AND THEN THE END WILL COME

//AND THEN THE END WILL COME

QUESTION: Why do you think the end hasn’t come yet? What is the purpose of allowing the present system to continue? What is Jehovah actually waiting for to bring this miserable system to an end? It is disheartening, to say the least, that 2017 is upon us and this wicked system is still in charge.

The short answer is God is patient, as the apostle Peter wrote: “Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.”

Likely you know the next verse though, which says: “But Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.”

So, again we are reminded that Jehovah’s day, or the day of the Lord, will come as unexpectedly as a thief. And, for whatever it is worth, according to Paul the thief-like coming of the end will be immediately preceded by their saying “peace and security.”

Jesus spoke of the things that must occur before the end, saying: “But the one who has endured to the end will be saved. And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.”

In furtherance of answering the question as to why the end has not come yet, it is obviously because the good news of the Kingdom has not been preached to the extent that God desires. How much longer will it go on? It is impossible to say. However, as the traditional door-to-door ministry becomes less and less effective, it seems to me that the Watchtower has made great strides in recent years through the promotion of the information cart campaigns and by means of JW.org, which has made information available in over 700 languages. Given the fact that even so-called undeveloped nations now have limited access to the World Wide Web, the sheer scope of the Watchtower’s multi-language global outreach is nothing short of phenomenal and has been recognized as such. (What is the world’s most translated website?)

However, because Jehovah’s Witnesses are laboring under the deluding influence, there is also considerable confusion as to what the future holds. For instance, Jehovah’s Witnesses likely assume when Jesus spoke of the good news being preached and then the end will come, that he was speaking about the end of the system at Armageddon. But that is not the case.

Back in 1981 an article appeared in the August 1st issue of the Watchtower entitled Harvesting in the Time of the End, in which a distinction was made between two Greek words —synteleia and telos. Synteleia is translated as conclusion of the system of things in the NWT, and “end of the age” or even “end of the world” in some translations. But the article makes the point that synteleia is not an absolute end —as is signified by telos —but is a period immediately preceding the end; hence, in the Hebrew/Aramaic text “time of the end” is the equivalent expression. Interestingly, the ancient Greek translation of the book of Daniel (Septuagint) used the word synteleia where the expression time of the end appears in modern English.

Of course, the Watchtower insists that the time of the end and the conclusion of the system began in 1914 and has been ongoing over more than a century and it is believed that the end (telos) will terminate, punctuate the conclusion. However, it appears the Watchtower has it turned around. The end that comes after the good news has been preached in all the inhabited earth is not the end of the world. It is the end of the preaching and disciple-making work and the beginning of the relatively short period of time known as the conclusion of the system —the harvest.

That “the end” is not necessarily the end of the world is evident in the use of the word in the 7th chapter of Ezekiel, where Jehovah commanded his watchman to say to Israel: “An end! The end has come upon the four corners of the land. The end is now upon you, and I will unleash my anger against you, and I will judge you according to your ways and call you to account for all your detestable deeds…Look! A calamity, a unique calamity, is coming. An end is coming; the end will come; it will rouse itself against you. Look! It is coming. Your turn has come, you who inhabit the land. The time is coming, the day is near. There is confusion and not joyful shouting on the mountains.”

The end that came upon Israel was obviously not the end of Israel as a nation. It was the end of the wickedness and idolatry that prevailed. Most interesting, Jehovah entered into judgment with his wayward people by means of “the sword, and famine and pestilence.” —Ezekiel 7:15 The sword, famine and pestilence are the exact same ordering of the opening of seals two thru four in Revelation. And Jesus foretold that war, famine and pestilence would mark the beginning pangs of distress during the conclusion or time of the end.

While Jehovah’s Witnesses are compelled to believe that the First World War and the Spanish Flu fulfilled the sign, no one can explain how that war and ensuing pandemic may have accomplished Jehovah’s judgments. It is also considered to be impossible that war, famine and pestilence could come upon the world in the future since that doesn’t fit into the Watchtower’s 1914 dogma. But needless to say the coming of Christ will bring an end to the Watchtower’s 1914 deception and the end of the preaching of the good news.

And that is really another reason God has let it go on, in order to allow presumptuousness and wickedness to come to full bloom among the leadership of Jehovah’s Witnesses, as stated in the seventh chapter: “Look, the day! Look, it is coming! Your turn has come; the rod has blossomed and presumptuousness has sprouted. Violence has grown into a rod of wickedness. Neither they nor their wealth nor their crowds nor their prominence will survive. The time will come, the day will arrive.”

Simultaneous with the accelerated work of preaching the good news, the Watchtower’s own sins are coming to light more and more. Most assuredly, the time will come, the day will arrive when Jehovah will require an accounting.

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2016-12-17T10:34:41+00:00 December 17th, 2016|Mailbag|168 Comments
  • Burt Reynolds

    That’s really informative. I never knew that or even separated the two. I always thought that end of the preaching work was as the watchtower said it was; the preaching work would be completed, followed immediately by the end….no pause was ever mentioned…., but there is a pause ; that the preaching work has an end in itself. And a conclusion, a ‘wrapping up’ would follow it during which the harvest would take place. Just how subtle can you get? I pray for this sort of insight on a daily basis but it’s not granted to me, but I’m humbled that I am privileged to know of it almost immediately afterward. How glorious is that? Just one step away from such insight! It begs the question then…..how will we know, or the watchtower be provoked into declaring that the work is finished? I presume that it is the watchtower that has to declare it? Any thoughts anyone on this…..and yes, I have already thought of writing to the watchtower to suggest that it IS completed. Anything to get rid of this system!

    • Bklyn Kevin

      After the Watchtower.

      Excerpt:
      What we are facing then, brothers, is the complete collapse of the Watchtower Society. Exactly how it will come about is unknowable, but one thing is clear:
      Large scale war and a financial crash would make it virtually impossible for the Society to carry on their printing operations.
      Not only that, under wartime conditions the U.S. and other so-called free nations will likely tumble into military dictatorships and Jehovah’s Witnesses may well find themselves to be declared enemies of the state without any legal recourse. Read more>
      https://e-watchman.com/after-the-watchtower/

      • Burt Reynolds

        thanks Kevin. Have I understood this correctly then? I thought Robert was saying that the preaching work would be concluded, not stopped by another force….pause/conclusion then….end starts?

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Yes the preaching work will be concluded for the various reasons that Robert had mentioned in his articles. I mean a financial collapse of this system will shut down many corporations worldwide and that includes the watchtower however that doesn’t mean brothers and sisters couldn’t preach because they already have the knowledge that leads to everlasting life but keep in mind they will be oppressed at that time and scattered like the apostles were back in their day.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Thanks Kevin. I hope I get scattered to somewhere nice: the wilderness of north island New Zealand would do.

        • Rev 6:6

      • LW

        It looks like the seeds are already being sown for just such an outcome.

    • 1914for100Alex

      Looks like Kevin beat me! Here’s another one to take a look at too:

      https://e-watchman.com/sign-presence/

      It’s going to be a shock to them. They won’t be declaring much except “uh oh”.

      • Bklyn Kevin

        We could never have too much information especially when it comes to discerning Jehovah’s will / plans- in fact are very lives depends on It.

        • 1914for100Alex

          Exactly. I just read through the link you posted. Very very informative. Thanks for posting it. It’s good to re-read these things. I went looking for something I could post for Burt to read and noticed when I came back that you had just posted lol. In the words of one of my old managers, “Team work, that’s what it’s all about!”.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Exactly teamwork. But you know what makes me happy is the fact that you lovely took your time out of your schedule to help and that’s no easy task when you take into account that Robert has 1000 articles on his web site and for that I commend you.

            • 1914for100Alex

              Thanks Kevin. I knew it was a lot, but I had no idea it was that many. Wow. And he just keeps on writing them. That right there should prove to anyone that he’s doing this for our sake, and not for himself. He could have just written his book, done a few videos and been done with it. Instead he writes, and rewrites, and then rewrites again the message we need to hear. Imagine doing that yourself. The same message over and over. I can’t thank him enough for accepting this task, and Jehovah for entrusting him with it, as well as guiding me here. And thank you for all your hard work. I can’t count the number of times you’ve been there with an answer or a scripture for us.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Let the word of the Christ reside in you richly in all wisdom. Keep on teaching and encouraging one another with psalms, praises to God, spiritual songs sung with gratitude, singing in your hearts to Jehovah.
              Whatever it is that you do in word or in deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, thanking God the Father through him. Colossians 3:16-17.

            • its wonderful to have you here. I get so excited every time a new reader enters into Roberts site for an accurate knowledge and building of faith. brother Robert certainly has done some very important and hard work his blessings are many and he freely shares that gift with every one. I think we should all burn the truth into our hearts and minds and do everything we can to take in as much of an accurate knowledge as possible because the day of Jehovah is near and this wicked system of things is in a very unstable state never before have I seen so much happening so Frequently. we surely have arrived at the end of this wicked system of things as they say the calm before the storm and I often think wow everything could cease in a blink of an eye earthquakes food shortages Pestilence power outages even taking place in many parts of the world right now right before us. I can just imagine waking up one morning and try to sign on to the watchmanspost.com and there may be no power no internet no anything. my point being we have arrived at the end of this wicked system of things and I think we really need to stay focused on Jehovah’s word and his will to take in as much of an accurate knowledge as possible to build up our faith and to acquire all the tools we will need to continue on when the real tribulations begin and we all very well know it can be at any time. frightening thoughts yes but very much real.

              Ezekiel 7:6
              An end is coming; the end will come; it will rouse itself against you. Look! It is coming.

              Matthew 24:14
              And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come

              Psalm 73:19
              How suddenly they are devastated! How sudden is their finish as they come to a terrible end!

            • 1914for100Alex

              Thank you Leonard. I always enjoy reading your comments and thoughts, especially when you and BK are discussing scripture. I wish I was that knowledgeable. I also agree with everything you said. I try to absorb as much as possible so I can make as much sense as possible of the things that are going on as well as the things that are to come. Not only for myself, but to share with others when the time comes. I’ve been working my way through the Bible and I really hope I can finish it before things get crazy. I started with the Greek scriptures and I’m working my way through the Hebrew scriptures now. One of the things I keep praying for is that I can remember the things that I read because I’m way behind most people here, but better late than never.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya 1914, hope you don’t mind me saying, but on Perimeno he has a piece about Daily Bible reading with a calendar to help you along. Setting aside 20 minutes a day to read the Bible you should in theory be able to finish reading it in a year. And if I remember, years back the WT suggested doing more or less the same thing and it works! And it looks like you’ve already got a head start.

            • 1914for100Alex

              Hi Beverly. Thanks. I have seen that on his site. I have to admit I was disappointed that it might take a full year so I’m hoping to beat that LOL! I really should have started in conjunction with reading Robert’s articles when I first came here, but I was dumb and thought I remembered more than I actually do 🙂 A little while back I read through My Book of Bible Stories for an overall refresher course, and then jumped into the Greek scriptures. I’ve bounced around a little with the Hebrew scriptures, so it’s hard to get an idea of how much more I need to read, but it’s still quite a bit. I’ll get there though 🙂

            • Beverly kenyon

              Course you’ll get there 1914…because you WANT to! I remember when you had that bit of a meltdown trying to witness to your girlfriend and not having a physical Bible…you can’t beat paper..so it’s good to hear you have a proper Bible and you’re reading it from start to finish. I’m hopeless at remembering scripture but this site with the amazing scripturally knowledgeable ones here have helped me so much. When these ones quote scripture I seem to remember it or I write them down in my notebook or at the back of my trusty maroon Bible from the eighties…it’s crammed! Also when I read a book in the Bible I’m instantly transported back to those times so that helps as well as it all becomes so real!! I also have my Bible Hub app on my phone as suggested by the original ‘Scriptanator’ Bklyn Kevin, (how does he do it!), a term first put forward by Joe DMan..(where is Joe DMan these days…I miss him and his brilliant insightful, real comments). Two friends of my mine bought me an ‘end of year’ present as they put it cos they know I don’t do Christmas…the Voice Bible as I kept wittering on about different translations of the Bible that I’ve gotten to know about from ones, especially LW and Joseph here on this site…Bibles I’d never heard about apart from NWT and the King James Bible…can’t believe I was such a JW robot!

            • e.v.g

              Hi sister, are you transported to the eighties? to those strange bands from the 80s?

            • Beverly kenyon

              Lol. Definitely not e.v.g. Even though me and my mates partied like it was 1999 and in my opinion the music of that time was the best and maybe the early nineties, you can still keep the eighties! Even though ones like me from the late eighties were immoral, recreational drug taking hedonists according to an antique dealer I was talking to the other day and we were discussing different generations and the political scene he said the twenties were the WORST generation for partying hard and basically being hard core hedonists, he said they got up to everything!

            • e.v.g

              Yeah, the eighties were fun i was a kid at that time. Unfortunately we have to be witnessess of the wickedest of our own generation and be part of them for some moment of our lives.

            • happy with a glad heart you will be because it is Jehovah who leads you to knowledge and wisdom. it is Jehovah him self who searches all hearts and minds and Jehovah knows all those who belong to him. I’m smiling right now because I know Jehovah is leading your path and here is why.

              Ephesians 4:15
              But speaking the truth, let us by love grow up in all things into him who is the head, Christ.

              1 John 3:19
              By this we will know that we originate with the truth, and we will assure our hearts before him

              John 8:32
              and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

              1 John 2:21
              I write you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie originates with the truth.

              if you want to know his holy truth then you must love his holy truth so keep digging as for silver and gold and his blessings upon you will be many. keep on then seeking his kingdom first.

              Matthew 6:33
              “Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you.

              keep on then praying keep on then asking keep on knocking and the door will be opened. and this is what you are doing I commend your faith.

              James 4:8
              8 Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones.

    • Peaceful Waters

      I thought the same thing Burt …”I always thought that end of the preaching work was as the watchtower said it was; the preaching work would be completed, followed immediately by the end….no pause was ever mentioned…., but there is a pause ; that the preaching work has an end in itself. And a conclusion, a ‘wrapping up’ would follow it during which the harvest would take place.”

      • Cocheta

        just as a matter of interest, it seems there is always a ‘wrapping up’ period as it were, for example, the only other instance of Jehovah destroying humankind on earth & fully cleansing it is in Genesis 6 & the account of Noah. Verse 10 tells us that after Jehovah Himself has closed the door to the Ark then ‘7 days later the floodwaters came upon the earth’. (That 7 day period was similar possibly to the future Harvest)
        It seems logical therefore that there will be such another ‘closed door’ period near to the ‘end’. There will have to be otherwise most people who ignored the message could ‘suddenly’ decide that they love God in order to save their own necks. To avoid that there must come a point where Jehovah Himself closes the door to any more preaching work & the bringing in of more people into the Organization, just as when a theatre is full then the doors are closed, you are either ‘in’ or you are ‘out’.
        Interestingly enough there is also mention of 40 days in that period of history & if you realise that the number 40 in the Bible always = Cleansing/purifying, & is a prelude to a corrective/restorative progress. (I love the symbolic attributes of different numbers in the Scriptures! It further proves what a magnificent mathematician Jehovah is)

  • Arvid Fløysand

    tick tock …the time is running only one way…the right way towards the conclusion of the system…must be very close now since the rod spoken of by Ezekiel,seems to already blossom …Thank you brother King for all the effort you do to prepare all this delicious food and make sure that we do not starve …yummy..it even taste good

  • “to say the least, that 2017 is upon us and this wicked system is still in charge.”

    ergo, the end of it has not come. :/

  • 1914for100Alex

    I found some interesting comments in the link “What is the world’s most translated website?”

    (https://www.tomedes.com/translator-hub/most-translated-website.php

    – “This is an interesting article, though I must point out that the claim that Jehovah’s Witnesses “MUST” read Watchtower materials is not a fact. The articles are just bible study aids, and the Bible is the only material that any Christian “MUST” read.”

    – “Nice article except your conclusion about this: “all its adherents must be able to read the Watchtower’s”. Their publications are merely supplemental to the Bible.”

    – “I just want to point out that this writer got something wrong. JW’s do not believe that access to the Watchtower is necessary and neither is access to the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. Access to the Bible is necessary in order to read and believe what’s in it but this article makes it sound like to be a JW it requires you have these 2 things and that simply is not true.”

    I wonder how making these comments at your local Kingdom Hall would go over?

  • “, it is obviously because the good news of the Kingdom has not been preached to the extent that God desires.”

    ive said the more we get the good news out helps the end come that much quicker

  • Joseph Stephan

    “Do not let the apathy of others discourage or dissuade you from keeping on the watch. You know better. Paul wrote to fellow believers: “You yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming,” and he added, “exactly as a thief in the night.” Jesus warned us: “Keep ready, because at an hour that you do not think likely, the Son of man is coming.” (Luke 12:39,40) — Soon, Satan will deceive the masses into accepting a false sense of “peace and security.” He will mislead them into thinking that all is well on the world scene. What about us? That day of judgment does not have to “overtake [us] as it would thieves”, provided we “stay awake and keep our senses.” — That is why we daily must read God’s written Word and meditate on what Jehovah is telling us.”
    Based on the line that I indicated in bold, would this be the beginning of the great tribulation? Also, would you agree this false sense of peace and security is a unique event in the future and not the relative peace that exists in some parts of the world?
    http://www.baruq.uk/

  • Joseph Stephan
    • Simpletruth

      That was actually pretty good…:-)

  • Patrick Langat

    Excellent article explaining exactly what comes to an end after the preaching work. I share the same frustration with the questioner that this system isn’t over yet but I have learnt to be patient. It appears this system of things is not yet ripe for the end but it is only beginning to ripen e.g. the 8th beast has not commenced ruling, there is no way of enforcing 666 in the immediate future, world war seems unlikely at the moment and the financial system collapse has been forestalled by rigging it and adding zeroes to figures on a computer.

    • Cocheta

      I actually agree with you Patrick on your points. Moreover it is wrong of us to try to attempt even a wild guess at when the end will come. We could be guilty of trying to probe into things which do not concern us. Eve committed the original sin of trying to find the Hidden Things of God when she looked upon the tree after satan had deceived her. She was never supposed to even think about what knowledge that tree held & by committing that wrong she & also Adam ‘killed’ all her children in the eyes of Jehovah, including us. Thankfully through Jesus, Jehovah provided us a means to discard that original sin but we must be careful to heed that warning from the past by not attempting to ‘see’ what belongs only to Jehovah, we must simply wait until He chooses to reveal things to us.

      Yes, of course the prophecy in Daniel is being fulfilled presently & things are becoming clearer as more people are roving about & true knowledge is becoming more abundant Dan 12;4, but we must never forget Dan 12;9,10 that “the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end. Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and they will be refined”

      Perhaps we are now in that period of time where we are cleansing & whitening ourselves, but we must never jump to conclusions or try to fore-guess the actual time when Jehovah will act in His great mercy towards us.

    • ELiJAHx7

      “No way of enforcing 666 at the moment” (aka mark of the beast) “World war seems unlikely at the moment”…..The mark of the beast is not a literal mark, its symbolic and the technology is available now to track and implant everyone with rfid chips or biometrics systems, atleast in the developed world…anyone who cannot fathom world war occurring at any moment is either in denial of reality or uncannily optimistic…at every turn the nations are posturing for global conflict and saber rattling to the razors edge of battle…the world is ripe for world war more so than any time, total global annihilation…I would not be lulled to sleep by the subtle sound of insidious skepticism as we behold the day drawing near…Jesus repeated, “stay awake” “Be ready” “Keep your senses”…He expressed urgency, not complacency, not a dismissive attitude….I am only conerned for you, I only want to express my interest in your well being as a Brother….Please be careful…We have to keep on guard always and thats all I am trying to do is help…take care!

      • LW

        I think what it is people have always had the expectation of Jesus returning in their lifetime and it didn’t happen. So we would hope that it really and truly is this time and not some 200 years later etc.

        • ELiJAHx7

          In this particular case, my comment was in regards this brothers personal mindset that he has expressed in many comments, including our facebook communication…He shares the opinion that war, economic collapse,etc. are not a reality at present and a distant future event…I feel otherwise as many of us do here, and I don’t want any to be carried off by the wicked one…
          We may not know the day nor the hour but we have been told what signs to watch for, It would be wise to not turn a blind eye to what is occurring in the world at this moment…

  • Marvin W

    I was reading the Study lesson for Sunday, 12/18/16 from Oct 2016 WT “Strengthen Your Faith in What You Hope For.” It is a fairly standard fluff article about faith, until I find this sentence.

    “Sometime after the Kingdom’s birth in 1914, all such faithful anointed ones, who were sleeping in death, were raised to spirit life in heaven to share with Jesus in his rulership over mankind.”

    They just had to get a sentence in there about 1914. Makes me think of 2 Timothy 2:18, “These men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred, and they are subverting the faith of some.”
    NONE of the Anointed Ones have been resurrected from 1914 up to now.

    • Simpletruth

      This is quite a shame isn’t it??? But then again I guess once one lies and covers it up they have no choice but to keep going and going and going…

    • standard fluff ha

    • Anderiega

      It’s very rare these days to have a meeting where 1914 isn’t mentioned.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Or on this site, seeing as we have our very own 1914 brother!

      • sally

        I agree with you totally Andriega! I thought when I first learned ttatt, that I was being overly sensitive to that, but its true. Our public talk last Sunday was about the Kingdom and the Resurrection of the anointed in 1914 – and I had busted a gut to get to that meeting to!

  • Burt Reynolds

    Anyone got disqus feed problems? I can see all your wonderful comments, not even a troll. HEEEEELLLPP

    • 1914for100Alex

      Yep. It seems to be lagging. It started yesterday for me. The only way I know if someone comments to me is if catch it in the recent comments section of this site, or within the article comments. The new comments do eventually appear though in the Disqus feed.

  • Burt Reynolds

    Great! My disqus has come back. I’ve been reinstated!

  • Tabitha

    Couldn’t believe it when I saw this post as I have been asking Jehovah the exact same question! I guess I must be that person that’s sitting on the bus, just wanting it to get moving and not wait for the others who are running a few seconds late to get on too. I guess we are all being tested as to whether we are just serving for our reward or because we know Jehovah is deserving. So we will just keep waiting and watching and helping others to know Jehovah when we can. So glad to have this information and this site to make the wait more bearable! By the way could someone explain to me how to PM someone on Disqus please, Peaceful Waters and I need a chat 🙂

    • Cocheta

      Tabitha, why not try the Forum here for messaging with PW? You can private message on there by clicking on the User name & just under their avatar you can see if they have enabled private messaging. Hope this helps.
      Btw, I tried to find you on FB but there are a few with your name & no clues which one you are

      • Tabitha

        Thanks for that Cocheta, will try the forum again, tried to join a while back with no luck. Feel like we are going around in circles, but hopefully will get there eventually 🙂

  • 偶然来访,受益良多!

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    What is the purpose of allowing the present system to continue? What is Jehovah actually waiting for to bring this miserable system to an end? It is disheartening, to say the least, that 2017 is upon us and this wicked system is still in charge. I don’t know who has asked this question, well it seems that the
    questioner (either brother/sister/exjw) has some concern why the end did not come.

    Well I respect their feeling because it is normal for anyone including me back then until I met e-watchman
    in the net in 2010-11.

    Well I like to add the point to encourage the questioner and everyone in this site and if anything is wrong
    please anyone can correct me I am ready to accept. I am not like GB of WTS. I always believe that knowledge is better than ignorance so I allow my lovely brothers and sisters in this web site to correct me.

    This is what my view point is: – Assume that a person is living in 1694 (Establishment of Bank of England) and asks the same question what will be the answer? Well the direct answer is some of the events
    has to take place before Jesus comes. For example in the year 1694 there was no 7th word power in its position as a world power just as it is now, therefore prophecy Dan:2:33 was not yet fulfilled so is it right to ask why Jehovah did not bring an end then in 1694? Well come to the year 1776, 13 American colony
    was formed as United States of America, but it did not become a world power. The 7th world power should be of Iron and Clay. Did Iron and Clay (Imperial and Democracy) co-existed together in 1776 itself? So still Dan: 2:41-42 prophecy was not yet fulfilled so is it right to ask why Jehovah did not bring an end in 1776?

    The establishment of Anglo American world power as a world dominating power happened only after the Second World War not even in 1914.

    Now read Dan: 2:34: You looked on until a stone was cut out, not by hands, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and of clay and crushed them. Did you see the timing? If the intention of the stone is to just destroy the image then stone would have struck on any part of the image, but have any one thought
    why it particularly hits the image on its feet of iron and of clay because Jehovah will not give unnecessary details or symbols without any meaning. It actually tells the timing when the stone will hit the image. It says it struck the image on its feet of iron and of clay, that means the stone (Christ’s kingdom) will establish during the ruler ship of Iron and Clay (=Imperial + Democracy = Anglo+America). So ours is period that is nearing its end in order to establish Christ’s kingdom that is why the world’s situation is getting worse and worse day by day. The fall of seventh king that is the Anglo American world power is the indication that Jesus has taken his rule in heaven and ousted Satan to the earthly realm. The fall of 7th king that is what Rev: 13:3: says I saw that one of its heads seemed to have been fatally wounded has to be fulfilled first.

    Since this itself is not yet fulfilled, is it right to ask why Jehovah did not bring an end in 2016?

    Now this where one should concentrate. Even after falling of seventh king (Imperial + Democracy = Anglo+America), the end is not yet why?

    Because still the prophecy Rev: 17:11-12 has to be fulfilled that is the wild beast that was but is not, it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven,

    Also “The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.

    And more importantly Rev: 17 verse 13 has to be fulfilled = so they give their power and authority to the wild beast (UN/One world government/NWO).

    Now you think is it right to ask why Jehovah did not bring an end in 2016 and that 2017 is upon us and this wicked system is still in charge?

    So my answer is that there are many things yet to be fulfilled and Jehovah will not speed up the matters as per our wish, it is his kingdom and it his time table and wish when to do so. Actually I am not condemning the person who ask like this, but expressing words such as it is disheartening or asking what is Jehovah actually waiting for to bring this miserable system to an end may be normal to anyone but those questions should not cause us to shrink back from faith as it had happened to me in 2010-11 before meeting e-watchman.

    These are the things yet to be fulfilled.

    1. The Anglo American world power has to go down = Rev:17:8: The wild beast that you saw was, but is not,

    2. Before going down of Anglo American power Rev13:3: has to be fulfilled= I saw that one of its heads seemed to have been fatally wounded.

    After fulfilling Rev: 13:3, Rev: 17:8, 11, 12 has to be fulfilled= yet is about to ascend out of the abyss.Here I want to add a point, after the fall of Anglo-American world power = 7th King it takes some time to ascend that is why it is worded as (yet is about to ascend out….).

    How long it takes to ascend? May be one can relate Daniel: 4th chapter. In verse 20: The tree that you saw that grew great and became strong, whose top reached the heavens and was visible to all the
    earth. This expression represents the world power. Yes no other previously known world powers spread its influence as Anglo-American world power did. (For example India was not ruled by Babylon when it was in power in 605 – c. 562 BCE but rather Mahajanpadas (early Magadha dynasties) ruled North India and Early Pandyan kingdom particularly Nedunjeliyan ruled South India. But whereas British which is in Europe rule in India established in 1612 and dominated from 1757-1947 and American influence till today through their economic and Multinational Companies). The verse 20 aptly fits for Anglo-American world power than Babylon. So when Anglo American world power falls down (= one of its heads seemed to have been fatally wounded = Chop down the tree and destroy it, but leave the stump with its roots), it would go into maddened state just as it had happened to Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar (see verse Dan: 4:25). How long will it be in maddened state before the rise of 8th king? The answer is in the same verse 25: and seven times will pass over you. That means for the 8th king to rise and setup the new world order it may take seven years. So it is during those seven times (years) of maddened state, another beast as described in Rev: 13:11 ANOTHER having two horns like a lamb will rule, because the seat of the world power will not be empty without a head.

    So after the fall of Anglo American power, an intermediate temporary government would come into power, this government acts as a temporary ruling power for transition of ruling power from 7th king (Anglo American) to the 8th king (UN) that is why Rev: 13:11 Then I saw ANOTHER wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb, but it began speaking like a dragon………… It has the horn of the lamb means it does the things what actually Christ (lamb) will to do in his Kingdom that is global governance and establishment of peace and security (1stThess: 5:3).

    3. That is why it compels all the people of the earth to make a world government (New world order) that
    is why Rev: 13: 14-15 says: it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword-stroke and yet revived. 15 And it was permitted to give breath (=it gives ruling power to the eighth king).

    4. Then Rev: 17:13 has to be fulfilled= so they give their power and authority to the wild beast (UN/One world government/NWO).

    Without these many things it is not right to expect the end to come soon. Jehovah through Jesus has revealed through the scriptures how step by step the things will take place.

    There is also another strong reason why Jehovah is not bringing end soon that 2017 is upon us and this wicked system is still in charge. See Rev: 7:3 it says that Jesus (angel ascending from the sunrise,) saying to four angles not harm …………until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads. That means the great tribulation is actually controlled by Jehovah through Jesus Rev: 7:1: I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, so that no wind could blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree. So Jehovah is controlling the great tribulation until the complete number of the sons of the kingdom 144000 must be gathered until then he will not allow the end to come. So is it reasonable to think what is Jehovah actually waiting for to bring this miserable system to an end?

    That may be one of the reason why US President elect Trump is in the seat. As everyone knows that oligarchs want the one world government to be established, but who knows Jesus might have not yet
    sealed fully the complete number of anointed ones of 144000, so this is not the time for the end to come, so it may be even Jehovah’s purpose for person like Trump to be in the power so that the things should work as per Jehovah time table, that also may be one of the reason for the delay in human stand point of
    view.

    See: http://yournewswire.com/putin-warns-trump-new-world-order-out-to-get-you/

    So what we can come to the conclusion is: – It is Jehovah’s kingdom and his Son Jesus who is going to be the king, so we should not expect Jehovah to speed up the matters as per our wish, since all things work as per his time table it is HE who wishes when to do so. Read 1st Corinthians: 2:16: For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” Till then do not shrink back from faith read Heb: 10:39. If you have real faith in Jehovah even though if we die without seeing all these things yet all what
    Jehovah has spoken will surely be fulfilled.
    FROM BASAVARAJ OF NORTH KARNATAKA

    • Southern ShaSha

      Dear Basavaraj, thank you for your insight. Breaking down events scripture by scripture has been very helpful. Also, to remain patient and wait on JEHOVAH. He has His own precise timeline, and not to grow weary from the things we may not fully understand at this time. Your explanation of the timing of these events are very beneficial to me. Thank you for breaking it all down and siting all the scriptures pertaining to His timeline during this time we are living in! Thank you again.

    • Arvid Fløysand

      Thank you dear brother Basavaraj for all this effort you have done to write down all this in English …it would have taken me ours to do the same…its a long distance between ours countrys but i like to belive we are close in harts …thank you for this very good explanation …From Arvid in vest Norway 😉

    • LW

      Good points. Still, we shouldn’t conclude that the end is still a very long way off. The fact that we are more clearly understanding the depth of prophecy shows us that this is the time.

      In other words, it would not be reasonable to say it wont come in many many years.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      More food for thought. Will you be awake?.

      1 Thessalonians 3:5.
      Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.
      The question should be asked:

      Why would they be saying peace and security?, because It’s more than probable that at some point they would have already had a limited nuclear war with tactical nukes which would have killed 1/4 of the people as well as caused food shortages and pandemics.

      Revelation 6: 8 And I saw, and look! a pale horse, and the one seated on it had the name Death. And the Grave* was closely following him. And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by the wild beasts of the earth. Please keep in mind the bible foretold these very events.

      Also keep in mind the nations will be faint out of fear because of not knowing the way out due to the Apocalyptic chaos that was brought on by war, food shortages and pestilence,- not to mention , yes the political system will be totally devastated and nonfunctioning. At this point people of the world will be bagging for a stable government. And that’s when the eighth king will come on the scene. Read more. https://e-watchman.com/what-is-the-….

      So It’s inevitable at some point in the very near future and I wouldn’t rule out today or tomorrow given the present circumstances / hostilities between Russia and America- there will surely be a breaking point thus world war three.
      I mean all one has to do is to just read the headlines of the various news paper reports in order to get the sense of it.

      Excerpt:
      Tyler Durden Just reported as of Oct 4, 2016 3:47 AM
      That 40 Million Russians will Take Part In “Nuclear Disaster” Drill, Days After US General Warns Of War With Moscow. (The writing is clearly on the wall).
      Read more>
      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-

      Anybody with common sense can see the stage is set for world war three.
      For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night.
      1Thessalonians 5:2.

      For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.
      All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. Matthew 24:7-8. Also read Revelation 6:1-7.
      Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that must occur and in standing before the Son of man. Luke 21:36.

      Because when they are saying peace and security sudden destruction will certainly come.

      Will you be awake?.
      The Lord’s Day is Coming Exactly as a Thief in the Night.
      Excerpt:
      Their saying “peace and security” immediately precedes nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom —in other words: world war three, which will destroy the present ordering of nations and bring down the Anglo-American duo – “sudden destruction.” And because that catastrophe will also bring about the sudden end of the Watchtower-sponsored, world-wide work, effectively closing the door of salvation, even the survivors of the global war, famine and pestilence will not escape the ultimate destruction at Armageddon. That is why Jesus reiterated his warning one last time, placing his thief-like coming as an immediate prelude to Armageddon, since the beginning of the conclusion will segue into the end in short order.
      Read more> https://e-watchman.com/lords-day-co

      How will the end come for the Watchtower?.
      Excerpt:
      The coming of Christ will coincide with the world erupting in war, the spread of disease pandemics and widespread food shortages. Then, following swiftly will come the Crash – the complete collapse of the political and economic system. Jehovah’s Witnesses will then be subjected to an intense period of confusion and doubt. And as Jesus foretold, many will be stumbled. Although the Watchtower will be discredited and quite likely cease functioning as a Bible and tract publishing society, apparently it will still exist in some form. But at that point it will stand in complete opposition to Christ. It will then be an antichrist. Read more> https://e-watchman.com/how-will-the
      Bklyn notes Read more>
      https://www.facebook.com/notes/kevin-flynn/will-you-be-awake/10154593446907520

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        Thanks for that. you said that yes the political system will be totally devastated and non functioning. Yes I agree brother That is what I said that the world condition would go into maddened state just as it had happened to Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar. Yes I also do agree that The coming of Christ will coincide with the world erupting in war, The spread of disease pandemics and widespread food shortages that is when 7th world power falls down. But things such as ANOTHER wild beast ascending out of the earth, having the horn of the lamb and compelling all the people of the earth to make a world government is during the presence of Christ that is why they will struggle because already the Kingdom power has taken over. Can you point out where I am wrong that would be appreciated.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Brother Basavaraj I thought what you wrote was wonderfully informative and very encouraging and I particularly enjoyed how you showed us it was Jehovah’s time table /will and not ours and that we should be patient because all bible prophecy has not yet been fulfilled and you also lovingly took your time and added scriptural verification of your statements.

          Basavaraj said “there are many things yet to be fulfilled and Jehovah will not speed up the matters as per our wish, it is his kingdom and it his time table and wish when to do so.
          [And this] should not cause us to shrink back from faith. End quote.

          However, I do not agree with you when you say there are two wild beast.

          here is your quote
          So it is during those seven times (years) of maddened state,
          (another) beast as described in Rev: 13:11 (ANOTHER) having two horns like a lamb will rule, because the seat of the world power will not be empty without a head. End quote.

          Get out of her my people.
          Excerpt: Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/get-people/

          However, the Watchtower has mutilated the prophecies and obscured their meaning and thereby diminished their importance.

          To demonstrate the point, the seven-headed, scarlet-colored beast, upon which the harlot rides is said to be entirely different from the seven-headed beast portrayed elsewhere in Revelation. Clearly, though, it is different only, in that, it represents the eighth king, which springs from the seven. But the Watchtower supposes that there are two symbolic seven-headed beasts that coexist.

          Is it possible the UN is not the wild beast?.Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/is-it-possible-the-un-is-not-the-wild-beast201381is-it-possible-the-un-is-not-the-wild-beastis-it-possible-the-un-is-not-the-wild-beast/
          Excerpt:
          Another piece of idiocy pushed on Jehovah’s Witnesses by Bethel is the ridiculous notion that there are two separate wild beasts that come out of an abyss. Supposedly the beast that comes from the abyss in the 13th chapter of Revelation is different. That beast supposedly was slaughtered and revived back during the First World War.

          The Mark of the Beast. Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/jehovahs-witnesses-the-mark-of-the-beast/
          Excerpt:
          (The Watchtower erroneously attributes two separate identities to the seven-headed wild beast in the 13th chapter of Revelation and the scarlet beast in the 17th chapter. Even though the beast in the 11th chapter of Revelation is said to also emerge from the abyss – just as does the scarlet-colored beast – the Watchtower attaches no significance to it. Reasonably, though, the death-stroke upon the head of the beast is also depicted in the symbolism of the Apocalypse as the entire beast going into a deathlike state, symbolized by its going into the abyss. Likewise, the emergence of the beast from the abyss parallels the miraculous recovery of the beast’s slaughtered head. The two-horned, lamblike beast that arises from the earth also depicts the beast coming from the abyss, as if rising up from Sheol – from the depths of the earth. The scarlet color of the beast from the abyss characterizes the beast after its recovery from death and reflects the intense anger of the satanic, fiery-colored, seven-headed dragon that is cast down to earth, resulting in the death of the head of the earthly beast.)

          What is the meaning of the beast rising from the earth?.Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/meaning-beast-rising-earth/

          When Does Babylon Fall?. Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/when-does-babylon-the-great-fall/

          • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

            To,
            My Dear Brother Bklyn Kevin,
            Well brother you said: However, I do not agree with you when you say there are two wild beast. Okay You mean to say that Rev: 13:3 says: a wild beast……………. with ten horns and seven heads, and on its horns ten diadems, I saw that one of its heads seemed to have been fatally wounded, but its mortal wound had been healed, is not the Anglo American = 7th world power?

            So what is the beast in Rev:13:11? Then I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb,….

            Why it is worded as another wild beast please kindly tell me I am ready to correct?

            Also see the difference in describing the beast that in Rev: 13:3: wild beast is having ten horns and seven heads, and on its horns ten diadems but in Rev:13:11: Another wild beast having two horns like a lamb,… If the wild beast having two horns like a lamb is not another then why it should exercise all the authority of the first wild beast (of Rev:13:3)?

            What I meant was at that time the fatally wounded wild beast will be defunct so instead the (an intermediate temporary government whose administrative rules will be dictated by the persons who were previously in the power of British administration and Anglophiles who were in the American administration) wild beast having two horns like a lamb will tell the people of the world to form an organization (Rev: 13:12: it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword-stroke and yet revived),

            And it was permitted to give breath to the image of the wild beast…. What is breath like thing that is given to the image of the wild beast? Well when all the nations surrender their sovereignty to the image of the wild beast (Rev: 17:13: by giving their power and authority to the wild beast) it is as if giving breath to the wild beast what will be called as UN/NOW.

            Yes what Watchtower said that two symbolic seven-headed beasts that coexist is wrong.
            I don’t know why you said because I never said that beast in Rev: 13:3 and the beast in Rev:17:3 co-exist, instead I said that when the beast of Rev: 13:3 get fatally wounded, during its defunct period the beast with the lamb of the horn prepares the way for the seven-headed scarlet-colored beast of Rev: 17:3 which
            will be UN. Though the bible depicts the beast in Rev: 13:3: a wild beast having ten horns and another beast in Rev: 13:11 having two horns like a lamb,…. differently yet the bible does not take that power of Rev:13:11 beast into consideration because it only prepares the way for the 8th king which is the scarlet-colored wild beast of Rev:17:3. So I did not say that there are two beasts.

            You said that: The seven-headed, scarlet-colored beast, upon which the harlot rides is said to be entirely different from the seven-headed beast portrayed elsewhere in Revelation.

            Yes that is correct because the seven-headed, scarlet-colored beast of Rev: 17:3 is the UN at that time other beast take the back seat and ceases to exist. That is why it hates the prostitute (false religion or Babylon the great) and destroys with fire (=forever).

            I know this! I don’t know why you said. Tell me where I am wrong.

            Also I don’t know why you asked me to read: Is it possible the UN is not the wild beast?
            YES INDEED UN IS A WILD BEAST. I KNOW THAT!

            Any way love and affection to you from me because you love Jehovah and Jesus and you love the scriptures that is what I like even though whatever difference of opinion exists between you and me. You said you are preparing a paper on some biblical topics what is all that? Will you share with me? I like your knowledge because knowledge is better than ignorance as I am not like GB of WBTS.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Brother Basavaraj please forgive me for misunderstanding your explanation concerning the seven headed wild beast.

              I thought you were trying to suggest that there were two separate seven headed wild beast as the watchtower puts forth In some of their commentarys when in reality there’s only one which transforms into the eighth king .

              That’s why I had provided you with the links to brother Roberts commentary because his reasoning on the matter is excellent as well as scriptural and clearly shows that there is one seven headed wild beast which transforms into the eighth king.

              And the wild beast that was but is not,it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction. Revelation 17:13.

              Now concerning your question when you asked “So what is the beast in Rev:13:11? Then I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb,….?

              What about the “false prophet” of Revelation?.QUESTION:

              How are we to understand the identity of the false prophet, recorded at Rev 16:13?
              Except:
              ANSWER: The Watchtower identifies the false prophet as the same entity as represented in the 13th chapter of Revelation as the two-horned beast that rises up from the earth and begins speaking as a dragon.
              This seems to be the correct interpretation. However, we may be certain that the “false prophet” has not come on the scene yet. Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/false-prophet/

              What is the meaning of the beast rising from the earth?

              QUESTION: In view of your latest article on the new world order, how does Revelation 13:11-16 (fit in?)
              Excerpt:
              Just as the multi-headed beast of Revelation is a composite of various parts of the individual beasts presented in the seventh chapter of Daniel, expressed as individual heads of the seven-headed beast from the sea, the two-horned beast is also represented as one of the seven heads. Which one? It is, obviously, the last one of the seven.

              The Watchtower’s identification of the two-horned beast out of the earth as the
              Anglo-American dyad is correct.
              Since the fatal wounding of the head of the beast initiates judgment day, it is evident that it is a future event.
              That being the case, so is the ascension of the two-horned beast.
              The beast rising up from the earth symbolizes the beast returning from the grave – the abyss – coinciding with the seemingly slaughtered head coming back to life.
              Read more> https://e-watchman.com/meaning-beast-rising-earth/

              Basavaraj you also asked “Why it is worded as another wild beast please kindly tell me I am ready to correct?
              My answer to you>
              By the scriptures using the wording (another wild beast) although it is the same wild beast simply shows it’s progressive transformation as it moves along in the stream of time – a personality change as It were yet it is the same wild beast / entity and will eventually be a tyrannical eighth king / one world government.

            • Old lady brady

              Hi Kevin, will witnesses mistake world war 3 for tribulation?. Is there two tribulations because I’ve seen two tribulations being mentioned on this site, tribulation and Great Tribulation. Is the Great Tribulation Armageddon?. I would appreciate your thoughts on these questions as I’m finding the matter confusing.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Robert has some excellent thoughts concerning your questions in this article

              What is the Great Tribulation and Holy Place?.
              Excerpt:
              Because the great tribulation is destined to come upon the entire inhabited earth during Christ’s presence, terrorizing the peoples of the world to the extent of their becoming faint with fright, it obviously involves much more than merely the legislated banning of organized religion. The great tribulation evidently encompasses the jarring collapse of the entire global system, including that which was typified by Jerusalem and its holy temple in ancient times.

              In brief: The great tribulation is to be immediately preceded, if not precipitated by, global war, food shortages, pandemics, and great earthquakes in various places and a massive falling away of Christians, as well as persecutions and martyrdom for the faithful. Then, after the beginning pangs of distress have served as a signal that the parousia has begun, Jesus said a “disgusting thing” would violate and desolate God’s holy place, which Christ described as a great tribulation that would require Christians to take decisive action. Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/great-tribulation-holy-place/

              The meaning of the 7 times of Nebuchadnezzar’s madness?.
              Excerpt:
              So, the seven times may apply to the period of judgment that will commence in the aftermath of the fall of the leading nation of the world. It may be that the seven times are a literal seven years or simply a symbolic period. Time will tell.

              (No pun intended.)

              But, we may be certain that during that period all people will be forced to know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind

              I personally think the Tribulation refers to a full seven year period while the “Great Tribulation” refers to the second half of the Tribulation witch is three and one half years. Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/the-seven-times-of-nebuchadnezzar/

            • Bklyn Kevin

              When Is the Great Crowd Gathered?.

              Excerpt:
              So, when does the great crowd come into existence? During the great tribulation. That is when the chosen ones will be gathered, after the tribulation is cut short. Here is what Christ said: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.” Read more> https://e-watchman.com/great-crowd-gathered/

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              TO Dear brother Bklyn Kevin may i know your email id I want to contact you I have some more points on sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the
              stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be
              shaken. What is your opinion? Is it Physical and something else which I have an idea and I want to share with you.

            • Old lady brady

              Thank you for your insight, sorry for the late reply.

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              Oh that’s great thank you for your insight. Well you did not tell more about your working on some paper. What s all about please tell me. By the by I want to know where are you from and how you came to truth and how you met ewatchman are you holding some responsibility in the congregation? or are you wounded by the elders in the congregation?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              You could find me on face book here’s the link https://www.facebook.com/demoman501 and you can also find my notes there concerning those papers and if you have any questions you can inbox me in the face book messenger.
              But I think you need to have a face book account but that shouldn’t be a problem
              you could just make yourself an account and as soon as you do just sent me a friendship request.

    • i ask Jehovah the same thing but like Robert said, Jehovah is not fully satisfied yet with the spreading of the good news. from the looks of it, its not going to get any better without devine intervention. also, he is patient. also perhaps he is looking for more to choose for the seven thousand.

      that is something to pray to Jehovah about. i can say i do. it seems i become more of a sinner every day and i have to work harder on my integrity and continue talking to and walking with Jehovah. Enoch walked with Jehovah for 300 years, how many times did Enoch mess up and start over again? he didnt even have Jesus sacrifice at his time before the flood.

      while we are wondering what Jehovah is waiting for, what can we be doing to be and stay ready? if you or anyone has ideas, then post and share them.

      • Bklyn Kevin

        All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. Matthew 24:8.
        7 Times Chronology – part two.
        Question from Leonard k. “So basicly what you are saying here is that Jehovah sticks to his divine pattern ?.
        Answer from Bklyn Kevin.
        It’s not what I’m suggesting, that’s what the bible is suggesting.
        I’m just saying I’ve noticed whether it’s 70 weeks of years or a literal seven years Jehovah always seems to stay within his divine boundary of seven when accomplishing his purpose, so then why wouldn’t it be the same for the tribulations?.
        I think the tribulation refers to a full seven year period while the “Great Tribulation” refers to the second half of the tribulation witch is three and one half years or 42 months.
        Lets say that the great tribulation is going to be 3 ½ years like the bible clearly states, then how do we explain Daniel’s 1,290 days as well as his 1.335 days which go over the 3 ½ year time period?, obviously It just does not make any sense at all unless you use a seven year time period or 2,520 days .
        Now 2,520 Days equal Seven years and is symbolic of one Biblical week. See Daniel 9:24-27. There are 70 weeks that have been determined for your people and your holy city.
        First half of the week is 3 ½ years or——- 1,260 days = Pangs of distress.
        Second half of the week is 3 ½ years or—- 1,260 days = Great Tribulation.
        Now add > 1.260 days+1,260 days——–= 2,520 days = Biblical week ended/armageddon.
        Now subtract Daniel’s 12:11 prophetic days 1.290
        that would mean the disgusting thing gets put
        In place In the first half of the week on day=1,230.
        The Lord’s Day is Coming Exactly as a Thief in the Night.
        Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.1 Thessalonians 5:3.
        Excerpt: Their saying “peace and security” immediately precedes nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom —in other words: world war three, which will destroy the present ordering of nations and bring down the Anglo-American duo – “sudden destruction.” And because that catastrophe will also bring about the sudden end of the Watchtower-sponsored, world-wide work, effectively closing the door of salvation, even the survivors of the global war, famine and pestilence will not escape the ultimate destruction at Armageddon. That is why Jesus reiterated his warning one last time, placing his thief-like coming as an immediate prelude to Armageddon, since the beginning of the conclusion will segue into the end in short order.Read more> https://e-watchman.com/lords-day-co
        How will the end come for the Watchtower?.
        Excerpt: The coming of Christ will coincide with the world erupting in war, the spread of disease pandemics and widespread food shortages. Then, following swiftly will come the Crash – the complete collapse of the political and economic system. Jehovah’s Witnesses will then be subjected to an intense period of confusion and doubt. And as Jesus foretold, many will be stumbled. Although the Watchtower will be discredited and quite likely cease functioning as a Bible and tract publishing society, apparently it will still exist in some form. But at that point it will stand in complete opposition to Christ. It will then be an antichrist. Read more> https://e-watchman.com/how-will-the

        But on the day that Lot went out of Sodʹom, it rained fire and sulfur from heaven and destroyed them all. It will be the same on that day when the Son of man is revealed. Luke 17:29-30.
        All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. Matthew 24:8.
        Let the reader take note that the interval between the wild beast sword-stroke and the disgusting thing being put in place is the beginning of the time period for meting out divine justice when the four apocalyptic horsemen ride and men become faint out of fear because of the anguish of the nation’s not knowing the way out. Luke 21:25-27 Revelation 6:1-4.
        In the first half of the week on day 1 when they are saying “peace and security” Sudden destruction comes upon them and one of the heads of the wild beast will be inflicted with a sword-stroke only to revive on day 1,185 and then they will put the disgusting thing in place on day 1,230 and It misleads everyone on earth. And then in the middle of the week on day 1,260 begins the second half of the week – then the “Great Tribulations” will ensue for the next 42 months until its completion at Armageddon.
        It misleads those who dwell on the earth, because of the signs that it was permitted to perform in the sight of the wild beast, while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword-stroke and yet revived. Revelation 13:14.
        And arms will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature. And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation. Daniel 11:31.
        The disgusting thing that causes desolation will be put in place on day 1,230 in the first half of the week when the seven headed wild beast revives and springs into the eighth king. Revelation 17:11. At this point – Daniel’s 1,290 days begins.
        Reads more>
        https://www.facebook.com/notes/kevin-flynn/all-these-things-are-a-beginning-of-pangs-of-distress-matthew-248/10154551132057520

        • but the the question to ask is – what is the theif-like coming we do not think likely?

          A.) day 1 (nobody knows day one)
          B.) day 2,370 (day 1,110 is 2,370 days after day 1)

          day 1 he is coming like a thief but day 2,370 he isnt.

          is the parousia the theif-like coming or are they two different things?

          it seems that Jesus is saying his parousia is the theif-like presence or coming.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            I believe the signs of Jesus’presence is different from when he actually walks along side his chosen ones.

            however at present I have been working on A paper which will disclose these Biblical facts but it is not ready yet.
            D.A. I Only know what I have already told you in our conversations and as soon as that paper is ready I will happily share it with everyone.

            • in that case his sign-presence is different then his already being presently with us currently and so the sign-presence is as a thief yet his manifestation is not but is scheduled by appointment on day 2,370 after he comes as a thief-like sign on the unknown day 1.

              so day 1 he comes as a thief with signs that he is about to be here in the second part of the week and from that first sign we count up to 2,370 to his parousia.

              then at first he is thief-like on day 1 only to show he wont be later on day 2,370 (to those that know that is the day of appointment)

              where is the appointment located? (address)

            • Burt Reynolds

              Oh dear DA. I feel your frustration and I love your brutal honesty. I too am tired of waiting, tired of having no answer, tired of trying to unravel the chronology, the prophesy….it’s endless. But I cannot divorce myself from the creator, or the creation, that is for me, the evidence, the hope, the promise. My faith is simple. By that I mean I don’t indulge in the prophesy chronology. I can’t understand the days times this or that….well, cant remember it; the endless riddles….why does it have to be hidden or complex? The scriptures are simple, yet hidden, blatant, yet a conundrum. For me then, I know a few things. I love righteousness but am still a sinner. Christ died for me. There is a creator. I love the Creator and his righteousness. I love creation. The design, the wonders. I love my brothers as much as I am able. I am so grateful that there are people who love righteousness. I love the reflection of Jehovah in Christ and the outworking of the salvation. And that’s about it for me. I hope it all comes about before I kick the bucket, if not, I just go the way of my father and of those before him, in hope, if nothing less. I am just a person born into these times. Dust on the scales, caught between two spiritual, warring superpowers, and I know no different, only on whose side I am. Some of us can teach. Some of us are here only to learn. Ars longa, vita brevis.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              The Apostle Paul felt the same way as well.

              For at present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face to face. At present I know partially, but then I shall know accurately even as I am accurately known. Now, however, there remain faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is 1 Corinthians 13:12-13.

            • amen

              work on your health via through prayer and youll live to see if Jehovah wills

            • Bklyn Kevin

              D.A. It’s obvious to me that you are now intune with my thoughts concerning the signs and presence of Jesus -what else can I tell you? you already know what I know.
              So with that being said now it’s time to be long suffering as to be patient and master endurance why we are waiting for Jesus’ presence like everyone else is.

              Therefore, do not throw away your boldness, which will be richly rewarded. For you need endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the fulfillment of the promise. For yet “a very little while,”and “the one who is coming will arrive and will not delay.””But my righteous one will live by reason of faith,” and “if he shrinks back, I have no pleasure in him.”Now we are not the sort who shrink back to destruction, but the sort who have faith for the preserving of our lives. Hebrews10:35-39.

            • amen

              endurance is what to pray for. that our faith not give out. that we not be led into temptation. that our relationship with Jehovah be unbreakable. that we maintain our stand for the truth.

      • Arvid Fløysand

        there must be a reason why we are here on this site..i belive we must keep on praying ,searching ,asking,knocking and digging…and of course be Christlike in mind to everyone ..collect all the “oil” that we can find,we might need it one day when all around us get dark..lets continue to take care of everyone who are humble and good of heart on this site as long as we are able to it…i for sure are very very happy to be here on this site with all of you beautiful brothers and sisters…it is a great honour to serve our King Jesus and our God Jehova together with all of you

        • Jesus spoke to the congregations ahead of time in the book of Rev. that is the problems going on among Jehovah’s people now that he said to work on. it persist through the tribulation – the lords day. he didnt say that cause it wouldnt be the case but that it would be a problem for us to repent.
          we have to show Jehovah our loyality to him through this torture chamber. it sucks.

    • Michelle

      Thank you so much Basavaraj, for your thoughtful reply. I was the person who submitted the question. Part of the reason for my question, is that in reading and listening to Robert’s writings, he himself has commented at times that he didn’t think this old world would make it to the end of (fill in the year), going back to at least 2010. But I suppose he has no more insider knowledge than we do lol. Ultimately, though you are correct: this is Jehovah’s kingdom and things will occur on his timetable. It just gets so very discouraging looking at the suffering all over the world. Thank you for your balanced perspective.

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        I appreciate such questions and I am the person who encourage such ones to remain in faith. thanks for your reply

  • muldoon55 .

    I was wondering how accurate my understanding of the end is so if anyone could help me or clarify what I have believed I would be grateful.
    The great tribulation is a 3.5 year period that starts with collapse of America (prophetically portrayed by ancient Egypt) an event that coincides with Christs taking Kingdom power in heaven and Satan being hurled to earth and his short time beginning.
    Then Jehovah will bring about worldwide punishing wars and pestilence that as revelation points out that will result in one third of earths inhabitant being wiped out.
    In fact there will be a question of humanity even surviving the worldwide calamity.Unless those days were cut short right?
    Then suddenly a king will rise up and almost as if empowered by God brings an end to what was certainly destined to be an Extinction level event.
    All earths inhabitants will be in awe of this miraculous recovery
    and even attribute it to Gods doing.
    Thereafter a period of restored peace and economic goings on must eventually be re established on earth and all earths inhabitants will marvel at this eighth king however this king or world government will soon turn despotic and seek to do away with any so called christians who may have allegiance to God and most likely would have been engaging vigorously in witnessing about the recent events and their real meaning.
    Therefore in a move to exact exclusive allegiance to itself this king or world government will cause some kind of image to be erected or worldwide edict enacted requiring all to worship this image (mark of the beast) under pain of at the very least least not being able to buy or sell the necessities of life and at most execution or both.
    This I believe will be the real test for followers of Jesus and his father Jehovah God for any who give over their allegiance to this ( would be messianic counterfeit government) will not as revelation confirms ” have their names written in the lambs book of life”
    This is the hour of test Jesus spoke of that will come in upon the whole inhabited earth.
    Is it this act by the eighth king (to exterminate every one clinging to their loyalty to God)
    that triggers the touching of Gods’ eye which then signals Gods’ warrior King alongside myriads of angelic executioners to express Gods’ full wrath against this God defiant unredeemable world
    I think I have at least some of this correct but would appreciate any clarity from my beloved brothers and sisters here

    • ewatchman

      The wars, famine and pestilence lead into the tribulation. Not the other way around. And I doubt the great tribulation will last for three and a half years. God is going to cut it short. The 1,260 days are the period after the death of the beast and its resurrection until the end.

      • muldoon55 .

        Ok thank you Robert
        for that
        I appreciate your site
        MayGod continue blessing you with insight

      • Joseph Stephan

        Hope he shows us mercy, because once the lights go out and the waters cut, not to mention the madness in the streets and at the grocery store.
        Most of us won’t last 3 -1/2 days, or 3 -1/2 months , imagine 3-1/2 years………….. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/10d247e328f28b4f13fb5b987c2b2f10c728a2de42b856250d0ff681e865ed8e.jpg

        • sally

          I agree, 3.5 years living in “mad max” terrain? I would certainly snuff it well before 3.5 years was over and I consider myself quite hardy usually. I think that it would be difficult for more elderly people to survive that long, as well as children or those with illness or disability. 3.5 years sounds like survival of the fittest.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days
          for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved. Matthew 24:19-22.

      • in my mind the tribulation gets cut short before (or simultaneously) the disgusting thing heals then gets put in place. are you saying that the tribulation is cut after its put in place?

        • Bklyn Kevin

          After the Tribulation in Those Days.
          Excerpt:
          In view the fact that Jesus said the tribulation would be cut short on account of the chosen ones, otherwise no flesh would be saved, indicates that the tribulation is an existential crisis for all humanity, not merely the destruction of false religion.

          What does it mean that the tribulation is cut short?

          That the tribulation does not immediately lead into Armageddon is evident from the fact that Jesus referred to events occurring “immediately after the tribulation in those days.” Its being cut short means that the nations will be allowed to recover momentarily. That is what is symbolized by the beast crawling out of the abyss, by the mortally wounded head that miraculously revives. In the aftermath of the tribulation Revelation depicts the angels holding back the four winds of destruction. Why? In order that the sealing of the chosen ones may be finished. Jesus indicated as much when he said after the tribulation the great trumpet will sound and the chosen ones will be gathered. Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/after-the-tribulation-in-those-days/

          • i know that but im asking the question to Robert specifically

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Well the answer is coming from Roberts own article which he wrote – did it not? .
              So it can be said that Robert did answer your question provided you read his article.
              You know as a matter of fact if one takes the time and types in a key word or a question in the search box on this page – nine out of ten times they will find the answer to there question.
              Isn’t that one of the many reasons why Robert has carefully researched and written these articles?.
              That’s what I do and it works just fine.

            • yes which is why i carefully chose the words “i know”. thank you kevin but this isnt a case of anyone just answering the question. i need feedback from Robert here without any interruption an compilation to what i posted that is going to influence his response and make me angry.

              thank you

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Hello Muldoom55 hope all has been well with you .

      Personally I enjoyed reading your comment thank you, and just to let you know it’s apparent to me that you know more about the time of the end than most brothers and sisters do.
      It’s obvious that Jehovah has been blessing your efforts.

      However sometimes I get confused about the time of the end and that’s why I like to keep these two articles handy.
      A Detailed Summary of the Time of the End
      https://e-watchman.com/a-detailed-summary/.

      After the Tribulation in Those Days.
      https://e-watchman.com/after-the-tribulation-in-those-days/

      • muldoon55 .

        Thank you Kevin for your kind words and for the resources to look up
        It’s good to come here and get encouraging words such as yours

    • e.v.g

      The harlot is g

      • e.v.g

        The GT is a consequence from this situation, is a wake up call “we must be ready as Jesus said”

        • define ready

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Be dressed and ready and have your lamps burning, and you should be like men waiting for their master to return from the marriage, so when he comes and knocks, they may at once open to him.

            But know this, if the householder had known at what hour the thief would come, he would not have let his house be broken into.

            You also, keep ready, because at an hour that you do not think likely, the Son of man is coming Luke 12:35-40.

    • Old lady brady

      Hi muldoon, a big thank you for that brilliant explanation of how the end will come about. Apart from the slight adjustment made by brother king I loved reading your post and all your past comments. Your a legend!.

      • muldoon55 .

        Dear sister Brady ,
        thank you for your kind words of encouragement.
        I have learned so much here from brother King and from good folks like you and I pray we are sustained by our Heavenly Father in the trying days and years yet ahead of us.
        God bless you

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  • Arvid Fløysand

    One day will be the very last day of this wicked world and the day after will be the very first day in the wonderful new free world…how i longing for those two very spesial days in history.To see and be witness to JEHOVAS powerful judgement of all evil and unjustice,,,and thereafter feel the exploding happiness and joy ,when the first day of the new world is a reality .

  • Cory Dean Majore

    Hi Brothers & Sisters I posted on the Guest book I am very very excited of my new found finally recovering relationship with Jehovah and his son Jesus and am very excited to speak with all of you I have been reading Robert Kings book and thinking spiritually again reading my Bible again going to meetings again and oh man do they get interesting when you know the truth about the Truth I feel so privileged and loved by Jehovah Jah~Bless I am happy to arrive and remain here cause I believe I have finally found the other ones 🙂

    • Joseph Stephan

      Welcome! We are privileged to have you here with us, it’s great to hear you are doing well in your journey back!
      If you have found a renewed joy in worshiping Jehovah because of the new understanding you have acquired, thank Jehovah for it. It is his way of caring for you! What part of the world do you call home?
      We are all here to help each other grow spiritualy !! May Jehovah continue to bless you.
      Joseph, from Virginia USA

      • Cory Dean Majore

        I am Currently in Alberta Canada I move cities and congregations a lot throughout Canada I am very much a nomadic traveling type but my movement from congregation to congregation had been partially due to some very perplexing circumstances Within and outside of the congregation for it is a very jagged situation you find yourself in when your under attack from within and persecuted outside attacked from both sides I come from the wrong side of the tracks as I like to put it although I was raised by my single mother in the Truth I fell away and lived a sinful life on the streets and was in and out of hospitals and on and off the streets much of the time and I got heavily involved in drugs see I embraced the Truth with my whole heart Jehovah had delivered me from my addictions but the when my joy was gradually crushed by things such as spiritual abuse from hypocritical elders in the congregation I felt un wanted by Jehovah that was very silly to think but it’s what I thought and unfortunately at times instead of preserving in prayer I turned back to the relief of the streets and resumed my association with persons I found dysfunctional but much more understanding accepting and open minded at times and through this I would think about Jehovah every day I am very excited in what I am learning in this book by Robert King and am kinda confused I’ve been studying with witnesses for about 5 years worked my way up to being publisher once before having a psychiatric break down and a subsequent addiction to benzodiazepines that sent me to various rehabilitations and rehabs. Anyways I’m confused as to wether I should still shoot for baptism or stay watchful on the outskirts of the organization. I still see the point to stay in association with my brothers and sisters at the Hall that I see as Christ like and be there as a companion born in times of distress I see the point of being at the Hall with the attitude Christ had towards the temple that had been then occupied by Pharisees or the attitude David had towards anointed Saul who was in the course of falling from grace and staying humble in expectation waiting on Jehovah like Samuel or Hannah yes I see that Jehovah will act on these terrible injustices going on in the organization I am so excited to be one of the ones to have acquired a measure of discernment and feel loved and cared for by Jehovah and deeply want be of service to him and am pondering and wondering how to go about doing so. I hear Brothers and sisters in the hall asking subtle questions almost afraid to ask outright so I look for opportunities when they feel comfortable to question even subtly to give a subtle answer and place a subtle seed. It was kind of hard for me to wake up my trip here really started speeding up with the doubts that I had that lead me all sorts of places such as the Baha’i faith for a short time and then here and I came back to this site daily and woke up I’ve known Jehovah and Jesus were real for a long time in the back of my mind and it’s times like these that I come to a point of capital K-N-O-W knowing there real and they again are so much more awesome then I previously could comprehend anyways I could go on and on thank you for welcoming me 🙂

        • ewatchman

          Hi Cory

          Just keep in mind that everyone who is part of the world is under Satan’s influence to a greater or lesser degree. They are naturally going to be more “understanding” and welcoming and accommodating.

          • Cory Dean Majore

            Yes I get that to an extent many times I have injured myself spiritually by jumping over the fence as it were to save an old friend from an old haunt and I’d come back over to the side where the grass truly is greener wounded every time I understand that I’m not some special super hero of some sort now I used to believe I could “save” people when I was first learning of the Truth. Now that I get thinking association really has so many layers though like knowing what I know now I am not as easily stumbled by a person who professes to be a true. Christian but proves otherwise by there actions now to problem seems that I must attain a measure of self control and stop stumbling myself see I opened up to many of the wrong doors in my excursions into the darker corners of this system and now I find association had layers other then social like if I associate material gain or fame with glory I am lacking humility if I associate alcohol or other indulgences with pleasure and a good time I’m not likely to keep my senses association is almost a strategic warlike game now a days on the social level I do what I can to show people the right way and stay in it myself yet it’s changed to how can I now do that that I am afraid if I was to direct someone to the Hall they may be more or less chewed up and spit out as was I and in this frightening time of the end speaking from being in the place of a conspiracy theorist and a nomadic survivalist I tell my mother I really believe that we all have to learn to Love and even share accommodations with True brothers and sisters but I see that the love truly had grown cold in the congregations in this town and I fear they won’t get the nessciesity of love by the time the economy crashes this has been the case out of 20% of congregations I have been to but it’s still troubling me. To the extent I had a rather crazy idea of creating some sort of physical network the way one creates a social network maybe I just fantasize to admontly on the adventures of apostle Paul going from town to town getting in all sorts of danger for the sake of Truth I’m hoping I am or can be able bodied enough to be ready to Die for my beliefs may sound extreme but those doors I opened are not easy to get shut my struggle with addiction and unwholesome desire is a daily thing I truly find I must take one day at a time I’d much rather the persecution then the constant struggle with sin and imperfection I’d rather die some sort of martyrs death then some relapse transpire and take me out. Sorry I’ve gotten way off topic. I’m very sleep deprived my convictions are true though. I want to be of service to the fullest extent possible to love Jehovah with my whole heart mind and spirit and love my neighbor as myself. Sorry for rambling I have not had any sort of sound board that had not been more or less misleading for awhile. I want to feel like I have a purpose and a mission again whatever that may entail.

            • ewatchman

              Yeah, you can’t really pull someone else out of the hole if you jump down in the same put they’re in.

              By the way, back when I was a young man I went through the whole drug thing, even while I was studying and going to meetings. I can tell you from my experience that until you make a clean break from Satan’s world Jehovah will not really bless you.

            • Cory Dean Majore

              Yeah I have felt that I have made a 360% Turn over only to turn 360% Back to the dark side and it bothers me so much that I have returned to my vomit like a dog so many times I know how great it feels to transcend the flesh I want so badly to get back there I don’t do drugs or drink anymore but I still struggle in other ways to make a clean break at the Hall they (The Elders) say I have to be clean 6 months before even qualifying to be a publisher and in my predicament that seems impossible like a catch 22 thing I need to be of service to overcome my filth I feel yet I feel I’m left to feel rather useless I ended up rather dejected at some meetings hearing of the ministry and knowing that I don’t qualify where others that abuse the privilege of there position do. I wonder if I should still shoot for baptism or stay on the outskirts and watch I know either way I gotta keep my nose clean. I really miss how soft my pillow was for the short time I was allowed to go out on service and I was clean and feeling like i was doing the right things for the right reasons.

            • ELiJAHx7

              Hang on Brother, I can relate as many here can…DO NOT give up no matter what, I for one am pulling for you, praying for you…reach and hold on to Jehovah’s outstretched hand!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Corey, I’m in absolute agreement with EliJAHx7 with his words to you…he’s put it across beautifully. Your story of Faith, Courage and so much Love for Jehovah really broke my heart…with joy at you trying so hard to overcome your addictions and recognising them and with sadness at your ongoing battle at trying to get ‘approved.’ I’m rooting for you all the way Corey! Jehovah knows your heart and through what you’ve wrote in your post we’ve also got a glimpse of the sincere inner person you are and I know based on that Jehovah God will be with you every step of the way, shoulder to shoulder if you just keep looking to his Word, the Bible for guidance…everything is in there to support us in our struggles. I hope Bklyn Kevin reads your story and provides some insightful and supportive scriptures for you as he’s so good at that. Thank you Corey for baring your soul in such an honest way and I’ll be thinking of you. Much, much Christian love to you.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Sorry To be going on Corey, but wanted to share this with you. My child was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder with Physocpathic traits (BPD), she’s 22yrs, she also has Clinical Depression and Social Anxiety Disorder so she binge drinks, has done drugs but not to being an addict…but her addiction is alcohol…bad things have happened to her coupled with many suicide attempts and self harm mingled with violence when she’s under the influence…it’s been a living nightmare for everyone involved…but mainly for her! So from time to time she receives counselling for the drink problem when it’s really impacting. This year, in summer while we’re at one of those counselling sessions which is filled with drug addicts I’m sat there waiting for her and on the wall one of the addicts had done a freehand drawing of a demon evil looking figure, written at the top of the drawing was, Old Life, then another drawing (side by side) was a another drawing with an open doorway with a beautiful Angel, filling the whole doorway with beauty and light and written at the top of the drawing was, New Life. I’m sat there that morning with all that sad human misery and I felt so humbled at that drawing…I felt so much hope for everybody there trying to overcome…might not win, but just trying.

            • Cory Dean Majore

              Yes I understand that empathy one benefit of my struggles Id like to believe is a greater Love for my neighbors. I myself was diagnosed with schizo-effective obsessive compulsive disorder and before I had much to do with the Truth I had a child with my ex who was Borderline I remember she was either really clingy or seemed to hate my guts it was hard….for both of us cause I was not easy to live with either. Much of my life I regret…If it was not for having a child though I very well believe I would be dead cause although I attended at least memorials and conventions sometimes circuit overseer talks or assembly’s much of my life & believed Jehovah & the Truth in the back of my mind I had no Love for myself……I really didn’t believe I deserved ever lasting life…I honestly hated myself and that drove my addictions and my life spiraling way out of control…when I had a child I looked for Jehovah for guidance raising my child and I realized if he really did Love me I could come to Love myself cause although I didn’t think I deserved it hes smarter than me and his ways higher than my ways…..I’m so sorry for your struggles I know my mom…..the pain shes been through do to my concurrent disorders…I’ve come to have hope that all of our sufferings and struggles are for a greater good though….Thank You all so much.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Thank You Cory, for your reply. I have a lot of time for ones like yourself, Andereiga, Burt, e.v.g, Cocheta and others who bare their souls in full HD and in a raw, uncensored way not afraid to be vulnerable. Once you get a diagnosis with a mentall illness it’s all about managing it, taking your meds and not exacerbate the problem by taking ‘extra curricular drugs.’ Now you have a child you have to be responsible for it would be a selfish thing to do by ending your precious life…you have to make sacrifices once a child is involved. Jehovah is looking out for you Cory as you’re here on Brother King’s site…he knows you have a sincere heart towards him and will provide comfort for you through his word the Bible. Jehovah is the God of Comfort and he’s super loyal. Once you know the REAL TRUTH of God’s Word as ones on this site has found out it takes the edge off the nonsense and horror of Satan’s hideous world!! Your Mum did an excellent job Cory in teaching you about Jehovah. I have absolute respect for women like her. Despite everything I know your Mum is immensely proud of you because that’s how I feel towards my child when I can see her really trying to overcome the demon drink…and it is the demon drink..she’s doing well at the moment so we’re having a breather from the nightmare! You need a Mentor Cory..a lovely Brother who takes you under his wing which I know might be a bit difficult as you lead a nomadic life. A good Spiritual Mentor for you might be the Apostle Paul who was nomadic and who had a thorn in his side that really bothered him…I know not an addiction but still, a real problem that was interfering..was interrupting his spirituality. Read the account in 2Corinthians12:7-10. Jehovah says his Grace is sufficient for you as his Power is being made perfect in weakness. Another good site is Perimeno and Baruq. Brother Perimeno comes in from another angle from Brother King. Brother King deals with prophecy but they’re both Anointed Ones. Once again Cory, it’s fantastic having you here, nice and spiritually safe on EWatchman.

            • sally

              Hi Corey..what she (Beverly) said.
              Welcome around here anyway we all have got our struggles and it sounds like you have a few but you have come to the right place for sure, hopefully this site will inspire you to keep going, knowing all are routing for you. To know the real truth is such a huge and wonderful gift it is worth all of our struggles combined times a billion zillion trillion. Please stick around 🙂

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              What is exactly the clean break from Satan’s world….is there a grey area?

            • e.v.g

              There is no grey area, we are in the hole until we take drastic actions.

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              What’s that suppose to mean?

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              checkmate……(smile)

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              EVG. In a lot of cases meeting attendance leads to substance abuse. Even doctor prescriptions just to cope with the demands of the WTS. But in Jehovah’s eyes there’s no grey area?….hmmm!

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Maybe I should ask what drastic actions we should take?

            • e.v.g

              The most important thing is to please God, I was not addicted to drugs except one or two times that i smoked weed while o was listening infamous 70s rock bands, but i was alcoholic and immoral, if you want to please God you need to make changes no matter what. (Matt 16:24,27)

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Exactly brother!……by the grace of God there is a grey area, if there wasn’t then Robert wouldn’t be here, neither would you or I….(smile) Love you bud!

            • ELiJAHx7

              I was “the man in the box” Praise Jehovah for giving me the strength to open the lid and come out!

            • e.v.g

              70% has to do with our mind I believe (Matt 15: 19). Having self control is the challenge, I fought with my mind at the beginning, it wasn’t easy brother, those damn tendencies. I had to filled my mind with bible verses like the above, I had to find joyful in the field service and all that(1Tess 5: 16,17) (Gal 5:16) I know that some brothers like you had to fight to please Jehovah, after all that’s the work of the watchtower and their co-workers.

            • ELiJAHx7

              A negative mind will never give you a positive life….The struggle is very much a mental one…
              Replacing our negative thoughts with positive spiritual thoughts, by the mental regulating of Jehovah, we can overcome our weaknesses

            • drastick actions should be that of bulding ones faith and trying there best to live by jehovahs word and do his will.

            • e.v.g

              We have to take drastic actions because flesh is weak, leaving all kind of addictions like sex, drugs, alcohol etc. You can go to the meetings and all that but we can be immersed in dirt.

            • Revelation 3:16
              So because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of my mouth.

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Okay, Is that my trivia question for the week?

            • theres nothing trivia about it brother it simply means works without faith is dead so we really need to put forth our best efforts concerning his word and his will.

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              I don’t dispute that Leonard but I think statements such as,”until you make a clean break from Satan’s world Jehovah will not really bless you” is a bit of a misnomer. I probably wouldn’t have said that to someone who is struggling such as Cory. I like the term, “one day at a time” a little better, short and sweet. “Keep it simple” is another good one. The irony of making a “clean break” from Satan’s world will most definitely apply to the WT flock at some point in the future. Thanks for the encouragement.

            • you are correct and I did not mean to say that a person could make a clean break just like that from this wicked system of things of course not it takes much prayer and building of faith one must constantly pray and rely on Jehovah ask him for strength and holy spirit we must in faith do the best we can and put our burdens on Jehovah’s shoulders and Jehovah will make the way out if we are faithful and trying to the best of our ability. salvation is a gift but we must work for it. if I am stumbled or confused any one pleasse forgive me that was not my intencion.

            • e.v.g

              Cleaning the mind and the body takes time for those in the outside but there are those who Jesus can’t be put it twice in the stake. This is the main target of this website

            • LW

              You’re talking about those called right?

            • e.v.g

              Yes

        • Anderiega

          Welcome Corey! I struggle with addictions as well. “Being of service” is absolutely a therapeutic way to insure daily recovery. Even though your elders don’t want you “publishing” until you’re “clean” for 6 months, there are still plenty of other avenues to be of service. Going door to door is only one form. I used to regularly attend 12 step (simultaneously with the KH) and it worked for me. I know other mature JWs in recovery who sponsor and attend those meetings as well. Yes, you need to use discernment and not “preach” God’s name in that forum (Higher Power is the language there) but the principles for addiction are nonetheless very beneficial. I used to have fun matching scripture with certain “steps” and “traditions.” Whatever will help you build recovery!! Thank you for being so real and honest and I’m happy you found this website. It’s helped untangle a lot of mental knots for me personally, which translates into greater peace of mind and less cravings.

          • Cory Dean Majore

            Yes I am also involved with the 12 step recovery world. I’ve found it a good supplement for my sobriety in small doses but I’ve had to be careful in some respects too I find them great for encouraging one another to stay sober but other process addictions like smoking gambling and sex are sometimes joked about and almost promoted by people who don’t have the strongest recovery there. I sometimes wonder if the whole “disease model” and admitting to being an addict whether that term is almost too permissive of acting out in different way’s. I have been tempted to go and say hi my name is Cory and I am a sinner. Its what It all comes down to I believe even if it is a disease its rooted in sin…this would offend some people if I were to say this so I have not another thing that has offended people is that I will not accept any clean tags or coins for any amount of time until I feel Clean according to my Higher Powers Standards and cause I once had a recovery like that where I had no lapses with any process addiction and did not even drink coffee I believe for 3 months seems a little hardcore but I saw it necessary I tie my recovery with meditation on the scriptures between the many mentions in the Bible of the struggle between Spirit & Flesh. Sin is what I focus on in recovery with the 12 steps but I find it hard to come to explain it in such a way that expresses my experience strength and hope yet is beneficial for those at the table also I would Love to find a sponser who believed what I believe I always wondered if there were JW’s like elders that were sponsers there…Id love to find one my sponser would listen to my struggle with the varying manifestations of my addiction and offer much support in the way of staying sober but little support in the regards of my staying clean by Jehovah’s standards……Thank you I think I will attend more 12 step groups but just cautiously and carefully and like you said simultaneously with the meetings at the Kingdom hall. Thank You 🙂

        • Burt Reynolds

          Welcome Cory. Drink life’s waters free here.

          • Beverly kenyon

            I’m sending out an SOS for you Burt as you seem to be MIA and I’m missing seeing your familiar avatar here on EWatchman not to mention your insightful comments full of wisdom and of course your razor sharp wit! Hope you’re in good health and Family is good! Needed that insightful wisdom of yours last night as cat3rn was attempting to ‘eviscerate’ me with his intellect and as you know I’m not the cleverest person on this site…I’m just an ordinary Manchester amhaaret! Can’t wait to see you back, firmly established here on EWatchman…one of my favourite Wordsmiths!

            • Cocheta

              he is only MIA from here for a while, Beverly. I chatted with him on FB only yesterday & he has his reasons, as do I for being MIA too. He has been visiting with family too I believe. Hugs xxx

            • Beverly kenyon

              That’s great to hear that Cocheta. Yeah, I noticed you were also MIA but sometimes you do that but not for long so I was expecting you to pop up. Good to hear you’re both alright. Thought me and Peter…the scouser, were the last Brits standing! Lol. Southern ShaSha is back as well. Told her that would make you happy as I know you both get on…she’s such a lovely lady. Hugs back to you Cocheta. Xx

      • Arvid Fløysand

        Joseph where is the beautiful picture of feast-table…the banquet you now..please bring it in 🙂

        • Joseph Stephan

          Oh yeah , sorry it was 4 am in the morning and I did not have my Earl Gray tea yet. Besides I was having the table cloth laundered, trying to get out those pesky stains Free at Last left . I was hoping to get some help setting up the banquet tables but OQ & Whiteroom were just hanging out in the corner observing quietly ?❤(just being funny)

          • Beverly kenyon

            That is funny Joseph! Laughing at that here on post New Year in ‘Madchester’ after the carnage of their Pagan Festival!! Lol. We had two ‘Blackeye Fridays’ and then last night! It was horrific! Booze and Mancs are not a good mix!!

            • Joseph Stephan

              Humans are a strange breed, I never understood the whole new years eve thing. I think I’ve witnessed two in my life!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Well you’ve not missed much Joseph apart from a huge hangover and maybe a black eye. I think the whole new year thing has its roots in when the Romans had their end of year revelries and drinking bouts worshipping Bacchus the God of wine….so no change there! Partying as the ship is going down! Another year closer to the end of this rotten system!

        • Joseph Stephan
          • Arvid Fløysand

            what a beautiful picture…im not sure how to insert it,but i will give it a try :-)…thank you my dear brother Joseph

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya Arvid, I couldn’t post on the article you posted originally about the woman and the buckets hence why I’m posting to you on this article but I just wanted to say me and my friend who also read read it while we were at work last night thought it was so beautiful and poignant. We got the message of it and my friend was really impressed at you getting it across in English as I told him you are Norweigian. That was brilliant! Loved it! You’re quickly turning into one of my favourite Brothers..and I normally don’t like favourites as I don’t like leaving anyone out! Lol.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Thank you Beverly for nice reply…i feel the same way,about not leaving anyone out…but its on the other hand normal to have some favourites..even Jesus had (Johannes,Peter) and Jehova Himself had a lot of them like Abel,Enoch,Noah,Abraham and so on…so i humbly take it as a compliment …and then i feel free to say that you are also one of mine favourites…there are in fact a bunch of them here on this site…i hope that all of us can make it and by Jehovas mercy come together on the other side and sing and holler of pure joy and insane happiness …just like the Israelites when Jehova by Jesus brought them safely tru the red sea…have your tamburine ore whatever instrument you like,ready….soon very soon…

            • Beverly kenyon

              Wow, Arvid, you have such great knowledge of the Bible! You and many others on this site. Im in awe!! Jehovah DID have his favourites…you are so right! I really do hope all of us come together on the other side with insane happiness..(I love that term), by Jehovah’s mercy. I haven’t got an instrument but I’d like it to be those massive drums! I think I’d be playing them like Animal off the Muppets! Lol. I do hope it’s gonna be soon Arvid.

    • Arvid Fløysand

      Welcome Cory…what a beautiful day this is…i have just read everything you have written on this site so far..it felt like sitting in a sofa next to you and listen to what you have been tru ..so good to have you here..best regards from your brother Arvid in Norway

    • Joseph Stephan

      Buurrr, come in out of the cold, we put a few extra logs on the fire for you. ???https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/345be6a51acbbb462133404e80608ee3b6f2c496bf7e0624c75b61261afe67ed.jpg
      So pull up a chair and enjoy the fellowship here at Jehovah’s virtual congregation of loving souls. Jehovah is training up a small army of truth seekers, and peeling the scales from our eyes and making the Bible pop with magnificent color and insight ! Here we saved you a spot between our Handsome Norwegian Arvid Fløysand and our Beautiful Texan sister Rynda! ❤

      • Cory Dean Majore

        Thank you for all your Loving welcomes <3 There is still Love among brothers. 🙂

  • Cocheta

    I do wish more of you would use the Forum here

    • ewatchman

      The forum is not very user friendly, I am sorry to say. We tried to set up a replacement a few weeks ago, but it turned out to be buggy. However, I have another option I am looking at that might be better and more user friendly.

      • #savekevin

        Robert, I don’t know what you used for the forum, bc ive never been able to see it lol, but I’ve used mybb with great success

  • Kevin Flynn
    20 hrs ·

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9kaBnC8uMQ

    Mark 11:24 This is why I tell you, all the things you pray and ask for, have faith that you have received them, and you will have them.
    James 1:5
    So if any one of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching, and it will be given him.
    1 John 5:14
    And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that no matter what we ask according to his will, he hears us.
    Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you;
    for everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking, it will be opened.
    Indeed, which one of you, if his son asks for bread, will hand him a stone?
    Or if he asks for a fish, he will not hand him a serpent, will he?
    Therefore, if you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will your Father who is in the heavens give good things to those asking him! Matthew 7:7-11.

    • 1914for100Alex

      If there’s anyone out there reading these scriptures that Leonard posted, and they’re either questioning or doubting whether they’re true or not….don’t. Every word of it is true. I’ve experienced it myself, and continue to experience it. It may take some time, and a lot of prayer, but believe me, Jehovah is listening. Don’t give up, and you’ll be absolutely amazed by what happens.

  • Victor Field

    Does anyone know how long the “Hour of Trial” is
    Kind Regards

    Rev 3:10,.,Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      The Hour of Judgment – Has It Arrived?
      Excerpt:
      According to the 14th chapter of Revelation the hour of the judgment occurs after the beast is slain and miraculously revives —crawling out of the symbolic abyss of death. The resurrection of the beast commences the judgment of the world of mankind. Those who follow the beast with admiration and who receive its symbolic triple-six marking are judged worthy of everlasting death —their names not being written down in the book of life. That is why Revelation 14:9-12 states: “Another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he will also drink of the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and day and night they have no rest, those who worship the wild beast and its image and whoever receives the mark of its name. Here is where it calls for endurance on the part of the holy ones, those who keep the commandments of God and hold fast to the faith of Jesus.””
      Read more>https://e-watchman.com/hour-judgment-arrived/

      The Hour of Test Coming Upon the World.
      Excerpt:
      At Revelation 3:10 Jesus spoke of another time period – “the hour of test,” saying: “Because you kept the word about my endurance, I will also keep you from the hour of test, which is to come upon the whole inhabited earth, to put a test upon those dwelling on the earth. I am coming quickly. Keep on holding fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. Read more>
      https://e-watchman.com/hour-of-test-coming-upon-the-world/
      Read a lot more>
      https://e-watchman.com/?s=hour+of+trial

      • Victor Field

        Thank you for the reply,,very good,,

        But what is it’s duration/How long does it last?
        Would I be right in saying 42 months?
        Rev 13:5,,The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.b

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Yes that’s when the beast revives from his sword-stroke and rules for a symbolic hour of darkness.
          Who will survive Armageddon, and will it be a nuclear war?
          Excerpt:
          However, that long-standing animosity will come to a full boil when Christ receives his kingdom in heaven. According to Revelation the 12th chapter that event will cause war to erupt in heaven and Michael the Archangel and his army of angels, who is Jesus Christ, will battle with Satan and his angels. We are assured that Christ will be victorious and the Devil and his demons will be ousted from heaven forever. But that’s not the end of it. The same 12th chapter of Revelation reveals that Satan will come down to the earth having great anger knowing that he has a short period of time.

          That short period of time is revealed in Scripture to be the conclusion of the system of things, also variously known as the final part of the days, and the time of the end. And the truth is: God’s prophetic word reveals that Satan’s short period of time is equivalent to 1260 days, 42 months and a time, times, and half a time.

          Jehovah’s Witnesses, of course, believe that the conclusion of the system began in 1914 with the beginning of World War I. And the Watchtower has explained away the prophetic period of 1260 days into irrelevancy and meaninglessness.

          Read more> https://e-watchman.com/who-will-survive-armageddon/

          • Victor Field

            Ok,thanks again,,.
            Would you say this is the Great Tribulation then as well as the Trial?

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