The Coming of Christ or the Fall of Babylon the Great?

//The Coming of Christ or the Fall of Babylon the Great?

Commentary on daily text of Jehovah’s Witnesses

Wednesday, July 13

After a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled accounts with them.Matt. 25:19.

Jesus will come to settle accounts with his slaves toward the end of the great tribulation just ahead. What leads us to this conclusion? In his prophecy recorded in Matthew chapters 24 and 25,  Jesus repeatedly mentioned his coming. Referring to the judgment during the great tribulation, he said that people “will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven.” He urged his followers living in the last days to be vigilant, saying: “You do not know on what day your Lord is coming” and “the Son of man is coming at an hour that you do not think to be it.”  Hence, when Jesus said that “the master of those slaves came and settled accounts,” he was evidently referring to the time when he will come to execute judgment at the end of this system.


The Watchtower states that the great tribulation is just ahead. And as Jehovah’s Witnesses are told ad nauseam, the great tribulation will begin when the United Nations launches an attack on Babylon the Great —the system of false religion. That means that the UN must be preparing to carry out a global war directed against all religion. Otherwise, why ought we assume that the great tribulation is “just ahead”?

Jehovah’s Witnesses have no recourse but to gratefully accept whatever the “slave” feeds them without questioning or complaint, but if you are one of Jehovah’s Witnesses how would you explain it to a householder if they asked you for some sort of evidence, any indication that the United Nations is inclined to carry out such an attack any time in the future? Could you find such information in a Watchtower or AWAKE?

In the entire decade from 1992-2002 when the Watchtower was an associate level NGO with the UN’s Department of Public Information and had access to the Dag Hammarskjöld Library, did the Society unearth anything that might indicate the UN has a policy or is formulating a policy to liquidate religion? Really, quite the contrary. The Watchtower and AWAKE! frequently praised the UN for standing up for human rights —the freedom to practice one’s religion being a basic human right. And since dissolving their secret partnership back in 2002 they have not published anything quoting UN officials or other leaders calling for religion to be abolished.

This is the Information Age, is it not? The UN has numerous websites for their plethora of agencies and supportive NGOs. Is there anything out there, anything, anywhere, that indicates the UN is inclining to move against religion? I have tried to keep a pretty close watch on such things over the past quarter of a century and I have not seen any indication. And you may be certain that if there was anything Jehovah’s Witnesses would be all abuzz about it. But they are not. And their silence is telling.

Just to be clear, I am not disputing the Watchtower’s interpretation of the 17th and 18th chapters of Revelation regarding the eighth king devouring the woman who is called Babylon the Great. I am disputing the timing —that it is the next big thing on the prophetic schedule.

The irony is, virtually everything the Watchtower teaches that is based on prophecy is wrong —except their teaching that the end of false religion is in the future. Allow me to explain.

Because the Watchtower is committed to 1914 and virtually all prophecy has been tied to it in one way or another there is no prophetic basis for Jehovah’s Witnesses to realistically expect the United Nations to suddenly set out on an international, anti-religious pogrom. That is why there is nothing that can be presented to any sincere householder who might ask for some kind of evidence to back up what the Watchtower claims.

What the Governing Body refuses to accept, is that the coming of Christ is itself a future event —including the beginning of the time of the end and the parousia. True, the day’s text and the WT article it is based upon place the coming of Christ during the tribulation. But the WT asserts that his coming on the clouds to judge the nations is the same as his calling his slaves to account. This is a blatant contradiction of the fact that Christ first comes to judge his slaves.

On the one hand Bethel claims that the messenger of the covenant came to judge the house of God back in 1919. In this text though they claim that Christ is “evidently” coming in the future to settle accounts with the house servants. Which is it?

Besides, the seven times chronology has no legitimate connection to the appointed times of the nations to trample Jerusalem, about which Jesus spoke. And other than the chronology the Watchtower’s attachment to 1914 is based on the assumption that all the things Christ foretold cannot occur in the future. Jehovah’s Witnesses have been assured that the composite sign of Christ’s supposed invisible presence is as unique as a human fingerprint and cannot be duplicated.

While it is true the events making up the sign of the conclusion will be unique, their error is due to the fact that even according to their own writings all the events that make up the composite sign of Christ still have not all occurred —this after a century and counting! It would certainly behoove Jehovah’s Witnesses to take a closer look at 1914.

What the Watchtower is explicitly on record as saying is that there cannot be another world war. It is also implied that there cannot be widespread food shortages, pandemics and earthquakes. All of that is in the past. But is that reasonable? Is it even sane?

While Jehovah’s Witnesses may not be able to find any indication that the nations are scheming to destroy all organized religion, is there any basis for believing another world war is on the horizon? Of course there is.

As an anecdote, some months back an exJW with a popular blog commented on a Tweet of mine asking why I focused on world war. Apparently he was irritated that I was pointing to a future day of reckoning. He, like the Watchtower, is simply in denial. It is an infant’s reasoning: Don’t believe it and maybe it will go away.

The fact is, though, many, many people are aware of the developing series of crises that is drawing the Anglo-American Empire into conflict with Russia and China —a conflict that would most surely go nuclear. It seems most people are aware, at least to some degree, that there is trouble brewing  —most people, except Jehovah’s Witnesses. That’s because the leadership has not said a word about it. They see no significance in world events. They are oblivious, which is on full display in today’s text claiming the fall of Babylon the Great is just ahead.

What is just ahead is global war, financial collapse, food shortages —all the things Jesus foretold —including men become faint with fright due to the horrific things coming upon the world. The present ruling Anglo-American duo will fall with a great crash —something the Watchtower implies took place during the First World War. From the ashes of that collapse will arise the two-horned beast that will then begin speaking as a dragon —commanding that an image of the seven-headed beast be made and worshipped —something that the Watchtower claims took place in 1922 with the creation of the League of Nations. Thus, will arise the eighth king for his foretold one-hour reign. And seated on the beast will be the prostitute called Babylon the Great.

Pope Francis addresses UN assemblyAlready a move is afoot to merge religions into a united religions organization to mirror the United Nations. In 2014 the former president of Israel, Shimon Peres, met with Pope Francis to propose this very thing. Since then the Pope has made comments to the effect that all religions are the same. This may be the groundwork for some sort of one-world religion to emerge in the post-crash world.

That would explain why Babylon is pictured as a great city —a single organization. 

But at that time the eighth king – likely in the form of the UN since it already has the bureaucratic infrastructure in place to govern the world – will have acquired control over the vast military capabilities of the fallen American kingdom and that of other nations as well. There is also an intention on the part of the financier oligarchy to sink the Dollar and Euro and replace them with a global currency administered by the United Nations and the IMF —not sovereign nations. That will spell the end of the nation-state system. The United Nations will become the capital of a communistic world government. Then, and only then, will the beast have the teeth to devour the harlot.

That the eighth king will possess incontestable power is evident from the fact that the kings and merchants of the earth are said to stand at a distance for fear of her torment.

In a nutshell there are earthshaking events that must take place prior to the judgment of Babylon the Great —unforeseen events, which will completely discredit the Watchtower and shake the faith of Jehovah’s Witnesses to their core.

2017-04-08T15:49:06+00:00 July 13th, 2016|Commentary|163 Comments
  • Shelley.

    The sisters I study with absolutely ignore my comments on world war 3. Jehovah will not allow it they say. The only sign left to be fulfilled is the destruction of false religion.When the nations turn on JWs Jehovah will react instantaneously and save his people,nothing to worry about.I feel soo sorry for them.Satan and a third of the angles (billions of demons)have not been hurled down to earth yet, knowing they have a very short amount of time left.I am absolutely terrified of what is to come.The scariest most gory horror movie will look like a joke compared to what humans possessed by these demons will do to their fellow man.People will drop dead from fear.

    • Sam

      got to hand it to them, they are good parrots. That’s exactly what they are taught to respond with. Have you tried reasoning with the verse in which Jesus mentioned no flesh being saved without Jehovah’s intervention? Point out that Jesus fortold the very thing you are suggesting. Probably wont get far, they have to “adjust” your thinking, but it may get then thinking. And I wish you best in your studies! Glad to have you here

      • Shelley.

        I have mentioned that in Revelation Jehovah allows a quarter of the earths population to perish and the the first two world wars didn’t even come close to that figure.I am told questioning the GB is the same as questioning Jehovah because all understanding is given to the GB directly from Jehovah.

        • Sam

          Thats a good point you made! Their response is typical. You could always show the verse where we are told even to question “inspired utterances” and the GB certainly aren’t inspired. I forget the actual verse. If understanding came from Jehovah, then why so many changes? Is not Jehovah a God of order?

          • its simple. “no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” that means it is Jehovah who explains it.

            if they keep changing something over and over then they did not get it from Jehovah to begin with as if Jehovah didnt get what he himself meant the first time

            • Sam

              spot on. The funniest thing is they will use the verse about the light getting brighter even though that has absolutely nothing to do with interpreting scripture. Its a comparison between those who walk by the truth and those who walk in moral darkness. Sigh, what a game

            • yeah, i was thinking of that brighter and brighter thing too when i typed that. “angel of light” ya know

        • kevinb 1914

          The first verse below shows that authority is given over 1/4th of the earth to kill by sword, famine, disease, and the wild animals of the earth, not that 1/4th of the people will perish. The 1/4th of the earth is where WW3 will be. Based on Daniel 8, as well as the plans of the Synagogue of Satan, I believe it will be in Europe, Russia and the middle east.

          The second verse shows that there are 200 million angels in God’s army. That means that there are approximately 100 million wicked spirits, most of which went back to their dwelling places in heaven after the flood. 200M + 100M = 300M. We know that the Dragon is shown to drag 1/3 of the angels down to earth. (Rev 12:4)

          That is a huge number, but it is not ‘billions of spirits’. Demons are fallen angels that interact with humans, influencing and even possessing them. But Satan has other, more powerful spirits that joined him. Daniel 10:20 mentions the ‘Prince of Persia’ and the ‘Prince of Greece’ who are way more powerful than ‘demons’.

          According to a couple of people, one who used to work as a researcher for the Council of 13, there are 330,000 to 335,000 wicked spirits interacting with humans on the earth. When the great war in heaven takes place, the other 965,000 million spirits will be thrown down to the earth, so it will be absolute bedlam here on the planet. We will need to be in YAH’s spiritual ‘Mt Zion’ (Isaiah 2:1-4), a spiritual ‘city of refuge’ (Num 35:12), the ‘secret place of the most High’ (Psalm 91), in ‘the place prepared in the wilderness’. (Rev 12:6)

          The final verse is what Sam was referring to. The Governing Bozos do not have God’s spirit. They do not even know the true names of the Father and His Son! You can look up their true names on my profile page at

          Common English Bible (CEB)

          Rev 6:8
          8 So I looked, and there was a pale green horse. Its rider’s name was Death, and the Grave was following right behind. They were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill by sword, famine, disease, and the wild animals of the earth.

          Rev 9:15
          15 Then the four angels who had been made ready for that hour, day, month, and year were released to kill a third of humankind. 16 The number of cavalry troops was two hundred million. I heard their number.

          1 John 4:1 Contemporary English Version (CEV)

          Dear friends, don’t believe everyone who claims to have the Spirit of God. Test them all to find out if they really do come from God. Many false prophets have already gone out into the world

          • the scripture is not implying that Satan’s tail is dragging demons to earth. that is incorrect. they dont need to be dragged down by Satan. they are demons because they willingly rejected Jehovah. they are cast out by Jehovah’s only begotten son Michael.

            • Witness for the Almighty YAH

              1. The ‘vision’ in Revelation 12 is showing that Satan’s tail is dragging a third of the stars/spirits

              to earth. It is only a ‘vision’ before the actual ‘great war’ takes place, which is literal.

              2. There is a difference in the ‘vision’… and what actually will take place. My take on it is that everyone on earth will see the vision in the sky right before the actual great war, which we will not be able to see because it will happen in the spirit realm in the second heaven. (2 Cor 12:2)

              3. My question to myself was, why does the ‘vision’ contradict what will actually take place? I believe it is to fool the wicked luciferians on earth into believing that their god Satan is the one who drags the spirits to earth, not that they are kicked out of heaven by the Son of God.

              4. The satanists/luciferians have great respect for fellow luciferians that
              get access to powerful spirits. The more powerful the spirit is, the
              more respect they get, but the wicked luciferians already know that most of the spirits in heaven cannot be conjured to help them here on earth unless they find a ‘grimoire’ that can show them a ritual or incantation that will bring them down to the physical realm to help them on earth.

              5. To fool his followers on earth, the Devil had a Luciferian change a word in the scripture at Jude 9 to make it seem that even the archangel Micheal is afraid of him, so that losing the ‘great war’ is a fallacy and not how the Satan and the wicked spirits will come down to earth:

              Jude 9 King James 2000 Bible

              Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil as he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke you.

              6. The scripture is more accurately translated as it is in these versions:

              Jude 8-10 The Voice (VOICE)

              These stories are examples to help you understand the fate of those dreamers who have slipped in and defiled your community, rejected those in charge, and insulted the glorious majesty of the heavenly messengers.

              Even their chief, Michael, when disputing with the devil over Moses’ body, did not offer his own taunting judgment against him. Michael simply said, “May the Lord’s rebuke fall on you.”

              The deceivers among you despise what they do not understand; they live without reason like animals, reacting only with primal instincts; and their ways are corrupting them.

              Jude 8-10 New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

              Similarly, these dreamers nevertheless also defile the flesh, scorn lordship, and revile glorious beings.

              Yet the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil in a dispute over the body of Moses, did not venture to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him but said, “May the Lord rebuke you!”

              But these people revile what they do not understand and are destroyed by what they know by nature like irrational animals.

              7. Satan has fooled his followers into believing that he is stronger than everyone in heaven except the Creator, but he claims that he has a deal with the Creator’s ‘Grand Council’ (Psalm 89:7) which are the 24 ancient ones (Rev 4:10, 19:4) so that he apparently cannot be destroyed.

              8. When the Great Tribulation is ‘cut short’, which based on my calculation of subtracting the 42 months (1278 solar days) that the ‘Dragon give his authority’ to the NWO ‘beast’ (Rev 13:5) from the ‘1290 days’ (Dan 12:11) will leave 12 days before Armageddon. On that day, ‘the sun will turn black, the moon will turn blood red, and the stars will fall from the heaven’. (Rev 6:12-17) The result will be complete darkness that will envelope the earth.

              9. The 12 days will give the approximately 146,666 people still living on the earth (Rev 14:17-20) not including those in the NWO army (Dan 11:45) to go into underground bases/bunkers/cities ‘to hide from the face of the Lamb’ before the ‘Great Day of God Almighty’.

              10. Lucifer has lied to his wicked minions on earth that he will return to bring ‘peace and security’ to the earth after all on earth are worshiping the beast and its image. Lucifer claims he will be the one to light up the darkened sky when he returns, not the Son of God, who is supposedly ‘afraid’ of him, and therefore cannot defeat him. The Beatles wrote about this in the lyrics to the song ‘Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds’, but we know the real truth of 1 Thess 5:3.

            • youre imagenation has gone wild.

    • Shelley.

      I have mentioned in Revelation Jehovah allows a quarter of the earths population to be destroyed and how the 1 st and 2 nd world wars didn’t even come close,but this doesn’t even get a rise out of them.They say that Jehovah guides the GB and they know everything so if they say there is not to be a Third World War then Jehovah has spoken.I shouldn’t question Jehovah.

      • 1914for100Alex

        Stay strong, and maybe bite your tongue if you have to. At the appropriate time the student (you) may very well become the teacher.

        • Joel Sherrod

          Here here!

      • ewatchman

        Your experience can be repeated thousands of times. Back in the late 90’s I called Bethel and talked to a Governing Body brother and tried to get him to reason on the prophecy of Joel. He shut me down and said God would let them know anything they need to know directly and not from some publisher nobody knows. They are not teachable.

        So, that really is the prevailing mentality. There is nothing that can change it, except as Jehovah said in Isaiah, “only terror will make them understand.” It’s a shame it has to come down to that, but as we few can see, there is no other way.

        • kevinb 1914

          I posted a couple of comments today but DISQUS marked it a ‘spam’ so it was not posted. Do you know why?

          • Joel Sherrod

            The same thing happened to me this morning. Go to, see what happens. Good luck!

          • ewatchman

            I am not sure why that happened. Did you post a hyperlink in it? If so that may have been a trigger to get it flagged. There is so much spam, all of which has hyperlinks

    • sienna

      Hi Shelley, I resonate with you I am studying and have brought up the same questions only to be told the very same answers its a waste of energy and time to argue with them the sisters I study with are lovely but have been woefully deceived, a lot of them have been brought up in the truth since they were born so its not their fault we must try and keep that in mind, we maybe help them if they are genuinely righteous in the future, and if they are truly they will listen. For me I just keep studying and learning about Jehovah and Jesus from Robert and the lovely brothers and sisters here also remember be as devious as serpent and innocent as a dove when you are talking to your sisters who are teaching it will only cause delays for you in getting baptised. Enjoy your study and don’t be over anxious everything will happen in Jehovah’s time not our time x sorry my phone won’t let me do Smiley’s

      • Burt Reynolds

        It is lovely to see your concerns for the brothers and sisters. Maybe I am too old, but all I can say about your fears is that Jehovah will act to protect his people, and those he allows to rest in expectation, well you have your faith to sustain you and life to look forward to. Personally, I try not to put too much store on my life, for two reasons, the primary one being that I do not want to live in this world with ‘worldly’ people who have no love for Jehovah, and secondly, I would rather die than not see my god Jehovah. If we have to die there is nothing we can do to stop it, so try not to fear, for Jehovah will strengthen you for either eventuality. For the time being, rejoice in the hope you have and have faith that Jehovah will have a place for you. May Jehovah bless you.

        • same here. may Jehovah bless you too Burt

      • Shelley.

        Thanks for the words of encouragement.I almost turned my back on the truth after discovering all the hypocrisy of the org but I stumbled across Brother Kings videos on you tube and now I can’t seem to get enough.I have read everything I can get my hands on from Brother King as well as the Org.The spiritual food they provide is truth except for prophetic interpretation .I have been thinking about baptism but did not want to dedicate myself to an organization.I have no idea why the baptismal questions were changed in 1985 eliminating the father ,son and Holy Spirit but it didn’t sit well with me.Would Jehovah even recognize my baptism?This has been weighing heavily on my mind and then last nite I Listened to Brother Kings podcast #64 I realized that Jehovah knows that in my heart I would be getting baptized to dedicate my life to him and not an organization.Now I know that this is something that I am going to strive for.I truly believe that Brother King is an anointed brother.When I was ready to give up I cried and prayed to Jehovah to lead me to the truth so that I could align my life to Jehovahs standards so that I could be with my son again ,I found Brother King.I truly believe Jehovah guided me and when times arise that I feel unworthy I remind myself of that.It is very comforting to think when the time of the final judgement arrives that a loving and self sacrificing brother such as Brother King will be part of that.

        • Joel Sherrod

          Yes. I believe that just like you, I too was led to the work of Brother King.

          A small word of encouragement Shelly:

          Remember, your dedication is NOT to a fallible man-made Organization—no matter Jehovah’s use of it as an instrument to lead honest-hearted people to the truth. Your heartfelt dedication is to Jehovah God ONLY, through His Son Jesus, who himself said:

          “It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to Him ALONE you must render sacred service.” –Matt. 4:10.

          The key word in that quote is “alone.’ Yes, it is to Jehovah ALONE that you are dedicated. No earthly Organization—no matter the good they do—is to usurp the Holy place of exclusive devotion to your God. —See also Ex. 34;14; Deut. 23:21.

          So yes Shelly, go ahead and thank Jehovah for leading you to Brother King, the E-Watchman. And make that inward dedication and thankfulness publically known by water baptism!

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Please take note that Jesus did not let a technicality stop him self from getting baptized.

          Matthew 3:
          13 Then Jesus came from Galʹi·lee to the Jordan to John, in order to be baptized by him.
          14 But then latter tried to prevent him, saying: “I am the one who needs to be baptized by you, and are you coming to me?”
          15 Jesus replied to him: “Let it be this time, for in that way it is suitable for us to carry out all that is righteous.” Then he quit preventing him.

          Now If Jesus did not allow a technicality to prevent his baptism how much more should we follow his example.

          Also listen to Podcast #9This program addresses the concerns of an individual who is studying with Jehovah’s Witnesses trying to come to terms with the dilemma of being baptized but not accepting the 1914 doctrine. Also, a consideration of old Mailbag questions from 2004. Click here for Mailbag archive

  • LW

    You know something…those certain Christian denominations may be way off with alot of religious doctrines, but they were right about one thing…Satan’s final deception. When I first read of this program outlined at a Christian site, I couldn’t believe it…yes, some of what was on there I clearly recognized as being false, but still. Reading through I cringed…inwardly and even my mouth opened too. People have absolutely NO idea what’s coming…except a few

    • Joyce Haze

      LW, are you referring to this site?

      • LW

        Hi Joyce, actually no I was not. This was a different one that I came across in 2013 before discovering this site in January of this year.

        • Joyce Haze

          Oh, okay. This site gave me a little shock and awe. So many things I personally was not aware of. Stuff happening within the organization, I to clung to most of the information being fed from the platform, dove into every publication I could get a hold of, but felt a lot of confusion, so many teachings that did not hold up to the least scrutiny. Thankfully never doubting Jehovah or his word, never giving up on the search. I could never quite put together the firm belief of being so insulated from the serious calamities discussed in the scriptures! Most of the historical scriptures of past times did involve his people to the fullest degree!

          • LW

            Yeah I completely understand Joyce. Going back to my previous comment for a moment, while most of the teachings and ideas that the site was advocating were incorrect, the point was that it finally got the wheels in my head turning. The headline of the articles was “Understanding Satan’s Plan to Counterfeit the Second Coming of Christ” . And that’s when it hit me like a freight train.

            • Joyce Haze

              Thanks for your reply, if we continue to dig for truth, hopefully we’ll end up right where Jehovah wishes us to be. I do love this sight in that what we learn day to day is based on Gods word alone. The old adage regardless of where it comes from, to do and believe just because we say so, isn’t good enough!!!

            • Joyce Haze

              Yes, a real eye opener to exactly what is taking place, although we do know in the end “satan” is doomed to complete failure!!! Jehovah comes out the glorious victor, totally bringing to ruin, total destruction of this evil LIAR!!!

            • Joyce Haze

              One last thought, as we look at this worldly, global one world order unfolding as we speak, satans fake, imitation of Gods kingdom, a true last joke on him, that is “satan”

    • its noticeable some people caught in faults Babylon/Christendom are more Christian then JW’s helping the poor and such. but it hits the fan then we’ll see how much help was just for show. times are going to be hard

  • Joel Sherrod

    There are some Commentators in Christendom that have stated in the past that Jehovah’s Witnesses are “fundamentalist” in the truest sense; with one calling them “simplest.” I bring this up because one of the most egregious errors that the Watchtower Society has made, and continues to make, is that they are not perceived as “scholaly” in their approach to Christian theology—especially eschatology.

    They are “simplest” in that they take much of the Bible at its raw face value, with no deeper scholaly discernability. This can be seen in two ways: In the 1960’s and ’70s the Society released a plethora of books on prophetic prophecy, books like “Babylon the Great has Fallen,” “Then is Finished the Mystery Of God,” and “God’s Theocracy Now Triumping Over Mankind’s Rule,” (or something like that). These books, along with later books in the early 90’s like “Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy,” proported to lay out end-time prophecies in a trustworthy scholaly way; and all Witnesses around the world ate them up, while not even understanding them!

    But in truth, much of what was stated in those massive lumbering books was nothing more than imaginative speculation, all tied in and meant to bolster the Society’s all-mighty 1914 doctrine. Unfortunately, much of it (from the mind of Fred Franz) was sheer non-sense. High-sounding in its approach and tone, but lacking in any real theological scholaly aptitude.

    So what’s the connection with my point that the Watchtower Society are ‘fundamental simplest’? Well, read on.

    While the Society is to be commended for having restored and presented BASIC BIBLE TRUTHS to the world, they are solely lacking when it comes to writing scholaly in-deepth commentary; when it comes to engaging in deep theological arguments and thoughts. This can be seen in the fact that since 1985 the Society has produced exactly two (2), yes only two books that can be considered scholaly, “Reasoning From the Scriptures,” and 1988’s two Volume master work, “Insight On The Scriptures.” But that is it! That’s all!

    So what has this vacuum of scholaly hermanutical study resulted in?

    Well, because of their stubborn arrogance to engage in scholaly Biblical exegesis—privately or publically (in answer to their critics)—they continue to excel in and do a exemplary job at explaining fundamental “basic” Bible TRUTHS like God’s relation to His Son (the Trinity), immortality of the soul, hellfire, and practical Christian living. But when it comes to answering their theological critics, those in the religious community that ask, even demand, that they buttress their eshcotological views with well thought out reasoning; explaining their end-time beliefs with a degree of scholaly aptitude.

    If an Organization claims to be “God’s Channel” of communication to a sinful world, then their theological reasonings should back up that claim; then present those reasonings in a scholaly way that garners healthy theological debate, not relegation to a “cult” view only.

  • Burt Reynolds

    Hello Joel, Does the bible need to be scholarly defined and argued? Maybe I am being pedantic and I apologise if I am, but If it does, then I fear most of us are sunk. What need is there to argue in debate for example, the trinity when we simply need to read for example what John 1:1 says? The bible is easily read, but were it not for the Holy Spirit, the prophesy would not be revealed. Christendom looks for argument; they strain at the gnat and swallow the camel and like the pharrasees try to trip and trick for it is not the word of God that they are interested in, but their own glory. Jehovah reveals in his due time, the meaning of his prophesy and in my opinion, that revelation of spirit is not open to many to define, but upon such definition, it is then shown plainly in sight for those who can see. It is a trick of Satan to mystify and embellish by doing so, the word of Jehovah, to leave such open to debate what is merely simple fact that requires faith, for that is the point of the bible, that, having explained openly and in due season, the word of Jehovah through his anointed, there remains a yawning cleft that requires the bridge of faith and appreciation to be built over it. In terms of scholarly debate, if one can actually debate what is true with any meaning, it is not in my mind, a statement of two plus two equals four, but a question of faith plainly written, ergo, what is the sum of two plus two? Ergo again, having been left to answer that question for ourselves, we have to beliefve in what we have learnt.

    • Joel Sherrod

      Hey Burt. My point was not that the Society NEEDS to engage in more scholaly debate with Commentators of Christendom; no, what I meant was because they do not publish any academic books on deep theological subjects, their members are left to believe—in misguided awe—at anything the Organization says on even deep subjects like end-time eschatology.

      If the Watchtower Society was ever to publish a good erudite book on such topics as eschatology and/or Christology, that would go a long way in helping the average JW to be and to do just as the apostle Paul admonished young Timothy at 2 Timothy 2:15:

      “Do your utmost to present yourself to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling (or ‘dividing’) the word of truth aright.”

  • Beverly kenyon

    So if you’re in their gang Jehovah will not be revealing bible truths to no one else because they have complete monopoly on a jehovahs spirit …no wonder Jehovah refers to them as haughty boasters. Not that it matters that Brother King is an anointed one of Jehovah’s new government and will be sometime in the future judging angels no less and will be an immortal!!! It’s a shame the only language they will be understanding shortly is Terror. God’s word also talks about in Jeremiah 5:31 that the prophets themselves actually prophesy in falsehood and his people have loved it that way also in Isa48:8 it talks about dealing treacherously and was a transgressor from the belly….so right from their inception.

  • Joel Sherrod

    Hello Brother King.

    Another great commentary. One question, though.

    While it is true that there seems to be “no evidence” that the UN or a conglomerate of Nations are all going to turn on world religion as an organized unit. But does not Revelation 17:16, 17a state this:

    “And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute (false religion) and will make her devastated and naked . . . and they will completely burn her with fire.”

    And here is the main part . . .

    “For God (will) put it into their hearts to carry out His thought.”

    Brother King, isn’t that why there is CURRENTLY NO EVIDENCE that the UN is going to turn on religion, because Jehovah HAS NOT put it in their hearts yet? Please help me to understand this point further. I humbly acquiesce my present view to your prophetic knowledge.

    • ewatchman

      Hi Joel.

      Yeah, that is how Jehovah’s Witnesses understand it. However, verse 13 states that the kings all have one thought, and so they give their kingdom to the wild beast. What is their one thought? The verse you partially quoted reiterates that the kings already have one thought. It says: “For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.” Their “one thought” is world government – giving their kingdoms to the beast. That is pretty remarkable in itself. What kings or governments have ever all agreed to give up their power and authority, turning it over to someone else?

      But has this occurred yet? Have the nations ceded their authority to a supranational government? No. Obviously not. The UN is pretty powerless. So, the reason God has not put it into their hearts yet is because the kings have not developed their one thought to give their kingdom to the beast. That is a fairly big deal. Wouldn’t you agree?

      • Joel Sherrod

        Yes, I do agree.

        Got it! Wow! That all makes sense . . . but more importantly, it sits well with my soul. I believe your reasonings because your explanations agree deep inside my spirit. Again, wow! I really get it! Thank you Brother King.

        • i like how Robert also mentioned in an essay correlating their “one thought” with Babylonin Noah’s day, with the tower an all. this time Jehovah’s gping to let them have their NWO, for just a short time

          • LW

            I always knew it…in fact, in an older bible video, they mention the goal of the NWO for the UN. Then the question is asked, “Can mankind really bring about this new world order? What does history teach us?”

            Then there was footage from previous wars, terrorist attacks and etc. It’s almost like their answer is “of course not” and we know ultimately their plan will be brought to nothing..but that does not mean, that we will not see anything of else would we be subjected to the ultimate test?

            So, definitely agree with you.

      • ELiJAHxSEVEN

        I just read today about the expansion of military forces used by the UN troops….feeding the beast?

  • Joyce Haze

    I suppose each of us have a story to tell, each have our own reason for searching out something of truth! In all my years of exposure to “the truth” could never quite get there, felt maybe if I sit there long enough it will become clear, never did! I became so obsessed with finding one day the meaning of it all. Found this site, Robert kings videos that brought all the confusion to clarity. His video on the trinity, which of course that was all clear to me on just the basic bible truths. But his comment to not be stupid, to open our eyes. Just claiming to believe without understanding truly Jehovah’s purpose is useless and a waste of time. The basic truths are the beginning of our search. But Jehovah and Christ Jesus and all they provide in coming to know, love and serve should be alive, exciting and a constant reassurance! They have lovingly provided all that we need to get through this time, to look beyond the scary stuff to the glorious Kindom just ahead. Who does’nt get chills just realizing the joy, peace and an opportunity to give praise to the provider of all the blessings. I beat my brains out trying desperately to convince even my own family, the life and death situation we are all in. We can’t continue fooling ourselves “I love Jehovah”, and I’ll get on with it soon, soon has about run out, Jehovah’s patience will not be there forever.!!! I try to convince them to look first if you need, the signs in the world, we can see is in turbo gear to explode. Then take a moment to compare Bible prophesy, it’s chilling to say the least! These things are happening right under our noses but we’re not seeing, looking or aware of the magnitude of how this will impact us, very soon. By feeling a “fairy dust” of protection, it’s completely contrary to what we find at Matt 24:21,22, period! Our only protection, not any group of men, not a building, not literature, is Faith in the only true God and His son Christ Jesus, that’s it!!!! John 3:16, Heb 11:6. What is faith? Heb 11:1. We can’t direct this scripture to Christendom Matt 24 verse 9 will become objects of hatred on account of my Name, christendom DOES NOT call on the name of JEHOVAH!!!! I am sorry for venting, you guys are a life boat to the truth, I love so when I can listen to others struggles, we’re all in it together, love does overcome all things!! Thank you Robert King, thank you for the work that we all appreciate more than you’ll know!!! Jehovah does place all those searching to know him, in the right place at the right time, Thank you Jehovah, along with your son Our great teacher of truth!

    • Joel Sherrod

      Very heartfelt and palpable! I agree fully.

      Thank you Jehovah!

    • Burt Reynolds

      Lovely to read.

      • Joel Sherrod

        I have to tell you all, I am simply in awe at this site!

        Yes, the precious truths that Brother King expounds, and the heartfelt comments by all of us, his readers, is truly life changing.

        No other site is like this. All the other sites of ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses or secret current Witnesses (like myself) are all filled with bitter statements, sprewed with apostate resentment and venom! Not here however.

        We all love Jehovah and His Son Jesus. What is more, we appreciate the earthly instrument that Jehovah is using to disseminate life-saving Truth to this ‘sighing and groaning’ world.

        Yes, the Watchtower Society may not be right on all aspects of its doctrinal teachings relating to end-time prophecy. But when it comes to helping sincere honest hearted ones escape Satan’s grip of false religious beliefs, the Society is right on!

        But I especially want to thank our anointed E-Watchman, Brother King. He is truly a god-send to all who search for truth, and truth redefined.

        Thank you Robert. Stay humble, and Jehovah, I believe, has a bigger and more glorious role for you in His great end-time plan.

        • Ed

          Dear bro.Joel ,

          because you used this expression” we appreciate the earthly instrument that Jehovah is using to
          disseminate life-saving Truth to this ‘sighing and groaning’ world.”

          I’m not sure of this anymore.Although I do fully respect those who think this way. I would like to hear some input here from you or maybe from others on this.
          If there is any other article which discuss this topic please provide me the link.
          Why do I think so ?
          Simple reasoning on my side is in terms “de facto ” & “de jure”.
          So I would say that or WT or whatever you want to call it is “de facto ” not anymore God’s chosen org.They lost this status at any point in past when they betrayed Jehovah & Jesus names by “dirty action,affiliation etc.The reason and action are well known to this precious community or readers.
          And we are not talking about some doctrinal mistakes but other much more important things like UN affiliation,terrible policies which do not protect innocent children but perpetrators of this satanic acts ,love of money and status thus being not Org but Borg. or Corp.etc…
          “De jure” it will be legally confirmed in near future when Jesus will come.
          I see similar pattern or para-dime in nation Israel history and action.
          “De jure” they lost the privileged of to be a chosen nation on 33. C.E. “De facto” it was happen much earlier just because of their many previous trespasses or sins.
          If I’m wrong in my reasoning please correct me.
          best wishes to all,

          • Burt Reynolds

            Hello, Ye who dwells in the lions pit. My understanding is that the degree of sin is not the issue, at this time, as it was not for a long time with the Jewish organisation, which had been going on for centuries. At present, the watchtower serves a purpose, I.e., the preaching work. That it’s crimes are evident, is part of the evidence by which they will be judged in due time. You made the assumption that Jehovah abandons the organisation because of its sin and list these sins, but evidence shows that the organisation is not bereft of Jehovah as the preaching work is still supported, though certainly appears to be tailing off in my opinion….see issues on printing, and non participatory preaching, ergo, just standing at a distance from their carts. The organisation also needs to be seen for what it is, Jehovah’s organisation, so that his judgement on it, will be visible to all. If he abandoned it, his people, one might say that it’s destruction was not brought about by Jehovah. The fact that the blow is seen as from Jehovah is therefore critical to his vindication and judgement through prophesy. But of course you are right, Jehovah will abandon his organisation and leave them, but the time is not yet. And yes, their sins too stack up to the heavens. So at present, the organisation still stands as its destruction is prophesied and certainly it is the hope of many on this site to stay within the organisation to help those struggling to come to terms with the issues you raise and also of course, to carry on preaching to the people. There is also the test with regard to all those brothers and sisters who believe the organisation to be Jehovah’s faithful represetitve. The destruction of the organisation will leave them without their leaders and structured manner of life, their focus of faith and of their beliefs. Jehovah will lovingly point the way for them, but their test is, to whom do I belong, the watchtower or Jehovah. How will they identify Jehovah and walk away from the watchtower. It is the test of faith. The watchtower, like a crutch, will be swept away., leaving them only their faith, and it will be a test to us all, both those fed on spiritual beef so to speak, and those fed on the milk of a lying goat. There are loads of helpful articles that Robert has written and I recommend that you read them…sorry, but I dont recall all the titles, but you can’t miss them, they are all good and all point the way. Read them with your bible, not on their own. I hope this helps, others will contribute also, with more detail and scriptural evidence than I can offer at this point. Drink life’s waters free here.

            • Man from the lions pit

              Thank Burt for your replay.Im not new to this web I just change my name yesterday formly Ed because of other Ed here so it will be easier.I don’t think the continuation of preachig work on its own and oly is nessary proof that Jehovah is still backing it as he was.ThereJust to ilustrate my point.Even person who doeas any criminal or illegal activities in secret and on outside he/she lives as nice person his outward behaivours is not ho he realy is inside .Anybody can hide thier real nature before men but not before God.Jugment is always based on known and unknow acts of respective person or org.I sound maybe legalistic but this is what this is about legalism and by the same measure they will be judge.

            • Song of Hannah

              Wow! “Legalism rules and by the same measure they will be judged” – so true a comment! You might be interested in this article about the Pharisees and legalism – pretty insightful stuff!

              (I’ve no idea who runs that site so can’t vouch for everything written there – but whoever it is sure gives one many points to ponder!)

            • Man from the lions pit

              Thank you S of H.
              I did a quick look but later will read it.It’s very interested topic because of the similarities with Jesus times.History repeats itself more over prophesies are being fulfilled so there is no escape zone only awareness and faith on our side and on outside Jehovah’s and Jesus mercy can help us.The tendencies described and analyzed in the link you shared are not troubling only JW but any Christian group or individual which try to live according to Jesus model.True Christianity as way of life is under frontal attack from Devil.And if JW has the biggest number of those who are true Ch. It’s no wonder that the focus is on us.

            • Joel Sherrod

              Excellent points! In total agreement Burt.

          • Song of Hannah

            I was going to answer this but Burt answered it far better than I ever could have… I’ll just add this emphasis to his point, that Jehovah has never abandoned his people, even as he exposes all their sins to everyone, by “exposing their nakedness”. Whenever he “destroyed” them, he always promised to save a remnant of his people, out from among them. So they always remained his people. Even when the Christian Congregation was born, it did not replace his people. Rather, the people of the nations were grafted in to the existing tree of Israel. The entire chapter of Romans 11 explains this, but I will post notable verses here.

            Roman 11:1 I ask, then, God did not reject his people, did he? By no means! For I too am an Israelite, of the offspring of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he first recognized. Do you not know what the scripture says in connection with E·liʹjah, as he pleads with God against Israel? 3 “Jehovah, they have killed your prophets, they have dug up your altars, and I alone am left, and now they are trying to take my life.” 4 Yet, what does the divine pronouncement say to him? “I have left for myself 7,000 men who have not bent the knee to Baʹal.” 5 So in the same way, at the present time also, there is a remnant according to a choosing through undeserved kindness.

            Romans 11:17 However, if some of the branches were broken off and you, although being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the richness of the olive’s root, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If, though, you are arrogant toward them, remember that it is not you who bears the root, but the root bears you. 19 You will say, then: “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true! For their lack of faith, they were broken off, but you are standing by faith. Do not be haughty, but be in fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.

            Romans 11:25 For I do not want you to be unaware of this sacred secret, brothers, so that you do not become wise in your own eyes: A partial dulling of senses has come upon Israel until the full number of people of the nations has come in, 26 and in this manner all Israel will be saved.

            • Song of Hannah

              On another note – I used to believe that he “exposed their nakedness” to help them repent, but if you look up all the scriptures having to do with “nakedness” the context always shows that by the time God exposes the “nakedness” of a people, or all the sins of a people, he has full-set-on determined to destroy them.

              Ezekiel 16:35 “Therefore, O prostitute, hear the word of Jehovah. 36 This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Because your lust has been poured out and your nakedness has been exposed during your prostitution with your lovers and all your detestable, disgusting idols to which you even sacrificed the blood of your sons, 37 therefore I am collecting together all the lovers you have given pleasure to, all those you loved together with all those you hated. I will collect them together against you from all around and expose your nakedness to them, and they will see you completely naked.

              Ezekiel 23:28 “For this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Here I am about to hand you over to those you hate, those you turned away from in disgust. 29 They will deal with you in hatred and take away all you have toiled for and leave you naked and exposed. The shameful nakedness of your immorality and your obscene conduct and your prostitution will be exposed.

              Hosea 2:10 Now I will expose her private parts in full view of her passionate lovers, And no man will rescue her out of my hand.

              Lamentations 1:8 Jerusalem has sinned greatly. That is why she has become something abhorrent. All who used to honor her now treat her as something contemptible, for they have seen her nakedness. She herself groans and turns away in shame.

              Isaiah 26:20 Go, my people, enter your inner rooms, And shut your doors behind you. Hide yourself for a brief moment Until the wrath has passed by. 21 For look! Jehovah is coming from his place to call the inhabitants of the land to account for their error, And the land will expose her bloodshed And will no longer cover over her slain.

              Ezekiel 23:9 So I gave her into the hand of her passionate lovers, the sons of As·syrʹi·a, after whom she had lusted. 10 They exposed her nakedness and seized her sons and daughters, and they killed her with a sword. She became notorious among women, and they executed judgment against her.

              Isaiah 47:33 Your nakedness will be uncovered. Your shame will be exposed. I will take vengeance, and no man will stand in my way.

              Isaiah 20:3 Jehovah then said: “Just as my servant Isaiah has walked about naked and barefoot for three years as a sign and a portent against Egypt and E·thi·oʹpi·a, 4 so the king of As·syrʹi·a will lead the captives of Egypt and the exiles of E·thi·oʹpi·a, boys and old men, naked and barefoot and with exposed buttocks, the nakedness of Egypt.

              Lam 4:21 Exult and rejoice, O daughter of Eʹdom, living as you do in the land of Uz.But to you also the cup will be passed, and you will become drunk and expose your nakedness. 22 The punishment for your error, O daughter of Zion, has come to its finish.He will not carry you off into exile again.But he will turn his attention to your error, O daughter of Eʹdom.He will uncover your sins.

              Nahum 3:5 “Look! I am against you,” is the utterance of Jehovah of armies, “and I will put the covering of your skirts over your face, and I will cause nations to see your nakedness, and kingdoms your dishonor.

              Babylon the Great:
              Rev 17:16 And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire.

              The Christian Congregation:
              Rev 3:18 I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may become dressed and that the shame of your nakedness may not be exposed, and eyesalve to rub in your eyes so that you may see.

              Rev16:15 Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one who stays awake and keeps his outer garments, so that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.”

            • humm interesting

            • youre smart ?

            • Song of Hannah

              Oh no, not me. Got too many flaws to pass for that. lol I am just ridiculously curious.

            • Darren Wilks

              Thank you for sharing this.. –>Mind blown!

            • Man from the lions pit

              Thank you S of H.You made valid reasoning I do agree to some extend.I did not talk about individual bases.Yes Jehpvah & Jesus will never abandon faithfull person.But on the collective institutional bases they will.Israel as nation”legal entity” was adandon not faitfull jews.Same will happen to or WT or whatever name will be there at the day of judgement “de jure”. “De facto” they alredy imposed on themself the judgem by their unfaitfull action at day whe they acted treacherous.Also not sure if the word abandon is correct for what I meant.Favour woud be more suitable to me I think.Thanks for all scriptural references!

            • Heb 6:10

            • 1914for100Alex

              Hi Man From the Lion’s Pit. I saw your response to me the other day and was hoping to respond back to it, but it keeps coming up as “under moderation” so I’m responding under the original post you made.

              Regarding the points you made, I actually agree with what you’re saying and I didn’t mean to come off as though I don’t understand how bad things are. Believe me, I do. And I’ve been critical of the wrong that goes on inside the organization. That being said, I still can’t bring myself to condemn them as a whole. There are too many good people there, despite the awful things going on around them. The ones that are doing wrong need to be brought to justice, whether it be in a courthouse or by Jehovah. As you stated though, it presents a problem in the meantime for those that know of and accept the reality of what’s going on.

              Admittedly for me and a handful of others here, the situation as a whole isn’t impacting us the same way it’s impacting others. We haven’t been active JW’s for a long time. It’s easier for us to comment on things from the outside looking in. For those that are still going to the meetings though it has to be, as Franz put it, quite the crisis of conscience. I honestly don’t know how I’d handle it.

              In closing, I still stand by my “if not them, then who?”. I fully agree that just knowing what the Bible says isn’t enough. Knowing verses doesn’t make you a Christian, but knowing the correct meaning of those verses is the pathway to knowing Jesus and Jehovah. And it’s those teachings that, in my opinion, still make JW’s relevant in the grand scheme of things despite the evil that has infiltrated them. I firmly believe that more people are going to continue to be saved as long as the JW’s are out there doing their door to door ministry. Not to put words in your mouth, but based on your response to me maybe where we differ is that you would add “but at what cost?”.

            • Man from the lions pit

              Thank you very much you clarification and honest opinion !
              Commenting on this forums is always lacking that what we call face to face discussion.true emotions and meaning is easily obscured ,lost or misunderstood.
              Yes there are many lovely brothers inside.They are not responsible for what is happen because they are not CEO’s they have not executive power.And those who has are currently only 7 man on the top of pyramid. So it should be easy to point a finger however the problem seems more complex for many reason.The most important looks like is the presence of Devil in some form within these group directly or indirectly thus influencing their decision and policies.
              So problem is institutional.We somehow can’t think out of the box and have tendency to fit the Christian congregation always into formal structure so in our case organization. Any human involved and run structure if unsustainable at least in this stage of human history.All this structures have similar patterns and we can’t escape from then.Power & money corrupts.And we can’t separate this two from the structures we talking about.
              I do firmly believe that Cristian congregation can exist out of this picture and doesn’t has to be an anarchy.True Christian congregation is govern by Jesus and by consciences of its members.The Christian train conscience.In the case of anointed ones this is happen on different level that with others.Love and unity is than natural by product in conjunction with holy spirit which is projected toward them consequently reflected on others.This model will probably work in full scope only in new system of things.
              Yes the cost is always some nothing is out of coast however we can’t support or endorse model where side collateral damage is bigger that the intended objective.
              “I asked you to go bring me bowl of blueberries and in order to accomplish that you will chopped down the whole forest. I do have a feeling that in that obsession to fulfill Matt 24:14 something went wrong and they lost from focus the more important thing Love ,mercy,freedom of christian conscience,true Christian unity etc.
              So the cost seem very high.
              Will this sacrifice by acceptable ? That is not up to me to say.
              best wishes,

            • 1914for100Alex

              No problem! I agree. Typing something as opposed to saying it face to face can definitely lead to things being interpreted the wrong way. Looking back at my post I could have probably expressed it differently. Sometimes I just go straight for the point if I don’t have the time to write something longer, but that can cause things that may have painted a clearer picture of what I’m trying to say to be left out. Well, that and my natural tendency to be blunt doesn’t help much either lol.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya, 1914, I agree with you about typing something to get your point across can sometimes get lost in translation…it’s definitely not the same as face to face with the person. When you appeared out of nowhere recently I thought I like how this person gets straight to the point clearly but in a relatable way. You’re similar to Joe Dman who also gets straight to the point but in a natural way without being offensive and talks sense. It makes good reading of the points you’re making.

            • 1914for100Alex


            • Joel Sherrod

              Very good analogy Song of Hannah. Jehovah is still using a “remnant” at least to publish the truth to the world.

          • 1914for100Alex

            Had the Witnesses made some major doctrinal changes that were more in line with Christendom, I’d agree. But as it stands, the teachings haven’t changed much. It’s one thing for the org to play down the child abuse charges. It would be altogether different if they were to promote it. In other words, just because there are some bad apples at the top, doesn’t mean that the congregation isn’t getting the same thing it’s been getting all along. That being Bible truths. Not all of them, but certainly more than other religions teach. I look at it this way; if not them, then who?

            • Man from the lions pit

              Thank you for your opinion 1914for100Alex.You sound to “sporty” to me with your opinion like almost nothing happens.I can’t feel that way.I’m sorry.
              For me personally this not about doctrinal things at first they are for sure important.To me it’s at 1. About Jehovah name being sanctify.By the way how we live our life.
              As Christian I want to love my God and my neighbor. Foremost by my deeds and also by words. NOT REVERSE ! Love is identifying mark of true Christians not preaching! Preaching as sacrifice of lips is totally useless if we are hypocrites or we have no peace with our brothers.
              So as a father of two kids I do abhor pedophilia. For for me one case is more than enough! I do feel pain in my heart for one innocent kid.So H
              how about 1006 document cases in Australia only !
              If JW are present in more than 200 lands and if every country would have only 100 cases than we talk about thousands of cases and victims.And this would be only documented cases how about undocumented ? The scope and gravity is scary this is not just few bad apples in few congregations.I hate statistics but if we would know the real number of this and try to come with percentage of pedophiles among JW so because we are only about 8 mil.I would’t be surprise that we would see horrifying numbers in comparison to other so call Christian religions.
              So we talking here about institutional failure in tremendous scope.By terrible internal policies and following cover up.
              How we can go preach to others with clean conscience ?Are we not identifying our self as JW at the door or on the street? Is’t not presumptuous at least if we do so? Oh its just few bad guys you know ….how about if the house holder knows about this or maybe his own kind or he himself was and object of such crime ?
              I do consider this both hypocritical and presumptuous .
              Majority of JW are obsess with preaching to such extend they forgot to live as real Christians by small tangible acts of love day by day.Many of them are elders and pioneers preaching all over every day but they can’t talk to some people or family members in their congregations because of whatever.Leave your gift/sacrifice and make first peace with your bro ! This is reality in many congregations! Love of many cooled off and will even more ! I
              I’m not saying we should leave or disassociate but we have to call this by proper words and expose the hypocrisy which took over Christian congregation worldwide. Although there is no other religion who teaches the truth in such a scope perhaps as JW this is not excuse to be ignorant or complacent to what is happening.Than all those billions hours and studies are not acceptable sacrifice if we are in this terrible mess with no regrets or remorse.
              We lost moral integrity 🙁 this is not about doctrines
              best wishes,

            • Joyce Haze

              I enjoyed this article on Watchmans post dated in April 2016 entitled “Will the love of neighbor move you”. Speaks to speaking out!

            • Joyce Haze

              I must admit, I do agree on many of your points!

            • Man from the lions pit

              Thanks Joyce!

            • Joyce Haze

              Interesting article, Watchtower Jan. 15, 1974. “Can you be true to God, yet hide the facts.”

        • Thinking

          Perimeno is another site as worthy my brother ?

          • Joel Sherrod

            What exactly is “Perimeno”?

            • Thinking

              Just type in Perimeno..he is a invited one as Robert is and agrees with a lot of what Robert does…

            • Thinking

              Oh and he’s also an active brother who served as a Travelling CO.

          • Joel Sherrod

            Is Perimeno a Greek word? If so, does it have anything to do with ‘holding out’ or ‘waiting’ maybe for more knowledge or something? Don’t really know. please enlighten me.

            • Thinking

              Ah yes I think it means waiting on Jehovah….he is a lovely warm brother…and you will find great encouragement there..
              As you do here…I have come to realise that each invited one has different personalities that Jehovah uses to get certain jobs done…

          • J.M.J.

            Hi Thinking .
            I have looked at the Perimeno site and it is so in line with what Robert says . Just with their own personalities to make them different in their approaches .Many thanks for the site .Do you know of any other sites as well ?

            • Thinking

              No I’m sorry brother..just those two…as you say..different personalities to do a little differing jobs….yet the same….each has their own gift …combined they help get the balance.. ?

            • J.M.J.

              Yes my thought exactly .Many thanks again for the site name .May JEHOVAH bless all of us for our efforts to find out what is ” The Truth”

    • Beverly kenyon

      Hiya Joyce, loved this post of yours. Written with great feelings and passion. Really relatable.

      • Joel Sherrod

        Agreed! Good writing.

  • LW

    All indications are that the proverbial dam is about to break…

  • Listen to Commentary April 7 by e-watchman #np on #SoundCloud

    • 1914for100Alex

      I especially feel bad for the people that are just starting out with their Bible studies. Do they even stand a chance of understanding what’s going on? One of the first things they’re going to hear is that there will never be another world war, and then BAM! It would be real easy to just give up at that point. The only bright side I can think of is that you don’t just decide one day you’re going to be a JW. If you’re committed to your Bible studies, and you didn’t run away screaming when somebody told you the Trinity wasn’t real, you’re obviously committed to finding the truth. That faith alone might just be enough for some to get through it.

      • ewatchman

        One advantage for the newer ones is they have not been so indoctrinated and made dependent upon the Watchtower’s every utterance.

        • 1914for100Alex

          True. I’m kind of in the same boat as I’ve forgotten so much, and upon reexamination I was able to see how ridiculous some of it was. I guess there will be advantages as well as disadvantages. Hopefully those people don’t give up and keep seeking the truth, although I imagine things will be pretty chaotic at that point. Finding the truth may be a bit harder, but that’s what prayer is for. If simply searching for the truth and not giving up on finding it can lead me here, imagine the ways Jehovah will help those in need when the whole system goes kablooey!

        • Joel Sherrod

          That is an excellent point Brother King. Deep indoctrination and mind control—whether deliberate, subliminal, or unwittingly—takes time. Newer JWs, like you said, may not, even if baptized, have been “made” dependent upon every utterance of the Watchtower. Their faith in “truth” in itself may be just enough to see them through the coming WWIII and the Great Tribulation. Let’s hope so at least.

        • Alexandra Bogolin Bautista

          And they have the internet, Google, YouTube ect. Their brains aren’t as tangled as some of us more indoctrinated ones.
          This was one of the main things that made me feel safe here… we are not being indoctrinated by another man….our dear brother Robert. We are all allowed to do our own research, questioning, and thinking. Nobody here is forcing anybody else to adopt a viewpoint. I truly for the first time feel freeness of speech, freedom of conscience, and wonderment of the vast banquet table of clean food here. I’m so full! But the difference is that here we all feed ourselves. Please enjoy this summer day off!! You work so hard and there’s a pantry full of preserved treats for us to reference while we feast on the indestructible word of God….the only inspired word of truth. (Lol…sorry, I can’t help it….someone actually commented last week at the WT study that “the WT is inspired.” May Jehovah help us all!!)

          • Joel Sherrod

            . . . that the Watchtower is inspired . . .! What lunacy! I had to laugh out loud on that one! Lol!

            Not that the Watchtower magazine has not helped many people. No. That’s not it. It’s that someone in the Congregation actually said that as a comment! Wow! What brain-washing! So sad.

            • Alexandra Bogolin Bautista

              And I felt like the only one in the hall who was bothered by the comment. That was what was so disturbing! … the non reaction by the audience. I just think of Jehovah and how He’s been disrespected by Isreal in the past….asking for kings, building a golden calf, …’s all about recognizing patterns and not personally perpetuating it. Be loyal to Jehovah. Period. There is no …..”and his organization.” Psalm 146.
              To those of you from older generations: was emphasis on “the organization” always this in your face? I’ve been baptized 22 years and it seems only like the last 3 or so it’s amped up to the level it is.

            • Joel Sherrod

              That last point you made is very interesting Alexandra. Because in the last 5 years or so, at Assembly’s, Circuit Overseer visits, and Watchtower articles, I too have noticed an increased emphasis on loyalty to the Organization. It’s not just me then! Whew!

            • patri

              No Joel its not just you. When two elders called at my home on a day i was allowed home to get the no blood legalities in order for me to present to the hospital they asked to pray before they left me only to mention all praise to the governing body with a perfunctory mention of Jesus at the end…I felt sad…for them. They are such beautiful young born in elders with beautiful wives and children and so…well…gone

            • Joel Sherrod

              Did all go well with your blood issue? Was it surgery that required blood? Hope all went well Patri. Please assure us.

            • patri

              Yes all went well Joel. I refused blood transfusions four times. The pressure only having effect because they wouldn’t take no for an answer after the first time I refused! I have stage three cancer and my womb ovaries and fallopian tubes and bladder needed to be removed and having lost so much blood during the four hours removing 75% of the cancer and after, and my old age 75y I’ve settled on radiology to zap the remaining 25% that was too much of an invasive mass to get to. So when the radiology doctor gets back from her holiday on Tuesday I’m hoping she books me in asap! Couldn’t face the Trib with that in my body as well as nuclear war, food shortages and pestilence now could I, whatever next. . .

            • Joel Sherrod

              Thank you Jehovah. By the way, you are 75 years young!

              You’ll be fine Patri. I, and I am sure ALL of us on this site, will keep you in our prayers. Keep posting those inspiring thoughts of yours!

              I, for one, am rooting for you. May Jehovah comfort you through His Son, your Savior, Jesus Christ.


            • ewatchman

              Your story may not be written up in the Wt, but rest assured the angels of Jehovah are watching. May Jehovah’s name not depart from your lips, even in your silence.

            • patri

              Thankyou Robert. I guess Jehovah’s name will be the last words all of us will say, even in our silence. We love Him so much.

            • Volcanic

              what a beautiful reply, Robert

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Ali, I think it may well be that the watchtower is inspired in certain areas. The watchtower has in fact got a lot right in its teachings and has brought a great deal to the understanding of the bible. Some of the teachings are of course, institutional as you rightly point out, yet other articles in the watchtower are correct. As for the governing body, well, could it be that they are being dragged, as with hooks in the jaw, to the great day? The comment you heard in the congregation in all intents and purposes, probably did not come from the heart. The psychology of groups is to often say what people want to hear and by doing so, gain a certain amount of kudos from others. Inspiration is, like beauty, a personal interpretation and the only article we have, some may argue, without doubt, that is inspired, would be the bible. Some may see an article as inspired, others that it is borne of study. We see the same principle in those within the congregation calling others weak without knowing the circumstances, so that they may appear mature and wise. These are some of the factors that will keep the brothers and sisters chained to the organisation, because of crowd mentality . ‘Inspiration’ can also be a two edged sword, to draw people in to danger, or to enlighten and save. As seen in the subliminal drawings in the magazines, there appears to be satanic inspiration, alongside the dissemination of the truth in the same magazine no less. Inspiration perhaps, on both sides of the sword and from two different sources. And who is to say that this site is or will be immune from satanic influence? We are, sad to say at this time at least, pawns between two superpowers, set to make our earthly superpowers appear little more than a wind-up toy from a back street in Hong Kong, and the only weapon we have is faith.

            • Song of Hannah

              Very well said, Burt!

            • Joyce Haze

              Hello Alexandra, hate to admit, I am one of the old ones. Never saw the reverence toward the organization that is so prevalent today. The urgency then was always Armegeddon, getting the preaching work completed. I’m not sure when the pioneering work peeked but seemed everyone was at it. 1975 had come and gone leaving many disillusioned and confused! A scripture I became familiar with early on was Mt 24:36, I suppose assuming placing dates on prophesy with my limited knowledge and brain power that scripture kept me in check! Even now on Roberts site, scrutinizing everything I read, wishing to gain nothing but truth through the scriptures. I fully believe Jehovah through our sincere effort, is always helping to guide us to an accurate knowledge. But even more important is growing in faith toward Him, Christ Jesus and his purpose and love toward all who search constantly. The biggest change I feel in the congregation is the lack of zeal in dealing with many struggling or even those who are new literally begging for help. For a new one to just step through the door to the Kingdom Hall is a challenge, and many go unnoticed, even ignored. Why do we go out and search for a new bible study, before taking on a responsibility toward those already in our presence. It literally brings me to tears. We need to grab those willing within our reach before moving on to so many not interested in coming to know God! I do remember the day when there was great emphasis on the number of bible studies acquired, the number of folks in our book to call back on. The emphasis today I hope is gathering in those who need but a hand to grab a hold of a small push forward.

            • Joyce Haze

              Boy, in rereading this I do hope I haven’t personally offended any one, or seemed in any way to being judgmental, no not at all. The only point I was trying to express, is there are so many that need a helping hand, I just pray Jehovah will push us all to take notice, time is short, it scares me for so many!!!!

            • No offense at all, actually Great Advice ?

            • Joyce Haze

              Literally put me in a panic attack, no way wishing to offend. Thank you for your response!

            • Alexandra Bogolin Bautista

              Nothing you wrote was offensive to me! It sounded like you were describing my congregation. It is sad….but when you know better, you do better. We can all contribute to a warmer atmosphere in our congregations, even when it’s chilly!

            • The time is definitely extremely short, this financial system could fall apart at any moment. Bringing the mighty ones to ruin as well as the holy ones. Bringing all wealth to zero. What is the Watchtower going to do when all there real estate money vanishes overnight ?


              This was 2012, imagine how dangerously close things are now.

            • Joyce Haze

              Thank you Joseph, very interesting. I have done some research on our economy here in u.s. As well as European, that good old Anglo American duo. This has all been in the from what, early 1900’s and particularly picked up in the 70’s. All evil, all corrupt, effecting all people, no matter how hard the ultra rich try to hoard and hide. Satan has certainly been the culprit in the scheme! All hose feeling good about the rip off of all time are certainly in for the surprise of their lives. But yes, we an certainly see bible prophesy explains it down to the smallest detail. But those not aware of the prophesy will be blown away in shock and awe when it all blows, now won’t they. Jehovah nails all things so clearly, man would drive himself right in to the Pitts of hell. We can not do a thing right on our own, but do have the the blessings of Jehovah, when we rely on the one who knows our every breath.

            • Thanks to the internet, the ambitions and errors of our leaders have now become widely known. They have been humiliated yet it has not humbled them. Neither have they felt embarrassed. On the contrary! Their insistence on our absolute trust and obedience has become even more pronounced. It is as Jeremiah wrote: “Prophets and priests and everyone in between twist words and doctor truth. My people are broken—shattered!—and they put on Band-Aids, Saying, ‘It’s not so bad. You’ll be just fine.’ But things are not ‘just fine’! Do you suppose they are embarrassed over this outrage? No, they have no shame. They don’t even know how to blush. There’s no hope for them. They’ve hit bottom and there’s no getting up. As far as I’m concerned, they’re finished.”—Jer. 6:13-15,

          • Kevin b

            Just a few WT quotes I like to share with some when I can about the WT being inspired.

            Awake! 1993 March 22 pp.3-4 Why So Many False Alarms?

            Jehovah’s Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus’ second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.’ Never did they say, ‘These are the words of Jehovah.’ The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah’s Witnesses, has said: “We have not the gift of prophecy.” (January 1883, page 425) “Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible.” (December 15, 1896, page 306) The Watchtower has also said that the fact that some have Jehovah’s spirit “does not mean those now serving as Jehovah’s witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes.” (May 15, 1947, page 157) “The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic.” (August 15, 1950, page 263) “The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers. (2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views. (Prov. 4:18)”—February 15, 1981, page 19.

            Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence January 1 1908 (reprint) p.4110 “Views From the Watch Tower”

            We are not prophesying; we are merely giving our surmises, the Scriptural basis for which is already in the hands of our readers in the six volumes of SCRIPTURE STUDIES. We do not even waver that there is no mistake in our interpretation of prophesy and our calculations of chronology. We have merely laid these before you, leaving it for each to exercise his own faith or doubt in respect to them.

            Watchtower 1968 August 15 p.499 Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975?

            30 Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man’s existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah’s loving and timely purposes. Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth. It does not necessarily mean that 1975 marks the end of the first 6,000 years of Jehovah’s seventh creative “day.” Why not? Because after his creation Adam lived some time during the “sixth day,” which unknown amount of time would need to be subtracted from Adam’s 930 years, to determine when the sixth seven-thousand-year period or “day” ended, and how long Adam lived into the “seventh day.” And yet the end of that sixth creative “day” could end within the same Gregorian calendar year of Adam’s creation. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years.

            • Joel Sherrod

              Well, apparently it is surely more than 48 years! It is now 2016, and the “end of the sixth creative day” has evidently not ended! So much for inspiration!

            • Joe Dman

              Thanks for pointing out that 68 WT. Robert brought it up in a podcast or the book or somewhere before. Funny thing, two or three months back we had an over flow crowd so we sit on the back row in one of the classrooms with our kids and grandkids.(None are baptized or even seriously searching). The meeting was incredibly boring so I look over right next to me and there’s some old bound volumes. I grab a 1975 and start flipping through it looking for that article. I was off 7 years but coincidently I found an article concerning the foolish and wise virgins. They pretty much cut and pasted it to the recent one on the Virgins. But I had an idea to sit there again and put little post it notes with some of the “correct” understandings. I had forgot about that so now I should work on it. Such a sinister plan. But I should only do it once. They’ll probably set up a hidden camera after they find them. And even put the website directing an inquiring mind to where the truth can be found. Yeah, I think I’ll go ahead and do it. Just put them everywhere. If you’re going to get thrown out, might as well go out big. How do you place an emoticon with a sneak laugh here?

            • Kevin b

              I like the way you think!! Its amazing some of the things you can find in the older publications. I believe they will get rid of the library all together. I’m sure they would like to distance themselves from the older crazy stuff in print.

            • Joe Dman

              You know it. I love to point out some odd ball stuff that seems way out there, then say “well, that’s some of the stuff Russell was in to. Don’t believe it? Read it for yourself”. Of course if you were to just start talking about pyramidalogy and living separated from your wife and other frowned upon things, they’d think you went off the deep end. But yet they’ll pick out one thing (1914) and make it foundational doctrine. Just shows that God doesn’t clean someone up and make them perfect before he uses them. As Robert pointed out concerning the second WT president, even if he did drink more than he should, he had the personality to hold the organization together during turbulent times.
              King David is my hero. Imperfect in many ways. Scrappy and zealous for Jehovah. Not everyones first pick for king either. He wasn’t considered by anyone but Jehovah. Some refused to believe it. It’ll be similar when the sheep like ones are identified. Could be a stumbling block for some.

            • Song of Hannah

              Good description of King David. Scrappy indeed! ???

            • yeah, and you remember why he chose David… his heart

            • Song of Hannah

              Ah! So now I know why the brothers in our hall of a sudden got a huge camera system even though we’ve never ever had a break in!

            • Shelley.

              Wow!The watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances.At baptism they are Jehovahs spirit directed organization ? I’m confused.Everything in print today claims that they are being directed by Jehovahs Holy Spirit.In fact our very survival depends on our obedience to the GB.

            • Kevin b

              It’s funny how many I’ve talked to all feel that they are inspired. The only direction they receive is from the bible. Actually anybody can profess to be directed by Jehovahs spirit. They don’t mind people believing they are inspired. They have done some wonderful things to help people learn about Jehovah. I’m sure Jehovahs hand has helped some. I think blind guides is a more fitting term for the GB.

            • Shelley.

              Yes I believe they have helped millions to come to know Jehovah. They have doctrinal bible truths but their interpretation of phrophecy is soo messed up. Their arrogant attitude is sickening.

      • Yeah I eacho Roberts thoughts, their new enough not to be indoctrinated into the “ORGANIZATION ” so maybe they will be able to make sound decisions in the time of the end.

        • Volcanic

          to copy/paste part of a message I got from a lovely lady who is currently studying. I posted one of Roberts posts on FB & she asked me was I still a witness, she thinks Robert is apostate. I only hope that not all new ones think/are taught the same

          “Jehovah’s Witnesses is the WT society, they lead the organisation, without it there is no organisation of Jehovahs” She continues by stating that “I am very sceptical that Jehovah would of allowed a massive organisation to get it wrong”
          I think she needs to know the absolute truth as Robert teaches, as do others, but they are indoctrinated from the very beginning i.e. the WT IS Jehovahs organisation & there will be nothing said against them or to criticise them.

          As Shelley says Satan has not been hurled down yet & I too feel tremendously sorry when the new ones will actually find out that many of their so-called helpers will have fled or panicked into lack of action.

          I pray fervently that Jehovah will guide us to help those new ones who need such life saving information at the correct time & that their faith will be strong enough to see them through when the WT collapses.

          I know that the lady might just be reading our comments & I apologise to her if she feels I have spoken out of turn by mentioning part of our chat, but I am hoping that by mentioning it here that she can see from all our comments that none of us are apostates & that we are working side by side to enlighten, not drag down those still deep within the WT teachings to the extent that they listen to nothing else.

          • The apostle John states: “We are certain that we come from God and that the rest of the world is under the power of the devil.” (1 John 5:19; CEV) That being the case, we realize that the world around us has always reflected the influence of the devil in its selfishness, greed, immorality, hatred and violence. That has been true from the very beginning and comes as no surprise to God’s people. But what does come as a shock is that this influence of Satan the Devil would also penetrate God’s holy temple. In the last days worldly conditions would not be uncommon also inside the congregations.

            Paul describes the situation we could expect among God’s own people during the time of the end in these words: “Remember this! In the last days there will be many troubles, because people will love themselves, love money, brag, and be proud. They will say evil things against others and will not obey their parents or be thankful or be the kind of people God wants. They will not love others, will refuse to forgive, will gossip, and will not control themselves. They will be cruel, will hate what is good, will turn against their friends, and will do foolish things without thinking. They will be conceited, will love pleasure instead of God, and will act as if they serve God but will not have his power. (2 Timothy 3:1-5, NCV) The prevalence of such individuals within God’s household would cause God’s faithful servants much suffering, but for our encouragement Jesus made this promise: “He that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.” (Matt. 24:10-13) How could it be possible, though, for Satan to have such great power over God’s people? Jesus condemned the religious leaders of his day as being “from your father the Devil,” because it was really the Devil who exercised the greater influence over them. (John 8:44) Their dominance over the people prevented these from believing in Jesus. Because of submitting to their leaders instead of Jehovah they had in reality become followers of men, and no miracle on Jesus’ part could convince them otherwise. That is why Jesus told them: “You do not believe, because you are none of my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. And I give them everlasting life.” (John 10:26,27) Contrary to what we have been taught by our leaders, the Bible foretold a similar situation for our time

            • Volcanic

              yet again, JS, I am rendered speechless! I know that Scripture off by heart, as does everyone, I imagine, but……but, but, but, I have always had it taught to me that it was ‘the world’ (said with a JW slight sneer & shrug of the shoulders) who is like that, not the brothers!! Reading it from you however, it makes perfect sense at last…of course it is within the organisation!
              After 20+ yrs in the ‘Truth’ I am only just reading Scriptures as they were meant to be understood & I feel as though I need to start again from scratch, almost everything I learned has to be re-learned from the proper perspective!
              Praise be to Jehovah, more scales just fell from my eyes!

            • Hello my dear sister V.

              I know exactly what you mean, we have to go back and reboot our brains. Now I know why I felt like I did coming up in the half “truth “and would often leave the meetings feeling disillusioned.
              When Judge Rutherford seized control of God’s organization back in 1917, maneuvering to become its president, and his fellow corporate directors a governing body (although at that time without any real power or authority), the holy spirit no longer continued as the helper Jehovah meant it to be. Leaders who had placed themselves at the helm of God’s organization now replaced that spirit. Through the Corporation that had been set up, with its many Societies and Associations, this small group of men started to direct God’s people in every aspect of their lives, and in every part of the earth where they were active. Right from the beginning all this was viewed by many as Jehovah’s arrangement. After all, if Jehovah did not agree with it why would he permit it?

              But Jehovah did express his indignation upon them. He sent them to a federal penitentiary where they could sit and reflect on what they were doing and the course they had embarked upon. And, actually at that time, they say that they did discern that Jehovah was disciplining them, yet it failed to prevent them from acting on their ambition to dominate their brothers, even fellow anointed ones. What’s more, they had used a worldly court to bring this maneuvering about, perhaps believing that God uses such means to arrange affairs within his temple. It did not bother this small group of men at all that they had expelled from God’s temple fellow anointed ones who had refused to go along with their ambition, accusing these as being disloyal and “the wicked slave” that Jesus had mentioned. In reality, they had now become that evil slave who will be confronted at their Master’s return. —Matt. 24:48-51.

            • Volcanic

              gosh, thank you, JS, fantastic reply that I can definitely use. I’m off to bed now & will study it again tomorrow.

            • Nite nite

            • Song of Hannah

              I know, isn’t it amazing? The Bible becomes a whole new book!

            • Alexandra Bogolin Bautista

              It’s overwhelming! But I certainly can’t complain about being bored anymore.

            • Srecko Sostar

              Hi! Nice thought. Looking from another perspective, with different eyes.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Wow Joseph, I’ve just read your amazing post and have learnt something new. I’m like volcanic on this one having always referred to that scripture to the people of the world. Only a few weeks ago I quoted that scripture to a person I was witnessing too and yes it does apply to them but they’re just doing what comes naturally to them as they they don’t know Jehovah God, I didn’t for one minute think it applied to God’s people! Light bulb moment for me! Also thinking about all the people I told that Satan the Devil was hurled down to earth in 1914. Keep seeing that Asian Muslim woman’s little face who I told that inaccurate truth to and she was so interested in what I was telling her, we spent hours in conversation, I also quoted that scripture as well. Thought I did well in witnessing to her because it’s not often Muslims will engage now I’m cringing at what I told her. Hope I get to speak to her again so I can do some damage limitation!! Obliviously I’m still detoxing from my some of my indoctrination! Also googled that bible you quoted from…New Century Version as I liked how it’s written…never heard of that bible before. Thanks Joseph for that little mini bible study even though it was for Volcanic but I’m sure she won’t mind that I “sat in on it.”

            • Hiya my dear friend, sorry for the delay in responding, time zone thing and this is my peak season at work. Doesn’t mean that I’m not thinking of everyone ?
              Unfortunately we have all been bamboozled in our thoughts and teaching others because of the man of lawlessness at top levels for many years feeding us. Bev your welcome to sit in on all comments. We all do it, it’s the best way to keep abreast of the happenings around here.
              They teach that we cannot enjoy a relationship with Jehovah apart from the governing body: “We cannot hope to acquire a good relationship with Jehovah if we ignore those whom Jesus has appointed to care for his belongings. Without the assistance of ‘the faithful and discreet slave,’ we would neither understand the full import of what we read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it. (Matt. 24:45-47)”. The same Watchtower says further: “The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.” (September 15, 2010 Study Watchtower) Another article declared: “It is vital that we. . . respond to the directions of the ‘slave’ as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision.” —Watchtower 6/15/1957, p. 370, JEHOVAH’S CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION. Compare the above Watchtower statements with Jesus’ own words: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6) Also note the apostle Peter’s statement regarding the uniqueness of Jesus’ position: “There is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.” (Acts 4:12) The governing body should be teaching God’s people to obey Jehovah’s command, “Don’t put your trust in human leaders. Don’t trust in people. They can’t save you.” —Psalms 146:3, NIRV.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya Joseph, thanks a lot for taking the time to reply…I understand about trying to fit everything in…..there’s not enough hours in the day! The Lockharts who studied with me were very much the Society this and the organisation that….they couldn’t say it enough and at the time I used to think well they’re only doing what they should be doing and I used to think those two words sounded a bit sinister, also I’m no creature worshipper and I don’t kowtow to no one but I will have respect so I didn’t get get their fan worship of the GB. Of course I lapped up everything I was taught because I trusted the Lockharts and they were so clever knowing about God’s Word and I was clueless but I just wanted to be educated about Jehovah and his purposes. Because I’m rubbish at Maths I didn’t get the end of the gentile times when they tried to teach me that point and I just remember thinking is the truth suppose to be this hard to learn…it was ridiculous so I just dismissed it. Of course now I know real bible truths thanks to EWatchman and added information and support from ones with amazing bible knowledge here on this site. You bring out some powerful points in your reasoning regarding our King, Jesus Christ and as usual I will be taking away some points from that.

            • Paul explains that there would be a wicked element right inside God’s temple. A “man of lawlessness” would seat himself within this temple, elevating himself above everyone, yes, even to the point of making himself a god. Paul calls it “the mystery of this lawlessness” that is “according to the operation of Satan.” But before the great day of Jehovah, and Christ’s return, the presence and identity of this man of lawlessness would be revealed, “whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence.” Surprisingly, many of God’s people would accept and willingly submit to this “son of destruction,” even to the point of loving it that way. (compare Jer. 5:30,31) For that reason Jehovah allows “an operation of error” to go to them for embracing this “unrighteous deception,” because “they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved.”

            • Beverly kenyon

              And yet they read that scripture and can’t see it applies to Jehovah’s household. When I learned that bible truth here on this site, everything fell into place….all the wrongdoings and idolatry of the GB and there was going going to be consequences for their actions. The couple I studied with were old school witnesses so loved the adoration of the GB but I didn’t understand that concept…they’re only men also they told me that the Book of John was the most important book in the bible and the Greek scriptures was written and directed to just the anointed ones…still don’t know to this day if that’s true!?? I’m going to copy your post for future reference because you’ve laid out the evidence brilliantly even though Brother King has done that as well. It’s beautifully put! Once again Joseph thank you for my mini bible study!

            • We can be absolutely certain of one thing: The man of lawlessness gets revealed, his cover blown, before Jesus returns. And all the evidence indicates that this is now in progress.

            • Song of Hannah

              Excellent reasoning Joseph!

        • 1914for100Alex

          I definitely agree that not being indoctrinated could be a big help. What I meant in my comment though was that I felt bad for the people that start studying at the very last minute. As in a few weeks before things get crazy. Chances are they won’t have the same opportunities we have right now to learn. Hopefully I’m wrong and the internet will stay up and running, but I could see it going down. Not to mention, people are probably going to be preoccupied with just trying to survive. For the people studying now, there’s still a chance that they’ll get far enough in that they start to question things and start looking elsewhere for answers. This site proves that. The people that don’t get that chance are going to have it a lot harder. Hopefully we will get a chance to help some of them out.

  • e.v.g

    The watchtower will act like a shameless prostitute during the time of the end, the men of bethel are well trained and astute concerning the donations to the watchtower, they are wise, no doubt about that, but they are focusing more on earthly riches.

  • ewatchman

    Sorry, no commentary today. I’m tired.

    • e.v.g

      Take a break dear brother, we’re waiting later for your next and excellent article.

    • Joel Sherrod

      No need to apologize Brother King. You deserve a break. What you do for us—for me—words cannot explain. Thank you so very much Brother.

    • Song of Hannah

      Enjoy old man summer!

      • Hahaha
        At quick glance, my dyslexic brain though it said- enjoy the summer old man !

        • Joel Sherrod

          Hi Joseph!

          Let me ask you, do you think, or have you sensed that in the past, say, 5 years or so, the Watchtower Society has been stressing more than usual ‘loyalty to the Organization’? Many of us seem to think so. Give us your take please.

          • How’s my windy city brother doing? Sending you my love! Yup it’s all about the organization Organization organization, oh and let’s not forget the constant reminders of the dangers of the Internet. They know their bank accounts would be in trouble if the flock learned the truth about the truth.

            • Joel Sherrod

              Hey Joe!

              You are so right my brother. The Society makes it appear like if you are not loyal to Christ’s brothers—the anointed—then you are not being loyal to God Himself.

              What they don’t tell you is that they themselves, all who compromise the Bethel families, are making out like bandits! Loyalty to Jehovah is really “do as we tell you, because we are God’s anointed, and we know better than you!”

              The average Witness is taught to be wholly dependent on them, the Organization. Just as you said, they don’t stand a chance of surviving the great tribulation without them. What a bunch of crock!

              Hey, but I believed it—hook, line, and sinker! And millions are still deceived. How sad.

            • The Governing Body members, in their effort to hold on to their lofty position within God’s temple, have hired powerful lawyers whom they trust and who have become their advisers rather than Jehovah or Jesus, even when their advice goes contrary to what the Scriptures teach. (John 13:34,35) Under the direction of these lawyers they have dealt harshly with many of Jehovah’s sheep. It is not unusual to have one of the Society’s lawyers represent in a court of law a prominent elder who has been charged with child molestation, or sexual harassment of a sister. Thus they protect their own interest and wealth from lawsuits, and attempt to hide wrongdoing, and in the process deny justice to the innocent ones, although they know full well Jehovah’s view of such matters: “Woe to those enacting crooked statutes and writing oppressive laws to keep the poor from getting a fair trial and to deprive the afflicted among my people of justice, so that widows can be their spoil and they can plunder the fatherless. What will you do on the day of punishment when devastation comes from far away? Who will you run to for help? Where will you leave your wealth?”—Isaiah 10:1-3, HCSB.

        • Song of Hannah

          Hehe, on a podcast Robert once described himself as a “scrappy old guy”. Still makes me laugh. ?

          • ewatchman

            Yeah, but I am trying to clean up my image, at least my self-image. I started trimming my beard and combing my hair and tucking my shirt tail in again.

            • Hahaha hahaha, don’t you dare change a thing. We love you just like you are!

            • Song of Hannah

              Sorry bro, try as you may, that just ain’t gonna work. Scrappiness is just something that is inborn. There ain’t no possibility of getting rid of it, or even hiding it. It just is. ??

            • shirt in pants 0_o

              measuring line upon measuring… :p

              ive allways though uve been a good looking guy the way u are

    • Kick back, put your feet up and enjoy a cold blonde honey ??
      For all you do, this one’s for you ?

    • Kevin b

      I can’t imagine how much time you must spend on your computer in order to keep up with everything. You definitely deserve a break.

    • tired? tell me this ti red you speak of.

      hope youre ok

  • Joel Sherrod

    I was just thinking Brother King . . . do you really know how many people love you? Do you really grasp that you are doing a life-saving work, in that you are leading and guiding honest-hearted ones to REALLY KNOW JEHOVAH! To be Prepared for the sure-to-come collaspe of the Watchtower Society . . . and helping to build a solid faith based on REAL KNOWLEDGE, not imaginative speculation.

    I appreciate you so much Brother King.

    I would like to support your work and ministry in any way I can. Please send me a link on how I can do so, discreetly.

    God has never left His people without a PROPHET; and you Brother King, are today’s modern-day PROPHET to all searchers of truth.

    I humbly applaud you. You have single-handidly revived my faith in Jehovah’s end-time plans ! Thank you.


  • Alexandra Bogolin Bautista

    Robert, if you have time or interest, could you do a YouTube response video to this morning worship video? “Happy is that slave” (Matthew 24:46)
    Don’t work too hard!

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    This is a super article. I got encouraged. how blind is the WTS.

  • LW

    The more I think about it, the more I realize that the general awakening that people are experiencing isn’t just some solely evil design but rather is coming from the Creator ultimately, and which is to really get us prepared for what is coming down the pipe….

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