, argument, or philosophy without critical examination. It could also refer to knowingly going along with a doomed or dangerous idea because of peer pressure.

        • Burt Reynolds

          Hello Joseph , now I want to know who Burford T Justice means!

          • Sheriff Buford T. Justice is a fictional character played by Jackie Gleason in the films Smokey and the Bandit (1977), Smokey and the Bandit II (1980) and Smokey and the Bandit Part 3 (1983).[1] He is a determined, foul-mouthed Texas sheriff, from Montague County, and he chases “the Bandit” all over the Southern United States. Film reviewer Christian Toto writes that Sheriff Justice is “a volcano trapped in the body of a husky law enforcer, a man whose sense of outrage threatens to boil over in every scene.” The bandit was Burt Reynolds

            • Burt Reynolds

              Thanks. I should have known. But it was the fist name that came into my head when thinking of a pseudonym. Yes, still running from justice and hope to find it soon!

            • Hello Burt,

              Though you might enjoy this.

              Listen to Commentary- April 22, 2016 by e-watchman #np on #SoundCloud
              https://soundcloud.com/e-watchman/commentary-april-22-2016

            • Burt Reynolds

              Thanks Joseph, that was beautiful. It’s a long long time since I sung that song too. Never as good as that though. Thanks.

            • Your welcome,
              Here’s my favorite , in case you missed it!

              Listen to Imagining Paradise by e-watchman #np on #SoundCloud
              https://soundcloud.com/e-watchman/imagining-paradise

            • Burt Reynolds

              Thanks Joseph. Again, very nice. Best wishes.

  • I LOVE WHEN YOU TAKE OUT YOUR SWORD AND SLAY THE DEMONS MR KING ! YEAH

  • Kevin b

    Good grief a lot has happened here in the past few hours. I saw Rose’s comment just a few hours ago and I new it was about to get real. I went to dinner and missed so much, its hard to figure out as a lot of comments are deleted. I guess it was for the best. I guess her search for the truth has ended, that’s sad!

    • You missed the fireworks, Robert banned two sock puppets, And trust me it was no search for the truth.

    • ewatchman

      I banned Rose and Jahsdisciple, but I didn’t realize that banning someone would wipe out all of their comments. I would have preferred that their comments stayed. They accused me of being a false prophet because I have been saying that there will be a third world war for ten years now. I would have wished that their insanity be on display.

      • You forgot one, it comes in like a little humble sheep and tries to get under people’s skin trying to provoke a debate.
        I-scammed -u
        It truly is Satan’s manipulated seed twisting the scriptures in order to try and support its Trinitarian beliefs

        • Bklyn Kevin

          His name says It all, “I-scammed “, Is the choosing of that particular name just coincidental or Intentional? .
          Well when you thinking about his outrageous speculation concerning the Trinity which he can’t supported scripturally I would think for sure he chose that name intentionally in order to add insult to injury to those who would listen AND isn’t that how Satan’s twisted seed works?

          Eve said “You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” At this the serpent / [Satan] said to the woman: “You certainly will not die.
          For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.”
          Genesis 3: 4-5

          For such men [like I-SCAMMER] are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works.
          2 Corinthians 11:14-15.
          The one who practices sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, to break up the works of the Devil.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Testing inspired statements (1 John 4:

            1 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements* to see whether they originate with God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
            2 This is how you know that the inspired statement is from God: Every inspired statement that acknowledges Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God.
            3 But every inspired statement that does not acknowledge Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist’s inspired statement that you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world.

        • iscamer

          How different is your response to me than the “Society’s” response to ewatchman? They are calling him an apostate which is JW code for he is making too much sense so we better silence him now. I applaud him for what he is doing in that regard, saying you can love God(jehovah) and have a relationship with him without the Governing Body’s help.

          • Beverly kenyon

            We’ll, if it walks, talks, looks and sound like a demon then it must be a demon! Joseph, is protective of this site because it’s where hurt, “battered” bewildered, bruised and confused ones have come to find real bible truths provided by one man,s deep search of God,s word and has shown that there is going to be consequences.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              do not give the Devil an opportunity Ephesians 4:27.
              Put on the complete suit of armor from God so that you may be able to stand firm against the crafty acts of the Devil; Ephesians 6:11.

            • iscamer

              Why are they battered and bewildered if they serve the same God?

            • Beverly kenyon

              They do serve God but they also live in the world and everyone is “bruised and battered” in some way or other. They’re not perfect but try their best to serve Jehovah.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            1 John 2:

            22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

            23 Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either. But whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
            Excerpt from The Antichrist Is Coming!, https://e-watchman.com/antichrist-coming/

            According to John one of the identifying factors of the proliferating antichrists back then was that they denied that Jesus Christ had come in the flesh. And to be sure, the predominate teaching of Christendom, the Trinity – considered to be the very cornerstone and an essential article of faith, does just that – it denies that Jesus came in the flesh. Instead of being the flesh and blood Son of God the “Jesus” of the antichrists was/is a demigod – God in the flesh. By making Jesus out to be Almighty God the antichrists deny that Jesus’ life in the flesh depended upon his obedience to God unto death. (See YouTube video: Are you an Antichrist?)

            • iscamer

              Jesus did come in the flesh, I do not dispute that. John 1:14. Are we talking again, Kevin? 🙂

            • Bklyn Kevin

              The teaching of Christendom concerning the Trinity are considered to be the very cornerstone and an essential article of faith, “does just that” – it “denies” that Jesus came in the flesh.
              And yet this is what you’re promoting / teaching.
              By making Jesus out to be Almighty God the antichrists deny that Jesus’ life in the flesh depended upon his “obedience” to God unto death.

            • iscamer

              He chose to come here and die for us. The only thing that compelled him was love for the Father and then love for us.

            • Merton

              You have this wrong. It’s not that Christ had skin, bones, blood, fingers etc. It’s that he had human nature. His natural inclination was to sin, to do his own will. He had to put up a fight, he had to walk by the spirit in order to not sin. He was exactly like us. That’s why he can completely relate to what we are going through. The meaning of ‘flesh’ has kind of lost it’s full meaning. It can relate to skin etc but it’s more often used for human nature (works of the ‘flesh’, walking by the ‘flesh’ an so on)

              The apostle John foresaw what would happen after the apostles died off (it’s the last hour), people would pervert the Jesus of the bible. Instead of ‘Christ was righteous because he walked by the spirit (not the flesh)’ it became ‘Christ was righteous because he was God’. And obviously there are consequences to this. In the first example, we can walk as Christ walked because we have the Word in it’s complete form for us. We have access to the spirit Word. But of course in the second example, we cannot walk as Christ walked because we are not God!!

              So for the trinitarian we can straight away see some problems with some scriptures:

              (1 John 2:1) ‘My little children, i’m writing to you these things so that you may not commit a sin’ – If you are a trinitarian, then the apostle John is simply lying to us here. Only God can be in this fleshly body and not sin right?

              (1 Peter 1:15) but as obedient children, be yourselves holy in all your activity. – impossible for us right?

              (1 John 3:9-10) ‘No one who is a child of God sins….Nor can he sin….’What’s the apostle John smokin’?? After all only God can exist in this human vessel and not sin…

              If ye love me, keep my commandments….it’s all over scripture. Christ set us free from sin. Christ set us free from the bondage we are in to sin. He is the example. He is the human who conquered because he walked by the spirit, and we are supposed to pick up his cross and follow him (impossible for the trinitarian).

              Trinitarians spend so much time focusing on the ‘Jesus is God’ routine trying to evangelise unitarians, JWs etc that they fail to realise the most important thing about Jesus is that he was a mere human, who was tempted to sin by his own human nature in all facets of life. But this human overcame sin. And he has shown us how we can overcome sin too.

            • iscamer

              He never sinned. If He was just human, why didn’t He sin? Why do we if we are the same as Him?

            • Sam

              Easy- he was born a perfect man while we are all imperfect! Romans 5:12 reminds us that death spread from Adam to all his descendants. Yet as you likely well know, Jesus birth was not a normal birth from two imperfect parents, but was a miraculous birth by means of holy spirit.

              1 Cor 15:22- “For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive” The Scriptures numerously compare Adam and Christ. Even calling Jesus “the second Adam” for he is a fitting ransom to pay Adam’s sin that we inherit.

              One perfect man’s life to pay for another perfect man’s sin to save our present condition. Putting Jesus as God makes all these things lose there meaning…. consider for example Abraham’s sacrifice of his beloved son Isaac foreshadowing Jehovah God’s love in giving his son in sacrifice and the hardship involved. John 3:16

              This loses all meaning when you take away the father/son relationship that just cannot exist in the trinity no matter which way you try to spin it. Put lipstick on a pig it’s still a pig. No matter how you spin it you are making Jesus and God one and the same.

              Satan is no doubt very happy that so many have downplayed Jesus love for his father to give up his life unselfishly… something he claims no man would do. He has got many who call themselves Christian to essentially say the same by making Jesus God

            • iscamer

              Yes, but Merton thinks He was born with the sin nature.

            • ewatchman

              Trinitarians are always running a con game. On the one hand you say Jesus had no beginning. He was never created or born from God. Meaning there God is not the Father of Jesus. Then you imply that God has a father/son relationship with himself. I am going to have to ask you to take this somewhere else. I have grown weary of your nonsense and dishonesty.

            • iscamer

              So, I am getting disfellowshiped? 🙂
              It is your board, so I respect your decision. I do wish all of you the best.

            • e.v.g

              Maistro, you don’t want to believe the truth, you want to keep believing lies I don’t know what is in your mind.

            • iscamer

              The truth is all I care about. I wasted most of my life following my own creed. I sat on the kings throne. Once I hit bottom, then I looked for God’s help as I had no other option. I didn’t care if God was a Buddist, Hindu, Muslim or a Baptist, I was ready to take HIS direction and give up my pre-conceived notions about God. Wherever and to whomever He led me, that is where I would go. His grace, His forgiveness is truly a blessing. So you see, I didn’t choose Jesus, He chose me. I was the Ethiopian eunuch sitting on my chariot. I came to Jerusalem(religion), to find God, but He wasn’t there. Then, someone led me to Christ as Phillip did for the enuch.

              One of the most important things the Word taught me was not to follow a man or anything man-made, no organization or movement. I was to follow Him alone. If I believed as you, I would not follow Jesus Christ, in any shape or form. No man is suited for that honor, only God. Without Jesus being more than a man, then he is a fraud and the bible contradicts itself.
              That said, I do not find any value in calling people names, or justifying my own faith by calling people the spawn of Satan. If one is truly concerned about the welfare of others(as this is a life or death decision) then it requires the fruit of the spirit, not hate. I marvel at the JW organization that preaches they are the instrument of God on earth, yet they are afraid to test their faith. Instead they squash all discussion and call people names.

              Well, the Ewatchman asked me to go away, so I will do as he asks. Thanks.

            • e.v.g

              Man!!, we are just mortal men, we must subject ourselves to the one true God, He is from indefinite time and forever, we are simply nothing, the GT will show that.
              think about the e watchman message.

            • yet we are something very precious to him

            • Beverly kenyon

              Awwww. Come on mate. You got a lot of air time. You engaged with some brilliant bible minds on this site and you still weren’t getting it. At the end it all got beyond boring (yawn). But I sincerely hope some of the points brought to your attention gets through to you and you’ve taken something away to think about. I think you saw the debate as sport and a chance to show off your cleverness.

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Iscamer, there is still hope for you. Once the SHTF and you realize your not included in the rapture you may recall some of the things discussed here. The truth will be in every ones faces all at once then you will get to decide.

            • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

              Unfortunately escamer .you won’t be part of the rapture. Just part of the rupture!

            • iscamer

              All who believe in the name of Jesus will be saved. Those who do not honor the Son as they honor the Father will be in for a sober surprise. His words, not mine.

            • Song of Hannah

              I don’t believe you. Actions speak louder than words. If you were truly had a sincere heart, you would have either rejoiced in the answers you received, or moved on if you felt you were coming up empty. But instead you stayed and argued the same points over & over. That’s the behavior of someone wanting to wear down their opponent, or getting off on a high of narcissistic supply. And when that doesn’t work, oh then let’s make them feel guilty! Yep, your actions totally expose you.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              “POW” Hannah!, Well said, psychology 101.
              When all else failed “he played the victim”.

            • well Song*, if im ever dead wrong about something, i hope u let me know so i can make the correction

            • Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

            • iscamer

              Why is this so hard for you to understand? Is it really easier for you to bring your God down to your level? Are you thoughts the same as Gods thoughts. Your ways as His?
              You made a great and life changing discovery that you can have a personal relationship with Jehovah without the WTBTS. Complete the removal of the veil over your eyes and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, for through Him alone will you be saved and have access to the Father.
              JWs used tbe KJames version for many years befor Knorr came up with the story book called the NWT. Robert, if your doctrine is true, it will stand up against any test, so test it. Read and study the correct word of God. Let the bible establish your doctrine.

              I hope and pray you will find the love and grace that is there for you.

            • iscamer

              Why cant the father son relationship exist in the trinity?

            • Merton

              Because he walked in the spirit. As we are supposed to do. He always did his Father’s will. We do not always walk in the spirit, but it is possible. I think about how pathetic I am sometimes, some of the sins I commit. And I think about how Jesus did the impossible, tested in all ways yet without sin. But it wasn’t impossible because he did it! And this allows me to truly appreciate what he did. If the Jesus I have identified from the bible is the true Jesus, then trinitarians can never appreciate what I can.

            • id have ta disagree with ya on that one merton*. Jesus was perfect and there are 144,000 who were imperfect we can relate to pluse anyone with earthly hope. Jesus was the second Adam. nobody has what Adam lost except Jesus. he can relate to us but not as far as being imperfect. unless coming from Mary somehow gave him sinful nature but as far i as understand, that not the case cause it not mentioned

            • Merton

              Jesus himself was a descendant of Adam. He inherited the exact same human nature, that Adam had when he had fallen. The Catholics teach the immaculate conception (to do with Mary being sin free) therefore Jesus would have two perfect parents but then he would not have inherited the curse upon Adam. This is of course clear as day an antichrist teaching. He had to have the curse. He had to have been able to sin. He had to overcome sin. He had to choose to forsake the flesh, and choose to walk in the spirit. And that’s exactly what he did. He showed that by walking in the spirit, you can be righteous.

              This can be ironed out very easily by answering the following question. Let’s say Jesus never sinned. Would he still be here today? Would he die by natural causes (aging etc)?

            • its not necessary to have Adam’s curse to be ‘able’ to sin, Adam didnt and neither did Satan. a perfect person can sin. – free will.

              define natural? the canopy of water was removed, diet has changed and the whole earth is out of subjection. wouldnt radiation still be harmfull to perfect humans? the standard is missed via world conditions but it wouldnt matter unless Jehovah allows One to expire.
              also, the tree of life was taken away but obviously Jehovah spirit doesnt need a tree to keep people alive.
              for the fact scripture does say Jesus was sinless, apart from being resurrected, he would not have ever died in another scenario of not being crucified unless he rejected Jehovah. Hezekiah’s life was extended, how much more Jesus’ would have continue living sinless regardless of world conditions.

              saying One who is sinless still dies, is contradictory from what scripture teaches.

              but what about those whos sins were forgiven? why were they allowed to still expire? as far as i understand, Jehovah’s the judge and we know he plans to use means of a resurrection and also there is a time not everyone will have ever died.

              im sure many of Paul’s sins had been forgiven yet he was denied three time for his thorn to be removed and he still went to the grave yet for a resurrection

            • iscamer

              Right, so who should we remain in?

            • Bklyn Kevin
            • James

              Because sans 1914 and problems endemic to mankind, it’s the congregation of Christ!

  • Alexandra Bogolin Bautista

    Hello! This is my first post. I’m so excited that there are other people out there who sound like me! I’ve also been asking myself if or how I should preach in the ministry. I’m an active jw, but I turn in low hours because I’m not really spreading a WT gospel, and my freeness of speech is definitely super filtered at the hall. Robert, you mentioned “the questioner betrayed his own mindset” and asked if “you would do it if God asked you to?” But God doesn’t ask us to lie or falsely prophesy. You yourself are not teaching 1914. (Thank you!) By exposing the prophesy fallacies, are you interfering with the operation of error by exposing it? What IS an awake witness to do? I just stick to main things in my public ministry, but I’m totally itching to broach these deeper subjects with my brothers and sisters….because I love truth….and LOGIC. 1914 NEVER resonated with me, and now I know why!

    • Welcome sister Alexandria to Robert’s humble little corner of the Internet. Where truth abounds ! Looking forward to hearing more from you. Jehovah is gathering the lovers of Truth ! Once again welcome sister !!!

      • Alexandra Bogolin Bautista

        Thanks for posting that commentary. Exactly what I needed to hear.

    • Sam

      It certainly is difficult being an active witness while knowing these things. Your point about lying and falsely prophesying though…you have no need to. It’s hard to practice but Robert often mentions the verse about being “cautious as serpents yet innocent as doves” we can avoid the things our conscience wont allow. You pretty much answered your own question though, you stick to the main teachings the important things like Jehovah’s word, the truth, the hope, and the things we treasure. They are the things that are going to let others build faith in Jehovah. For now we leave the big things up to Jehovah.. try to plant a few things here and there, get our brothers to learn how to reason and rely on Jehovah instead of man. You’re not alone, it’s a struggle. Especially with family, we tend to be open but then at the same time we don’t want to wreck the faith of others. I guess we are all figuring it out and making sense of the situation as we go along. The thing to remember is Jehovah knows how hard this situation is for us

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Welcome Alexandra glad to have you with us.

      Excerpt from How can active Jehovah’s Witnesses deal with 1914? https://e-watchman.com/how-to-deal-with-1914/

      QUESTION: Robert, How can active Jehovah’s Witnesses who read and agree with your conclusion on 1914, and all the other truths you bring to light, go and preach 1914, or how could you preach this to a new Bible study? It seems that active JW’s would have great difficulty pretending to go along with direction from the Watchtower, if they believed in their heart that it was false. So, what do you do now as a active JW, if you stay your faith in the system has been compromised, and if you leave where do you go? If you speak out, your kicked out. This seems like a very depressing situation to be in.

      ANSWER: By faith. It requires faith in God to go forward despite difficulties and obstacles. (Not faith in a “system.”)

      Keep in perspective that the 1914 hoax exists for a reason; namely, to test each one’s love of the truth. Although the so-called “operation or error” (Now termed a “deluding influence) originates with Satan the Devil and an earthly man of lawlessness who exists within Christ’s spiritual “system”, it only exists because God allows it to exist. Isn’t that what the apostle wrote? – “So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie…”

      If God makes an allowance for a lie to predominate for a specific purpose then we who are aware of the lie cannot be held responsible for the fact that the lie exists. True, the organization may persecute those who do not believe the lie, but so what? Were not Christ and his apostles persecuted by the Jews, who were at the time God’s people?

      Eventually they will have to answer to God, the same as us. Again, isn’t that what Paul stated: “That they may all be judged”?.

      What about those who do not believe 1914?https://e-watchman.com/believe-1914/

      A Conversation Regarding 1914 (Spoof)https://e-watchman.com/conversation-regarding-1914-spoof/

      • Burt Reynolds

        So the truth is hidden in a lie? When the test of faith comes the faithful but deluded witnesses must discern the difference? On what will their faith then be based? What evidence will they be given so that in that moment, they will see as we may do, the truth and the deception. The enormity of a change in faith at that moment may be insurmountable for faithful ones who at this time are chained into a belief system that controls their mind and thinking like a vice. Look at the evidence…the blindness now seen amongst the witnesses. They cannot with all the evidence to hand see the faults. They are led. They are controlled, their reasoning eroded. How few wake up from this malaise. And how many will remain in faith to the lie because of this? Can someone shed light for me please from the bible?

        • ewatchman

          The WT says that the sign of Christ cannot occur more convincingly in the future. In other words, they say it is impossible that there could be another world war, pestilence and food shortages that would indicate that Christ is at the door. So, it will be a fairly simple thing to discern. After all, a world war is pretty hard to ignore. But, will the WT acknowledge that they have misled the flock as regards 1914? Highly doubtful. Jehovah’s Witnesses will have to break with Bethel if they want to follow Christ.

        • Song of Hannah

          Based on this prophecy in Isaiah, I believe there will be many who will understand.

          Isaiah 49:20-22: The sons born when you were bereaved will say in your hearing, ‘This place is too cramped for me. Make room for me to dwell here.’ And you will say in your heart, ‘Who has fathered these for me, Since I am a woman bereaved of children and barren, Exiled and taken prisoner? Who has raised these? Look! I was left all alone, So where have these come from?’” This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “Look! I will raise up my hand to the nations, And I will lift up my signal to the peoples. They will bring your sons in their arms And carry your daughters on their shoulders.”

          The fascinating thing is, once Jehovah unlocks the key of understanding by discerning that his people are in full need of reproof, the scriptures open up to a whole new level of understanding. I can’t stop reading my Bible now, it’s become like a whole new book!

          • Burt Reynolds

            Hello Hannah, to whom and when does this prophesy apply please? Best wishes.

            • Song of Hannah

              Thanks Burt, I understand it to be the righteous, who are gathered together after the punishment of his people, during the true presence of Christ. But someone please correct me if they believe I am mistaken, here. Thanks! 🙂

          • Alexandra Bogolin Bautista

            I feel the same way now about the Bible! I love reading the Bible. It’s very exciting!!

    • Erik

      Hello Alexandra,
      Welcome to this website. Hope you find it as insightful, interesting and rewarding as have so many of us. I am replying to you because there are similarities to what you’re feeling and what many of us have felt when we first realized something didn’t seem right. Especially when it comes to bible prophecies. For myself, even during the early 70’s while still a teenager I found it very difficult to accept that the interpretation of the book of Daniel in the “Your Will Be Done” book made any sense. Whenever I did bring up the subject I was reminded that this “spiritual insight” was directly from God’s faithful and discreet slave which was basically the same as questioning Jehovah himself. The fact is, I meant no disrespect but it simply didn’t seem logical to me. However, being a model witness I decide to keep quiet and from that point on, keep those thoughts to myself. To be sure, there is much good that has been accomplished by the organization, however, it is also abundantly clear that they have also created much harm and it appears, caused many to stumble. Throughout my journey in life as being a model JW I served where the need was great both inside and outside the US, book study conductor, ministry school conductor, more public talks than I can recall and participated in judicial matters.
      But a little over 10 years ago, I went through some personal inner questions. Not only about the interpretation of future events but the most difficult part of what I was experiencing was how the organization handled disfellowshipping and shunning. I especially was feeling guilty because I had been a part of what I later realized was an unloving, unmerciful and harsh approach to many that did not deserve such treatment. True, some were without question needed to be disfellowshipped however, in looking back, many, perhaps most, could had been handled in a much more understanding, loving and merciful manner. The more time passed the more guilty I felt. I was at a point I was ready to “fade away”. About that same time I came across this website. At first I was skeptical but the more I prayed about it and the more I read the easier it became for me to accept the fact that the interpretation of biblical prophecies found here seemed more logical than what I was taught. So you ask the question:

      What IS an awake witness to do? I just stick to main things in my public ministry, but I’m totally itching to broach these deeper subjects with my brothers and sisters.

      I can only share with you my thoughts and perhaps it may help you with your decision.
      I came to realize that if things unfold in the future completely different than what has been taught that many members of the organization will become confused and feel lost. In fact, I believe that many will use that as an excuse to stop being a Christian. That being the case I realized that I can best help these friends and family by being prepared to explain things when it all unfolds.
      Even now, I will on occasions, as discretely and non-threatening as I can, ask the question. “Humm, what do you think would happen if the Great Tribulation unfolds in a way that is completely unexpected?” “What about you? What would you do and would it stop you from doing the things you know are right?” All I’m doing is planting the seed. The most important aspect is helping people realize that their loyalty to Jehovah takes precedence over any loyalty to any organization. Therefore, I personally believe that living a Christian life (with nothing to be ashamed of) and staying within the organization will do more good both now, but especially in the future. Yes, the time will come where many are going to feel lost and perhaps even betrayed. What will they do? Who will help them? I encourage you to stay within the organization knowing the time will soon come when you may, very well, help many when they need it most. Best wishes.

      • Alexandra Bogolin Bautista

        Thank you for taking your time to respond. I was DFed 13 years ago for a total of 18 months, despite being very repentant. We (my now husband and I) immediately told on ourselves, but the elders felt DFing was necessary. I fell into a severe depression and regularly contemplated suicide. After writing 6 letters for reinstatement (we also got married immediately) the CO had to finally intervene on my behalf. It was definitely a challenge, but I have so much more compassion and empathy for people who simply make mistakes. That’s just a snippet of my story. Actually being formerly DFed has nothing to do with my recent searching and journey for understanding and truth. But as I said earlier, I’m thankful to have found a group who still believe Jehovah is Almighty God and Jesus is his Son and WT doesn’t have all the answers and our brothers and sisters are very precious.

        • Kevin b

          It’s very good to have you here Alexandra. It’s tricky to know what to do after doing something wrong. The elders can’t read hearts and the bible says not to judge one another, so what scriptural right do they have to discipline anyone. They are not capable of judgement, as you said, you were very repentant. We are told to go to the brothers for help. In my experience many times they say enough time hasn’t past yet since the wrong doing to show fruits of repentance. So either way you’re taking a chance. Some brothers are kind and some are not, they are wolves in sheeps clothing. For me, I’m not going to put my standing in the congregation up to the elders in my hall, I don’t trust them at all. I’m glad you are doing well now and were not stumbled by the power hungry brothers. Two of my favorite qualitys for a JW is compassion and empathy. So many are just down right self righteous. Thanks for sharing some of your story. Welcome to the group.

        • Leonard k

          truly no man can DF any one from Jehovah except for the father. no man can take away the gift of an accurate knowledge and your relationship with our heavenly father. keep this in mind and let no one stumble you.

          • Kevin b

            It’s true no man can DF you from Jehovah. The problem is being DFed from the congregation. It’s a very unloving thing. Yet all JWs are convinced that they are being loyal to Jehovah. Imagine walking into a room full of people who are/were your friends. Nobody looks directly at you or talks to you. This is some kind of jacked up psychological warfare. My god Jehovah would not agree with this tactic, but the God of this system would, Satan. Satan has a lot of control of the men in charge at the branch, that is evident by this horrible practice. No wonder so many have been stumbled, or worst yet commit suicide. I can see Satan with my minds eye sitting back with his arms crossed, laughing his ass off, saying, they think they are being loyal to Jehovah! It makes me sick. It’s gonna be a great day when the Watchtower is no more.

            • Leonard k

              you are so correct but in light of these things we must remember to think not in worldly terms as to be frightened or angry but instead take these things with a grain of salt and not let these matters weigh us down. I know the world has many stumbling blocks for us all but we can over come them all by thinking like jesus does and by following his example. there was a time I always thought to my self why all these problems always me but what a silly way of thinking that really was. we can accomplish so much more with out pain if we just learn to change our way of thinking and put our full faith in Jehovah and jesus Christ.

            • Sam

              I agree. I’m trying to think more and more about how Jesus dealt with the sheep and lived in subjection to the corrupt system aware of it’s faults and not being misled hanging on their words but yet still kept a positiveand refreshing message/attitude. It’s really a marvelous example, but alas we fall short. I’m certainly not good at imitating Christ in this way. May Jehovah be patient with us

            • Leonard k

              we are capable of more then you realize. the key is to change your way of thinking but start doing it with a glad heart open your mind to what the truth really means for it means more then we are realizing. Jehovah is so much more glorious then we can emagine and his word a beautiful complex wonder but he enlightens us so that we may understand his word and he strengthens us so that we may carry it.

            • e.v.g

              Jesus forgive mary and not add any established procedure after that, (Luke 7:38-50) but that’s not the case with the unrepentant (1Cor 5:11)
              after all if someone does not want to talk to a sincerely repentant , that problem will be that person, it doesn’t matter if they speak to you or not.

            • Kevin b

              My point is, the elders can not read someone’s heart, and can not truly tell if someone is repentant or not.

              Matthew 18:15 “Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go and reveal his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. 17 If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector.

              How were tax collectors really treated in bible times?

              Luke 5:27 Now after this, he went out and saw a tax collector named Leʹvi sitting at the tax office, and he said to him: “Be my follower.” 28 And leaving everything behind, he rose up and began to follow him. 29 Then Leʹvi spread a big reception feast for him in his house, and there was a large crowd of tax collectors and others who were dining with them. 30 At this the Pharisees and their scribes began murmuring to his disciples, saying: “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?” 31 In reply Jesus said to them: “Those who are healthy do not need a physician, but those who are ill do. 32 I have come to call, not righteous people, but sinners to repentance.

              How would you treat a tax collector today? I for one wouldn’t be a jerk or shun them for fear of making them mad and they could charge me more tax. How are disfellowshipped ones treated in the congregation? A wrong doer in the congregation today is shunned by the congregation. Jesus acted as a doctor to heal the sinner and showed love. The elders and congregation need to show love to all men especially at the Kingdom Hall, if a sinner wants to be there. I’m not saying to socialize with bad people, or hang out with fornicators out side of the Kingdom Hall. We know what the bible says about bad association. But everybody deserves respect that wants to serve Jehovah, especially at his house of worship. The tax collector in Luke 5 was not shunned. The branch goes above and beyond the things written. 1 Cor. 4:6 Now, brothers, these things I have applied to myself and A·polʹlos for your good, that through us you may learn the rule: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” so that you may not be puffed up with pride, favoring one against the other.

              You quoted, 1Co 5:11. But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.

              Notice it says anyone called a brother. It doesn’t say a father, mother, uncle, aunt, or your actual brother or sister. It’s not talking about your family members. It talking about your brother in the faith. The scripture goes on to say not even eating with such a man. It doesn’t say to stop talking to him, or to shun him. It says stop eating with him, which means stop socializing with him. Once again bad association spoils useful habits.

              The branch holds family’s hostage until you are willing to submit to their rules. They have the nerve to call this being loyal to Jehovah. In reality its being loyal to a man made organization, run by Satan, who twist the scriptures to fit their masters unloving agenda.

            • e.v.g

              I guess we would not greet the fds because they are now “pushing ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ” (2John 9-11) We only judge by appearances, that’s what the Org. wants to see.

      • Kevin b

        Just curious, are you still an elder? I was for a time, but now, after what I know I think it would be too difficult. I enjoyed your post.

      • Leonard k

        satan most certainly has his agents in gods house but I have a glad heart that Jehovah also has his messengers there as well. keep planting those seeds brother may Jehovah bless all of your efforts and protect you while doing so.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Why remain in an organisation that is causing so much harm and needless death? It seems that you are proposing this is the correct thing to do, yet it goes against all that Jehovah shows is the mark of a Christian. Ministry is upholding this organisation and is drawing some into it who may well be stumbled later because of it and thus suffer the consequences. You are disfellowshipped and so presumably cannot go on the ministry. How do you stand when the end comes? How do you come to know what is required of you at that time? I was baptised in 1971 and faded away due to circumstances still to painful to write about. I have been drifting some 20 years now but I still remain in search of God and his righteousness. How do I reconcile the purity of God and his pure demands on us were I to go back to the very thing he is to destroy? Sodom was destroyed for the same things now seen in the watchtower. I want my relationship to be pure with God and not to be identified with an organisation that sullies the name of God. The early Christians had to get out of Jerusalem. They had to get out if they did not want to share in her sins. The prophets of God were always clear and you claim to be anointed. Your arguments and explanations are certainly insightful and I have no wish to challenge you or what you say because of that. Yet I am seeking that clarity and Jehovah is always clear at the correct time. Several people have asked if they are to remain with the witnesses at this time but you have not answered these questions. The truth is not to be found with the witnesses. Will not God direct us who seek his kingdom at the due time? Why would he be looking for us supporting the watchtower? It is true Jesus went to the temple and abided by the customs of the time. But he did not promote such. When he went to the temple he spoke truth. He turned out the money changers. If we were to do the same in the Kingdom Halls we too would be thrown out. Jesus was killed because of his teaching. He did not support the temple processes but used only the building as a place to preach. He said give to Caesar his due, not connive with him. Witnesses are not free to speak truth in the Kingdom Halls or in the ministry or even to each other. I am confused. I am not seeking conflict here, but like the Boreans I seek truth but the wordsmiths are not clear even in things as simple as this one point. All the bible speaks of getting out of wrongdoing. Those that go back to it are portrayed as dogs to their own vomit. Your explanations smell of truth and I seek clarity. Please clarify the points you are making here and with regards to the question posed by Alexandra above.

        • Song of Hannah

          You didn’t ask for my viewpoint, but I’d like to share how I’ve come to reconcile the paradox. Yes, Jesus went to the temple and he spoke truth. And he turned out the money changers. But for the first 30 years, there is no record of him doing these things. Yes, he questioned the religious leaders in the temple as a child, but there is not one word of him ever teaching, overturning or challenging them. He lived in a deplorable spiritual situation at that time, and for 30 years, he never tried to change it. Think about it. All that time, with him knowing the absolute and complete truth of God, far more than we even are blessed to understand now – and for 30 years, he did absolutely nothing to change things. What humility and forbearance!

          Why did he take no action, for the first 30 years of his life? I think, it was not Jehovah’s time. It was His purpose, to keep that system in place, flawed as it was, up until the exact moment that the Christ was to appear. But when it was time to act, Jesus did. So, following our Lord’s same example, we too keep quiet, waiting patiently on Jehovah’s timetable.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Thanks for your view Hannah. Jesus did teach during his early years by example and by his knowledge. The scriptures said the Pharisees were ‘astounded ‘ at his knowledge. So they certainly were challenged if nothing else. His teaching was clear in that they would have understood where their own failings were and been reminded of their own lies and posturing from the scripture. Christs answer always being prefixed by, it is written. This is why they eventually killed him because Christ exposed them for what they were. When Christ was talking about being in his fathers house, it was pertaining to what the temple stood for, not what it was or had become. The bible remarks on how his early life showed clearly how Christ led by example if not by actual preaching as you note. However, it may be unreasonable to assume that just as witness children do today, Christ would not have given witness where he could…as he said to his mother on being lost for three days from them, that he was about his fathers business…in the temple. For three days. Was he soaking up the traditions of the pharrasees or arguing the toss with them. How did they become ‘astounded’ as his knowledge ? No action took place for the first 30 years of his life as to be accepted by the people, as was the tradition at the time, he had to be 30 years old to be recognised by the people as a priest or teacher, however they saw him to be. However, it is clear from the scriptures that he was already known as the man from Gallilee. Yes, we should wait on Jehovah’s due time. My question is though, should we be doing this in the Kingdom Hall? What about those already disfellowshipped who cannot go back in unless they accept the forgiveness of the governing body and accept their lies as truth? How could they do this whe the watchman himself said that christians were tried at the colluseum by just being asked to put a little incense on the fire. Is not recanting truth for lies the same thing to return to the Kingdom Hall? Why should those already in, continue in such a place where children are made vulnerable, where truth is denied and where family are shunned…where the shepherds do not go after the lost sheep, but scorn them and throw them in the trash as shown on JW.org? Christ did not stay in the temple. His work was in the wilderness…where we or at least I am, not knowing where to go or who to believe. That’s why I have asked of the watchman for his credentials as did the Boreans. I hope he answers. Best wishes.

            • e.v.g

              Love is the answer, (Matt 22:37-40) We are not loving God and neighbor as we should, and we hesitate to do things for them.
              Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous. It does not brag, does not get puffed up, does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

            • e.v.g

              Jehovah is our best example of love (John 3:16) also Jesus is our best example to follow, unfortunately there are many wolves inside the Org. making stumble others, this is not God’s fault, others are only victims of this unjust system and imperfection, although Jehovah wants to see our true motivations.

            • Song of Hannah

              I agree Burt, the congregations at this time are in a deplorable condition. But it was much the same when Jesus was on the earth. Surely the money changers at the temple were worthy of being thrown out well before Jesus took up his ministry. But there is no record that he ever took any action against them before then. And I am certain he also saw many other abuses and falsehoods as well. Yes, he wasn’t yet 30, but all that means is he was limited by Jehovah’s time table, again, much like we are. Yet there he was, still worshipping with his family at the temple. Obviously, he must have kept quiet, otherwise they surely would have killed him much earlier than they did.

              As far as Robert and his credentials, I agree, taking the example of the the Boreans I too have seriously & prayerfully considered this in light of the scriptures. I actually had discovered on my own from Bible reading. that Jehovah was determined to punish his people, just before stumbling onto his site (was googling up explanations of the scripture about the “two witnesses”).

              Firstly, like you, I too can see, that the ring of the truth is undeniable in his writings. But I also have considerd his actions. He has been doing this for years, tirelessly, with very little results. And yet, he has not given up. But neither has he swung the other way, and been guilty of creating a sect. To not have succumbed to either of these plights, is not something one ever sees, and it convinces me that he has to be driven by Jehovah’s spirit.

              True, he is not a perfect man, And some have stumbled over that fact. Because somewhere they got the idea (not from scripture) that to be annointed you must be flawless. (And many people, driven by narsissism, are looking for that perfect person to attach themselves to, in order to bask in their glory, and of course are always dissapppointed once reality demolishes the grandios high they were getting from the fantasy, but I digress).

              Another thing I consider is the scriptures themselves. They stipulate that Jehovah would have an annointed class that would feed his sheep. Yet God has always provided a means of caring & feeding his people, even if they were in pits & dungeons. And many of those disfellowshipped/disassociated/stumbled are indeed in that condition, here.

              And too, God has always provided someone to cry out the warning, before his people were punished. Always. So this has been my reasoning. But of course, you will have to come to your own discision, regarding this.

              I also understand, how some disfellowshipped (like Robert) are stuck, as they cannot lie and recant what they know to be the truth. Like Joseph, they are improsoned against their will, due to the actions of their very own brothers. But remember, later his brothers repented, and Joseph even became instrumantal in saving their very lives.

              But others have kept quiet regarding their knowledge, in order to continue freely walkimg about among God’s people, so they will have freeness of speech among them, when things finally do implode. Much like Esther who kept quiet until the right time came, to expose Hamaan. Or David, who waited on Jehovah to judge Saul, rather than taking actions into his own hands, against the annointed of Jehovah.

              Anyhow, this all said, I think the most important step in order to gain clarity, is to dive into the scriptures, and read and meditate prayerfully on them daily, several hours a day, if possible, without ceasing. This is where Jehovah gives true clarity, insight, direction, and peace of mind.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Thank you Hannah, you are very kind to reply. It is difficult through all this time to get an understanding of the term announced. Erik put it very well to me in that it is a personal issue between that one and Jehovah. I agree as I said that Jehovah has appointed prophets before to speak his words, but in the same breath says not to put your faith in man. The difference being I suppose , to ensure that they speak from the scriptures. This seems to me to be Roberts credentials. Not only that, but there are others, and I think that Erik is one, are actually still serving within the congregation which to me is amazing as all the years I was in the organisation, I never met one person who had knowledge and reason such as he has shown to me. I suppose Gloucestershire in England is not the best place for an Abundance of knowledge! I am saddened to see that others snap at each other on this site and cannot discuss with kindness but I suppose we are all human and must wait on Jehovah to gain a greater insight. I don’t know if I can go back to a congregation here. I am not disfellowshipped but going back is hard. Maybe time will tell. Thank you for your reply. Best wishes.

          • Thanks Hannah, really appreciate your viewpoints on this, very interesting indeed!

        • Erik

          Hello Burt,
          Not sure if you meant to address your message to me since you brought up two points that were inconsistent with the message I wrote.
          The first is regarding being disfellowshipped and the second regarding being anointed.
          As regards the DF’d issue I mentioned that I had been at the other end of that.
          There were several instances where I both supported and encouraged a disfellowshipping when, in looking back, that should not had been the case. I, along with many others, were under the false belief that we were simply showing “zeal” when in fact, we were overlooking the primary theme taught in the Bible of showing kindness and mercy. Perhaps after being a witness to so many of these incidents and becoming older and more appreciative of what truly is the priority of life (which is displaying love – 1 Corinthians Chapter 13) and coupled with having become a grandfather did I realized that the “sheep” were often times being needlessly dealt with harshly. To this very day I am filled with deep remorse when I think back on some of these cases. Yes, there were times when DF’ing was clearly warranted, but too many were not. I often pray that I would be forgiven for the damage that might had been irreversibly created. Fortunately, over the years there have been occasions where I had expressed that to the person I felt I had wronged. Wish I could do that for each and every case but I realize that will not be possible. At least, not in this system. That is in large part one of the main reason I had decided to continue to stay with the organization.
          There have been much written on “why stay with the Watchtower” on this website and I personally believe the points are valid. I don’t believe there is much I could add to it except my own personal reasons to do so.
          I believe the points brought out by “Song of Hannah” are also reasonable which also explains why some choose to remain with the organization. I also read your reply and can appreciate why the decision to remain seems troubling to you and I’m sure to many others.
          Each of us will have to decide that question for ourselves.
          For myself, while it’s true the organization has done much good throughout the years it cannot be overlooked the damage that it has created and continues to create. But of course, we know there are several cases throughout history where the leaders of God’s nation (organization) were responsible for creating much harm and damage to the sheep they should had been taking care of. Who can forget the sons of Eli? As priests, both Hophni and Phinehas were considered “good for nothing men”. They not only ate the food that should had been sacrificed to Jehovah but they actively stole from the people. If that were not enough they both committed gross sexual immorality at the entrance of the tabernacle. (I suppose the equivalent of either a kingdom hall or Bethel today). And what about King Ahaz? He was responsible for turning many away from the worship of Jehovah. He not only worshipped the false idols but went as far as sacrificing his own sons in the fire. (1 Kings 16) And there are many other examples.
          Did Jehovah abandon the nation because of these wicked leaders? Only much later did that come about.The same is soon to happen again. But until then….
          The day will soon come when many of JW’s are going to be afraid, confused and feel lost because things are happening that they were not expecting. Many of them are my friends and family.
          Can I be helpful when that time arrives? I can’t say for sure but I hope I will be by reminding them that their loyalty to God does not depend on what happens to this organization or any other organization. I’m sure some will listen but equally sure that many will not and the true colors of each one will be revealed.
          As mentioned on this website, the organization will have served its purpose just like the Jewish system served its purpose but was also done away with.
          Meanwhile, I continue to serve and do my best to help any “sheep” that are in need. Doing my best to lead not by words only but by example. At the same time I will occasionally make the point (as discreetly as possible) that our relationship with Jehovah should, and must be, the primary focus of our lives, not an organization. So to be clear, knowing what lies ahead, I feel it necessary to stay so as to quietly and discreetly, prepare my friends and family for what is to occur. And to be there for when it does.
          Finally, as for the matter of being anointed, I believe you must have me mistaken for someone else.My hope is to live on a Paradise earth to greet back many dear love ones whom I have lost throughout the years and, among many things, to go fishing with the grandkids.
          Best wishes to you and how you choose to direct your life.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Hello Erik, no, my message were meant to be addressed to Robert King, who makes the claim for being anointed…with insight if not in the conventional manner assumed by JWs. This is my first time in this site and I am not very clever with the mechanics of the iPad. I have difficulty in the question discussed with regard to staying in the organisation, the vast differences in opinion and how this may affect our relationship with Jehovah. Robert says that he is disfellowshipped, yet recommends that people remain in the congregation. Well, what about Roberts salvation? Ergo, is it necessary to remain in the congregation or is it a matter of choice. How would Robert or any of the millions of disfellowshipped brothers and sisters be aware of Jehovah’s instructions to his people at that time in order to ‘flee’, to ‘get out of her’. Like the Boreans, I too am wary of anyone who would say they are anointed of gods spirit in understanding the bible, as this is and was the very claim of the governing body. The choice of our understanding is only led part way and the final decision is left to us. This may be the right thing to do, but one cannot deny that anyone who explains,….teaches…will create a following and a dependency for more of the same from those, like me, do not have this deep insight. Is this not the very reason for the prophets? Jesus was clear in his direction. Robert is explaining the scripture in a manner I have not ever heard. I have not read of a contradiction in this site! I suppose I am asking, what is truth? Many have left the organisation, and we see in many sites, the others that Robert speaks of who are vehemently against staying in the organisation and direct people away from it. Are not those leaving, as I suppose I am finally doing in my mind, having physically drifted away some years ago, now in danger themselves, not aware of the seemingly scriptural advice to stay and accept and work from within? I have a sister and a brother in law how is an elder whom I want to help too. Thank you for your reply Erik. I am desperate for answers, for clarity….who can make a descision with so many contradictions? If someone does not speak out, who will know the truth? Best wishes.

            • Erik

              Hello Burt,
              I’ve been following your comments and I would like to share with you my thoughts on some of the points that you brought up. Like yourself, I had been a part of the organization since the mid 60’s. We have both experienced a lot during our life. Hopefully, these experiences has made us wiser and better persons.
              You made the statement “so the truth is hidden in a lie?”
              What is happening today is similar to what happened in the first century. Many Jews were aware that the Messiah was due to appear at any time but still the majority did not recognize it when he actually came. Why is that? How could the majority had overlooked that, especially those who were well versed in the scriptures?
              We know of course it was because they had preconceived ideas on how things were to unfold. Even Jesus own follows were under the belief that the kingdom would soon overthrow the Roman Empire and start ruling. It was not until after he died that they understood it had a spiritual application.
              It is the same today Burt. While the organization has served a purpose (like the Jewish system) it will soon become evident that it no longer serves a purpose.
              So that ties in with your comment:
              “When the test of faith comes the faithful but deluded witnesses must discern the difference?”
              Yes, it will be a test because things will unfold far differently than expected. But isn’t that what also happened in the first century?
              So who opened up the hearts and minds of those who did recognize that Jesus was the foretold messiah?
              Wasn’t that Jehovah? Of course, not everyone was given that insight. It was only those whose hearts were rightly disposed. The same will be true in the future. Will all who call themselves JW’s discern what will be happening? Not any more than all first century Jews discerned what was happening then either.
              So then, who will be the ones who will be guided by Holy Spirit to discern what will be happening? Won’t that decision be left to Jehovah? Would it not be those whom he finds as acceptable and approved by him? That would seem to be the logical conclusion.
              We know that at that time, those who will be taking the lead in guiding others will “shine as brightly as the sun” (Daniel chapter 11&12). It is my belief that will be the approved anointed ones. But even then, it appears that even among the JW’s not everyone will discern the things that are taken place. Of course, that because it’s part of the separating that was foretold to take place.
              That leads us to an important point. Do you believe that being approved is contingent upon being a member of an organization? Paul pointed out that it was not those who were Jews in the flesh that made a person approved by God but those who were “Jews” in the heart. Likewise, all those who are approved by Jehovah will not be based on whether they are part of an organization. Wouldn’t it seem reasonable that it is entirely based on one’s heart condition which includes following his instructions as outlined in his word?
              Yes, we all desire to know exactly what will take place in the future but we need to ask ourselves. Which is more important, knowing exactly how things will unfold in the future or perhaps not knowing but being an approved servant in the eyes of Jehovah and his son?
              Paul made it very clear in 1 Corinthians chapter 13 that it’s not “What one knows” that makes a person acceptable to God but rather “Who one is”.

              It is for that reason I personally have taken a wait and see approach to what may happen.I do not wish for that to be the consuming part of my life. Rather, it is the following of his instructions that I have focused on. The rest, in time, will take care of itself. But like many, one cannot help but wonder which person out there has the accurate information.
              I will share my thoughts on that.
              Over the years I have come across various ones who claim to be of the anointed and are being led by Holy Spirit to reveal spiritual information at the proper time. Interestingly, some of them are completely contrary to one another. So then, who is right and who is wrong? The fact is, we just don’t know for sure at this time.
              Although I personally believe the information presented on this website is the most logical and reasonable that I have come across I believe it would be unwise to completely dismiss all the others as being false.
              And if they profess to be of the anointed who am I to say they are not? Should I question their love for God?
              Rather than make that assumption I believe it is best to just wait and let Jehovah reveal that in his own time. Recall that even Jesus would not bring a word of rebuke against Satan but left that in the hands of Jehovah. (Jude)
              How much more so then, for me, as a mere mortal would challenge the claim of anyone who professes to be of the anointed class? And even if one is not, that should not give anyone the permission to belittle or ridicule another person. That is clearly not the Christian way. The fact is we probably all have some kind of idea of how we believe things will unfold but what I have come to appreciate over the past several years is that we should all be prepared for anything. In other words, be prepared for the unexpected. As mentioned earlier, it is not what one knows that makes a person approved.
              Despite its flaws, I choose to remain in the organization so I can still be a part of helping the sheep that are in need. But my biggest motivation is to stay close to my friends and family who are soon to experience hardships and confusion at a scale they would never had imagined would be possible.
              Each of us have to decide on our own what they believe is best and act accordingly.
              Naturally, each of us should give that a matter of prayer and keep asking that Jehovah reveals to us what really is the priorities of life as defined by the scriptures. I have concluded that while it is nice to know what the future may reveal it is not, at least in my opinion, the priority of life. How do we stand before Jehovah? That seems to me to be a far more important question.
              I wish you the best on whatever you decide is best for you.
              Erik

            • Burt Reynolds

              Dear Erik, I will call you brother. For years, too many to recall, I have been of the opinion that Jehovah is more merciful than his people. I have sought peace in the creation, in the wonders of design, the varieties , the sheer glory of what has been accomplished from the whale with a heart the size of a small car, to the humming bird with a heart like grapefruit pip, from leaves that make food from light….how appropriate….to roots that can draw water up hundreds of feet to the uppermost leaf of a giant redwood. Last night I lay awake in bed praying that Jehovah would give me truth in this sea of confusion. I am grateful that I have never wavered from my belief in him and that when all else was lost, there was his creation that stood sentilnel of his existence for me. I have read you words. In fact, I have spent the last two hours reading your replies to many. I have read reason in your words. I have put my faith in words before and not until I felt the actions of those words did I realise they were lies and that there was no truth in them. Thus I drifted not knowing where Jehovah may be and who made me….who made flesh that can think and have emotions. I have learnt not to put faith in man for the very reasons you state, but your words from the bible, supported by the bible carry and convey the word of Jehovah. God raised up men to speak his truth and so I must put faith in the vessel and see it for what it is. I have asked for Jehovah to give me truth, should I now deny it because it has arrived via the written word? I think not. For the first time in many, so many years someone has spoken truth to me via the bible and it is so good to hear and it comes in kindness. I felt for many years since drifting, that in any event, if these were Jehovah’s people who treat the flock with such abrasive ways, that I would rather sleep in death and be at peace with Jehovah, than live in a paradise where I remain subject to the ravages of man. Now for the first time, I feel again the joy I had when I first looked at the bible fifty years ago at school and again on coming into the congregation. On those occasions my hopes were dashed as the truth was not in those who propounded to know it. This is different. Your words, though not yours, are different. They are from Gods word as found in the bible and are given reason. They are clean and unsullied, refreshing and peaceable and I have been heard. For once, someone has spoken truth to me in kindness. Thank you so much for taking time to send me the word of Jehovah.

            • Erik

              Burt,
              My friend and my brother,
              Jehovah willing, at a different time and at a difference place we will get together and share our life’s journey and become close friends. I will be looking forward to your visit in a small rural town located in the beautiful Sierra Nevada Mountains in Northern California.
              Erik

            • Burt Reynolds

              Well Erik, I went for stroll in Greenville, Quartz Valley Road wondering if I might see a house marked ‘Erik lives here’ but Google maps are not that detailed, sad to say. Anyway, I expect if you are still serving in the congregation, you need to stay cloaked. I was in California some years ago visiting Sanfransisco and Carmel area. I saw materialism and poverty on a scale I had never witnessed before, not to mention people living in fear. I had travelled down from Virginia in a Winnebago and seen many beautiful sights…the Grand Canyon, Redwood city….there are no redwoods in redwood city!! Jackson, with the arch of antlers, the praries, big sky country, the Arizona desert, New York…..learnt that if you did not tip the Chinese restauranteer he came after you with a meat cleaver….and came to know what 100% humidity is and what a REAL rainfall is like. That is enough to cure an Englishman of talking about the weather! Listening to brother Kings talk on the possibility of being bored in the new kingdom yesterday, and on my trip, looking down the Grand Canyon, I could see what he meant about the creation and in having things to do and places to live. Everything in America is on a grand scale, with trees that one can even drive a car through and canyons so deep you would have time to write a book falling down into it. What a marvellous show of creation…a mirror into the very heart of God himself. In some of the places I visited I saw trees so huge, with such abundance of seed or fruit, they were home to every living thing and food to them all. And the ground underneath was a mattress alive with food both for its guests and for itself. The cycle of life. What a wonderful and inspiring place you live in. Yes if I live through it all, I will make myself a boat and row the Atlantic and walk the across America to see you. I live in Westgate near Margate on the Canterbury road in Kent, England. The North Sea is a few hundred yards down the road. It’s not exactly like Big Sur, and the waves not often come up to your knees, but the beaches are impressive on an English scale of things. I used to work in Dover. They haven’t really repaired it since the war. This corner of Kent is a bit sad, but Canterbury still retains its beauty and the medieval walls still stand. Quite a lot went on in Canterbury cathedral in the old days, but Jehovah never visited, that’s for sure. Best wishes.

            • Erik

              Hello Burt,
              Through the use of Google maps I took a stroll of Sea Road and saw a few of the landmarks in the area. Westgate Bay, West Bay café and Westgate Pavilion to name a few. I could also make out the waves coming upon the shores. I was imagining what your walks to the north side might look and feel like. Isn’t hard to imagine feeling the gentle breeze from the shore touching my face.
              The area seems peaceful but yet active. Perhaps we will be the ones coming to visit you. Glad to hear that your visit to the US went well and was memorable.
              Yes, there is a lot to see in this big country. Jehovah’s masterful artistry is everywhere.
              And, as you correctly mentioned, I am, for the time being remaining “cloaked”.
              There are plenty of “sheep” both within the congregation (and outside of it) that are in need of support and encouragement. At times a subject such as 1914 will come up in conversation among the friends. When that happens I usually respond with a comment along the lines such as “well, that is the official understanding for now”. That is usually met with a response such as “What do you mean ‘for now’ ”?
              To which I then reply such as “If the understanding should change would you see that as a reason to no longer love Jehovah or stop following his counsel”?
              “Or what if the organization should become discredited and it no longer exist, would you suddenly stop believing in God”?
              It raises some eye brows from time to time but because of my years in the organization coupled with my experience I am able to get away with it. My goal of course is simply to plant seeds. To remind them that our relationship and approval does not depend on an organization but ultimately on the kind of person we are in the heart. I’m rather certain that you as well as many others who are visiting this website will also be doing the same work in the future if not already.
              At some point in the future, if I am still around, these are the same ones that are going to need some help in sorting out all that is happening around them. I hope to be able to do just that although I realize it is designed that way because it is really a separating work therefore not all are going to respond favorably.
              Just who will and who won’t will be revealed in its own time. I make no foregone conclusions who it may or may not be. That would be not only be inappropriate but clearly unkind and unloving.
              When I can, I enjoy coming to this website to listen to the podcasts and to read the information and some of the comments that are posted. Burt, I’m sure we will stay in touch with each other. Your brother and friend
              Erik
              Oh, by the way, on your stroll in Greenville you were less than 15 minutes away. Good detective work on your part!
              Hint: visit “Lake Almanor”. It’s even closer.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Eric, I have a sister and a brother in law in the organisation. They have been in it from about 1969. My brother in law was a professional person with his own business. He is an elder in the congregation. Just to show how deep in they are, when he retired he bought a house that had been left to the congregation so that the money from it could be freed up to the organisation. I have not spoken to him of the new things I have learnt since finding this site and others as yet. Not that it is easy to speak with them as I am shunned and will be more so since this last convention on persecuting those that have fallen away as I have fallen away. Before this, when he has spoken with me, the most he can come up with by way of a witness is ‘well…um…it’s getting worse….can’t be long now…’ He can offer no scriptures. It almost seems like a manifestation of ‘end stage’ affiliation to the organisation . I did speak with my sister not long ago and tell her that there is no scriptural basis for overlapping generations, but such statements are ignored. I told her of the false prophesies of the end of this system and she said she would ‘research them.’ I have heard nothing. What is there to research when it is standing right before you? I prayed to Jehovah last night…well, three in the morning actually, and asked how I might offer my sister and her husband the light, as I shall only get one chance at it. I was wondering how I might translate brother Robert’s YouTube talk on the watchtower into a simple letter. And then, this morning, as if to help also, I receive your letter to me with those very points made clear. If anyone else is reading this, I would like your help also. What I have learnt over the past year or so from other sites, I have come to see the rotten fruits of the organisation and the mindless cruelty that has been dealt out to the brothers and sisters. I read brother Randy Mabused’s sad story also. My heart goes out to him. These sites formed a construction, but without hope. They are without a future. They tear at the organisation and perform an awakening for many, but this is the only site that has spoken to me. I don’t know if other sites speak to brothers as this one does to me. I hope they do. I feel at last that there is an answer, and education. It would not matter if this site was filled with stones because they too would cry out for people to read if they have a mind to and tell that there is still Jehovah, that there is still a future, that there is still reason to remain faithful. I have to find a way to help the sheep as you say, and help them as I have been helped. I would like to speak with you further about the things in your letter, either here or if you prefer, via Facebook. You can find me under Mark Goddard, and our mutual friends will show the way! I will take a stroll By your lake. Best wishes to you and yours.

            • maybe click on the kingdom bulletins and read over a few and then pleasurize it in your own words

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Most brothers and sisters I speak with when given an opportunity have misdirected expectations due to the lawless one’s under the operation of Satan and this operation of error has been ongoing for more than 100 years so I suppose it will take quite a bit of time to chisel away at their foundation, I’m afraid at present all we can do is to plant seeds like Erik said and pray that Jehovah makes it grow.
              https://e-watchman.com/the-deluding-influence/https://e-watchman.com/many-will-be-stumbled-will-you-be/https://e-watchman.com/closer-look-1914/

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Eric, well I’ve done the grand tour round the lake but Google did not venture into the villages, just stuck to the main road. I did though have a look round Chester and went to the KH on volcanic legacy scenic byway but again I could not get near the entrance that I presume is off one of the back roads. All I could see was a building behind the trees. The one on north valley road nearer to Greensville was nice to see though. Lovely area. I really like the way that American communities are built on a linear plan and so spaced out. In England most if not all village shops are all next door to each other, like an American mall. Lack of space. Not so much of a problem for us though when the petrol runs out! Are you going to a convention? There is much talk on the internet about how depressing it all is, especially for the children, and how the governing body seem to be clutching at straws now. It’s very strange, reading the other sites, how many people blame Jehovah for all this wrongdoing. They are not able to separate it from the machinations of men! There is something terribly wrong about it all. Best wishes. Burt.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Erik, where are you? Best wishes. Hope you are well .

            • Erik

              Burt,
              My dear friend and brother,

              Thank you for your inquiry about my concern.
              Very kind of you.
              Before explaining what has been happening I want to mention that it has pleased me very much to read your comments on this website. I recall the days when you first were commenting on the site.
              I could sense that there was some confusion and uncertainty as to the journey of your life.
              However, I can see now that you have a much clearer outlook and regarding your future. How it encourages my heart to see that.
              Like yourself there are many who have come to this website not sure of what they may find and when finding it perhaps reluctant to embrace the information. I too was one of them. However, after much prayer and reading of the information I became convinced that the information presented here is the most logical and reasonable than anything I have come across and that included the WTBTS.
              Does that mean I am certain that things will unfold exactly as how it is explained on this website?
              The truth is, no one can be certain of anything, however as mentioned, I believe it is the most reasonable.
              I believe the most important point I have learned in the past 15 years is that we should all be prepared for any possibility. Expect the unexpected. Sadly, that is why so many JW’s will be stumbled when it all comes crashes down. They are not prepared for anything differently. But we now understand and appreciate that it is that way for a purpose.
              Ultimately of course, it is not what we know that will mark as approved by Jehovah but rather “who we are”.
              One could possibly have the information about the future completely accurate but what good is it if one if not approved by Jehovah.
              So again, I commend you and am encouraged by your new outlook and understanding of what the real priorities in life truly are.
              As for myself, I am not well. A while back I went to the ER because I became very sick.
              While I was there it was discovered that there may be something going on with my kidneys and liver.After future research it was discovered that I have stage 4 pancreatic cancer. It has spread into my kidneys, liver and lympnoids. I am currently in southern California exploring different treatment ideas.
              I decided I will not be taking chemotherapy or radiation therapy.
              I will also not be having any surgery.
              I have been on an all green vegetable juice diet which included yogurt and nuts.
              I cannot hold anything down except for these items.
              I realize it may be too little too late but I do not wish to prolong my life if it is only going to be painful.
              I’m really not afraid of dying since I am confident Jehovah will keep me in his memory. I’m more concerned about the pain by trying to prolong my life.
              My biggest concern is that I had hoped to be around when the GT begins.
              There are going to be many who are going to become confused and afraid of what is unfolding. I had hoped to be there for them.
              Yet, I realize that it is Jehovah who reads the heart and if it is his will, they will respond to the message from those who will at that time be given insight as given to them by holy spirit.
              It has been a pleasure corresponding with you and I encourage you and everyone to always remember and guard your priorities.
              I am very weak right now Burt so I do not know when, or if, you will hear from me again.
              If the treatments are successful you will hear from me again.
              If not, then at a better place and in better times we will talk again.
              Wishing you the very best.
              Erik

            • Dear Brother Erik

              May Jehovah answer you in the day of distress. May the name of the God of Jacob protect you. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/72377c910bc60cbaaf8356c4df9f4809b4c52a7d7553b23944c98c159ae7ec89.jpg

            • This man radiated of love and kindness, truly Christ like . The whole watchman family is pulling for you.

            • patri

              Tell me about it Joseph. That’s one big powerful punch the watchman family pulls. Substantial stuff happening here my brother…:D

            • Good morning Patricia,
              How is your recovery going? Your still very much in my thoughts and prayers. Try to relax and heal up soon !

              Big HUG and kiss ?
              Joseph

            • patri

              Hard to relax in hospital you know what I mean Joseph but such a comfort to know you’re all routing for me and Erik. Just read Erik’s post to Burt and my tears joined with his. My issues are not comparable with Eriks and so I want to enforce all comments to him with tremendous love from me. 😀

            • Burt Reynolds

              Keep going Patri. If you are in hospital, keep in control of your health needs. Don’t go home without help if you feel you need it. We are all thinking of you and you are in our prayers.

            • patri

              Won’t be home just yet Burt. Still sorting the waterworks before the tumour can be treated again. Its the deep tumour that couldn’t be gotten at during Saturday night operation when the largest part was removed. And pathology’s not reported the nature of the growth yet so decisions can’t be made as to how to treat it. I’ve had various comments from staff as to my positive mental attitude and being upbeat and mostly happy – till the pain kicks in – and they know my faith, I stood up to the three offers of blood transfusions. In desperation, to impress me of the efficacy of such offer my surgeon gave a good impression of Mr Bean kicking his legs up in the air and his arms above his head on receiving such a life giving infusion! I promise you I did not lol even tho I wanted to…a lot.
              The thoughts that prayers are being said is a form of healing in itself, I’m more than aware of being swathed in layer upon layer. The staff here can see the effects in my attitude not knowing of my watchman family’s loving input. I’d be bereft without you all Burt. Love you all P x

            • Song of Hannah

              So sad to hear this Brother Erik! I will pray for you but now I can’t do nothing but cry…

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hello Erick, so very,very, upset to hear about what’s happening to you. I truly can’t believe what I’m reading concerning your illness. I’m in shock!! I wondered why you went offline for a while. Even my colleague and friend asked about you and Burt last week because I told him about the friendship between you and Burt and how it was lovely to read and see it developing. I will never forget during that difficult time regarding Rose and her friend and you reasoned with me and sent me that 1Cor13:4 scripture where it talks about Love. I still have it written down in my notebook and think of that scripture from time to time. What struck me about you was how gentle you came across. And spoke sense. I wanted to listen to what you had to say. Burt is going to be devastated!! So very sorry Erik. Can’t say enough about how in shock I am. Jehovah will remember you Erik. Thinking of you and your family

            • Burt Reynolds

              Eric, I don’t know what to say. Your words when we first met were as though I had been given a crystal glass brimming with the waters of life. The difference between the watchtower and the truth was made plain. The scales on my eyes were lifted, first the scales of the world, then of the watchtower and I saw the colour of Jehovah. I have never met you, I know a little about the beautiful area you live in, but I feel as though the heart has been torn out of me. There are tears in my eyes that, well my eyes have been dry so long I never thought they would tear again. I have been a solitary person in life. I have never had a friend, truly, I have never needed one, only my wife. But you, for some reason, what it is I do not know, but it was as though Jehovah had been in your hands. Like you, there is no telling for sure what the words on this site mean but all I see is good hearted people who look for the truth.. People I envisaged from long ago would be the meek spoken of in the bible. Like you. No, we do not know how things will form, but Robert has an insight I have not seen and a knowledge I find so indepth along with many others on this site. I can feel the genuine family of man. The attacks on Robert in the Internet show a jealous, ignorant hatred that cannot be appeased and I find it distressing that ex witnesses and indeed others, feel that way and no longer search for the truth. Eric, if I can help you in some way, now or in the future for you or your family while you may be gone for a short while, then let me know how I may. Maybe you should share the heartfelt feelings of sisters and brothers on these pages with them to comfort them, knowing how loved you are. But they and every one associated with you or loves you, like we do, should know of your faith as an examplar to us all. Jehovah willing, we will yet meet on your lake side and we will remember this day. May Jehovah bless you and keep you, may he make his face to shine upon you and be merciful towards you and your family. I extend my hand to you, I extend my heart to you. Rest assured in the arms of Jehovah that what will be, will be as he promised. May Jehovah bless you in your way. With love from Burt. X

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya Burt, I know you’re absolutely devastated about what’s happening to Erik. Jehovah God in his generous kindness and love to you guided you to Brother King’s site and he provided the best friend for you while you were a bit lost in yourself and your spirituality and your long lost religion. Even though you never met in person Erik was your friend and ones here saw that friendship develop. It was a lovely thing to follow. It was only a few days ago I saw that you posted asking after Erik and it upset me. I remember thinking at the time that you were missing him. But I didn’t think for one minute that it would end up like this. Sorry also about Erik missing the GB. That’s why you have to make it through so when you both meet again you can go fishing, you, him and his grandson. Erik is right about how much you’ve grown spiritually and confident in yourself and rekindled faith. Such sad news.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya Burt, meant to say Erik is sorry about missing the GT, not GB!!!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Beverly, I kept thinking last night of Erik standing on the mountain looking out across the promised land like Moses, and suddenly I know what Moses felt and what Erik must be feeling now. I have been pleading with Jehovah and if it is within his purpose, we may hear more from Erik this side of things. I lost my first wife 29 years ago to cancer, she died faithful to Jehovah, yet deceived by the watchtower. I know the ache as many of us do. Yet I was not prepared for Erik. I hope so that he will be back soon but I am confident we will meet. Maybe too Patri was right when she said that maybe we do have a purpose here. There must be a truth. There must be a purpose. There must be a creator. There must be an end to this system of things. How could flesh evolve to be conscious and not only conscious, but conscious of a creator? What is it in our brains that holds a memory? What is intelligence if not insight and perception? What is sight? And how, without these things, can we appreciate? I read the other day that scientists are surprised to find that earth and moon are formed of the same material, after years of boasting that it all came about from one planet running into earth ….and thus they expected to find different elements on the moon. I had to laugh. Most people have at least got to verse one of Genesis. What a mockery of man’s arrogance does the bible make.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya Burt, yeah, I’m the same, can’t stop thinking of Erik. From what he wrote to you I could tell of his sadness at not witnessing the GT. So yes, he probably has same emotions as Moses felt looking out across to the promised land. We as witnesses know the truth about death, but it still doesn’t take the sting out of it. It’s always met with great disbelief and missing that person so very much. I hope Erik at least takes pain relief because he mentioned not wanting their medication, just trying a dietary approach. His family must feel so helpless. I don’t have to take you back there Burt, you experienced it with your first wife. Even though it was a short time, you became good friends with a lovely person. The connection between you both was instant. I think also because you were equal peers. You both just clicked! My opinion about scientists (and yes they have done amazing work, super clever talented people but they have no common sense) is that they try to understand God’s mind and they never will with their imperfect 10 per cent brain power. Jehovah God did not make a single thing in his creation without a purpose. Everything has a purpose. It’s been a lovely thing to see you grow spiritually Burt. You have people on here who really like you. Who really buzz off what you have to say. You’re funny and you say it as it is. You can trust a person like that because you know where you stand. Keep counting your blessings Burt.

            • patri

              Oh let God’s Kingdom come soon Burt…P x

            • Sam

              Erik, so sorry to hear of your health situation. It’s so tiring seeing so many fall ill and realize how utterlt helpless we are.. how amazing the reality of perfect health really is. May Jehovah be blessed for giving us this hope! Reading your posts has given me a lot of encouragement and taught me alot, not just in terms of knowledge but in love. I pray that you find some relief with your treatment brother. Much love

            • Kevin b

              I’m so very sorry to hear of your health issues Erik. I’ve always enjoyed reading your posts and wondered where you were. This old system throws curve balls at us constantly. We have a wonderful hope for the future. As you said being in Jehovah memory is the safest place to be. At this time rely on Jehovah for strength. As Joseph said your watchman family is pulling for you. We will all be praying for you and your family.

            • “exploring different treatment ideas.
              I decided I will not be taking chemotherapy or radiation therapy.”

              im not a doctor but recomend you do just that and keep at it when you find the type of different treatments available.

              i pray for you

            • Joseph

              RIP
              Brother Erik of Southern California
              We miss you so much……..

            • KB

              Very true. He’s been greatly missed here.

            • Thinking

              It would have been an honour to have known this brother….sadly I never experienced that privledge….too sad…

            • patri

              Hey Burt Reynolds…I live in Kent too. Know Margate well.
              How about we meet there, outside the Turner Contemporary next Wednesday 8 June 1pm. Lunch is on me. No arguments! (This is the 21st century, for a little while longer at least. :))
              Have friends in Broadstairs I see regularly so the short drive for me is not a problem
              Hope to see you there…

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Patri, thank you very much for your kind offer. Out of respect for my wife’s feelings and her loving kindness towards me, I would be unable to meet as you suggest for all the biblical reasons we all know and heed. I know you will understand this. My dear wife is not and never has been a JW and I can absolutely understand why not and I must respect her feelings, indeed, I want to. The more I say about the very close bond I and my wife hold for each other, the more it looks as though I spurn your kind and biblical motives. You know this is not the case. It is great to find an ex JW or bible scholar close at hand and I hope that we can share many dialogues together on this site. You are welcome to hare my Facebook account. Groke Goddard. Our mutual friends will identify me. Best wishes and thank you for your kindness.

            • patri

              Hello Burt, thanks for your kind reply.
              Unfortunately I don’t have a Facebook account but I’m more than happy to share dialogues with you here on subjects close to our hearts.
              Maybe my 80 year old husband and I can join you on your next Cannonball Run, zimmer frames willing. Vroom vroom 😉

            • Burt Reynolds

              I will oil up my own Zimmer frame and stick on the go-faster stripes.

    • Darren Wilks

      Be cautious as serpents and innocent as doves sister. And Welcome!!

    • ewatchman

      Hello Alexandra.

      No. God doesn’t require that we promote lies. However, Christ commands that we preach. And the way it is set up the lie that God allows to prevail is embedded in the good news that Jehovah’s Witnesses preach. It is by God’s permission. And most are unaware of it, but it is a dilemma for those who are.

      Am I interfering? Yes. Absolutely. And I am being punished for my impudence. But my influence is very negligible, so it is not likely that I will have much of an impact.

    • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

      To respected Sister Alexandra Bogolin Bautista.
      I am Brother Basavaraj from South India Karnataka, I was about to leave Jehovah and Jesus and want to become atheist because of organization (WTS) problems. I was stumbled a lot but this website helped me a lot. Really it is as if BR. ROBERT KING pulled me out from a dried well. Hey have in contact. Welcome to this website, I learned a lot of deep things especially prophecies from this website which Watch Tower failed to do so because Br. Robert King is really an anointed one do you see that,at least do you know that Br. Robert King is an anointed brother? I have seen the difference Br. Robert King is really an anointed I have tested him and tasted his works. Now I really love Jehovah and Jesus than what I was doing before coming across this website. Before I was going to Kingdom hall for the sake of my wife as she is a very beautiful good caring woman, where I can’t just leave her even I was not interested in meetings. She was staunch JW as her father and brothers are elders. Some how I convinced her that 1914 is a fraud and from 2014 she is not believing in 1914. Thanks to Jehovah and Jesus as well as Robert King I could able to get my wife here as she has the attitude not to listen to any one out of the organization Now I am going with a meaning.

  • I always wondered how the whole resurrection thing would work. My grandmother used to say we’d have announcements in the newspaper instead of obituaries. That was before the Internet and cellphones, though.

    In addition to newspapers, we’ll probably get status updates on Facebook or something. But how the hell is the process actually going to work? I imagined growing up you’d have to literally be at their grave.

    Of course, that’s not necessarily the case. Some people don’t have graves or they’re at the bottom of the ocean or cremated. So clearly their body is essentially gone. They’d have to be re-instantiated. Hypothetically this could be done anywhere. You could be inside or outside. You could be in a building or out in the forest. You could raise up from the sea on the Titanic, even though you didn’t die on the Titanic; God was just being funny. All potential scenarios. Still though, it’s interesting to think about. Presumably, resurrections would be big events. If you ever suddenly wake up in a strange looking orientation center with a bunch of disoriented people, it’s safe to say you might have already been dead for a while.

  • 确实不错,这个要实话实说!

  • kakure Basho

    I personally do not believe Robert is a false prophet. But Rose and the other fellow have there reasons for the animosity. Robert is far from a false prophet…. but right there with an ignorant one. And if you agree on everything he has said then you are not paying attention to the pattern set before us. I mean those who made it this far. I’m not sure what she said because I didn’t have the chance to read her response but I’ve seen one particular past one on the JW rapper and I agree with her on the factop that all should keep their mouths shut. Even though I think it’s kinda corny to be a JW and sign with Bizzy bone who used to dabble in the occult in the early 90’s but many people are familiar with Jehovah that do music in the industry. You all would be suprised on all and how many are aquainted or have been studying in Hollywood. So I do not pass judgment as to who bears witness to his name. Many of you made me laugh with your goofy and mocking ignorant comments
    if you no nothing about counter culture then slow the ego down.

    • Sam

      What I find tacky is individuals who only pop up in the comments when they have something negative to say…waiting for either Robert or one of us to slip up so that they can make themselves out to be the shining light of reason. Robert is a one man band if you will, i’m sure it’s not hard to find mistakes or examples of presumptuousness…that holds true for all of us! Jonah had a message from Jehovah, but that didn’t mean he was too enlightened to err in judgement. I don’t think Robert thinks himself above that either.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Nice reasoning. Thanks.n

    • patri

      Nice of you to join in. Read backwards, your name is intriguing.
      Glad the goofy mockin ignorant comments made you laugh. I enjoyed the giggle until a few judgements were voiced – everyone these days is a pop psychologist, myself included – then I just thought, you can take yourself out of the kingdom hall but the kingdom hall still remains inside you, it is , after all, the place where judgment personified lives, we learned it there. But you know something, there’s not a lota laughs here and Jehovah created the ostrich, so once in a blue moon we have to let the ego take over and present another side of our personalities. No real harm was meant. The rapper himself chimed in halfway through and
      excuses and apologies were voiced from the funsters.
      I get your drift but animosity is never welcome here.
      As for Robert and his “ignorance” which I take you to mean his leniency in not curbing the adverse comments…
      He’s just the guy who puts it out there, supported strongly by God’s word, tweeks now and then and let’s it roll. Like Christ he’s no hard taskmaster and like Job he has a lot of patience. He’s in our prayers y’know.
      The kingdom hall is where one keeps one’s mouths shut, not here where we are free to think, say and be who we really are, and I find every commenter here absolutely delightful, those who love truth, and the ones who love tradition and lies only serve to sharpen our ‘iron’

    • e.v.g

      Do not be overly righteous, nor show yourself excessively wise. Why should you bring ruin to yourself?
      But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. For it is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says Jehovah,* ‘to me every knee will bend, and every tongue will make open acknowledgment to God.’” So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God.

    • Satoshi Nakamoto

      I don’t think Robert is a false prophet, either. There’s a difference between speculating about prophecy and claiming a direct channel to God. As for the entertainment industry, however, we do seem to be surrounded in the occult.

      It’s like trans fat. It’s impossible to avoid altogether. Hell, even King Solomon got involved in the occult. It’s a very pervasive aspect of society.

  • kakure Basho

    This website was designed to bring those with potential to a more personal and intimate relationship with Jehovah. Or to bring some to the next level. Robert says he does not expect to make an impact. But what he hasn’t put together is that he has with the GB of the watchtower. Ya maybe not so much with the general population of JWS. But where it matters the most is the leadership in Jehovah’s eyes. That’s where most of the change will come from that should/will determine the way JWS will go from here. Sense 2011 they have revised so much of the core teachings as far as prophecy goes because of his own preaching campaign and hard work
    And he is still chizzling away at that damn wall. But he only knows what Jehovah has revealed to him at this point. All of you don’t forget he has brothers that will come after him or because of him.

  • 到此一游,立贴为证!

  • 博文值得拜读。受益了!

  • 研究研究,学习学习。

Skip to toolbar