Better is the end of a Matter

//Better is the end of a Matter

Sunday, September 4

This is the blood of the covenant that Jehovah has made with you.Ex. 24:8.

By means of the Law covenant, the ancient nation of Israel was set apart as God’s chosen nation. Jehovah now became ‘their Judge, their Lawgiver, and their King.’ The history of Israel provides a record of what happens when God’s righteous standards are either observed or ignored. Since the Law forbade intermarrying with pagans and participation in false worship, it was designed to prevent Abraham’s line of descent from being contaminated. Through that covenant, Israel had a unique opportunity and privilege to become “a kingdom of priests,” provided they met the stipulation to obey Jehovah’s laws.  Israel, however, failed to meet this requirement. Instead of esteeming the arrival of the Messiah, the primary part of Abraham’s offspring, the nation rejected him. Consequently, God rejected that nation.

COMMENTARY

Long ago Solomon wrote: “Better is the end of a matter than its beginning.” That axiom surely applies to the new covenant, which had its beginning in 33 C.E., but is yet to culminate. 

The Law covenant was intended to lead the Jews to Christ. And even though the majority of the Jews failed to accept the Messiah the covenant accomplished its intended purpose and was concluded. The new covenant is likewise intended to lead Christians to the complete fulfillment of God’s purpose during the final part of the days.

In fact, although Jesus established the new covenant during the inauguration of the Lord’s evening meal, through Jeremiah Jehovah foretold that he would establish a new covenant with his people in the aftermath of a time of great distress upon “Jacob.”

The context of Jeremiah places the establishment of the new covenant as coming about after the great tribulation. To make the point, the concluding verses of the 30th chapter state: “‘His majestic one will be one of his own, and from his midst his ruler will emerge. I will cause him to come near, and he will approach me. For otherwise, who would dare to approach me?’ declares Jehovah. ‘And you will become my people, and I will be your God.’ Look! A windstorm of Jehovah will burst out in fury, a sweeping tempest that whirls down on the head of the wicked.  The burning anger of Jehovah will not turn back until he has carried out and accomplished the intentions of his heart. In the final part of the days you will understand this.”

Although there is no mention of the new covenant the 31st chapter is a continuation, and just as in the span of verse above, God declares that when he establishes the new covenant that he will become their God and they his peoples. “‘For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,’ declares Jehovah. “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I will write it. And I will become their God, and they will become my people. And they will no longer teach each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know Jehovah!’ for they will all know me, from the least to the greatest of them,” declares Jehovah. ‘For I will forgive their error, and I will no longer remember their sin.”’

But if Jesus established the new covenant almost 2,000 years ago, why does the prophecy in Jeremiah locate its establishment in the final part of the days? Because that is when it is concluded, when it will have accomplished its intended purpose of creating a kingdom of priests.

Since the apostles and original anointed Christians have long since died and are sleeping in death, it is only upon their resurrection to immortal life in heaven that the new covenant can be said to have accomplished its intended purpose. That is when “his majestic one” will begin to rule in the Kingdom and lead his flock to God.

But, it is important to note that this is to occur in the final part of the days. Of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the final part of the days began in 1914. But that simply cannot be true. The reason ought to be obvious. Since the new covenant is accomplished when God implants his law within the hearts of those who are called into the covenant, making it no longer necessary for anyone to be taught to “know Jehovah,” obviously the final part of the days —or the conclusion of the system of things —begins after the preaching and teaching work is concluded.

Indeed, better is the end of a matter than its beginning.

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2016-12-08T15:09:55+00:00 September 4th, 2016|Commentary|139 Comments
  • Leonard k

    wonderful article I understand. very encouraging thank you brother Robert.

  • Burt Reynolds

    What would have been the outcome if the Jews had remained faithful to the covenant, or how would matters have progressed at that time? Presumably, no new covenant would have been necessary.

    • Nigel

      The New Covenant is based upon “better promises” (Heb 8:6). It provides for things that the first could not, nor was ever intended to; the foremost of that being the transformation of an individual into the image of Christ. The Old Covenant provides a depiction of the moral standard of God but it does not give it’s adherents the ability to fulfil it whereas the New Covenant does. The New Covenant most definitely was/is necessary for Jehovah’s plan to be fulfilled, not least for the fact that no one, other than Jesus, has been able to perfectly obey the Old Covenant (compare James 2:10).

      • Burt Reynolds

        Thanks Nigel.

        • Nigel

          Praise the Lord!

  • Joel

    Yes. Better is the END of a matter, than its beginning. No doubt. But if you apply that to the Watchtower Society, you might say better is their “beginning.” In what sense? Well, note the following:

    When the Bible Students “began” in 1874, Russell sought to break away from false religion and false doctrine. Hence, the truth about the ransom. . . the Trinity . . . hellfire . . . immortality of the soul, and Jehovah’s name, were all rightly gleened and put forth. And let’s not forget the Great commission to preach God’s Kingdom as the only hope for mankind. These “beginnings” were stellar! Would you not agree?

    But now it looks as though “the end” of the Watchtower will be its sad legacy; things like the 1914 hoax . . . secret bedfellows with the beast—the UN . . . rampant child abuse cases . . . extreme disfellowshipping—resulting in family break ups, depression, even suicide . . . and a embarrassing record of failed date setting and prophecies.

    It seems that in light of the above, the “beginning” of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society was more noble (though error filled) than its soon-to-come sad “end.”

    • Sharon

      I’m sad to say brother Joel, that I don’t think their beginning was any better, maybe even worse. Brother Russell wrote about things that would literally curl your hair. Things like pyramid ology, the winged sky disk on the cover of their books, they actually had a home ready for Abraham,Isac,and Jacob upon their return, so in my opinion what has always made them dangerous is truth mixed with false. And the worst thing that our Lord Jesus Christ returned long time ago.

      • LW

        As the saying goes, “you don’t know the half of it.” I would post something here, but perhaps its wise if I shouldn’t..

        • Ed(the other Ed)

          I don’t think there is anything we can’t handle at this point….let it rip!!

          • LW

            The last thing I want is to start a flame war here..so I understand what you are saying, but just to preface , is all.
            From Zion’s WT 7/15/1902 pg. 215-216
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3374d0cdb3245c458c7bf635d0d0ef7b2a2f6fb5b42f11b84323ad4b9f2dad72.png

            • Joel

              Hey LW. What point are you attempting to make with the above old 1902 Zion’s Watchtower quote?

            • LW

              Just to go along with what was already mentioned about some of the teachings/notions that aren’t valid today.

            • Joel

              Oooo! I get it! You were responding to what Sharon said above about some of the outlandish things Russell wrote about in the early years of the Watchtower Society. Is that it?

            • LW

              Right.

            • Joel

              Whew! . . . that’s a relief! Lol!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Commentary on the Watchtower’s commentary.

              Do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God.” —1 John 4:1..

              As all of Jehovah’s Witnesses surely know, much of what the Watchtower originally published as interpretation of prophecy has long-since been discarded. As an example, the book The Finished Mystery, C.T. Russell’s posthumously published Seventh Volume of Studies in the Scriptures, based in part on the prophecy of Revelation, was riddled with such ridiculous nonsense that it is an embarrassment to the Watchtower Society to this day. There are so many things that could be cited it would fill another book. But to make the point, consider the Watchtower’s published interpretation of Revelation 14:20, which reads: “And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress as high up as the bridles of the horses, for a distance of a thousand six hundred furlongs.”

              .

              Here is the commentary published in The Finished Mystery explaining the meaning of the 1,600 furlongs: (Scroll down to bottom of linked page)

              “By the space of a thousand and [six] TWO hundred furlongs. — This cannot be interpreted to refer to the 2100 mile battle line of the world war. A furlong or stadium is not a mile and this is without the city whereas the battle line is within the city. See Rotherham’s translation. A stadium is 606¾ English ft; 1200 stadii are, mi., 137.9 The work on this volume was done in Scranton, Pa. As fast as it was completed it was sent to the Bethel. Half of the work was done at an average distance of 5 blocks from the Lackawanna station, and the other half at a distance of 25 blocks. Blocks in Scranton are 10 to the mile. Hence the average distance to the station is 15 blocks, or……….. 1.5 mi. Official Railway Guide time-table distance Scranton to Hoboken Terminal, 133.0 ft. New York City Engineer’s official distance Hoboken to the Bethel, via Barclay Street Ferry, Fulton Street and Fulton Ferry, 8,850, 4,950, 2,540 and 1,460 feet respectively, or a total of…………..3.4 ft. Shortest distance from place where the winepress was trodden by the Feet Members of the Lord, Whose guidance and help alone made this volume possible. (John 6:60, 61; Matt. 20:11.)………..mi., 137.9”

              I will leave it to you, the reader, to try to make sense of the information presented above. But if one did not know better a person might conclude that someone at Bethel was experimenting with peyote or some other mind-altering hallucinogens back then.

              Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/commentary-on-the-watchtowers-commentary/

            • Joel

              That is absolutely . . . positively . . . resolutely. . . RIDICULOUS!!! It is beyond crazy, it is sad and down right laughable! Was that considered “new light” then? Did the later book “Babylon the Great Has Fallen” fair any better?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I’m afraid it was considered to be new light. What a waste of paper and ink.
              Concerning Babylon the great has fallen, I would have to review it again but if my memory serves me correct that book pertains to 1918 and 1919 when they believed that Babylon the great had actually fell however we know that not to be true and that it is yet a future event .

            • Burt Reynolds

              A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. Churchill on Russia,….or the watchtower…could be either.

            • ROLEE ALLEN

              bigoted expression in whatever form is pointless Joel…Its hard to fathom anyone believing this nonsense, but sadly, this ideal of so-called “racial superiority” which has its demonic origins, is common place thinking among many in this hatefilled demonic controlled world!

            • Joel

              You are right Rolee. It’s terrible; it’s one of Satan’s greatest demonic accomplishments, if you could call it that at all. How horribly sad.

            • LW

              It most certainly is.there’s plenty of online documentation to verify that notion. It reflects a key aspect of Luciferian doctrine.

            • Joel

              Hey LW, let me just ask you this, I’m curious . . .

              Out of all the examples (old quotes) you could have used to show how in its beginning the WT would make all kinds of outrages statements in their publications, you chose a quote about the inferiority of the ‘negro.”

              Out of many early quotes, why that one—in particular? I’m curious. Please respond.

            • LW

              Well, when reading Sharon ‘s comment, that was the first thing that came to my mind, because I had seen it before.
              I think it just goes to show, how , having just come out of false religion, there was much to be refined.

            • Joel

              Fair enough.

            • Beverly kenyon

              As Jehovah rightly says, ‘ a transgressor from the belly you have been called’ Isa 48:8. So right from their beginning they were viewed as transgressors by Jehovah. As a mixed race woman and a human being I wil never comprehend hating someone because of the colour of their skin…it’s so irrational and very retro…what century are they from?!?!

            • LW

              Yes Beverly, indeed it is outlandish and nonsensical and even they admit as such now. But now, “let us peer beyond the veil of what we see on the surface, so as to better understand exactly what may have influenced this writing.

              We can begin by understanding what was also taking place at that time. As revolutionary as the movement of the Bible students was in starting to reveal long suppressed truths in the Bible, we would also do well to remember that another “revival” or “awakening” was taking place as well. As I alluded to in another post, it was essentially an occult revival. There was a period of time back before the 19th century, where belief in a God was very strong in Europe. But then, with the renaissance of various forms of the arts, there also came a renovation in thinking…including religion. Arising among these ideas was the theory of evolution, which displaces the idea of a Creator, among other things. Unfortunately, it also was used by several prominent individuals to promote the feeling of superiority compared to other ethnicities. Really, it was a tool of Satan to deceive people at that time and really throughout recorded history.
              I could go into alot more detail on this topic, but suffice it to say, that’s essentially the gist of it.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya, LW, Thank you for your reply…I appreciate that and it’s packed with useful information…love that. When I was singing like a canary to that witness last Sunday I mentioned that point about a Bible revival taking place way back but also an occult revival as well…like two religions side by side…and I got info from your post a while back…that witness was uneducated about the history of the WT. The Bible Students back then also segregated the African American witnesses as well until I think they kicked off about that vile rule and they fixed the matter…can’t remember where I read that. Also I saw in a documentary that the Nazis were heavily into the occult and yes I do accept that irrational hatred because of someone’s colour of skin and race is Demonic. I personally don’t hold that against those early Bible Students because they found brilliant nuggets of truth and they had the right heart intentions…but they were a bit wacky as well! Satan really loves to spread the hate…isn’t he tired of being like that?! It must take it out of him!! There was a lot of weird and wacky things happening in the early 1900’s,20’s,30’s…but I find those times fascinating! Thank you once again LW for that information.

            • LW

              Oh nice! Yes, even throughout all of recorded history, you can always find the handful of those who stood for truth.

            • LW

              What are these fallen ones, these lesser gods? They are those one-third of the lesser gods who rebelled against the Creator God Almighty and were cast down to Planet Earth and this solar system and were quarantined here. These fallen ones were essentially cut off from God Almighty and His truth.

              They had the ability to manifest themselves in physical form on Planet Earth but disobeyed God Almighty’s rules in doing so.

              Allegedly the lesser gods the Dracos bred with Earth women and their Nephilim progeny were destroyed by a direct judgment from God Almighty because they were unimaginably evil in all their ways and corrupted the whole Earth.

              They bred with humans which God Almighty had created directly Himself and perverted them with their evil. This was part of their new plan to create their own race like God Almighty had done.

              This was followed by a direct judgment of God Almighty destroying these Nephilim in their human forms and their human hybrid offspring which had become unimaginably evil.

              When the human form of these fallen ones was destroyed by God Almighty’s judgment, only their disembodied spirits remained and they could only then continue their Globalist NWO plan by finding or creating soulless human surrogates to work through and indwell after.

              Naturally they would pick those who were from the wealthiest families that appeared to be the easiest to compromise morally, that is, those who appeared the most selfish.

              http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/07/subjects-and-serfs-of-the-lesser-gods-part-iii/

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Actually the demons have not been thrown down / quarantined to the earth just yet, that is still a future event and will take place when Michael the archangel battles with the dragon. Revelation 12:7-10. Read more>
              https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/revelation/12/#v66012007

              However the demons are in Tartarus which is a place of dense darkness where they are being reserved for judgment.
              2 Peter 2:4
              Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarʹta·rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.

            • LW

              Collectively, these fallen ones comprise what is referred to by insiders as the “Third Force” and operate under the authority of Lucifer (Satan) who is the god of Planet Earth.

              It is this Third Force that the Top Chieftains of the KM and so many top elected officials and “super-elites” have sold out to obtain power, riches and status.

              These lesser gods (fallen ones) plan to deceive the masses directly by “playing the good guy and presenting their new man as a beneficial, problem-solving Globalist NWO leader, who will at some point claim he is the Christ, the world’s messiah. This too will fail, and in due time, according to the conservative Christian view, Jesus Christ will descend and retake Planet Earth, judge evil and rebuild Planet earth the way it was supposed to be.

              What the RKM Top Chieftains don’t understand is that the lesser gods they serve are simply that — lesser gods who have rebelled, who continue to rebel during their confinement here on Planet Earth and who will eventually be destroyed for it.

              These lesser gods are best described as the legendary Third Force. And This Third Force secretly despises the KM Top Chieftains (and all humans), and acts two-faced toward them in order to use them for their own evil purposes.

              The KM Top Chieftains will be disposed of by the Third Force (lesser gods/fallen ones) when they are no longer needed and that time appears to be quickly approaching.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I will have to agree with Beverly when she said”
              “I’m going to stick with the bible” account.

              P.S. LW you’re going beyond what the bible teachings as well as paying attention to false teachings.

              The bottom line is if it’s not In the bible then don’t waste your time trying to peddle it here.

              1 Corinthians 4:6

              Now, brothers, these things I have applied to myself and A·polʹlos for your good, that through us you may learn the rule: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” so that you may not be puffed up with pride.

              1 Timothy 4:
              7 But reject irreverent false stories, like those told by old women. On the other hand, train yourself with godly devotion as your aim.

              1 Corinthians 2:
              13 These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by the spirit,+ as we explain* spiritual matters with spiritual words.

              1 Corinthians 3:
              19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, for it is written: “He catches the wise in their own cunning.”

              Colossians 2:
              8 Look out that no one takes you captive* by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ;

            • LW

              Right, I thought I found something of interest but yeah, it’s better to stick with the bible. It wasn’t intentional, only to try make a connection, that’s all. But I appreciate the admonition.

            • Beverly kenyon

              LW, I went on that link you posted and that story was weird wrapped up in some Bible Truth…because we know about the Fallen Angels, why they gave up their heavenly bodies and the reason they came to earth. The Khazarian Mafia?! The name alone sounds ridiculous! Well, if such a group exists and are controlling governments behind the scene…they’re in for shock when Jesus Christs comes in his real parousia and everything is revealed. I do know that there are very dark things happening behind the scene that the average person is unaware of and I do know in some ancient cultures there are stories of giants with double row teeth and red hair. Apparently, they’ve even found some of their skeletons…how true that is I don’t know. As fascinating as those stories are I’m going to stick with the bible account…but I’m always curious. Thanks again LW for that interesting information.

            • LW

              Np. The fact of the matter is as we know, there are groups that do Satan’s bidding and it only makes sense. This just confirms what we already know in the Bible about the truth. It’s shocking but it is the truth…then again, what else would you expect in a world run by Satan? The name of them in the end doesn’t matter but it was from reading an article like this that I finally made the connection to Biblical truth. It was like an aha moment.

              And I agree not all the info is necessarily accurate but as a whole this helps to further underscore the truth.

          • Kevin b

            Since we are quoting interesting watchtower quotes, here is one I thought was interesting.

            * * * Golden Age, April 2, 1930, p. 446 * * *
            Question: Will husband and wife live together after the resurrection is completed, if both are in harmony with God?

            Answer: The Scriptures do not reveal what the relationship of men and women will be after the resurrection is completed. The most that we know is that there will be no children born during the last 100 years of the Millennium (Isa. 65:20), nor any born after that, because men and women do not have children after they reach the age of 100 years. Whether the identity of the sexes, as such, will be preserved, we do not know. There have been some well authenticated instances in which women have been transformed into men, and it is possible that this transformation may become general and we shall be brothers together.

            I was under the impression Jehovah was gonna make things wonderful again. Isa 29:14 Therefore, I am the One who will again do wonderful things with this people, With wonder upon wonder; And the wisdom of their wise men will perish, And the understanding of their discreet men will be hidden.

            If all I have to look forward to is my wife being transformed into a man, you can just go ahead and count me out now!!

            Some of this old information is really out there. I’m weird for not believing Jesus was enthroned as King in 1914. Are you kidding me Watchtower? Women turning into men? The more I learn the harder it is to be apart of the crazy!

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              LOL! makes me wonder if they were taking LSD back then, glad I wasn’t around I may have just believed such crap.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya, Kevin b, I know your post was for Ed but after reading it and when I had stopped laughing ( I nearly choked on my coffee reading that ), I just have to tell you that post of your’s has got to be one of the best post’s I’ve read!! And I’ve read some amazingly brilliant posts on this site…but that’s got to be in the top ten! Especially the point you make about 1914…which I will be using if I discuss that topic with anyone who believe the 1914 hoax! Loved also how you pointed out that fantastic Isa29:14 which completely debunk their weird and ‘wonderful’ ideas!! Unbelievable!!

            • Kevin b

              Thanks. I hope everyone who read it understands the humor in old watchtower articles. Where did they come up with this stuff?

            • Beverly kenyon

              But Kevin b, people back then would’ve taken that ridiculous nonsense as gospel! You have to be mainlining some illegal substance to come up with that stuff!! Your friend Ed was right! Loved that post…when I was doing some retail therapy before and was wandering about the shops just kept thinking about it.

            • sally

              Oh i was crying laughing when I read K’s post! It is embarrassing for the organisation, but great fodder for the future when the opportunity arises to question 1914 doctrine with someone. I will be using that watchtower explanation for sure! Hope you made a good purchase Beverly!

            • Beverly kenyon

              I know Sally…crying laughing!! I wonder how that information went down in a bible study! That post was fab…and now we have an answer for not believing 1914. I’m all about learning and trying to retain the information because you never know when you would have to use it. How are you Sally? Good I hope and still plodding on. Hope you’re still not stressed out about getting baptised….your study sister is ruining your journey towards that goal. Perimeno wrote a good piece on baptism…perhaps you should check it out and I’m sure Brother King covered that very topic in a question from someone a while ago…it might give you a new perspective on taking that step when you feel ready. Dean in telling his story in the Guest Book mentioned how after 30 years of being associated with witnesses he’s still not baptised…so that was interesting. You mentioned in one of your posts that you were an activist so I think going out in the ministry will be a doddle for you as you wouldn’t hold back in telling people about God’s Kingdom…I think you would be very confident, friendly and caring….a real asset for Jehovah. But having said all that, you’ll know when you’re ready…it’s your personal decision. Yeah, I wanted the perfect ‘antiquey’ worn, big ‘silverish’ plant pot without paying full price….cos I try not to pay full price for most things…and I got one. My taste is shabby chic, a bit of Art Deco with some modern thrown in. Buzzing when I get a bargain! Lol.

            • sally

              I love your taste Beverly! glad you got what you were looking for at a bargain, everything is so much nicer when you got a bargain!
              I am not letting the baptism thing get to me, I have only been studying for 15 months so there are tons that have been studying longer than me. Yes I read about Dean, it reminded me of my study sister at the convention, this lady came up and hugged her, my study sister said “oh no” as she approached her though. It turned out to be her Aunt!! It also turned out that her Aunt had been studying and attending meetings for about 30 years as well without getting baptised. My study sister explained that she was very knowledgeable but had “fear of man” (or this was her thoughts on the matter anyway) which was stopping her Aunt. She said she didn’t tell anyone at her work of her beliefs for fear of being bullied. My study sister was most disapproving although she has not worked most of her life and has built a very small nice bubble around herself so she does not deal with these pressures and from her criticism of her Aunt does not empathize much with those who do have them. I found her Aunt to be really warm and personable, I liked her much more than my study sister!! and that was before I knew she was unbaptized. It was things like this that were contributing to me feeling down and unsettled about everything before I came here. After I did come here, I have wandered if maybe she had other reasons (ie concerns over the WT teachings and conduct of those in her congregation) and that had possibly held her back. Maybe one day I will know.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Sally, I do not know how you put up with that lady!! How did you end up with her? Just reading about her bad attitude is really getting on my last nerve!! You’ve got to try your hardest to talk with her Aunt on her own…I bet she has loads to say that will probably surprise you! You have so much real knowledge now you’ve got to stand up to that sister…she’s running rings round everyone! I really have to high five you Sally for sticking it out under that pressure…anyone else would’ve either fired her right off and find someone else to study with or would’ve been stumbled! She’s dealing with someone’s spirituality and eternal life…but obviously that’s unimportant to her because she already has everything…she’s already in Paradise! Jehovah saw you struggling and guided you here…to nurture you and educate you with real truth until you’re fully ready to dedicate yourself to him because he has work for you to do, ie, the Ministry work and in the future when Jesus Christ comes back and the sheep are scattered, you with your knowledge of the real truth will be able to explain what’s really happening…so there’s lots to do in the near future and it would be marvellous if you were a part of that momentous time.

            • sally

              Sorry Beverley I replied to you but replied to myself (above) by mistake!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya, Sally, I got your post. Had to sign off last night to get my zzzzz’s. Reading that post was like reading about an abusive relationship! Never mind, hey! You’ll get through it. Like you I’m gonna have a gander at those links that Bklyn Kevin posted to you…it looks interesting. Don’tcha just love Bkly Kevin for being a constant…always there to supply the right scriptures and information…love that guy!

            • sally

              Thank you for your encouraging words Beverley! I would like to think I get the chance to share the “real truth” with others who are searching for it. At the moment it feels like I am hogging it all to myself! But it just isn’t possible or wise for me to do anything but right now. Plus, i have way much more to learn and understand, I am not competent enough by far at the moment. Unfortunately I doubt I will see the Aunt again. Although she was at our convention, she comes from a different area. My study sister doesn’t socialise with her as she disapproves of her. Up until that day I did not even know she had an Aunt who studied with the witnesses. She had never mentioned her even though she talks about the rest of her family (who are all JW’s).
              I will not deny it is very hard studying, not just because of these issues but because it is running parallel with me learning the “real truth”. A few weeks before I came here, I started to distance myself from my study sister, she was becoming very dominant and questioning me in a manner that I did not like. She was wanting to know what I was doing, who I was with etc. She was over familiar and disrespectful (I do not think she would speak to sisters at the hall as she was speaking to me). I was becoming accountable to her. I needed to get back in control of my own development. It is clear things have changed from how they were, and that is helping, although I am sure I am talked about! But I am going to try and rise above it and keep going to my study and attending the meetings whilst learning here. I have to say, not just getting all this amazing truth which makes so much sense is truly a godsend, but meeting you all, and hearing your stories, struggles and discussions re the scriptures has saved me from total despair. And for that I will be forever grateful x

            • sally

              I have had a hard day and I really needed this post! Laughing hard here as well! I am happy being a woman and if there is the remotest possibility that I am going to go to bed one night as a woman and wake up the next morning as a man then you can count me out to lol!
              Seriously though, considering some of the outlandish claims/understanding that were being made, why oh why is it so impossible to believe that 1914 was wrong to?

            • Rightfully so, And if there is no women in paradise, then I guess it wouldn’t be paradise either .

            • Kevin b

              As much as I love Jackie Gleason, I’m much more inclined to enjoy the beauty of a woman.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Laughing so much at that Jdab! So extremely funny…where’s Burt…he would definitely have something funny to say about that. Naughty!

      • Joel

        Good points!

      • Burt Reynolds

        I never heard of pyramidology before I became a witness, and for the life of me, I cannot think what a pile of stones can do to make life better for anyone, unless it is to build a house with.

  • Just keep swimming!

    So is this like the presidential election process in USA?….a president is elected in November but isn’t sworn into office until January.

    I feel like my brain is turning into mush the last couple of weeks….ever since my “shepherding visit”…it’s becoming more and more difficult to “be all things to all people.”

    Matthew 6:24 pops into my head….”you cannot slave for two masters”….and I’m definitely feeling like perhaps I am…to appease my elders and my congregation….part of me just wants to shout from my FB rooftop that I only slave for Christ and I cannot keep up this charade. I feel like I’m shutting down. I’ve been returning to a bad habit… actually an addiction: junk food…to numb myself because I just feel so unsettled. Sorry…I didn’t mean to make this post about me. But the words “better is the end of a matter” keep ringing in my ears to motivate me to “just keep swimming.” (Currently I feel like Dory from “finding Nemo” after she swims through the pod of jellyfish and gets stung and she’s lying life less on the ocean floor.)

    I really try to keep a happy face, but I too don’t want to go to meetings…it’s becoming more and more difficult to engage with people (who are doing their best, trying to serve Jehovah, and in their minds teaching the TRUTH)…but have NO spiritual CURIOSITY…they can’t discuss a scripture without FIRST consulting watchtower online library. Ugh…I’m very sorry to be so down and complainy. In the big picture I get it…I’m just having one of those days. I’ll eventually get through this. I feel better already just being open and honest about my feelings. I’m not always happy, zealous, courageous, and strong.

    Ok…so back to this article. Please correct me if I’m missing something:
    1) Jesus baptism marked him being the Messiah and Christ.
    2) After he “accomplished” his mission and was resurrected, he sits at Jehovah’s right hand. Is he King there? Is Jesus King in heaven, or does he not “technically” get that title until he COMES? Or is that title applicable once he begins the millennial reign?

    I feel so dumb!!!

    • Burt Reynolds

      Hello sunfish! Please don’t beat yourself up about what elders have said to you. There is a vast difference between the religion of man and the word of Jehovah. When Jehovah is with you, who can stand against you? Your salvation is with Jehovah. No one person can buy that for you, or coerce you into thinking otherwise. These elders are victims of victims. They blindly go trying to bind people to a man made illusion because they cannot see the truth for themselves. You become a prop to them. ‘If so many people believe, how can we be wrong?’ And they seek salvation through numbers. Do not become frustrated at them. They are a stiff necked people. Those that will come out, will be shown the way and you only harm yourself by eating junk food. There is no need to harm yourself. Jehovah is a happy God, rejoicing in the work of his people. The truth makes one happy and though there are people who are not listening, you know that there are some that do, as you showed with the family you met. Lean on Jehovah, and he will guide those who want to hear to your doorstep. He uses his willing servants and he will use you, and you will rejoice in his name. You have Jehovah’s word on it. ?

      • Just keep swimming!

        Thank you my dear brother. I cried a little when reading your comment. And Im not upset with my elders…I’m upset with myself for losing my balance and using food to “check out.” And when I eat garbage my brain doesn’t work as well, so I just gotta detox over the next few days and “hit the ball” and get back in the match. Back to basics….I think I allowed everything going on to overwhelm me. Thanks for your words.

        • Joel

          . . . to Jehovah you live, and to Jehovah you die . . . what can man do to you!

          You hang in there ‘little wonder fish’! You are a STRONG swimmer! Though at times it may appear you are swimming up stream, against the tide . . . Jehovah—through His holy spirit and the love of the brothers (here on this forum)—you are not alone!

          Believe me my wonder fish, we too are swimming against the tide as well. We have one another to nudge us on to victory!

          May Jehovah continue to bless you as you “swim against the tide” and indeed find TRUTH!

          Much love,
          Brother Joel

      • Ed(the other Ed)

        Nicely put Burt….amen to that!

    • sally

      So sorry your going through a bad time, I completely understand you when you say its beoming more and more difficult to go to meetings and discuss spiritual matters when so many have a lack of spiritual curiosity. That is a really good way of putting it. I gently tested the waters with my study sister last week, she became flustered, waffled and gave me a nonsense answer and I had to let it go. I know that she would not have taken the time after our study to mediate on my questions to her. She would of satisfied herself with the answers she gave and moved on. It so frustrating and get’s you down. Most have junk food days! don’t beat yourself up about it but just don’t have one everyday! everything in moderation so they say. Take care and I will remember you in my prayers to Jehovah tonight before I go to sleep x

    • Volcanic

      oh, pretty little yellow fish, stop with the ‘brain mushing’ & the junk food! fish DON’T eat burgers…….yuk!
      My darling girl, keep plugging away, Jehovah brought you here for a purpose, you just don’t know what it is yet, so you have to keep going to the KH & keep those lips buttoned, you are my inspiration!
      1) Yes
      2) He gets the title once he arrives in his parousia
      Well, I think so anyway xxxx 😉

      Keep swimming upstream, little Dory, just remember that even though we can’t hear Jehovah, I’m certain He says to you in a little whisper “you rock, Dory, you rock Girl” xxxxx

    • ROLEE ALLEN

      No way your “dumb”…It took me a while to wrap my mind around what Brother King was saying after being mislead by the watchtower…the 1914 lie has us believing that Christ is reigning as king since 1914 and come to find out the truth from ewatchman that is not the case yet!?…Yeah, I have eaten my share of junk food!….Your not alone at all!…I took the “new light” that I received from Brother King and tried to shine it on the elders….ouch, they didn’t like the brightness in their eyes at all!…I am not DF’d but I am not in favor with those who prefer the darkness…I prefer the outcast status, Jesus is the one I want to follow and I am so happy to know so many who feel the same way I do….Do not worry, Jehovah will help you and give you strength!

      • Kevin b

        Growing up a witness, hearing and seeing the same old stuff for years made me wonder what was really going on. If Jesus has been king since 1914, what in the world has he been doing up there. Something just didn’t seem right. Finding Roberts site was an eye opener. As you say I guess some prefer the darkness. Blindly following a man made organization even though when you examine the information it makes no since. I too, am kinda on the outcast status I guess. I’m there in body only, not really into the whole new arrangement. Going in the ministry playing videos at the door just ain’t for me. I see JW.org as an idol and I really don’t want anything to do with it. Jehovah gave us the bible not a dot org. They handed out JW.org buttons at the hall one day, my family’s went straight in the trash. It’s all smoke and mirrors. The brothers have done a great job convincing the JWs all you need is JW.org, it’s great, while the real truth is lawsuits, pedophile issues, fines multiplying, things the average JW doesn’t have a clue about. Like you said it nice to know we are not alone in this mess. There are others out there that get it, and are waiting on Jehovah to make it right.

        • Ed(the other Ed)

          LOL! your definitely not a society man given that you were born into it. It seems most people that were raised in it have the hardest time figuring it out. You’ve been blessed for sure!

        • ROLEE ALLEN

          It seems this is a common theme for most of us…its hard to drag that JW.org ball and chain, thats for sure!

        • Lisa

          I would like to say AMEN to you Kevin! Exactly how I feel and very similar growing up. I really have a difficult time just smiling and keeping silent for right now when I would love to shout from the roof top. I refuse to give JW.ORG free advertising by wearing the propaganda. Loyalty belongs to Jehovah and Jesus…. NOT the ORG!

        • Joyce Haze

          Kevin b, it’s interesting, it was my understanding that many brothers and sisters may be aware of so many of the situations right before them going on in the organization. However, my husband has had a very sweet couple calling at the house over the past month. Well finally yesterday HE chose to get into this serious matter and inform them of his shock in only recently (past year) hearing of the U.N. Association, the big, big bucks being made and of course the injury to young children. He said they both looked at each other in complete confusion. My husband is not always the most tactful, kind, but little use of filter when speaking. I told him to not be surprised to see an elder at the door next visit.

          • Joyce Haze

            My point is, they are completely unaware and have such a zeal to share with others the good news of God’s kingdom!!!

            • Joel

              You are so right. The average JW is completely clueless when it comes to scandals and wrongdoing within the Organization.

              I am always amazed at how well the Watchtower Society keeps the rank-in-file in total darkness in certain areas. Wow!

          • Kevin b

            Oh, you are right about that. It’s all on Wikipedia, I’m sure that’s where he got his information ?

    • Bklyn Kevin

      When does Jesus become king?.
      https://e-watchman.com/jesus-become-king/

      Psalms 110:1-7
      A king and priest like Melchizedek
      Rule in the midst of your enemies’ (2)
      Willing young ones like dewdrops (3)
      https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/psalms/110/

      When does the kingdom come to power?
      (From 2006) In Revelation chapter 12 Christ is viewed as “Michael” fighting against the dragon and its angels. However, in Revelation chapter 19 he is seen as “King of kings,” striking the nations and shepherding them with an iron rod.

      In this scene, he rides in warfare not only with the faithful angels, but also with the holy ones. So it appears that Christ becomes King after the war that broke out in heaven, but immediately preceding Armageddon. Unlike this scenario, e-watchman says that “the ouster of Satan and the demons takes place after Jesus is given his kingdom.” Is it not apparent that the kingdom is given to Christ and the holy ones after the war in heaven and Satan’s ouster, but before the Armageddon war?

      ____________________________________________

      The 12th chapter of Revelation depicts a symbolic woman giving birth to a male child who is to rule the nations. Obviously the birth of the child symbolizes the birth of God’s kingdom. And, indeed, immediately after the child is born it is “caught away to God and to his throne.” The fact that the child is caught away to God’s throne indicates that the child is an heir of the kingdom.

      It is immediately after the birth of the royal child that war breaks out in heaven between Jehovah’s angels and the demons. Revelation 12:10 confirms for us that the war in heaven was a result of Christ’s kingdom coming to power.

      After the Devil is hurled down to earth he then goes off to wage war against the holy ones for 42 months. Eventually all the holy ones will be killed, which is why the entire body of chosen ones (144,000) is with Christ in heaven to smash the nations at the climatic battle of Armageddon. (See essay: Will Christianity Survive the End of the World?)

      http://questions-4jehovahs-witnesses.blogspot.com/2013/10/when-does-kingdom-come-to-power.html#!/2013/10/when-does-kingdom-come-to-power.html

      The Kingdom of God.
      Excerpt:
      Once the kingdom comes to power war will erupt in heaven. The 12th chapter of Revelation sheds light upon this event.

      “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.’”

      As the above passage indicates the hurling down of the Devil and his demon angels will signal that the Christ has begun to rule as king with full power and authority. (Michael the archangel is in fact, Jesus Christ.)

      Although Jesus long ago exhorted his followers to pray for God’s kingdom to come, as the above passage also indicated, the coming of the kingdom does not immediately result in blessing for mankind. Just the opposite – “woe for the earth and sea.”
      Read more> https://e-watchman.com/the-kingdom-of-god/

      When was Jesus given the Kingdom?.

      https://e-watchman.com/when-was-jesus-given-the-kingdom/

      Search results for: become king. Read a lot more>
      https://e-watchman.com/?s=become+king&lang=en

      .

      • Joel

        Thank you Kevin for these links. I, for one, am really gonna check them out so I can be up-to-date on these matters. Believe me, I have a lot of questions that need answering. I’m just a bit embarrassed to ask sometime. So again, thank you.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Joel please always feel free to ask it really is no trouble at all in fact it is my pleasure.

        • sally

          Please ask them Joel because you can bet most of us do not know and need to know the answers to!

        • Just keep swimming!

          Yes….please ask your questions.

    • Lisa

      I feel the same way! When I attend meetings I feel so depressed. Most of the brothers/sisters go about the business of being a good JW instead of really being a good Christian. There is a difference between being “religious” and being “spiritual” Going to the meetings feels so religious , numbing and just going through the motions. I really want to love Jehovah! For me… each time I go to meetings and here them praise the GB/Faithful slave, 1914 and some new rule they have imposed on us, it takes me longer to recover and get my happiness and love for Jehovah back. So I am out of the “meetings” loop for now. I go to Memorial and once in a while to a Sunday talk but the Watchtower study is too much for me to take. My thoughts are with you and in honor of your struggle, I too had some junk food, doughnuts with coffee this morning!

  • Leonard k

    better is the end of this wicked system of things and the beginning of jehovah’s kingdom.

    • Joel

      Here here!

  • Joyce Haze

    Hello all. I was able to spend (3) hours discussing Jehovah with my beloved granddaughter. She is so precious and also experienced some negative in her past visits to Kingdom Hall. Felt tremendous shunning, not understanding at all what was going on! She’s a teenager and has struggled trying to get a handle on it all. Explained to her that much of what she felt and saw is depicted in the Bible. That it is’nt about her personally, we have agreed to work on our own through Roberts website to help her better understand, and to just learn many, many things she wasn’t aware of. I feel like I’m om cloud nine in anticipation of her moving forward, that Jehovah is there always for her, and the sacrifice Jesus so willingly gave so we can praise, love and honor his father, our Heavenly Father, the joys to live under his perfect, righteous glorious new world. I’m sorry, this is not in line with the commentary but am so excited, had to share, maybe a party is in order. You all make my day, each day. Robert has changed my whole world with the abundance of love and sharing of knowledge, Jehovah does fill us with joy, hope and peace. Fear of this old world, all the ugly, is so diminished by our hope in the only one who has the power and love to change it all.I thank you all, I know you have a listening ear. Love, Joyce

    • Thinking

      Good for you Joyce …our grandchildren are precious to us…

      • Joyce Haze

        Thinking, yes our families are such a blessing, our greatest hope is their opportunity to love and serve Jehovah, that makes a joy we all can share together!! Now that’s a real blessing!!!

    • Tabitha

      Thank you for your lovely comment Joyce, it brought tears to my eyes, what a blessing to help anyone, but especially our loved ones to come to know and love Jehovah…..well done!

      • Joel

        Agreed.

      • Joyce Haze

        Tabitha, I hope and pray this is the turning point to move forward full throttle and allow nothing to slow us down. We’ve so little time but much to do. When we work to do Jehovah’s will all things seem to move in the right direction. I’m praying that all will come to see the real truth and seeking Jehovah’s love and mercy! Thank you for your kindness!

    • Joel

      Very nice Joyce that you are there for your granddaughter; teaching her first about Jehovah’s grand purpose for mankind, then allowing her to learn ‘the truth about the truth’ through Brother King. I know you and she both will be greatly blessed!

      As for her feeling shunned at her Kingdom Hall, it could be teenage awkwardness (trying to fit in, etc.), or the fact that she has really begun to see some of the inconsistencies in Watchtower doctrine—combined with a “cold” stand-offish attitude that many Witnesses exhibit toward those they deem as suspicious.

      No matter her timidity toward the friends at the Hall, let her know that she’ll find no ‘stand-offish’ attitude here among the E-Watchman family! We love Jehovah and His Son Jesus Christ, and we look forward to the time He will sanctify His great name among the Nations! We rejoice with you Joyce (cute) that your granddaughter will be joining our family of believers. Tell her WELCOME! She has indeed found the truth!

      • Joyce Haze

        Thank you Joel, I do appreciate your supportive, loving attitude. And yes, now we have mom, that is my daughter to move in the same direction. Again, thank you for always being there. Love and blessings your way also!

        • Joel

          Wow! It’s a family affair! Wonderful! Let’s hear from them all!

          In all seriousness, I am truly happy for you all; believe me, you won’t be disappointed.

    • This is very encouraging news! Thanks for sharing!!

      • Joyce Haze

        Yes, I truly believe if we take the step forward, JEHOVAH sees and leads us along. He so helps us to adjust our feelings and attitude and I am so grateful for his loving kindness to direct our steps, in a way that makes all things possible! Such a gift and a blessing in our Heavenly Father! Thank you brother Jehonadab!

    • Volcanic

      Joyce, that is such wonderful, wonderful news, I am so thrilled for you. Welcome then to Granddaughter, make yourself known here, sweetheart & then we can all say hello. My granddaughter is only a baby yet but I make her hands into a little prayer-like shape every meal time & am trying to teach her to say Amen…….it stills comes out as “bam,bam”……but the thought is there!! Granddaughters are so very precious to us.

      I wish I could persuade my daughter to follow on here, she still thinks I am being negative about the future, but she does love Jehovah, I think it is the thought of horrible things happening soon that scare her. She did some part time clothes modelling for a few boutiques, very decent but the other teenagers treated her like dirt to be honest – funnily enough, everyone of those teenagers has either left or been df’d!!!

      To your granddaughter; my daughter had the same problems when she was a teenager, in fact it caused her to leave the Truth – don’t let that happen to you, my love, stay focused & learn from all the spiritual members here.

      Dearest Sister Joyce, move over & let me join you on cloud nine, I want to share your joy xoxoxo

      • Joyce Haze

        Dear Sister Volcanic, I so enjoy your comments and your enthusiasm. Yes, don’t we all just try and wait for the opportune time to share the most important thing in the world Jehovah and Jesus, our place in this arrangement that has been so lovingly extended to us. Jehovah’s purpose for all mankind. And his Son to take over that kingship. My search has lead me to this point, where wandering along has led to such misery. This site has helped me so much in my effort to draw closer to Jehovah. Jehovah’s love and patience and of course His perfect Son who made it all possible. All I can do now is hope and pray that one day Jehovah finds me deserving of his love and blessings. My Daughter and Grandchildren are a blessing in my life that I pray can come to know Jehovah and Jesus in a close and personal way. Oh the joy!!! I know the appreciation from the knowledge and understanding I’ve gained from Roberts site has made the Truth to mean so much more to me. That’s the hope I have for my family, that they to will come to better understand what only Jehovah requires and to learn his perfect way. To understand his love mercy and justice in all things. To trust in him alone!!! I’m sure Jehovah will help you along for that perfect time and opportunity to move your daughter along, to appreciate His loving kindness and patience, don’t ever give up, I’ve been so pushy that sometimes I feel I may have been partly responsible for their backing away a bit! I have moved over for you and thank you so much for sharing in my joy!

    • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

      You are right!!! Roberts website helps us to better understand the deep things of prophecies, we as husband and wife doing the same since 2014. I could able to eliminate 1914 from my wife’s mind as she was a staunch JW. We now teach the same thing to our twin boys (sons) from Robert’s website who are aged 8years. My wife always refers Roberts web site when anyone ask questions regarding prophecies. You are doing the goood job keep it up.

      • Joel

        Very encouraging indeed!

      • Joyce Haze

        Dear brother, thank you for your kindness. Yes I am so appreciative for all the knowledge and a better understanding of the scriptures. Much of what I had learned only scratched the surface. Learning that much of what we now know was prophesied to take place has helped me better understand what is going on. The 1914 thing has caused much confusion to many. I love the clarity in our little study group and feel that Jehovah is certainly blessing our meeting together in an effort to learn his will and purpose!!

  • Volcanic

    Isn’t this just wonderful “‘For this is the covenant
    that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,’ declares
    Jehovah. “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I will write
    it. And I will become their God, and they will become my people. And
    they will no longer teach each one his neighbor and each one his
    brother, saying, ‘Know Jehovah!’ for they will all know me, from the
    least to the greatest of them,” declares Jehovah. ‘For I will forgive
    their error, and I will no longer remember their sin.”’
    ……..
    for they will all know me…………

    • Ed(the other Ed)

      You got that right….brings tears to my eyes for being a piece of dirt most of my life. Thanks for sharing!!

      • Joel

        Jehovah is so great it’s incomprehensible!

        Christendom, with their stupid Trinitarian—three persons in one—God misses EVERY GOOD THING that the true God represents!

        I am reminded of the Bible account at Mark 12:28-31, where a Scribe asked Jesus: “Which command is first of all.” Jesus’ answer is very revealing. He said:

        “The first is, Hear O Israel, Jehovah our God is One Jehovah. And you must love Jehovah your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with your whole mind and your whole strength . . .” But now, notice the next thing Jesus said:

        “The second (commandment) is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There are NO OTHER commandment greater than these.'”

        I site this to show how small we as sinful humans are. WE NEED GOD! But we also need one another! That is why I associate here with my E-Watchman family of believers. I have grown to love each and every one of you! Every day I eagerly look forward to reading Brother King’s commentary, and the “comments” from my E-Watchman brothers and sisters. What a joy to be a part of this great end-time movement! Thank you all!

        • Ed(the other Ed)

          thanks Joel, it’s been a wild ride running the gauntlet through all the weird things that have taken place, I’m glad people like you have shown up to show encouragement I need people like you around it’s tough in the woods, thank you!

          • Ed(the other Ed)

            Just read what you said a second time Joel….that was beautiful!

          • Joel

            I am humbled, thank you.

            Well, as our Lord said, the second greatest commandment is to “love your neighbor as yourself.” So whatever encouragement I may dispense is because I too need encouragement! So I try to ‘love my neighbor as myself’ and encourage others.

        • the second commandment is hhaaarrrrrddd

          • Joel

            I hear you D34D. Because of our sinful nature, our inclination to think of “self” first, ‘loving our neighbor’ can indeed be a problem. But with Jehovah’s help we can become “people persons.” I’m still working on it myself!

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Matthew 22:39.

            The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’

            But who really is my neighbor?????.

            Luke 10:37
            He said: “The one who acted mercifully toward him.”+ Jesus then said to him: “Go and do the same yourself.

            • Joel

              Excellent question . . . ummm, I’m going to think about this one . . .

            • Beverly kenyon

              Don’t know why Bklyn Kevin but I can’t stop reading those scriptures you’ve posted regarding loving my neighbour…it’s so impactful…because like DA said in his post that second commandment is hard but those scriptures in your post helps to realign my thinking! Thank You for being our favourite Scriptanator….it’s because of you I have my Bible Hub app installed on my phone and it’s great!

          • Volcanic

            aaah, but you love us, DA, & here on this island we are neighbours to USA (not too far swimming but you would need to bring a packed lunch & watch out for sharks)

        • sally

          I love the commentary to! But it takes me about an hour just to read it and that is a conservative estimate! I have to read each paragraph about 10 times to understand it, (no point going onto next one unless penny has dropped on current one is it) then if Bklyn Kevin chucks links in the comments section…before I know it its like HOURS!! My bible study sister thinks I need to spend more time preparing for meetings and study sessions lol!

          • Joel

            Ha ha! You Bible study conductor doesn’t know that most of your study time is spent “really studying” here, with us, your E-Watchman family! Ha ha! If only she knew! Lol!

          • Joe Dman

            I feel your pain Sally. I have a difficult time comprehending what i read the first time. Or even the second or third. Then if there’s distractions like grandkids over, I may as well wait. Then when I’m commenting or responding to emails, i have to read and re-read before i post, And more oft than not, i won’t post because it just don’t sound right.
            I started to prepare for the meeting last night and just felt too burnt out. There’s a lot to keep up with. I recently started watching the wt dramas. A comment was made by a family member that suggested i was totally opposed to anything from the wt. So now i need to cultivate some respect for the wt and the good material they do have. Apparently I’ve been so focused on exposing what they have wrong that I’ve given a bad impression. It is still God’s earthly organization and from what i understand, we haven’t been given permission to leave yet. I got off point but I’ll go ahead and post before i edit it with the delete button.

            • I always enjoy your comments, Joe

            • sally

              Haha Joe I always find your posts very interesting and informative and I am sure everyone else does to! so just remember that when you are pulling your hair out preparing your post with so much care and thought! It is very hard not to feel negative. I had a bible study yesterday and meeting today, both were hard and I resent the fact that I come out of these things feeling angry/down/frustrated/depresssed. As I know that is not what I should be feeling. But then I remember here. All the people here who are going through the exact same turmoils or even worse. And the fact there is somewhere to come to access great information and stabilise my mind again. So, for now that is how I am playing it, keep going, keep learning what I need to, and just put up with the rest of it and just be grateful for you all. I am not even sure if I would have not fallen away from being a bible student by now even though I was certain of Jehovah being my God. That is totally mad to even think about now but true. Some of the drama’s are really good! and your right there are loads of positives but sometimes its hard to see. Chin up Joe we are carrying our torture stakes alright but at least we have the real truth in return for that.

      • Ed(the other Ed)

        Volcanic, if your not sure how to respond to this just give me a thumbs up, that’s what I’m waiting for(smile)

      • Volcanic

        aaaw, you’re a sweetie, not a dirt bag, other Ed (trying to find a suitably chaste sisterly looking kiss emoticon here – you’ll need to be patient, hah! )

      • Elvis Presley

        Hello everyone; What amazes me is the joy some of the brothers seem to get by putting others down. A couple of examples: one day me and my son went out in the ministry alone. A young elder asked me how our day went. I said extremely well. He wanted to know the details and I related how we had placed 28 sets of mags.in a long day, I can’t remember his comment other than that it was extremely negative. Another time I went out in service by myself again I was criticised for being greedy because I was not sharing the people with my brothers, and it only got worst as time went on. I don’t want to be negative but I think at least half our brothers are NUTS!!!

        • Beverly kenyon

          Lol. What you describe reminds me of this scripture Matt24:12. Competitive and a cold spirit…that sort of attitude can plunge a person into despair.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            And isn’t that what happened in Noah’s day, I mean did not the love of the greater number cool off prior to the great flood? because every inclination of mans thoughts was only bad all the time?.

            Genesis 6:
            5 Consequently, Jehovah saw that man’s wickedness was great on the earth and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time.
            6 Jehovah regretted that he had made men on the earth, and his heart was saddened.
            7 So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the surface of the ground, man together with domestic animals, creeping animals, and flying creatures of the heavens, for I regret that I have made them.
            Read more>
            https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/genesis/6/#v1006007

            Matthew 24:37
            For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
            38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
            39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
            21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again
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            https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/matthew/24/#v40024037-v40024039

            • Beverly kenyon

              Bkly Kevin, that is so true that comparison. Because the thoughts of man back then was only bad bad ALL the time…no room for love therefore you’re quite right when you say the love of the greater number cooled off…leading to only eight souls being saved out of a world! But what I find alarming is that the scripture is referring to God’s people as well and after reading what Elvis Presley wrote about the negative attitude he received from the young Elder and was it someone else as well…not sure…that’s a hateful way to react to a Brother who has done so well on the Ministry…I mean 25 magazines, that’s brilliant work, along with his son, they did fantastically well and that young Elder should’ve been really pleased for them…I just don’t get that horrible mentality. Thanks Bklyn Kevin for taking time out sending that post. Gotta check out those links you sent to Sally yesterday!

        • So you got ” all shuck up”?? that’s when you sing to them ” you an’t nothing but a hound dog ”
          Sorry could not resist!

    • sally

      Does this mean for everyone? or is this for people that survive through tribulation. What I mean is what about the resurrected in the new world?

      • Bklyn Kevin

        I Will Pour Out My Spirit on Every Sort of Flesh.
        Excerpt:
        What is not understood or even understandable presently, is that there is to be a second Pentecost —an ultimate outpouring of God’s indomitable holy spirit. That is not to imply that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have the spirit in some measure or that some persons have not been anointed with holy spirit. Did not the seventy have God’s spirit upon them to cast out demons and cure the sick? Of course they did. But they did not have the full measure of it, which did not become available to them until after Jesus returned to the Father, as the context of the text today relates.

        In the aftermath of that unprecedented calamity and call to repentance, Joel 2:28-31 states: “After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, and your young men will see visions. And even on my male slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days. And I will give wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah.”

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        Joel 2:
        28 After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions.
        29 And even on my male slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days.

        Both the anointed (sons and daughters) and non-anointed (menservants and maidservants) will receive the full measure of God’s holy spirit

        Excerpt from The Day of Jehovah Is Near!.

        After the fiery purge the faithful will experience a dousing by the Holy Spirit not experienced since the original outpouring of spirit on the day of Pentecost. The 2nd chapter of Joel foretells that
        both the anointed (sons and daughters) and non-anointed (menservants and maidservants) will receive the full measure of God’s holy spirit
        in order to accomplish the final phase of God’s work in the post- Watchtower period of the tribulation. Joel 2:28-29 foretells: “And after that it must occur that I shall pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will certainly prophesy. As for your old men, dreams they will dream. As for your young men, visions they will see. And even on the menservants and on the maidservants in those days I shall pour out my spirit.”

        However, unlike the day of Pentecost when holy spirit begot the first sons of the kingdom, the outpouring of the holy spirit upon the sons and daughters during the day of Jehovah does not anoint them. That is because they will have already been anointed. The ultimate fulfillment of the prophecy has to do with the body of Christ becoming fully accepted into the kingdom, so that at that point, during the world’s darkest period, the chosen ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their heavenly Father. That event will mark the long- anticipated revealing of the sons of God.

        The prophesying inspired by that outpouring of spirit will no doubt have to do with heralding the authentic establishment of the kingdom – not in the manner that Jehovah’s Witnesses presently preach, but with spirit and power.

        The “visions they will see” will be the first-ever accurate understanding of the prophetic visions recorded in the Bible. But instead of offering the hope of salvation to the nations, Jehovah’s true witnesses will then “shout a war cry” – announcing to the nations that they must meet Jehovah “in the low plain of the decision, for the day of Jehovah is near in the low plain of the decision.” – Joel. Read more https://e-watchman.com/day-jeh

        • sally

          Thank you for these scriptures and the explanations. So I am understanding that Jehovah’s holy spirit will be poured out on everyone before Armageddon and a clear understanding will mean that those to survive it will have a clear understanding for the first time ever, of exactly what is to come and what to do? Sorry for more questions but I just want to get this right in my head. Presumably if this is right, then this does not in anyway pertain to resurrected ones later on.

  • Elvis Presley

    I’m sure everyone heard the rumor that I had died, I’m here to tell everyone here that I,m very much alive and well. I must admit life has been a bit of a bore lately so about thirty years ago I started attending meetings at the K.H. with my now deceased wife who I miss a whole bunch. she got baptized in 1983. I’ve been going to the K.H. ever since, however I was not baptized until 2010. I had a few nasty problems with a couple of the elders so I got on the web and was nearly stumbled until I happened upon the “Watchman’s Post”It’s not cool to admit it but I think Robert helped me get my sanity back. THANK YOU ROBERT KING!!! I must admit I’ve been following whats going on here more closely than whats been going on at my local K.H. However lately I’ve noticed there really is nothing going on at the kingdom hall of a spiritual nature. So I guess you could say my feet are firmly planted right here at the watchman’s post. Now to the point; I’ve been studying alternative cancer therapies for about forty years. I’ve come up with some pretty cool stuff. I know there is a sister on this site who might want to talk to me, if that’s true and you do, I talk free and my therapy is pretty cutting edge. That’s it!! Robert, please keep writing and I’ll keep reading. My brain needs this, I agree the end is near!! Everyone just has to stay cool in the meantime.
    Brotherly love, Elvis

    • Daisy

      ELVIS! Welcome!!! Wow! The Wonder Of You!
      Daisy is All Shook Up. Its Now Or Never. I realise i must research & take responsibility for myself as we don’t want any Crying In The Chapel.
      Not having a Wooden Heart nor Suspicious Mind nor being a Hardheaded Woman I’m directing you to search out Joe Dman, a Big Hunk of (brotherly) Love & the keeper of e:mail addresses, he will help with contacting me.
      Like you Elvis since finding RK, I Just Can’t Help Believing.
      Hug from old Daisy…

      • Volcanic

        wow, Daisy, get offa my blue suede shoes! What a great post, you have been taking lessons from Burt! xxxxx

        • Daisy

          Only telepathically Vee…

      • Elvis Presley

        I don’t know Joe, but I do understand that time is of the essence. Contact me at lindgrenfarms@yahoo.com. Best to get going with this right away. Don’t worry about the money.
        Your spiritual brother, Elvis!!!

        • Daisy

          I’ve e:mailed you Elvis!

          To everybody wanting e:mail addresses…Joe Dman has posted tonight. Thank you Joe. Thanks Elvis!

          Appreciate all of you here for your loving support & patience…sorry to be a pain. Daisy

      • Let me clear my throat, “Young Daisy “

    • Volcanic

      in Tenerife we know you are not dead, in fact you are booked in for a gig on Friday in Los Cristianos………..we’re not fooled so easily!!!
      Funny, all of us stumbled & fell into this safety net, Jehovah definitely has an angel on duty to catch us all 🙂
      Welcome & you can also talk through Daisy to me, she knows why

    • “Elvis has entered the building”_/_/ __
      Welcome buddy!!

  • Beverly kenyon

    Your story regarding your grandaughter Joyce, is so joyous and optimistic! Absolutely loved reading it and the outcome…it gives me hope regarding my own family situation. So happy for you and your family.

    • Joyce Haze

      Thank you Beverly for your sweet comment. Some how I missed it. Beverly, always have hope and JEHOVAH helps in a big way. My family has struggled for a good while, never doubting but procrastination. We can’t allow ourselves to get so busy with everyday life and miss Jehovah’s love ang great blessings. I have to give huge praise to Him for his love and patience.

      • Beverly kenyon

        That’s ok Joyce. Because I’m technology illiterate, lol, my post wasn’t sent directly to you. So true when you say about praising Jehovah for his love and patience. Btw, loved how how you took the time to reply to everyone’s post….that was thoughtful and courteous….love people who have good manners….something nowadays that most people don’t do!

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