The Revelation of Christ and the Two Witnesses
Monday, May 2, 2011 at 9:45AM Print Article 
Republished from 2006The return of Jesus Christ will be the most profound occurrence of all time. Christ’s revelation will set into motion a chain if events that will forever change the affairs of men on earth. But what exactly is the revelation of Christ?
As the word implies, the revelation has to do with the revealing or unveiling of Jesus. To unveil means to make manifest something or someone that was previously hidden or kept secret. So, the unveiling of Christ is when he reveals himself to his chosen ones. Afterwards they will then not only become eyewitnesses of his manifestation, but also sharers in his glory; even as the apostle John assured us at 1 John 3:2, where he wrote: “Beloved ones, now we are children of God, but as yet it has not been made manifest what we shall be. We do know that whenever he is made manifest we shall be like him, because we shall see him just as he is.”
The parousia, the manifestation of Christ and the revelation of Jesus are essentially all the same thing. The apostle Paul used such terms interchangeably. For example, at 1 Thessalonians 3:12-13 Paul indicated that the parousia is the end of our faith; a time when anointed Christians will be made to stand before the judgment seat: “Moreover, may the Lord cause you to increase, yes, make you abound, in love to one another and to all, even as we also do to you; to the end that he may make your hearts firm, unblamable in holiness before our God and Father at the presence of our Lord Jesus with all his holy ones.”
At 1st Corinthians 1:7-9 Paul makes a similar statement as regards the end of our faith and our being found guiltless before God, only instead of saying this will occur “at the presence of our Lord,” Paul wrote of “the revelation of our Lord,” saying: “…while you are eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ. He will also make you firm to the end, that you may be open to no accusation in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, by whom you were called into a sharing with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.”
At 1 Timothy 6:13-14, Paul again refers to Christians standing before God in blamelessness, only he connects it to an event called “the manifestation of our Lord.” Paul wrote: “…In the sight of God, who preserves all things alive, and of Christ Jesus, who as a witness made the fine public declaration before Pontius Pilate, I give you orders that you observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
That the Christ will be revealed or manifested before the eyes of the surviving chosen ones on earth prior to their resurrection is implicitly stated in the apostolic writings. 1 Peter 1:7-9 reads: “…in order that the tested quality of your faith, of much greater value than gold that perishes despite its being proved by fire, may be found a cause for praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. Though you never saw him, you love him. Though you are not looking upon him at present, yet you exercise faith in him and are greatly rejoicing with an unspeakable and glorified joy, as you receive the end of your faith, the salvation of your souls.”
The expression “though you are not looking upon him at present” surely implies that during the revelation of Christ anointed Christians will look upon him in some fashion. The question though, is, will Christians be made to look upon him merely by being transferred to heaven or will Christ reveal himself to the chosen ones while they are still in the flesh?
Continuing in his letter to Timothy, (quoted above) Paul wrote: “This manifestation the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times, he the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see.” 1 Timothy 6:15-16
Paul indicates that Jesus “will show” himself by means of what is called “the manifestation.” Synonyms for “manifestation” are an appearance, display, a revelation, materialization and phenomenon. These various terms indicate that the manifestation of Jesus Christ will take place in the earthly realm and not in heaven for the obvious reason that Jesus’ glory is already manifest to the angels in the spirit dimension. Besides, why would Christ need to reveal himself to resurrected immortal spirits in heaven? A visible manifestation of Christ only makes sense in relation to flesh upon the earth.
Although, as the scripture says, Jesus “dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see,” we should not suppose that the revelation of Christ precludes the chosen ones from seeing his manifestation. After all, Paul saw a glimpse of Jesus’ post-ascension blinding glory, which he later explained was due to his being born prematurely; meaning that Paul saw a preview of Jesus as he will manifest himself at the appointed time.
The revelation of Jesus to his chosen ones will serve a vital legal purpose by providing actual eyewitnesses to Jesus’ presence. As it stands presently, though, few of Jehovah’s Witnesses seem to realize that the Watchtower’s 1914 invisible parousia teaching violates one of Jehovah’s most basic legal precepts; that being, the foundational principle that no legal matter can be established except upon the testimony of two or three witnesses. That injunction was part of the Mosaic Law. It was also incorporated into the law of Christ. That being the case, the enigmatic “two witnesses” of Revelation are likely intended to fulfill the scriptural requirement of two witnesses during the manifestation of Jesus.
Jehovah followed his own established principles in providing multiple eyewitnesses to the resurrection and ascension of Christ. And prior to that, Peter, James and John were also eyewitnesses to the glorious transfiguration of Christ, which, as the apostle Peter later explained, was a foregleam of “the power and presence (parousia) of the Lord Jesus Christ.”
But if Christ’s parousia began in 1914, who among Jehovah’s Witnesses has personally witnessed his promised presence? Have there been any eyewitnesses? The answer is no – not a single solitary soul has personally witnessed the presence of Christ!
THE SACRED SECRET BROUGHT TO A FINISH
In the Revelation the apostle John was transported by inspiration to the Lord’s day not only to witness but also to directly participate in a dramatic prophetic vision with Christ, similar to his transfiguration experience. In the 10th chapter of Revelation, John witnessed a powerful angel coming down from heaven and standing astride the earth and the sea. The angel that John envisioned can be none other than the glorified Lord Jesus Christ; as he comes down from heaven to lay claim to his inheritance – the earth – in order to make it subject to himself in accord with the mandate given him by Jehovah, as Paul explained in the 2nd chapter of his letter to the Hebrews. That the angel is Christ is evident from the symbolism employed. For instance, Revelation 10:1-3 states:
“And I saw another strong angel descending from heaven, arrayed with a cloud, and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as the sun, and his feet were as fiery pillars, and he had in his hand a little scroll opened. And he set his right foot upon the sea, but his left one upon the earth, and he cried out with a loud voice just as when a lion roars. And when he cried out, the seven thunders uttered their own voices.”
The prophecy of Daniel referred to Jesus as the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven. Jesus personally applied that prophecy to himself when on trial before the Sanhedrin. And upon his ascension back to heaven Jesus was taken up into the clouds. It is appropriate, then, that Bible symbolism should depict the returning Christ cloaked with the clouds of heaven. (The attending angels at the ascension informed Christ’s awestruck disciples that Jesus would return in the “same manner” as they had beheld him going into the sky. Only Jesus’ loyal disciples witnessed his ascension. Jesus’ returning in the “same manner” would seem to indicate that only his anointed disciples will see him after his descent from heaven.)
Furthermore, in the vision of Revelation John reports that “his face was as the sun.” No doubt the apostles immediately recognized the descending angel to be Christ Jesus, since in the transfiguration vision that John had witnessed some 60 years earlier Jesus’ face also shone like the sun. And the fact that the angel “cried out with a loud voice just as when a lion roars” ought to call to mind that Jesus is called “the lion of the tribe of Judah.”
With his feet firmly planted on the sea and earth the angel then “raised his right hand to heaven, and by the One who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it and the earth and the things in it and the sea and the things in it, he swore: ‘There will be no delay any longer; but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.’”
“The sacred secret of God” pertains to the so-called seed of the woman, which is Christ in company with Jehovah’s hand-picked 144,000. Naturally, “the mystery of God,” as some translations have worded it, will not be finished until all the chosen ones have been approved and sealed and Christ manifests himself to them – as is portrayed by the interaction of John with the descending angel in the Revelation vision. That John participated in the vision as an awestruck observer of Christ’s descent to earth and that Jesus spoke to him and handed him the little scroll, thereby re-commissioning him to “prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings,” portends the manifestation of Christ to the remaining anointed ones on earth and their final assignment to give witness to Jesus’ presence in glory.
Of course, the aged apostle was not personally re-commissioned by Christ to go on some sort of missionary tour of the Mediterranean region. John was a very old man and a prisoner on the remote island of Patmos at the time. His earthly ministry was nearly over. The apostle merely represented in the vision those anointed servants of God who will be on earth when Christ actually comes down to finish the mystery of God. The fact that John was commissioned to “prophesy again” immediately after the strong angel had declared the sacred secret of God to have been accomplished is significant. It indicates that there will be a final witness given to the world after the calling and choosing of the sons of the kingdom has come to a finish.
(It should be noted that the Watchtower’s “John class” tag is a legitimate concept. As the last surviving apostle John typifies the surviving sons of the kingdom who will be on earth after the first resurrection begins. Unfortunately, the Watchtower has prematurely applied the “John class” designation to the 1914-generation of anointed.)
In harmony with the fact that the two witnesses come on the scene after the sealing has been accomplished, the 11th chapter of Revelation concludes with a vision of the curtain in God’s heavenly sanctuary being drawn back to reveal the ark of the covenant. Of course, it is not the literal Ark of the Covenant that used to sit in the Most Holy compartment of the tabernacle and temple, and which housed the actual stone tablets of the Law covenant. That ark disappeared after the Babylonians sacked Jehovah’s temple long before the Common Era began. No, the Ark of the Covenant in Revelation must symbolize an ark of the new covenant, which is between Jehovah and those whom he adopts as spirit sons. The significance of John seeing the ark in its proper place in heaven’s sanctuary would seem to confirm what John had previously been told regarding the sacred secret of God coming to a finish. With the resurrection of God’s two witnesses to heaven the new covenant will have accomplished its primary purpose. It means that the kingdom is complete and the covenant comes to a successful conclusion. (For further discussion of the two witnesses see the chapter on Revelation in the book Jehovah Himself Has Become King.)
“AND I WILL CAUSE MY TWO WITNESSES TO PROPHECY”
The two witnesses are also commissioned to prophesy, as was John, indicating that the John class is the same as the two witnesses. The designation of “two witnesses” signifies that they will have visibly witnessed the very presence of Christ, just as Peter, James and John visibly witnessed the transfiguration and John also witnessed Christ in the vision of Revelation.
The two witnesses of Revelation are symbolized by Moses and Elijah, not only because Moses and Elijah both appeared in the transfiguration vision, but because Moses and Elijah had personal encounters with Jehovah when they were alive. Significantly, both Moses and Elijah were forced to flee into the wilderness and it was in the wilderness that Jehovah spoke to them. Moses spoke to Jehovah at the burning bush and also talked to Jehovah face-to-face upon Mount Sinai. (In reality it was the manifestation of an angel)
Elijah lived in the wilderness for the duration of a three and one half year drought that came about at his order, during which time Jehovah miraculously fed the prophet by means of ravens that brought meat and bread twice a day. This puts us in mind of the description of the two witnesses, who prophesy for 42 months and have authority to shut up the heavens so that it should not rain during the period of their prophesying. Later Elijah encountered Jehovah’s awe-inspiring manifestation when he was holed up in a cave in the wilderness.
Moses and Elijah have another experience in common: They were both taken by Jehovah. Moses was ordered by God to ascend Mount Nebo in order to view the Promised Land. But he would not descend. Moses was to die for acting “undutifully” towards God on one occasion. The account says that even though he was 120 years old at the time Moses’ strength had not diminished and his eyesight had not grown dim. In other words, he did not die of old age. God simply took him and neither his body nor his grave was ever found.
Elijah was also symbolically taken when Jehovah’s fiery war chariot swooped down from the sky and whisked the prophet heavenward. The departure of Moses and Elijah stands as two prophetic dramas – enactments of future events.
After their mysterious departures, it is as though Moses and Elijah showed up together centuries later in the transfiguration. Their symbolic departures earlier and their sudden re-appearance in the transfiguration of Christ, and afterwards their depiction as the two witnesses in Revelation, is intended to convey how Jehovah will take the remaining holy ones off the earth after they finish their witnessing and are subsequently killed by the resurrected wild beast.
“THE REVEALING OF THE SONS OF GOD”
According to the writings of Paul the revelation of Christ is accompanied by another phenomenon – the revelation of the sons of God. Paul worded it this way at Romans 8:18-19: “Consequently I reckon that the sufferings of the present season do not amount to anything in comparison with the glory that is going to be revealed in us. For the eager expectation of the creation is waiting for the revealing of the sons of God.”
For a certainty, Jesus and his fellow sons of God making up the new creation will be the most glorious beings in the entire universe. The question is, though, does the “revealing of the sons of God” take place from heaven after all the chosen ones have been raised to Christ’s side, or “is the glory that is going to be revealed in us” an earthly manifestation that occurs prior to the departure of “the remaining ones”? The historical account of Moses’ own glorification and his portentous place in the transfiguration and Revelation indicates that the sons of God are destined to be glorified before they are harvested from the earth.
The concluding portion of the 34th chapter of Exodus reads: “Now it came about when Moses came down from Mount Sinai that the two tablets of the Testimony were in the hand of Moses when he came down from the mountain, and Moses did not know that the skin of his face emitted rays because of his having spoken with him. When Aaron and all the sons of Israel got to see Moses, why, look! the skin of his face emitted rays and they grew afraid of coming near to him. And Moses proceeded to call them. So Aaron and all the chieftains among the assembly came back to him, and Moses began to speak to them. First after that all the sons of Israel came near to him, and he began commanding them all that Jehovah had spoken with him on Mount Sinai. When Moses would finish speaking with them, he would put a veil over his face. But when Moses would go in before Jehovah to speak with him, he would take away the veil until his going out. And he went out and spoke to the sons of Israel what he would be commanded. And the sons of Israel saw Moses’ face, that the skin of Moses’ face emitted rays; and Moses put the veil back over his face until he went in to speak with him.”
The significance of Moses’ transfiguration is explained by Paul in his second letter to the Corinthians, where he said that the glory that is to be conferred upon those in the new covenant surpasses the glory that Moses possessed as the mediator of the old covenant. Paul wrote:
“Moreover, if the code which administers death and which was engraved in letters in stones came about in a glory, so that the sons of Israel could not gaze intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, a glory that was to be done away with, why should not the administering of the spirit be much more with glory? For if the code administering condemnation was glorious, much more does the administering of righteousness abound with glory. In fact, even that which has once been made glorious has been stripped of glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels it. For if that which was to be done away with was brought in with glory, much more would that which remains be with glory. Therefore, as we have such a hope, we are using great freeness of speech, and not doing as when Moses would put a veil upon his face, that the sons of Israel might not gaze intently at the end of that which was to be done away with.” – 2 Corinthians 3:7-13
Paul went on to explain that anointed Christians reflect Jehovah’s glory in their own faces and that the unbelievers are perishing as a result of the god of this system of things having placed a veil over their powers of perception – spiritually blinding them to the glorious good news. Of course, Paul was not saying that Christians literally emitted rays from their faces, as did Moses. Paul was speaking very generally. But considering that the judgment had not begun in the first century, and it has always been Jehovah’s purpose to resurrect both the righteous and the unrighteous, why did Paul say that those who had been blinded by the Devil were “perishing”? After all, the apostles perished too. And no doubt those who were blinded by the Devil so as to not comprehend the message of the first century Christians will receive an earthly resurrection.
Apparently Paul’s words are intended to apply to the actual judgment period during the time of the end. That is when God’s judgment is executed against those who prefer the darkness of the Devil’s world to the glorious illumination of Christ.
Christ himself foretold that during the conclusion of the system of things the angels will permanently remove from Jehovah’s kingdom all those weed-like persons who are doing lawlessness and heave them into the fiery furnace – causing them to perish. It is at that time when the sons of God “will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.”
The sons of God shining like the sun in the kingdom of Jehovah means that they will have been fully accepted into the then-established kingdom; and not only that, but they will have conferred upon them the very glory of Christ – a glory that they will then reflect to illuminate others – those who have not allowed themselves to have become blinded by Satan. In a miraculous manifestation reminiscent of Moses, the anointed will then be transfigured so as to radiate Jehovah’s glory in their own faces and in that way the sons of God will be revealed before creation as an earthly reflection of the glorious revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Reader Comments (22)
Oh Boy – Another late night question??
Will there be any benefit to those who are not anointed;;;; I think I under stand that the Two Witnesses prophecy to those who have tasted of the heavenly free gift (Wheat & Weeds)
But will the witness work these Elijah/Moses group have any benefit to none anointed??
If we take Malachi 4:5 into consideration it seams to me there is a one last ditch effort on Jehovah’s part to clear up a way before he starts the slaughter… if the Elijah of this verse is the same Elijah being part of the two witnesses in Revelation..
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Moses body or the grave has not been found, yet the word of God plainly says that God buried him.
Do not add your opinion and thoughts to the words of the bible.
Like i said that you are a man after my heart and the heart of God for exposing the lies,
however, im not saying that you are a lier yourself, but a man who is not a prophet but simply who studies the law of God day and night .
Yet studying the law of God day a night does not mean you can ever come to perfectly know the Law of God,
because those revealed belong to us but those concealed belongs to God and there are things yet concealed and not revealed, and only God chooses the time to reveal them to whom he chooses to reveal them.
Keep exposing the lies, but do not expose something as a lie that you are not sure of just yet.
Let go of the pride in your heart, for God and I know that you still have pride in your heart feeling superior to others who know less than you.
It is not about who knows better, but about who loves much.
Be blessed in the name of Yah and His Son.
Arman
First, I am not interested in being a man after your heart. Secondly, I did not say God did not bury Moses, as you suppose. You might want to re-read the article.
If you only knew who i was you would be more than interested...
You did not say God did not bury Moses, and i never said that you did, but you did say God took Moses to him, yet you do not have proof of that.
You said...
'' Moses and Elijah have another experience in common: They were both taken by Jehovah. Moses was ordered by God to ascend Mount Nebo in order to view the Promised Land. But he would not descend. Moses was to die for acting “undutifully” towards God on one occasion. The account says that even though he was 120 years old at the time Moses’ strength had not diminished and his eyesight had not grown dim. In other words, he did not die of old age. God simply took him and neither his body nor his grave was ever found. ''
''GOD SIMPLY TOOK HIM'' provide proof of this please...
More over you shall read Deuteronomy 32:48-50 ...
''And Jehovah proceeded to speak to Moses on this same day, saying : 49. '' Go up into this mountain of Abarim , Mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, which fronts toward Jericho, and see the land of Canaan, which i am giving to the sons of Israel as possession. 50. Then DIE on the mountain into which you are going up, and be gathered to your people, just as Aaron your brother died on Mount Hor and got to be gathered to his people.
''GOD SIMPLY TOOK HIM'' provide proof of this please...
And you have confirmed your arrogance and pride that i was speaking to you about , by saying that you are not interested in being a man after my heart, first because you do not even know who it is that you are speaking to, second , you shall be glad someone has compassion on you, instead of paying back discouraging words towards someones compassion and love for you.
I have come to love you still even after all these because you do have a strong zeal in exposing the lies of the serpent, nevertheless,
He has this against you,
that you must teach with love ,
instead of feeling superior to others because of your knowledge,
for like i said ,
it is not who knows better but who loves more.
And notice that you have not even blessed any one who has commented on your articles, so far that i have read.
nevertheless, Blessed be the name YAH and the name of His Son, and may you be blessed for your efforts in the name of the SON.
I think it is a case of your simply not knowing the Scriptures. If you want to be a corrector of others you must first correct yourself. Dueteronomy 34:5-6 says that Moses died at the order of Jehovah and that he (God) buried him and no one ever found his grave.
You say that i do not know scriptures , yet you do not know that they are written in my heart.
You say that GOD buried him and no one ever found his grave , and by this you conclude that if GOD buried him means HE must have taken him ...
Your logic is not on solid food yet but is on milk...
How is it that the scripture says GOD BURIED him , yet you say GOD TOOK him?
No one has ever found the grave because NO ONE BURIED him but GOD .
If GOD took him, he would plainly tell Moses to go up the mountain , see the land, after which I AM GOING TO TAKE YOU, and it would be written just like it was written about ELIJAH that GOD TOOK him.
But GOD plainly said that he will be BURIED, .. Being BURIED does not mean ASCENDING to heaven, but means BURIED in the ground of the EARTH.
Again i tell you, do not form your own opinion without knowing what REALLY happened, since not even GOD said that he is GOING TO TAKE HIM, nor have you been there and seen it with your eyes.
Why would GOD lie to Moses and say that he is going to be BURIED yet take him to HEAVEN?
And it was not GOD's fault that no one has ever found the grave of Moses, maybe they have not looked for his grave at the right places, or did not look for it enough. So how do you conclude that because they have not found the grave means GOD TOOK HIM?
Also not all died in the good old age, and it does not mean that GOD took them all.
You see? it is not I but you who not that you do not know scriptures, but you do not interpret many of them correctly.
Also , again you confirmed your arrogance and pride by not blessing me for trying to be your brother, or for trying to teach you with love, and by not correcting me by love because you thought i was wrong. Instead you criticized me about not knowing the scriptures without knowing who it is that you are speaking to .
The LORD corrects those whom HE loves.
But not all appreciate the Love of GOD.
Also,
It is by their fruit you shall recognize them,
yet the fruits you show are not in accord with the fruits of the spirit.
Any time you do not know an answer, i have noticed that you criticize those who ask you a question , or answer them with pride rather than with love, by boasting in yourself rather than in God. If you boast in the LORD than all men in Christ become your brothers in the Lord and you show humbleness, but today you have showed me a proud heart, by saying i do not know scriptures, which is the same as saying that you know them better than me. That is pride , not love.
Whatever you do to any of these , you do them for the Lord.
So be careful at the way you treat people, for not many will say Lord Lord and enter the Kingdom Of Love.
You don't make any sense. God ordered Moses to be put to death. That is what I meant by God took him. God took his life. I did not say God took him to heaven. You simply have jumped to that conclusion and have wasted a lot of bandwidth with this nonsense. Apparently you are eager to find something to criticize so that you can pretend to correct what you wrongly imagine to be an error so you can condemn someone for not taking your nonsensical correction. I refuse to waste any more time with this. It is degrading.
I am not looking to condemn but to correct...
At the right time you will understand everything, when u see the one you are speaking to ...
And since you have refused to waste time on correcting a brother when thinking he is wrong, then i will stop...
Yet one last thing i shall tell you, the two witnesses are not the ones you think they are...
And like i said, when you see the one , then you will understand.
God bless.
What you ought to know is, I can see you phony, crack-pot messiahs coming from a mile away. Get lost!
They did not even accept the true Messiah, and i am not surprised that they wont accept even the one coming in the name of the Messiah.
They persecuted Him, so shall they persecute those who follow Him.
However , even if i was a false messenger , or a brother who does not know enough knowledge, you ought to correct your brother with love.
And like i said, you proved today your pride and boasting in yourself even with disrespecting words towards those who try to learn and come to God.
No wonder why you are disqualified , for because like i said that you do not have the fruits of the spirit.
There is no compassion, no love, no humility, no humbleness in you, and yes i will condemn you now for the words that you said to me, for that is what i see, and as i see and hear, i judge..
But i am not the judge of your life, He will do what He will do.
I do not judge the sinners, but the sins ..
And as for (get lost) part... i shall get lost, yet do not forget this words..
It is written,
You will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"
also,
What you do for the one of the sons of God you do them for GOD.
Therefore, you have received your reward..
And you will hear of me, after the disgusting thing which takes over the house of God.
Oooooh boy!
Psalms 49:13-14
Proverbs 4:23
Proverbs 14:12
Proverbs 14:29
Arman aeon:
Please tell us what happened to Enoch & Elijah then.....we know that these 'men of God' , doing the will of their Father, God's Prophets, will be resurrected to Heaven, according to Hebrews 11, they were
awaiting a city, the promise etc and it is God's business how he 'takes them from earth'..scripture does not elaborate every detail, of how Moses was 'taken/buried' the whole point of his not 'continue into the Promised land,' was because his 'assignment' was fulfilled, & Joshua was 'chosen' to take over from Moses....btw Moses was not punished for his 'one mistake' by not giving the credit to God, when
he drew water from the rock, for the dehydrated Israelites: that's rediculous, for what kind of God are we describing here ? God has His reasons for 'taking His sons' and I often wonder why, myself
He allows suffering to the extent that He does, even allowing Satan to test His sons, to the death with torture, many times..We can only ask to understand the 'mind of Christ' in order to imitate Him, amen
Sorry I'm late on this one watchmen and to Elena maree I often do not get to your posts Robert til late. But any way here it is short and simple, more a rhetorical statement and interjection, but DIDN'T Micheal archangel have a dispute over Moses body with Satan the Devil ? This suggests to me that by Michael s retort to Satan that he is in fact in possession of his body.Now I may be imagining, or even reading into said versus with imagination, but here another question that may suit the imagination.What would Satan want with Moses bones or body ? Perhaps Aeon could share or maybe He's staring Moses in the mirror ! No I'm not easily fooled by the 'I Love You brother bit Aeon',Mystery Aeon then you condemn Robert 'shame on you', Jimmy Jones 'shame on you',More so, "May Jehovah rebuke you"does that apply? I think so because I SENSE Aeon, you feel Superior in self. And 'you must forgive seven times seven your brother who transgresses you' if your lacking in understanding to what that means, it's simple really, you must always search out your brother with kindness and love to forgive. So please would be Messiah Aeon step out of the darkness humble oneself cause it's sicking fake and Roberts right its degrading.
As always I'm inspired to read the bible Mr.King look for to more.
Also Aeon,
Here are some pertinent quotes for the suckling of milk,even to the young man of faith.If you are in per-suite of true godly devotion this is what is in need to be scribed upon your heart. After taking in the below quoted scripture feel free to examine Colossians chapter 2 and 1 Thessalonians 5:20 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
1Timothy 5:1 Do not severely criticize an older man. To the contrary, entreat him as a father, younger men as brothers, 2 older women as mothers, younger women as sisters with all chasteness.
1 Timothy 4:1-5,7,16 However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons, 2 by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; 3 forbidding to marry,a commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth. 4 The reason for this is that every creation of God is fine, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,5 for it is sanctified through God’s word and prayer over it.
7 But turn down the false stories which violate what is holy and which old women tell. On the other hand, be training yourself with godly devotion as your aim.
16 Pay constant attention to yourself and to your teaching. Stay by these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you.
1Timothy 6:1-8 1 Let as many as are slaves under a yoke keep on considering their owners worthy of full honor, that the name of God and the teaching may never be spoken of injuriously. 2 Moreover, let those having believing owners not look down on them, because they are brothers. On the contrary, let them the more readily be slaves, because those receiving the benefit of their good service are believers and beloved.
Keep on teaching these things and giving these exhortations. 3 If any man teaches other doctrine and does not assent to healthful words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, nor to the teaching that accords with godly devotion, 4 he is puffed up [with pride], not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words. From these things spring envy, strife, abusive speeches, wicked suspicions, 5 violent disputes about trifles on the part of men corrupted in mind and despoiled of the truth, thinking that godly devotion is a means of gain. 6 To be sure, it is a means of great gain, [this] godly devotion along with self-sufficiency. 7 For we have brought nothing into the world, and neither can we carry anything out. 8 So, having sustenance and covering, we shall be content with these things.
Finally, Ephesians 6:10-13 Finally, go on acquiring power in [the] Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. 11 Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; 12 because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. 13 On this account take up the complete suit of armor from God, that YOU may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after YOU have done all things thoroughly, to stand firm.
Now to get to whats peeling at my thoughts Aeon you quoted It is written,
You will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'" That is an idiomatic expression which means "welcome".
So, when Yeshua/Jesus said you will not see me (again) until you say, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord", this is actually "wedding talk" and a Hebraic way of saying, "Welcome!".
Yeshua/Jesus said that He will not return back to the earth at his second coming until He is welcomed as the bridegroom and His people are crying out for Him to return and be married to His people !!!
Baruch HaShem !!!!! means "Blessed be the name" HaShem means "the name". Ha in Hebrew means "The". Shem in Hebrew means "Name". HaShem is another name which
refers to God.
So please, I entreat you Aeon, to reconsider this line of thought cause the devil has blinded you thoroughly. This is exhortation not condemnation. Kay. So don't get your pants in a bunch just unclench and pull them out. Peace !
E-watchman is very sharp, in recognising someone calling attention to 'his special appointment from God",, we had one before saying he was 'Elijah' and I reminded him it was "Elijah class" or not at all,
because there is no separation of the "BODY", no extra limb so to speak...he who sets himself apart from Christ's 'Body" would be in danger of following 'himself'.....and we know of some who have
tried to gain a 'following' on e-watchmans "watch"....and we say to them,,,,please do us the favour of setting up your own website.....?
I am sorry for the delay in replying to your comments brothers and sisters. For i have been away from home .
Elena & MyGodisJehovah
About Enoch
Enoch = dedication.
"NO MAN has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven - Son of man... (Jn.3:13).
Jesus said that HE alone of all humans was the only one to ascend to heaven. Enoch, Moses and Elijah were not IN HEAVEN!
It is written, "Enoch walked with God: and HE WAS NOT: for God took
him." (Gen.5:24).
It does not say Enoch went to heaven. It says he was NOT FOUND, for God TOOK HIM. But this verse does not say WHERE God took him! To say God
took Enoch to heaven is not a biblical fact.
Concerning Heb.11:5 "By faith Enoch was TRANSLATED that he should not see DEATH: and was not FOUND,
because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God"
The Greek word for "translate" is METATITHEMI. = "to transfer to another place." This same Greek word is rendered "REMOVED" in Gal.1:6. In
ACT 7:16 it is rendered "CARRIED OVER" where we read that after Jacob DIED his body was "carried over" - removed, TRANSLATED -
to Sychem.
Does Heb.11:5 mean that Enoch NEVER experienced PHYSICAL death? Is Paul saying that Enoch did not die? NO!
For after Paul had spoken about a number of FAITHFUL people of
God (Enoch one of them), notice what he says in verse 13:
"These ALL DIED in faith - NOT HAVING RECEIVED the promises..." Later in this same chapter, after talking about yet more of the
faithful, Paul, as if to emphasize his point, again says, "And THESE ALL, having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED
NOT THE PROMISE" (verse 39). What promise? The "...hope of ETERNAL LIFE, which God, that cannot lie, PROMISED before the
world began" (Titus 1:2).
Enoch, Elijah and Moses, any prophet or any man did not yet received the promise of eternal life.. because ---> Heb. 11:40: "Because God had us in mind and had something better and greater in view for US, so that THEY should not come to PERFECTION apart from us, (that is, before we could join them)"
When will they and all join them (apostles)? AT THE RESURRECTION! 1 THES. 4:13-18, 1 COR. 15:49-54.
Paul says the faithful ALL died. Enoch, Elijah, Moses and Abraham , David and all worthy were of "all these" that died.
About Moses..
Moses = Drawn out
Moses did die and thats a fact for GOD burried him...Deut 34:5-7
Question: Did not both ELIJAH and MOSES appear with Christ on the mount of transfiguration? MAT. 17:1-9; MRK.9;2-1O; LK.9:28-36.
Answer: Leaving the mountain, Jesus told his disciples: "Tell the VISION to no man" (Mat. 17:9).
A VISION IS NOT A MATERIAL REALITY.
And besides Elijah was also John the baptist whose name means GOD IS GRACIOUS. How is this possible? Thats because John was not the real Elijah
but his works represented that of Elijah..Luke 1:17..
Also Jesus at Mt 17:10 says that ELIJAH indeed is COMING and also says that ELIJAH has already come (JOHN the baptist).. so i guess we have many ELIJAHS? NO! there was one man ELIJAH the prophet after who all coming Elijahs are representatives of his works not actual ELIJAH himself.
Same applies to MOSES AND ELIJAH appearing at transfiguration... Moses as the law giver and Elijah as the prophet from God who restores all things to God.
And again... "NO MAN has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven - Son of man... (Jn.3:13).
It was not Moses that was first from the dead, nor was it Elijah or Enoch that first received eternal life - IT WAS CHRIST JESUS!
"And He is the head of the body, the church: who is THE BEGINNING, the FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD..." (Col. 1:18).
Jesus was "the firstborn of every creature" (Col. 1:15).
the FIRST Human to be BORN into life eternal. Christ was the FIRST to be PERFECTED as an immortal being and so,
"...being MADE PERFECT, He became ETERNAL SALVATION unto all them that OBEY Him" (Heb. 5:9).
About Elijah
Elijah = El I Jah = My God is Jehovah..
what happened to Elijah? was he taking to heaven?
If Jesus said NO MAN had ascended to heaven except Himself,
then WHERE did Elijah go?
there are THREE heavens mentioned in the Bible.
The first heaven is the ATMOSPHERE. Birds fly "in the heaven"
The second heaven is the expanse of the universe - where the stars, planets are.
The third heaven is where the throne of God exists, where the heavenly temple is found and the heavenly Jerusalem. It is the heaven where Paul
and John were caught up to in vision (2 Cor.12:l-4; Rev.4:l-2).
He did not go to the THIRD heaven of the throne of God.
He did not remain in the air either.
The sons of the prophets who KNEW Elijah was to be removed DID NOT BELIEVE he was to DIE then or to go "to be with the
Lord." That's why they were fearful that the Spirit of God might have allowed him to drop " upon some mountain, or into some
valley " (verse 16). Upon their hard pressed persistence Elisha allowed 50 men to go out and try to FIND Elijah - "they sought
for three days, but found him not "(verse 17).
If Elijah was taken to heaven how would he write a letter to Jehoram about his wickedness which took place after Elijah was taken up?
(2 Chron 21:12)
The letter speaks of these things as PAST events, and the punishment to come upon him as yet FUTURE. So the idea of
some, that Elijah wrote the letter BEFORE he was removed by the whirlwind, is proved wrong..
Elijah was taken up by the whirlwind into the first heaven and transported to another location ON EARTH. God did not see
fit in His purpose to reveal his whereabouts.
Some copies of JOSEPHUS come right out and offer this explanation: "For he was yet upon earth" (ANTIQUITIES OF THE
JEWS, 9, 5:2).
The main proof that Elijah DIED is in the Bible itself. Paul, speaking about the people of FAITH says, "And what shall I
more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jeptha, of David also, and Samuel,
AND OF THE PROPHETS..." (Heb.11:32). Elijah was ONE of the PROPHETS!
Did Elijah receive the promise of ETERNAL LIFE when taken by the wind into the heaven? NO! "And these ALL (including the
prophets), having obtained a good report through FAITH (and faith is the confidence of things HOPED FOR, the evidence of things NOT
SEEN: Heb.11:1) RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE." (Heb.11:39). Why? "...that THEY without US should not be made perfect" (verse 40).
We shall all be made PERFECT together in the RESURRECTION!
The body of Moses and Archangel Michael..
Satan the devil wanted to misuse the body of the faithful man Moses in order to promote false worship..
Let the one who has discernment understand.
MY GOD IS JEHOVAH..
You tell me that i should forgive a brother 7 times, respect elders and that i feel superior in myself..
Take your own advise about forgiveness and also consider that i have forgave Roberts mean words towards me many times and still have not said anything mean back to him.. i have taught with love.. and used scriptures for back up.
Yet He called me phony and crack-pot messiah.. shouldnt you say the same words to him that you told me about teaching with love or feeling superior?
Doesnt he feel superior in calling me phony ?
Nor did i ever say im a messiah or a prophet , but instead i said that He does not know who i am.
Did i not still say i love him as a brother after which he called me these names? So who feels superior?
And no i do not see Moses in the mirror nor Elijah nor any other man but myself.. for none of men will be able to see none other than themselves in the mirror. I am neither Moses nor Elijah nor any one of the faithful fathers for they are all dead. Yet it is written in revelation about me .. I will tell you which chapter after you seek and try to find yourself and will not be able to ..
And the quote (blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD) was not from Luke, and about bridegroom, but Psalms 118:26.. It still applies to Jesus, yet it applies to everyone of his followers as well for they all come in the name of YAHWEH.
Peace to you brothers and sisters ..
Do not think i condemn any of you, but i am here to let know of your errors and senses that are not from the Spirit of Truth..like MYGODISJEHOVAH said "i SENSE Aeon ..."
Your senses mean nothing to the Lord nor to me, but what comes out of the mouth of God is what means everything.
Search the scriptures more and apply the principles of the fruits of the Spirit before condemning me and trying to make fun of me saying that i see Moses in the mirror.. Is that a good, loving, kind and forgiving statement to make as you advise me to ?
And ELENA , you say that Mr Robert has a special appointment from God.. Couldnt it be that i have it too? or indeed God is using many today?
So in calling me false because i claimed that i am, you call Mr Robert false as well for you claim that he has a special appointment from God as well..
May God Bless all of your efforts.
Amen.
Arman Aeon:
My reply to you is not to try to prove you wrong just to ask you to re read our comments above:::eg NO ONE said that Enoch or Elijah went to Heaven, when "God took them" and your explanation is correct except that in Hebrew chpt 11, you will read they along with all Prophets, Judges Prophet/Kings etc who were "chosen vessels" by GOD to be His 'witnesses' and are awaiting the "CITY" Heavenly Jerusalem, with a view to 'the Promise" and would be resurrected, but as Paul said, & you \quoted above, NOT BEFORE THEM and certainly not before JESUS CHRIST....Reading the entire chapter of Hebrews 11 is a must....the false teachings of the WTB&TS have been silent regarding these events, have they not ? & totally disregarded scripture that didnt fit in with their "IDOLs master writer of fantasy/Freddy Franz" Only Holy Spirit without ambition, pride & all the carnal attachments belonging to the self appt G.B.) could teach the "whole truth" as we see, in these final times we are living in now.
Like to refer you to anointed sister Pearl Doxsey, check out her 4womaninthewilderness blogspot, for her "special insight" on many subjects, including the Marriage Feast..
Aeon,
perhaps you should update your social networking sites that would fit it to this blamelessness your representing on this forum. Because it appears your double standing and most people will fall deep into what would appear as a well informed character posting claims of selection of special appointment from the most high himself,which I have to say the messiah is not standing here posting comments or his elect posting comments and saying 'it is I" so come on stop fooling gullible people for those deeply confused and those deeply hurt by the worlds and the spirits dealings. enough already your condemning yourself to type it bluntly as you have missed that point in my early sarcasm. We all are quit acquainted with scripture and we can all quote quite lengthy articles to that fact. So it become dribble defending YOUR alleged spiritual position as far as YOU can see that it is. As i see my self am grassing peacefully in the shepherds field, exactly where the shepherds desire for me to be.Thus he has unveiled many deceits too,for me.
Yes of course Satan will miss use Moses body.! ! As if using discernment one cant draw conclusions to that by Michael's retort.But that is here nor there.
No blessing today as if you need mine.
Interesting dialogues! However, Jesus quoted His Father by saying, "God is not the God of the dead but of the living." "For to Him all are alive."
And later on, during His Transfiguration, 'there appeared with Him Moses and Elijah'.
So when people say Moses did not enter the Promised Land he did.
And brethren, there is even a better Promised Land where we have all been invited to - whosoever will may come.
And the weather there is beautiful, for God Reigns, and the Son Shines
You are very much mistaken William. Jesus did not say they were alive. He said they were alive to him, or as good as alive Jesus was discussing the resurrection and the surety of the resurrection. If Abraham was really alive what would be the point of bringing them back to life? As far as Moses entering the Promised land the Scriptures clearly say no. And as far as Elijah and Moses in the transfiguration, that was a vision. A vision is not real.