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Apr182011

What is the Great Tribulation and the Holy Place?

Previously published, 2006What is the great tribulation and what is the holy place that is destined for desolation?

Although Jesus indicated that the desolation of Jerusalem in the 1st century would result in a great tribulation unlike any before, he also went on to say that the tribulation will be a time of unprecedented distress upon all the nations of the earth (not just Jerusalem), of such severity that the continued existence of humanity will hang in the balance. The great tribulation will necessitate divine intervention in order to save mankind from extinction.

Because the great tribulation is destined to come upon the entire inhabited earth during Christ’s presence, terrorizing the peoples of the world to the extent of their becoming faint with fright, it obviously involves much more than merely the legislated banning of organized religion. The great tribulation evidently encompasses the jarring collapse of the entire global system, including that which was typified by Jerusalem and its holy temple in ancient times.

In brief: The great tribulation is to be immediately preceded, if not precipitated by, global war, food shortages, pandemics, and great earthquakes in various places and a massive falling away of Christians, as well as persecutions and martyrdom for the faithful. Then, after the beginning pangs of distress have served as a signal that the parousia has begun, Jesus said a “disgusting thing” would violate and desolate God’s holy place, which Christ described as a great tribulation that would require Christians to take decisive action.

Immediately after the beginning of the tribulation, the symbolic heavenly luminaries go on the wane – signifying the terrifying crash of the present system of things. Then, during mankind’s darkest hour, the sign of Christ will miraculously manifest itself from heaven and the final ingathering of Jehovah’s chosen ones from the four corners of the earth, where they will have been scattered by the tribulation, will be accomplished.

Although the tribulation upon the holy place is for the purpose of “meting out justice” (according to Luke), Christ’s faithful followers will also be directly impacted, as they were in the 1st century, which is why Jesus went on to say: “Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house; and let the man in the field not return to the house to pick up his outer garment. Woe to the pregnant women and those suckling a baby in those days! Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime, nor on the sabbath day; for then there will be great tribulation…”

In view of the fact that Christians would be required to make a crucial life-or-death decision shortly after the disgusting thing begins “standing where it ought not,” Jesus advised his followers to consult the prophecy of Daniel for additional insight into developments that are destined to occur, saying: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.”

What feature of Daniel’s prophecy did Jesus have in mind? No doubt Christ intended 1st century readers to discern that the 9th chapter of Daniel (the original scrolls were not divided into chapter and verse) had relevance for them. That’s where we read: “And upon the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, the very thing decided upon will go pouring out also upon the one lying desolate."

However, what might Jesus have intended readers to discern from Daniel’s prophecy who would be on hand for the “conclusion of the system of thing,” otherwise known as “the time of the end”? Are we merely to discern from reading Daniel that the Roman armies were the foretold disgusting thing when they planted their idolatrous ensigns in the temple? Of what value would that be for Christ's disciples living during the grander fulfillment? (See essay entitled Let the Reader Use Discernment)

No doubt Jesus was familiar with the scroll of Daniel, where we are told: “And he will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and he will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant.  And there will be arms that will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature. And they will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation.”

The sanctuary, fortress and the constant feature, mentioned above, have reference to that which belongs to God – being the central feature of the worship of Jehovah. In other words, the sanctuary and fortress are a holy place to God. The constant feature has to do with the regular sacrifices of praise offered to God in his sanctuary. This is collaborated by Daniel 8:13, which refers to the king of fierce countenance “causing desolation” to the "holy place" and removing the "constant feature." Daniel 8:13 reads: “How long will the vision be of the constant feature and of the transgression causing desolation, to make both the holy place and the army things to trample on?”

The 8th chapter of Daniel also connects the holy place, the sanctuary and the constant feature with the “Prince of the army,” who is Christ. So, the "putting in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation" is in reference to the sanctuary of Jehovah, of which Christ is both the cornerstone and High priest. Given the similar content and wording of the prophecies of Daniel it should be evident to the discerning reader that the holy place that is destined to come to desolation and be trampled underfoot by the nations for an appointed time is the earthly domain of the holy ones – Christ’s true congregation. It most certainly is not Christendom or Babylon the Great.

Tragically, few of Jehovah’s Witnesses realize just how convoluted the Society’s prophetic interpretations are. For example, the Watchtower teaches that the king of the north profaned the sanctuary and removed the constant feature when Adolf Hitler and the Fascists persecuted Jehovah’s Witnesses. Contradictorily, the Watchtower also teaches that the king of fierce countenance profaned the sanctuary and removed the constant feature when the Anglo-American king persecuted Jehovah’s Witnesses during the Second World War. Furthermore, the 12th chapter of Daniel also refers to the putting in place of the disgusting thing and the removal of the constant feature, which the Society applies to 1918 and the creation of the League of Nations.

So, three prophecies that essentially foretell the exact same thing are interpreted to have been fulfilled in three different ways – all in the past!

And yet in spite of applying the prophecies of Daniel regarding the holy place to the persecutions of the International Bible Students and Jehovah’s Witnesses, albeit in three different ways, the Watchtower steadfastly insists that the holy place Jesus referred to, which is destined to be desolated by the disgusting thing of Daniel’s prophecy, represents Christendom! Incredible! No wonder Jesus advised the reader to use discernment. Could the Watchtower be any less discerning in these vital matters?

Obviously, the Watchtower and Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have a clear understanding of what the holy place of Christ’s prophecy represents. That is evident in other ways too. For example, for decades the Watchtower taught that the disgusting thing first began standing in God’s holy place back in 1920. That’s when the League of Nations was formed. Then, when the League dissolved at the outbreak of the Second World War and the United Nations came on the scene afterwards, the Watchtower continued to sound the trumpet alarm that the UN was “standing where it ought not.” But how did those two political agencies come to stand in the holy place of God? Jehovah’s Witnesses thought that simply because the clergy generally accepted the League and the UN, and some clerics apparently even viewed them as earthly extensions of God’s kingdom, for that reason Christendom somehow invited the political disgusting thing to stand in the place of God’s kingdom. 

So, in reality the Watchtower held two definitions of what the holy place represented. On the one hand they once taught that God’s kingdom was the holy place and that somehow the League and the UN had subverted God’s kingdom by standing in the holy place posing as counterfeits. On the other hand, the Watchtower still teaches that Christendom itself is the holy place because they merely claim to represent God. And for many years the Society urged people to flee out of the doomed “holy place” by becoming Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Then, in 1999, “new light” suddenly flashed up, as Jehovah’s Witnesses are fond of saying, and the Watchtower unceremoniously jettisoned the notion that the League of Nations and its successor, the UN, were ever standing in the prophetic holy place. Here is what the May 1st issue stated:

“Since the start of the great tribulation is yet future, is the “standing in a holy place” still ahead of us? Evidently so. While “the disgusting thing” made its appearance early in this century and has, thus, existed for decades, it will take a position in a unique way “in a holy place” in the near future. As first-century followers of Christ must have keenly watched to see how the “standing in a holy place” would develop, so do present-day Christians. Admittedly, we will have to wait for the actual fulfillment to know all the details.”

In a couple of sentences the Watchtower, knowingly or unknowingly, negated a considerable portion of its own teachings on this topic. For instance, even though the Society now no longer teaches that the League of Nations once stood in the prophetic holy place, it nevertheless has not rejected the blasphemous and nonsensical notion that God has already adversely judged Christendom and all people who may not have accepted or even been aware of the Watchtower’s proclamations against the League back in the 1920s.

The Grand Climax book states that God began pouring out the last plagues in 1922 upon those who supposedly received the mark of the beast, which resulted in apparent everlasting condemnation for the masses of humanity who may not have accepted the Watchtower’s teaching regarding 1914 and the League being a counterfeit of the supposed newly established kingdom of God. This in spite of the fact that the same May 1st, 1999, issue of the Watchtower also published “new light” regarding the separation of the sheep and the goats. Even though the Watchtower has not repudiated the 1914 doctrine or corrected the absurd notion that judgment day began in 1922, Jehovah’s Witnesses now believe that Jesus has not yet sat down upon his throne to judge the sheep and the goats, in fulfillment of Christ’s illustration in the 25th chapter of Matthew.

So the Watchtower holds two totally contradictory teachings. One: that the world has already been adversely judged because of rejecting the Watchtower’s 1914 doctrine, and consequently the peoples of the world have already received the mark of the beast. At the same time, the Society teaches that Christ has not yet sat down upon his throne to judge mankind. The Society’s prophetic teachings are nothing if not a hodge-podge of contradictions.

While the Society has finally corrected their decades-old errors regarding when it is that Jesus separates the sheep and the goats and when the disgusting thing begins standing in the holy place, they, nonetheless, continue to labor under the falsehood that Christendom is the holy place. This continued error has resulted in a rather muddled understanding of what Christians are supposed to do when the disgusting thing actually does enter into the holy place.

The most logical question to ask is if Christendom is the holy place why would true Christians have to flee out of her when the disgusting thing comes to mete out justice? The Watchtower article under discussion here has no answer, except to say:

“We cannot presently have full details about the great tribulation, but we can logically conclude that for us the flight Jesus spoke of will not be in a geographic sense. God’s people are already around the globe, virtually in every corner. We can be sure, though, that when flight is necessary, Christians will have to continue to maintain a clear distinction between themselves and false religious organizations.”

Furthermore, if Christendom is the antitypical holy place, why did Jesus say that the disgusting thing would be “standing where it ought not”? And why did Jesus weep over Jerusalem? Again, the Watchtower has no answer. Indeed, as the Watchtower is quick to point out, most of Christendom has supported the United Nations since its inception. The United Nations, too, has embraced the religions of the world; inviting them to cooperate as NGOs and even promoting its own brand of religion in the form of New Age spiritualism. (See essay Babylon the Great: When does it Fall?) According to the symbolism of Revelation, though, the religious harlot rides the political beast up until the moment the beast turns upon her and devours her.

How, then, is it possible for the beast to stand where it ought not?

Unfortunately for Jehovah’s Witnesses, there are many more contradictions and incongruities in the Watchtower’s interpretations. Perhaps the most blatant example of interpretive chicanery, certainly the most far-reaching, is the way the Society misapplies the appointed times of the nations, the so-called Gentile times, which Jesus referred to as being a central feature of the conclusion of the system of things.

In the context of explaining the things that were destined to befall Jerusalem, Jesus said: “Furthermore, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of her withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her; because these are days for meting out justice, that all the things written may be fulfilled. Woe to the pregnant women and the ones suckling a baby in those days! For there will be great necessity upon the land and wrath on this people; and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.” –(Luke 21:20-24)

Please note that Jesus mentioned Jerusalem twice in the span of verses above. Jerusalem was first to be “surrounded by encamped armies,” and then she was to “be trampled on by the nations” for a preset length of time. Incredibly, the Society has divined a total of four different meanings for “Jerusalem.”

Jerusalem was, of course, surrounded by the Roman armies in 66 C.E. – that’s one. As already noted, the antitypical Jerusalem that is destined to be menaced by a modern disgusting thing is supposedly Christendom – that’s two. However, the Watchtower teaches that the Jerusalem that will be trampled on for an appointed time began to be trampled on long before it was even surrounded by encamped armies.

Yes, according to the Society’s sophistry, the Jerusalem Jesus was really talking about first began to be trampled underfoot by the nations way back in 607 B.C.E. – that’s three. But, alas, the antitypical Jerusalem that emerges at the end of the appointed times is God’s heavenly kingdom – that’s four.

Of course, the fourth chapter of Daniel makes no mention of the destruction of Jerusalem in connection with the seven times of Nebuchadnezzar’s madness. Nor does it specify that those seven times were the beginning of an appointed time for the nations to trample God’s holy city. Furthermore, there is no mention of the “time of the end” in the fourth chapter of Daniel. The Watchtower merely supposes that the fourth chapter of Daniel relates to the appointed times Jesus foretold.

In view of the numerous contradictions and the disharmonious way the prophecies have been stitched together, it is evident that the Society’s interpretations are wholly artificial. Contrary to what we read in the 2nd letter of Peter regarding “no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation,” it is painfully obvious that the Watchtower’s convoluted teachings are the result of a “private interpretation” of the Scriptures, intended to glorify the Society and conceal God’s judgments.

If that were not the case then the Watchtower’s interpretations would harmonize with the Scriptures. But the simple fact is, they do not. The only legitimate method of interpretation is to allow the prophecies to interpret themselves. Any other presentation springs from a “private interpretation.”

So, when it comes to the question of what the holy city is that is destined to be laid desolate for an appointed time it is important to avoid reading into the prophecy things that simply are not there – contrary to what the Watchtower has done. To illustrate, the Society reasons that Jerusalem has to prefigure Christendom because Jerusalem was rejected by Jehovah. Hence, Jerusalem could not possibly represent that which is connected to Christ’s congregation. But is that reasoning sound? Moreover, is it in harmony with the Scriptures?

It is ironical that a footnote in the May 1st article admits that not all aspects of the 1st century fulfillment of the prophecy find a parallel in the grander fulfillment. The footnote reads:

“It should be noted that while the fulfillment of Jesus’ words in 66-70 C.E. can help us to understand how they will be fulfilled at the great tribulation, the two fulfillments cannot be exactly parallel because the fulfillments occur against different backdrops.”

In spite of that disclaimer Bethel insists that the 1st century pattern is the sole basis for understanding what the holy place represents. That is simply wrong. As already stated, the interrelationship between the prophecies themselves is the basis for determining the correct interpretation.

To demonstrate the principle, more than 20 years after the holy city of Jerusalem and Jehovah’s temple had been destroyed by the Romans, the apostle John received the Apocalypse, or Revelation. The 11th chapter foretells of another holy city of God that is destined to be trampled on by the nations for an appointed time of 42 months. Obviously, the holy city mentioned in Revelation is not the literal city of Jerusalem since it no longer even existed when Revelation was written. And yet we find the exact same phraseology Christ used in foretelling that the nations would trample on Jerusalem for a specified period of time. Furthermore, it is evident that the holy city mentioned in Revelation cannot represent Christendom, since God’s two prophets apparently dress in sackcloth to mourn the loss of the earthly aspect of God’s heavenly city.

If the prophecies are allowed to interpret themselves, then it is necessary for any would-be-interpreter of the Scriptures to recognize that the 11th chapter of Revelation relates to the prophecy of Christ that says: “Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.”

Since the connection is obvious, it is also apparent that the “appointed times” equal 42 months. Combined with the related prophecies of Daniel regarding the time, times and half a time the holy ones are to be trampled on during the time of the end, it is apparent that the “appointed times” of Christ’s prophecy relate to the length of the tribulation, during which time God’s people are dominated by the nations. (Interestingly, it was roughly 42 months from the time the Roman armies first encamped against Jerusalem until the city was destroyed.)

Surely, in view of all of the above, it is evident why Jesus urged his people to use discernment. We can also better appreciate why Jesus indicated that Christians would be required to flee out of the holy city when the disgusting thing manifests itself in the holy place. Since it has been clearly established that the holy place pertains to the congregation of Christ – an organization that cannot be destroyed – that which is due to be destroyed must relate to the earthly organization used by the holy ones; namely, the institution of the Watchtower Society. It is that so-called “visible organization” which must be brought low during the world’s great tribulation.

God’s prophets foretell that Jehovah’s “highly elated” city-like organization today is due to come to complete desolation.  Like Ophel, ancient Jerusalem, the Watchtower of today will be abandoned entirely; to be replaced by a truly spirit-led organization of worshippers who will then be ushered into spiritual paradise. That is what the 32nd chapter of Isaiah foretells for God’s people: “Upon the ground of my people merely thorns, spiny bushes come up, for they are upon all the houses of exultation, yes, the highly elated town. For the dwelling tower itself has been forsaken, the very hubbub of the city has been abandoned; Ophel and the watchtower themselves have become bare fields, for time indefinite the exultation of zebras, the pasture of droves; until upon us the spirit is poured out from on high, and the wilderness will have become an orchard, and the orchard itself is accounted as a real forest.”

We should not suppose that the prophecy above has anything to do with the desolation of ancient Jerusalem. Even though the imagery is that of a primitive setting of “spiny bushes” and “bare fields,” the desolate condition is actually brought about by the coming of Christ. That is apparent by context of the 32nd chapter of Isaiah, the 1st verse of which states: “Look! A king will reign for righteousness itself; and as respects princes, they will rule as princes for justice itself. And each one must prove to be like a hiding place from the wind and a place of concealment from the rainstorm, like streams of water in a waterless country, like the shadow of a heavy crag in an exhausted land.”

The king, of course, is none other than Jesus Christ. And the princes associated with his rule are the 144,000 chosen ones. (Those anointed individuals who have already died will be resurrected during the tribulation so as to be with Christ during the conclusion of the system, so will not be subjected to the profanation of the princes of the holy place.) So it is that the kingdom will provide a secret place of spiritual security for the faithful during the time of international distress – when the earthly organization is laid low. Or as the 18th verse says it: “And my people must dwell in a peaceful abiding place and in residences of full confidence and in undisturbed resting-places. And it will certainly hail when the forest goes down and the city becomes low in an abased state.”

Elsewhere in Isaiah it is stated even more clearly. The holy place due to be destroyed is inhabited by those whom Jehovah declares to be his witnesses – making them Jehovah’s witnesses. That is apparent from the 43rd chapter of Isaiah, the very chapter from where the formal designation of “Jehovah’s Witnesses” has been derived. There, Jehovah rebukes his erring servant nation, Jacob, and at the same time he also reassures Jacob that he will be repurchased and redeemed, (the tribulation will be cut short on account of the chosen ones) but only after he has paid the penalty for his transgressions. The last verse of the 43rd chapter of Isaiah foretells that those who serve as witnesses of Jehovah in his holy place are going to be severely disciplined by being subjected to destruction and ridicule. That verse reads:  “I—I am the One that is wiping out your transgressions for my own sake, and your sins I shall not remember. Remind me; let us put ourselves on judgment together; tell your own account of it in order that you may be in the right. Your own father, the first one, has sinned, and your own spokesmen have transgressed against me. So I shall profane the princes of the holy place, and I will give Jacob over as a man devoted to destruction and Israel over to words of abuse.”

(Even the Watchtower is not so blind and unreasonable so as to assert that the prophecy was fulfilled in 1918 or that it applies to Christendom. Telling too, the Society’s latest commentary on Isaiah makes no modern application of the above verse.)

Jehovah’s invitation to “put ourselves on judgment together” is simply another way of describing judgment day. Since Jehovah puts himself on judgment with his servant organization, the judgments contained in the 43rd chapter of Isaiah must parallel the judgment of God’s household of slaves at the coming of Christ. That means that the holy place that is destined to be violated by the disgusting thing is actually the holy place of God and not something that merely claims to be holy – as the Watchtower asserts. It is holy because it is inhabited by those who are the anointed holy ones, or “the princes of the holy place,” as Isaiah words it. It is holy, too, because Jehovah has placed his own holy name upon his servants.

Since it is an established scriptural truth that the judgment begins with the house of God, the hardships and tests of 1918 and World War Two notwithstanding, there is no reason to believe that the true house of God has ever been “devoted to destruction.” It is, therefore, evident that the profanation of the “princes of the holy place,” and the handing over of God’s spiritual nation as one “devoted to destruction,” takes place at the beginning of judgment day – that is to say, at the beginning of the great tribulation. That is when the Watchtower Society and her anointed princes are certain to be desolated by the disgusting thing.

 

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Reader Comments (9)

"let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains."

This is what I don't understand - Where are we ment to flee to? I'm in my house right now, would I run outside and hide in the street? there are no mountains here. Where are you going to flee to, do you have some underground bunker?

Also...

according to Anthony Buzzard, the Greek for Mar 13.14..."Abomination Desolation" is a "HE"...

April 18, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterMelvin

To Melvin,

It makes no difference whether the disgusting thing is a he or a they or an it.

We have an example of a case approximately 2100 years ago when a man (Antiochus Epiphanes) took a pig and went into the holy area of the Jewish temple and killed a pig on the alter there.

Apparently he did it to show his contempt for the Jews and their God.
Pigs were considered unclean animals for the Jews both for eating and sacrificing as this was one of the unclean animals forbidden under the Mosaic law covenant. It would make a Jew unclean in God's eyes.

It would also spiritually pollute the temple and make it unfit for worship as only clean animals were to be sacrificed on the altar, so this would have been a sacrilege.

Of course the Jews back then who were worshiping (YHWH, Jehovah, Yahweh) recognized this as a disgusting thing causing desolation.

How this is going to take place in God's spiritual temple (sanctuary) today is uncertain, but true Christians worshiping God and following Christ in the correct way will recognize what it is and know when and how to flee.

April 18, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterFutureMan

So much makes sense. For so long the watchtowers explanations have been like trying to understand Chinese . Always thinking I was so dumb as every one else got it except me.
Excellent comment future man, very helpful
, now this is real teaching,oh how refreshing

April 19, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterThinking

"according to Anthony Buzzard, the Greek for Mar 13.14..."Abomination Desolation" is a "HE"..."

That's probably because in Daniel the disgusting thing is associated with the king of the north.

April 19, 2011 | Registered Commenterwatchman

Watchman,

despite a well written article you have got several, and rather significant details and developments wrong,
in both sequence and fact - which, in turn, could lead the reader to the conclusion - advanced also by
the WT - that the incoming kingdom soon to manifest itself in revitalised glory, is in fact of Divine origin
and design.

This difficulty arises out of your wrongly imagining the great tribulation to be soon, and upon everybody
indiscriminately, whereas Scripture shows it to be occurring at a later time, when the whole world will
worship the successfully ruling NWO beast,

which then will turn on the few remaining Christians who have rejected its mark, and are still holding on
to their profession and support of the hollowed out remains of organized Christianity.

It is not that your scenario may not come to pass - far from it - you most likely are spot on in your
prediction of a global upheaval some time soon to strike the whole world system, which in turn will look
like the prophesied great tribulation to most people - both those inside the WT and those in the world
at large -

but that is NOT the great tribulation Jesus spoke about, which is to affect only 'this people' of God-botherers,
who have plagued the earth with their religious hypocrisy in the Name of YHWH, the God of the Bible,
for almost 2000 years.

No doubt, Satan will make sure to bring about and use just such a fake 'great tribulation,' in order to
usher in the imitation 'kingdom of God,' which will then bring about 'order out of chaos' and restore
the 'rule of [Talmudic] law' to this wicked, lawless system of things, which it is about to replace.

That the real great tribulation - although unprecedented in intensity - is only directed against a tiny
proportion of Christians, who have not given up their profession, and refused to receive the mark of
the beast,

can easily be seen if we analyze just who is going to cause this tribulation upon them, which is
obviously implemented by the whole world, which at that time is following the wild beast with admiration,
believing it to be the very kingdom of God on earth,

as they are handing over any remaining Christians to the authorities for extermination - this is where it
means the faith and the endurance of the holy ones.

Obviously, the masses of beast worshipers are not going to hand each other over to persecution,
nor are we to imagine that at that time the number of those still professing Christianity will be in the
hundreds of millions as today,

before the great apostasy - the falling away from Christian profession in exchange for worship of the
beast - takes place.

Furthermore, the great tribulation Jesus talked about will not take place DURING His parousia, as you
erroneously imagine, because He unequivocally stated that His coming and subsequent parousia
would only commence immediately AFTER the real great tribulation has ended, when He returns in
power and glory.

The developments which will cause the nations to become 'faint with fear and expectation' are not
the great tribulation, as you wrongly suppose, but the appearing of the sign of the Son of man immediately
AFTER the end of the great tribulation, as they will THEN beat themselves in grief at seeing Christ
coming on the clouds of Heaven, poised to destroy their NWO kingdom paradise.

Jesus doesn't mix up the judgments upon the three classes or groups of people He comes to judge,
but maintains the pre announced sequence of events, namely that the judgment starts with the body
of Christ, even before they are to announce His judgments against His nominal people, at the start
of the great tribulation,

which, in turn, will commence the judging of 'Jerusalem,' as representing God's nominal people, to be
followed by the whole world of beast worshipers, whose numbers will have been greatly increased by
the influx of former Christians at the great apostasy, foretold to take place at the rising of the NWO beast.

The holy place to be desolated by the disgusting NWO beast is way bigger than just the WT, as you
so naively suppose, because it represents merely half a percent of those professing Christ today.

Therefore, the whole of Christianity, as representing the God of the Bible is the 'holy place,' even in
their corrupted form - from the lies of the WT to the false teachings with which the rest of Christendom
is tainted.

Just like apostate Jerusalem of 70 C.E. still served as the nominal 'Temple of The God,' against which
a pagan world raged in hatred of the Almighty,

so the NWO beast hates Christians as a whole, not just individual sects, but the whole concept of
Christianity and the Bible - the western civilization based upon its precepts of truth, mercy and justice.

These Divine values are opposed to the Talmudic barbarism and hypocrisy of the Pharisees, the
synagogue of Satan, who will at last have triumphed against their arch rival Christendom, and the
restraint it has caused to the implementation of their global tyranny, as they imagine themselves to
be God's chosen people, ordained to rule over all inferior races of man.

Hence the NWO pantheism will initially cloak itself as pro-Christian, by sitting itself in the Temple
of The Christian God, in order to attract all Christians, who it will then lead into apostasy by redirecting
their worship to itself, as their saviour and benefactor, as it morphs itself into the kingdom of God on
earth under iron fisted, Talmudic rule of law.

April 22, 2011 | Unregistered Commenterproxygnosis

Believe it or not, we are already passing through the Gt Tribulation, we are being sifted at this time....if you believe that the "unsealed sons of Gods Kingdom" are being tested right through to the opening of the 6th seal, then believe that their "Tribulation" is "before, during & after" these events that are closing in on our daily lives, imprisoning the billions struggling to survive whats coming..NWO

The "wormwood star" that fell from Heaven in Rev 8 & 'poisoned the waters' paralized & imprisoned the brothers to be of CHRIST (unsealed SONS) this same 'fallen star' in Rev 9:1 was given the 'key to the abyss' that belongs to the Devil, the 'destroyer of life', King of this abyss...same one that the Wild Beast rises from that the 'whore of Babylon rides' until the bitter end...so WHO bound those 4 Angels at the
River that ran through Babylon.....?no other than the Man of lawlessness,,,,son of destruction, through WORMWOOD...folks....the "Locusts" are no less than the WT evil slave followers still worshipping their
'IDOL' & willing to listen to its VOICE intstead of God's SON and prove themselves unfaithful & judged..as it is no other than the true GOD's VOICE that calls for the 'release' of the unsealed 'angels' who have been proved to be bound for a lifetime within the confines of the WTB&TS (inside the'camp') to be rendered "deaf, dumb & blind" lacking the full gifts of God's Holy Spirit even though "HELPER" John 14:26 was
always available to them (assisted by angels & the voice of God's SON)

May 27, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterElena maree

Interesting question to ponder here, The watchman in a response wrote "according to Anthony Buzzard, the Greek for Mar 13.14..."Abomination Desolation" is a "HE"..."
That's probably because in Daniel the disgusting thing is associated with the king of the north.
HERES THE QUESTION.Could the king of the north be from the northern tribe,say Dan ? And wouldn't this family of Dan be responsible for Israels present political re-enstatement since 1948 ? Now I'm not going to shout out names here just follow up on some history and the name will scream out at you. But this same family tribesmen of Dan is currently working out the reconstruction of the late temple of Solemn, if in fact it is already erected.Which satellite photos show it is. The quoted verse could really be an for the Jew in Jerusalem.Taking in to account the whole chapter of but referencing to Ezekiel 8:13 And he continued on to say to me: “You will yet see again great detestable things that they are doing.”

October 3, 2011 | Unregistered CommentermyGodisJehovah

Reading Joseph Herrin's "Heart4God" site and comments has revealed some scriptural insights, regarding similar timing of the great Tribulation, being 7 years from 2008, he includes "signs from Heaven" being the Lunar & solar eclipses, and constellations eg "blood moons" we have already experienced with certain lunar eclipses, yet it is the increasing frequency of these events that could be interpreted as "God's message" to His people, its not all for a certainty, but good to check out with scripture.

October 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterElena maree

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October 16, 2011 | Unregistered Commentervxcavb vxcavb
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