Jehovah's Counsel Against All The Earth
Tuesday, August 2, 2011 at 7:07AM Permalink 
“O how you have fallen from heaven, you shining one, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the earth, you who were disabling the nations!"
The fall of mighty Babylon vindicated Jehovah as the true God. Not only had he foretold that Babylon would serve as his punishing agent, wrecking all the earth, but God foretold the name of the man who would bring Babylon down, nearly two centuries before he was even born - naming Cyrus as the anointed of Jehovah, the liberator of God’s oppressed people; obviously, a type of Christ.
In conjunction with that, in the latter chapters of the same prophecy of Isaiah the repatriated Jews and company were said to have been ushered into a new heavens and new earth. To be sure, that expression is also used in the 2nd letter of Peter and in Revelation, both in reference to the system to come.
That being the case, the prophetic account of the fall of ancient Babylon did not merely vindicate God as a foreteller of future events, it led to the complete accomplishment of God’s overall purpose.
In the larger scheme of things Babylon’s overthrow must stand as a vivid pattern for the downfall of the last kingdom and the entire present system - including the iniquitous harlot, which is seemingly inseparably linked to the last king; thus, Babylon the great
Since ancient Babylon was a extremely religious society - invoking Marduk and a pantheon of lesser gods and goddesses, including the triad Shamash, Sin and Ishtar - to bless their warring and plundering, the prophecy of Isaiah makes no distinction between the empire and its demon-worshipping religion.
Consider now, more closely, the recorded judgment upon the kingdom of Babylon. Isaiah 14:15-20 states:
“However, down to Sheol you will be brought, to the remotest parts of the pit. Those seeing you will gaze even at you; they will give close examination even to you, saying, ‘Is this the man that was agitating the earth, that was making kingdoms rock, that made the productive land like the wilderness and that overthrew its very cities, that did not open the way homeward even for his prisoners?’ All other kings of the nations, yes, all of them, have lain down in glory, each one in his own house. But as for you, you have been thrown away without a burial place for you, like a detested sprout, clothed with killed men stabbed with the sword that are going down to the stones of a pit, like a carcass trodden down. You will not become united with them in a grave, because you brought your own land to ruin, you killed your own people. To time indefinite the offspring of evildoers will not be named.”
There is no reason to conclude that the literal Babylon of antiquity has been denied a place of honor alongside all the other kingdoms and empires that have existed down through the ages. The rise and fall of Babylon is just as much a part of the history of this system as any kingdom.
The fact that the 14th chapter of Isaiah depicts Babylon as being denied an honorable burial, unlike all the other great kings of the earth that have come and gone down through the centuries, indicates that the slaughter of Babylon finds a parallel to the judgment revealed in the last book of the Bible upon the kings of earth, whose slaughtered carcasses are destined to be left to rot on Armageddon’s battlefield, to serve as a carrion feast for all the birds.
It is interesting that the reason given for the harsh judgment upon Babylon is because he killed his own people. This in spite of the fact, that, in reality, Babylon killed Jehovah’s people and multitudes of people in all the nations round-about. There is no evidence that the kingdom actually committed genocide against the Babylonian people themselves.
Why then does the prophecy indict Babylon for killing its own people?
Because, as already stated in this article, and elsewhere on this site, Babylon typifies the last kingdom. The last kingdom is destined to be a world government - superseding the authority presently exercised by individual, national sovereignties. In that eventuality, all the people of the world would be under his rule; hence, “your own people.”
Contrary to the Watchtower’s assertion that the United Nations is currently functioning as the eighth king, alongside the seventh, the last king has not come to power yet. (For a more detailed discussion see the chapters entitled: Downfall of America and An Eighth King)
The United Nations will most likely become the eighth king, but presently it is merely a hollow, bureaucratic shell, waiting to be empowered when once all the goatlike leaders of the nations are made to get up off their thrones, as Isaiah 14:9 foretells, saying: “Even Sheol underneath has become agitated at you in order to meet you on coming in. At you it has awakened those impotent in death, all the goatlike leaders of the earth. It has made all the kings of the nations get up from their thrones.”
But the mechanism for “disabling the nations,” as described in the 12th verse, may well be the financial trap that is clearly in place at this present moment in time; whereby, the nations have been seduced into taking on massive amounts of debt - even the debts imposed upon them through the fraudulent schemes of the bankers, who have literally ensnared nations, states and municipalities in their inscrutable derivatives swindle - now threatening them with credit downgrades, waging financial war upon their bonds and currencies, and no doubt in some cases through intimidation, threatening outright violence through their control over mafia assassins and terrorist assets.
"IS THIS THE MAN THAT WAS AGITATING THE EARTH?"
It is noteworthy that Isaiah refers to the Babylon as a single individual, a man, saying at verse 16: “‘Is this the man that was agitating the earth, that was making kingdoms rock...?”’
Today there are no individual kings that wield such great power. True, the British royal family possess unimaginable wealth and power. Her Majesty, the Queen, possesses more property around the world than any private entity - more than ten times that of the second largest private landholder - a member of the Saudi royal family. (Who Owns the World?)
But the truth is, there is an unseen entity that possesses greater power then mere monarchies and kingdoms - it is the so-called "invisible hand," the financier oligarchy. And of all the most powerful banking dynasties in existence today, none are as wealthy, powerful or influential as the secretive Rothschild family.
Whereas, the Forbes list of the wealthiest people in the world measures their riches in the tens of billions, the Rothschild family controls wealth in the trillions. Through the European Inter-Alpha Group of banks, Rothschild presides over a banking empire that controls an unbelievable 80% of the world’s finances.
Over the 250 years the family has been in business the Rothschild bankers have reputedly profited fabulously by financing both sides of every war. And as is common knowledge, the British East India Company invented the dope business and to this day many of the most prominent banks and their offshore hedge funds launder hundreds of billions from the illicit trade of narcotics. It may well be that the flood of dope money is the only thing keeping the banking system from complete collpase!
During the heyday of the British Empire Nathan Rothschild is quoted as boasting: "I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply." - The Independent
No doubt the same principle applies today; even more so, as a small clique of bankers control the entire world’s money supply.
(By the way, the linked-to Independent news article on the end of the Rothschild gold trading monopoly made the statement that the family never established itself in the United States. That is not true. It is true in so far as they did not set up a private investment bank, but when one takes into consideration the fact that the United States Federal Reserve bank that was secretly set up and put in place in the dark of night is actually a privately owned corporation - reportedly owned by eight primarily European banking families - we may be fairly certain that one family is Rothschild - Who Owns the FED?)
When Jesus was on earth he faced the Tempter, who once boasted that all authority had been given him, and to whomever he wants to, he gives it. Apparently, these past two centuries Satan has foremost entrusted his world to the custody of a coven of financiers grouped around the Crown and the City of London, the Rothschilds being the most prominent of the financiers.
As it stands presently, though, their monetarist, predatory, debt system has reached the end of the line, in that, it has seemingly extracted all the wealth from the world that is not absolutely vital for the maintenance of earth’s teeming numbers. If not continually fed though, their engorged debt bubble will contract and implode. The only alternative is to create money without limit, which will achieve the same result through a hyperinflationary explosion. Truly, we are witnessing the heading up to a conclusion of a long-standing, global system of things.
In the face of this reality it is becoming more apparent by the day that the empire of the financiers is making a move to begin the wholesale liquidation of vast numbers of humans in order to maintain their dominance. Apparently, their scheme is to completely offload their trillions of worthless debt obligations upon the governments, as has already been done in part, taking advantage of the many corrupt, negligent and downright stupid public officials, with the intent of sinking entire nations economically - killing off large numbers of their citizens in the process. And no doubt the apocalyptic horsemen bringing global war, famine and pestilence will assist to that end.
By scuttling the present bankrupt system of independent nation-states, for their own convenience the financiers intend to throw their power behind the United Nations and use it as a supranational, world government, preventing the nations from recovering their power. To be sure, the constitutional system, such as has existed in America and which has defended and protected the rights of Jehovah’s Witnesses up until this very moment, will become a thing of the past, unleashing an unprecedented flood of persecution and tyranny upon those “who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus.” - Revelation 12:17
At some point afterwards the system of organized religion known as Babylon the great will be destroyed as well. In this way, the last king will rock all the nations and kill his own people. But what is meant by his ascending above the stars of God?
“ABOVE THE STARS OF GOD I SHALL LIFT UP MY THRONE”
In the language of scripture stars may be a symbolic reference to the angels. Stars may also represent the sons of the kingdom. For example, as regards the last king, which is depicted in the eighth chapter of Daniel as a king fierce in countenance, the prophecy states: “And it kept getting greater all the way to the army of the heavens, so that it caused some of the army and some of the stars to fall to the earth, and it went trampling them down. And all the way to the Prince of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant feature was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down.”
Contrary to the Watchtower’s insistence that Jehovah is the Prince of the army, in actuality Christ is the great prince who leads God’s people. And since the prophecy is earmarked for fulfillment during the climatic “time of the end,” long after the time the Jewish sanctuary was thrown down by the Romans, the sanctuary due to be thrown down is the spiritual congregation of Christ.
As is known, when once the parousia commences those dead who belong to Christ are resurrected first, in what is called "the first resurrection." Those chosen ones who are living during the return of Jesus are called “the remaining ones" because they are remaining on earth even while their anointed forerunners are joined with Christ in heaven. So, it is the small congregation of remaining ones who are like stars, since during the parousia, they will at some point see the glorious Christ and be transformed to be like him. They already have a place reserved for them in heaven which they will occupy when they are changed in the twinkling of an eye upon their inevitable death as humans.
In effect, though, prior to their deaths, the remaining ones will be given a full share in the kingdom at the coming of Christ, making them immortal kings even while in the flesh. For that reason they are appropriately symbolized as heavenly bodies - stars.
The apostle John wrote of this phenomenon: “Beloved ones, now we are children of God, but as yet it has not been made manifest what we shall be. We do know that whenever he is made manifest we shall be like him, because we shall see him just as he is.” - 1 John 3:2
Obviously, the manifestation of Christ is not in reference to his revealing himself to heavenly creatures; after all, the revelation of someone or something means to reveal that which was previously undisclosed. Surely Christ does not need to be manifest or revealed to heaven’s audience?
Furthermore, at 1 John 2:26-28 the apostle exhorts the little children of God, saying to them: “These things I write you about those who are trying to mislead you. And as for you, the anointing that you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to be teaching you; but, as the anointing from him is teaching you about all things, and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught you, remain in union with him. So now, little children, remain in union with him, that when he is made manifest we may have freeness of speech and not be shamed away from him at his presence.”
It is not reasonable that resurrected, immortals could be shamed away from Christ. No, the manifestation, or presence (parousia), will be on earth and as stated above, the children of God “shall see him just as he is” - that is to say, they will seem him as the glorious Christ, as Peter, James and John saw him on the Mount of the Transfiguration, which was, as Peter later wrote, a foregleam of his power and presence (parousia).
Now, if the “little children” will see Jesus as he is, and not only that, but “shall be like him” when he is made manifest, we have a better appreciation what Paul meant when he stated that all creation was waiting for the revealing of the sons of God.
In other words, the sons of God upon the earth will, with unveiled faces reflect the glory of Jehovah. Or as Christ himself described the phenomenon - ‘the chosen ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.’
Returning now to the 14th chapter of Isaiah, verses 12-14, which read: “O how you have fallen from heaven, you shining one, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the earth, you who were disabling the nations! As for you, you have said in your heart, ‘To the heavens I shall go up. Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne, and I shall sit down upon the mountain of meeting, in the remotest parts of the north. I shall go up above the high places of the clouds; I shall make myself resemble the Most High.’”
The 12th chapter of Revelation portrays the great dragon being hurled down from heaven with all his wicked angels in tow. The debased dragon then pulls down a third of the stars with his tail.
Again, the stars represent the sons of the kingdom, the minority of whom (one-third) are on earth at that time. How then does he remove them from heaven? Satan’s going off to wage war upon the remaining ones results in his victoriously killing off all of the earthly sons of the kingdom, or as it says in the eighth chapter of Daniel, he tramples upon the stars. In that way the shining one, “the son of the dawn,” which appears to be a reference to the occultic Golden Dawn and their Illuminati, satanic new world order, exalts himself above the anointed stars of heaven - placing his own throne above God's. The brothers of Christ will be forced from off the earth, making it appear as if the shining one is the master of the world. (See article: Will Christianity Survive the End of the World? & The Secret Society of Lucifer)
But the instantaneously resurrected holy ones will then join Christ and the rest of the 144,000 kings and charge onto the battlefield to engage the shining one and his demonic controllers. Thus, Jehovah will avenge himself upon the Devil's world for their having indirectly put Christ to death by killing his brothers.
Ironically, various patriot groups and those who mistakenly imagine they are doing the work of Jesus, are urgently working to expose and oppose the banker’s scheme to take over America and the world. Little do they realize it is not merely a satanic conspiracy, it is the will of Almighty God, Jehovah, to subject a wicked , self-absorbed and godless world to such an inglorious and awful fate.
“This is the counsel that is counseled against all the earth, and this is the hand that is stretched out against all the nations. For Jehovah of armies himself has counseled, and who can break it up? And his hand is the one stretched out, and who can turn it back?” - Isaiah 14:26-28
Reader Comments (52)
Watchman
I understand that you feel 'stars' can also mean men and not just angels.
Can you provide any cross reference from the bible of this, that men are stars? I looked for a reference and can't find one.
I know that the watchtower teaches the same thing. You see in Daniel how the stars are trampled down and in your mind you think this must mean men because their trampled, and not angels.
Is it out of the question for angels to be trampled?
"If even the moon is not bright and the stars are not pure in his eyes, "How much less man, who is but a maggot and a worm!" (Job 25:5)
"Then he said: "Do not fear Daniel! From the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard. I have come in response to your prayer.
The prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty one days but lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I remained there with the kings of Persia. Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the future for the vision is yet for many days."
(Daniel 10:12-14)
"Then he said: "Do you know why I have come to you? Now I will return to fight with the prince of Persia. The prince of Greece will also come." (Daniel 10:20)
The angel said the prince of Persia which is an angel, OPPOSED him for twenty one days. They were fighting. During an fight someone is going to get TRAMPLED.
The angel said Michael came to help him against the prince of Persia. It seems that if not for Michael stepping into the fight that the angel would get trampled from being opposed.
The angel said, "I remained there with the kings of Persia." Remained in the fight.
So since Michael comes to help and steps in, the angel will remain and fight another day. The angel says he will have to fight with prince of Persia again, and this time he brings help to the fight, the prince of Greece which is another angel.
What's going to befall upon this earth will be unimaginable. The acts of these wicked angels in their final days of rule over the earth will blow all of our reasoning away. They're very powerful and intelligent beings, they built this wicked civilization. Like Job said, "Man who is but a maggot and a worm."
That's far from being a star.
Watchman,
thanks for elaborating on your perspective in this interesting article.
It doesn't take too much imagination to figure out just what the elite of 'God's chosen people' are going to do with all the money, which they have cheated out of the 'goy cattle,'
namely, to implement their fantasy of openly ruling the world and blessing mankind with the stored-up loot,
who will then follow their world saving idol with admiration and worship their cultic god, who has replaced Christianity with his inclusive pantheism, while outlawing confession of Jesus.
The constitutional system of human rights will continue to evolve and protect JW's, especially since they have come out in full support of the U.N. charter of equal rights for all religions of the world,
in preparation for the coming of the inclusive one world religion of global peace and unity under the kingdom which is about to take full charge of earth's affairs, as advocated and publicised by them.
Therefore, your allusion to JW's as those who 'observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus,' is a bit hopeful given their political lobbying in the OSCE and other globalist cabals.
Your expectations regarding Christ's parousia as happening BEFORE His actual coming on the clouds of Heaven to gather together His chosen ones - to glorify them by catching them up into the air TOGETHER with those sleeping in death at that time -
is leaving you right open to be deceived by the 'shining ones' who will rule the 'incoming kingdom' as 'God's appointed kings' at just that particular time, prior to His promised coming and subsequent presence.
The passing over from death to immortal life happens already at the anointing and subsequent indwelling of Christ in those who truly are members of His body, not at another fake 'presence' before His public coming in power and glory, as you assume.
Jesus is made manifest at His coming on the clouds of Heaven, when all the earth will beat themselves in grief because of Him,
and His disciples will at that point receive their spiritual bodies in order to behold Him just as He is, because flesh and blood can only endure a veiled vision of His glory, not see Him just as He REALLY is.
Therefore, when Jesus is publicly made manifest at His revelation in power and glory immediately AFTER the end of the great tribulation,
many of those mislead by the antichrist will indeed be shamed away from Him at His coming [and subsequent presence], as they beat themselves in grief,
because of having missed out on becoming glorified and raptured to Heaven along with those who have kept their freeness of speech before Him, through their remaining in Him during the hour of test.
There is no secret presence, coming or rapture, no private revelation of Christ to His disciples that they were supposed to expect, in the wilderness or some inner chamber,
but only His unexpected coming on the clouds of Heaven for all to see, that would overtake many of His erstwhile disciples unawares!
In thinking you have escaped the traps of the WT, you are most caught up in their demon inspired delusions.
You say, QUOTE: "Ironically, various patriot groups and those who mistakenly imagine they are doing the work of Jesus, are urgently working to expose and oppose the banker's scheme to take over America and the world." UNQUOTE
Don't you realize that it is even MORE ironic, that those who you proclaim as 'doing the work of God and bearing witness to Jesus,' have over the past 120 years of their existence,
done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to alert people to the coming fake kingdom of God, but on the contrary, have consistently played down and misinterpreted the Scriptures dealing with this topic,
and decried as conspiracy nuts those who have kept on the watch in this regard, just as you also are now doing?
Worse than that, your WT-slave has misled tens of millions of people into believing that the incoming kingdom, which is 'just around the corner,' is actually the very kingdom of God, as promised in Scripture!
JW's are not preaching the kingdom of God as contained in the Bible, but the WT-kingdom which has been ruling the world from the invisible realm behind the scenes since the founding of the federal reserve bank in 1914!
Furthermore, they have adamantly denied that God would ever allow a global government to unite the world in open devil worship, stating that only their secret 1914 kingdom has the power to 'save the world' and 'bless mankind.'
According to them, there is no NWO coming, except THEIR kingdom of 1914.
This is the real operation of error, namely, that the incoming WT kingdom is the very kingdom of God, as preached by them,
and all those swallowing this lie will also perish by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of His strength,
at the time of the rapture, when He comes to be glorified in connection with His holy ones on the clouds of Heaven on that blessed day.
Quote-Don't you realize that it is even MORE ironic, that those who you proclaim as 'doing the work of God and bearing witness to Jesus,' have over the past 120 years of their existence, done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to alert people to the coming fake kingdom of God, but on the contrary, have consistently played down and misinterpreted the Scriptures dealing with this topic, -End quote
WT… This symbolic “wild beast” of Revelation chapter 17, which is described as scarlet colored, is really a copy of the original “wild beast” spoken about in Revelation chapter 13. This scarlet-colored wild beast proves to be what is called “the image of the wild beast.” (Revelation 17:3; 13:14-18)
Rev Climax… Notice that the scarlet-colored wild beast “is also itself an eighth king.” Thus, the United Nations today is designed to look like a world government…it has no real influence or power apart from what is invested in it by those who brought it into existence and worship it. On occasion, this symbolic wild beast looks weak; …As John soon learns, the time will come when the UN will act with considerable authority. Then it, in its turn, “goes off into destruction.”
WT… United Nations that seeks to rule the world,
WT… Since the start of the great tribulation is yet future, is the “standing in a holy place” still ahead of us? Evidently so. While “the disgusting thing” made its appearance early in this century and has, thus, existed for decades, it will take a position in a unique way “in a holy place” in the near future. As first-century followers of Christ must have keenly watched to see how the “standing in a holy place” would develop, so do present-day Christians. Admittedly, we will have to wait for the actual fulfillment to know all the details.
Anthony ::
Thank you for those quotes, because it grieves me to see lies written about the huge volume of work
lovers of the true God offered over the decades...obviously Prox has not investigated the true history of
the WTB&TS or been involved for very long, if at all.. there are millions of J.W.s who will be comforted by
God's holy spirit, and yes, escape the woes of events coming just ahead..because they do not LOVE the
bondage & do not LOVE the Leaders of the religion more than their redeemer Christ Jesus..there are numerous scriptures that e-watchman has included in his articles, prophetic word regarding a "people for His name"..and how YHWH will search for His sheep and find them, through His Son.. Let it be done, amen
There are so many false and untrue interpretations written in the Watchtowers Revelation It's Grand Climax At Hand. It's one huge volume of lies written by so called lovers of truth. Most Jehovah's witnesses say it's a deep book, yeah, deep full of lies.
So deep full of lies that the reader is warned in the 2nd chapter of the book.
INTERPRETING THE SCRIPTURES
"It is not claimed that the explanations in this publication are infallible.
Like Joseph of old, we say: "Do not interpretations belong to God?" (Genesis 40:8)
At the same time, however, we firmly believe that the explanations set forth herein harmonize with the Bible in its entirety, showing how remarkably divine prophecy has been fulfilled in the world events of our catastrophic times." Revelation Its Grand Climax At Hand! Watchtower
How could so called lovers of truth put faith in this and go around teaching other people this?
The governing body of Jehovah witnesses tell you that their not claiming to be trustworthy.
Definition of infallible: absolutely trustworthy or sure, unfailing in effectiveness or operation; certain
"But you yourself should select out of all the people capable men, fearing God, TRUSTWORTHY MEN, hating unjust profit, and you must set these over them as chiefs over thousands, chiefs over hundreds, chiefs over fifties and chiefs over tens." (Exodus 18:21)
"The law of Yahweh is perfect. It gives new life. The testimony of Yahweh is DEPENDABLE. It makes the simple wise. The statues of Yahowah are correct.
Keep me from sinning. DO NOT LET ANYONE GAIN CONTROL OVER ME. Then I will be blameless, and I will be free from any great offense. May the words from my mouth and the thoughts of my heart be acceptable to you, O Yahweh, my rock and my Redeemer." (Psalms 19:7-8, 13-14)
The governing body of Jehovah's witnesses control all of them with lies that look like truth to people who don't really study or fully rely on the dependable word of Yahweh only.
"Do not interpretations belong to God," like Joseph said.
At the same time, HOWEVER (In spite of that, on the other hand, by contrast)
We FIRMLY BELIEVE that explanations set forth herein harmonize with the Bible in its entirety."
I love brothers and sisters that are Jehovah's witnesses, believe it or not. I would like all of them to have life. It saddens my heart that most of them FIRMLY BELIEVE and teach falsehood and untrustworthy teachings.
"Therefore I gave them over to their stubborn hearts. They walked in their own counsel."
"Those who hate Yahweh pretend obedience (submission) to him. Their time of punishment will be long lasting." (Psalms 81:12, 15)
"You destroy those who speak falsehood. Yahweh abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit."
(Psalms 5:6)
8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “‘For the reason that YOU men have spoken untruth and YOU have visioned a lie, therefore here I am against YOU,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.” 9 And my hand has come to be against the prophets that are visioning untruth and that are divining a lie. In the intimate group of my people they will not continue on, and in the register of the house of Israel they will not be written, and to the soil of Israel they will not come; and YOU people will have to know that I am the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, 10 for the reason, yes, for the reason that they have led my people astray, saying, “There is peace!” when there is no peace, and there is one that is building a partition wall, but in vain there are those plastering it with whitewash.’
11 “Say to those plastering with whitewash that it will fall. A flooding downpour will certainly occur, and YOU, O hailstones, will fall, and a blast of windstorms itself will cause a splitting. 12 And, look! the wall must fall. Will it not be said to YOU men, ‘Where is the coating with which YOU did the plastering?’
Elena maree
The inaccuracies of watchman teaching (believing) Jehovah's witness are the true faith is not just from the articles from last year.
In the article e-Watchman Versus the Watchtower there's a video posted. In the very beginning of the video watchman says, " I BELIEVE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE THE TRUE FAITH. THEY HAVE . . . AH BEEN USED BY GOD."
This was posted last month in July, not last year.
I definitely don't want to judge anyone. I must speak up for the truth, I can't help myself, I love it.
Please, forgive me.
"Some of us skim over the details and look for the big picture." The devil is in the details. Surely, be careful, and be watchful.
The big picture I try to see is truth, and nothing but the truth.
"But the hour comes and now is when the true worshippers shall worship the Father with spirit and truth. The Father seeks such people to worship him. The Almighty One is a Spirit. They who worship him MUST worship him with spirit and truth." (John 4:23)
Sometimes the truth can hurt. "Is sharper than any two edge sword and pierces."
If you don't like what EWatchman has to offer, then please leave and do not return!
Simple, huh?
ME
Your not the first person to ask me to leave and not come back and you won't be the last. Did I say something untruthful? Let me know if I have. It's that simple.
"I solemnly charge you in the sight (presence) of the Almighty One, and of the Messiah Yahoshua, who will judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:
preach the word; BE URGENT IN SEASON AND OUT OF SEASON; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with all long suffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will NOT ENDURE the sound doctrine. Having their ears tickled, they will accumulate teachers who follow after their own lust. They will turn their ears away from the truth, and turn aside to myths (fiction). Be sober in all things, suffer hardship, do the work of an evangelist (preacher of the good news), and fulfill your ministry." (2 Timothy 4:1-5)
Jesus compares the "signs of His presence" to a womans birth pangs...these 'pangs' go on for a lenth of time, & increase intensity the closer to the actual 'birth' so was this illustration a wast of time, if we are to
only 'see His presence' immediately prior His arrival..?? Jesus describes 2 events here.
Firstly, during His parousia, Jesus comes "as a thief" to inspect His end time Elect, and His presence would be marked by the signs, in Matthew 24
Its only logical there would be a 'period of inspection' in the time frame before His arrival to reward His slaves, for their faith & loyalty - having completed their 'work' during the 42months global ruling by the
wild beast, 8th King.
The events of Christ's parousia are different to those associated with His 'Arrival' in Kingdom glory..
Presently "God's house is being dominated by the steward, the intensifying of the 'signs' the presence of the 'false prophets' & the need of endurance on the part of the 'holy ones', the 4 angels are being untied/released at this time, indeed.
L.S. you have been closely observing e-watchmans work, and yet for some reason been asked to leave
the forums, some time in the past.. was this about a certain belief regarding Christ Jesus, having a heavenly existence prior to his birth here on earth...?? or NOT rather, being God's first creation, in heaven.
Elena maree
I don't know anything about that. I haven't said anything about Colossians 1:15.
in my opinion, the quotes from the WT above serve to back up proxy's point.
A small number of paragraphs scattered, or should I say sprinkled, through the vast library of the WT publications, which deal with this topic of vital import surely qualifies as 'down playing' this coming future event?!
The WT goes from, "it itself is an eighth king" to "it goes off into destruction" - missing out the bit where it actually rules! It has authority to act for 42 months, in which time it will trample the people of the holy city - and that the whole world will wonder admiringly at it!
The WT has not warned it's members of what is coming!
Yes, I know all about how the sharp-eyed WT-eagles have protected the world from receiving the mark of the beast, by warning against saluting the flag and accepting library cards from the U.N.
I see how 7 million JW's are now homeless and starving as a result of their rejecting the mark of the beast, because they can no longer buy or sell anything in order to support themselves.
Further I note, that billions of people who HAVE saluted the flag since 1914 and died, had actually received the mark of the beast, and are now irretrievably lost in the lake of fire and sulphur.
Perhaps we should all join the WT because the trampling by the beast is already history to them, as they await their incoming kingdom to round up all those nasty apostates of Christendom, Phew!
People who lie to you are simply bad people, but lying to you in the Name of God is what Satan did to Eve, and what all his children do to you, down to this very day.
WT… United Nations that seeks to rule the world,
Quote FD- missing out the bit where it actually rules! It has authority to act for 42 months, in which time it will trample the people of the holy city-end quote
WT…However, there is a part of Jesus’ prophecy that merits our further attention—‘the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing in a holy place.’ Jesus urged his followers to use discernment regarding this and to be ready to take action. (Matthew 24:15, 16) What is this “disgusting thing”?…Yet, recall his words: “When you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation . . . standing in a holy place, . . . then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.” (Matthew 24:15, 16) This aspect of the prophecy must have a fulfillment in our time too….Demonstrating the confidence of Jehovah’s servants that this prophecy would be fulfilled, The Watchtower of January 1, 1921, focused on it in connection with developments in the Middle East. Subsequently, in its December 15, 1929, issue, on page 374, The Watchtower definitively said: “The whole tendency of the League of Nations is to turn the people away from God and from Christ, and it is therefore a desolating thing, the product of Satan, and an abomination in the sight of God.” So in 1919 “the disgusting thing” appeared. In time, the League gave way to the United Nations. Jehovah’s Witnesses have long exposed these human peace organizations as disgusting in God’s sight…The preceding article summarized a clarified view of much of Matthew chapters 24 and 25. Is some clarification in order regarding ‘the disgusting thing standing in a holy place’? Apparently so. Jesus’ prophecy closely links the “standing in a holy place” with the outbreak of the foretold “tribulation.”… Since the start of the great tribulation is yet future, is the “standing in a holy place” still ahead of us? Evidently so. While “the disgusting thing” made its appearance early in this century and has, thus, existed for decades, it will take a position in a unique way “in a holy place” in the near future. As first-century followers of Christ must have keenly watched to see how the “standing in a holy place” would develop, so do present-day Christians. Admittedly, we will have to wait for the actual fulfillment to know all the details.
Quote FD- The WT goes from, "it itself is an eighth king" to "it goes off into destruction" – end quote
Rev Climax…As John soon learns, the time will come when the UN will act with considerable authority. ***THEN*** it, in its turn, “goes off into destruction.”
How significant was the League of Nations? President Wilson promoted it, but the United States did not join the League of Nations.
How does all of the earth follow the UN with admiration, and worship it when nations don't even respect it?
The UN does not have authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. Some tribes and people and tongues that don't have anything, they don't even care about them.
When they get slaughtered the UN does nothing.
Why would these people follow the UN with admiration and worship it?
I would have to say that most of these people don't know much about the UN or anything at all.
They do worship something, false gods = devil(s), but it's not the UN.
Revelation 13:3
These are sincere questions I'm asking. Growing up I have held the belief that the UN is the beast, but now for these reasons and others, I'm not sure.
I have never met anybody that cares anything at all about the UN.
Different bible translations say, admiration, amazed, wondered, marveled. Worship.
It's difficult for me to see that anyone is feeling any of these words about the UN.
Yes you are correct in what you are saying at THIS point…and the WTS has jump the gun (to support their lie) when they speak about the LON and the UN as far as saying it is worshiped at this time or since its start in 1919 and 1945 and to say that any have the mark at this time is incorrect………….but when the 7th world power goes down…in the aftermath of that happening the UN will come to power and people will look to it at that time the way you speak of it as not how it is looked at, at the present time
Okay, you feel in the aftermath of the 7th world power falling the UN will take power, but,
why in the future will people start worshipping the UN, when the UN does nothing for them?
It sure looks like WW3 can start at any moment. That would be a huge blow for the UN.
NATO is doing all the fighting. They operate under the UN charter. NATO and the UN are nothing without the US military. The US funds most of the UN, so if they fall, won't the rest of the domino's? If all the nations go broke, who's going to pay their UN payments?
Elena,
by definition, nobody can be present BEFORE he arrives, and nobody can arrive WHILE he is present.
Therefore, once someone has arrived and is present, but then wants to return at some future time, he first has to become ABSENT again.
So if Jesus' presence were to start 3 1/2 years before His coming on the clouds of Heaven, He would at some point during that time have to become ABSENT again, in order to become present once more at His arrival in power and glory.
Presence is the OPPOSITE of absence.
Clearly, there are no multiple presences and absences of Jesus that could be supported with any Scripture.
There is, therefore, only ONE coming and subsequent presence that we are to be in expectation of, and that arrival with striking observableness will be UNEXPECTED,
like the coming of a thief in the night to MOST people on earth, especially to all those former Christians who had followed the beast with admiration!
The 'inspection' of the slave is an ILLUSTRATION.
Jesus is here and now actively indwelling those who are members of His Body, and living His Life through them.
When they get dragged before the rulers of this world, for example, it is His Spirit within them that is speaking.
Therefore He will both judge and glorify them in the twinkling of an eye at His coming in power and glory.
You are interpreting the "parousia" to be a bodily presence, and including all the signs pertaining to the Parousia within the timeframe of the conclusion, and Jesus' arrival.
How can you say ..quote' beginnings of pangs of distress in verses 7 & 8 refer to the battle of armageddon ..?? verses 29-31 introduce the conclusion of system ruled by global beast/God's judgment ,
finale..
In Matt 24: 4-6 'the end is not yet 7-8Nation ag Nation ALL these beginning of pangs of distress..." in another comment you say verse 7-8 is of no import ..?? I agree that v9-14 is the beginning of the Gt Trib, because by then, the antichrist will be ruling, & christs followers will be in great danger. .we have discussed the 1260 days at length, many times.
In Revelation 11:1 John is told to go measure the TEMPLE but not the courtyard etc....before the wild beast rules, and in 5-6 we know the '2 witnesses in sackcloth' will not be harmed for the duration, even if negatively impacted and in exile, whatever it takes to continue their assignment with God's protection.
Your generalisations regarding 'fundamentals/ nominal peoples who may reject the 'mark of the beast' quote 'do not repent of their apostate beliefs/spiritistic practices..
Curiously you have become a 'predictor of events' or has that not occured to you ...?? there's NO scriptural proof of an enormous amount of 'prediction' coming forth from your 'nom de plume'
Regarding the United Nations emerging as a world power...If anyone cares to look into the great "carbon tax" debarcle, the result of the NWO agenda from the so-called "global warming' propaganda, the $$$$$
from all the countries, governed by the NWO 'puppets" Australia included, compared to India, China & USA
we dont have ANY emissions, ...the tax goes to the UN, and will reduce our sovereign countries to third world status... and then bingo, the UN will emerge..after the next War, as discussed many times.
Our food production has been limited due to floods, seedling saboutage, genetic engineering, and general
contamination ie "E-coli outbreak" so apart from growing our own vegetables & joining a local co-op we will be eating "fake food" long before we need to..?
The UN was founded to stop wars between countries. If WW3 starts, then the UN will be a failure just like the LON. Why would the UN rise to power, and be worship, especially after they haven't done their job in preventing another world war?
Lowly Servant
Maybe you have not been keeping up with current events or 20th century history, but the UN is involved in promoting war, not peace. In their minds war is peace! By way of review: The UN got involved in the Korean War right after it was created. The UN authorized the first Gulf War and most recently the UN authorized the attack on Libya. The UN is intended to be the administrative arm of the empire.
German Instrument of Surrender
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:German_instrument_of_surrender2.jpg
Signed on the 7th day of May, 1945
Please note paragraph 4 of 5, the words indicate that the UN existed as a legal entity even before it was ratified,( The UN officially came into existence on 24 October 1945) at least the German High Command recognized it as a world authority.
I’m no legal expert but the legal wording indicates to me Germany surrendered to the Supreem Commander of the Expeditionary Force but also to the United Nations.
Is this note worthy? Possibly in the fact it is note a wise thing to underestimate the significance of the UN in its power seen or unseen or at least the real power potential it could achieve…..
An interesting side note; quote wiki –
----- The earliest concrete plan for a new world organization was begun under the aegis of the U.S. State Department in 1939. Franklin D. Roosevelt first coined the term 'United Nations' as a term to describe the Allied countries. The term was first officially used on 1 January 1942, when 26 governments signed the Atlantic Charter, pledging to continue the war effort.[3] On 25 April 1945, the UN Conference on International Organization began in San Francisco, attended by 50 governments and a number of non-governmental organizations involved in drafting the Charter of the United Nations. -----
The interesting point is Nathan Knor (President of the WatchTower) profetically postulated --- quoting the Revelation Book produced by the Watchtower –
----------- From September 18 to 20, 1942, at the height of World War II, Jehovah’s Witnesses in the United States held their New World Theocratic Assembly. The key city, Cleveland, Ohio, was tied in by telephone with more than 50 other convention cities, for a peak attendance of 129,699. Where wartime conditions permitted, other conventions repeated the program around the world. At the time, many of Jehovah’s people expected that the war would escalate into God’s war of Armageddon; hence the title of the public talk, “Peace—Can It Last?,” aroused much curiosity. How could the new president of the Watch Tower Society, N. H. Knorr, presume to talk about peace when the very opposite seemed to be in store for the nations? The reason was that the John class was paying “more than the usual attention” to God’s prophetic Word.—Hebrews 2:1; 2 Peter 1:19.
4 What light did the talk “Peace—Can It Last?” throw on the prophecy? Clearly identifying the scarlet-colored wild beast of Revelation 17:3 as the League of Nations, N. H. Knorr went on to discuss its stormy career on the basis of the angel’s following words to John: “The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction.”—Revelation 17:8a.
5 “The wild beast . . . was.” Yes, it had existed as the League of Nations from January 10, 1920, onward, with 63 nations participating at one time or another. But, in turn, Japan, Germany, and Italy withdrew, and the former Soviet Union was dropped from the League. In September 1939 the Nazi dictator of Germany launched World War II. Having failed to keep peace in the world, the League of Nations virtually plunged into an abyss of inactivity. By 1942 it had become a has-been. Neither before this nor at some later date—but right at that critical time—did Jehovah interpret to his people the full depth of meaning of the vision! At the New World Theocratic Assembly, N. H. Knorr could declare, in line with the prophecy, that “the wild beast . . . is not.” He then asked the question, “Will the League remain in the pit?” Quoting Revelation 17:8, he answered: “The association of worldly nations will rise again.” That is just how it proved to be—in vindication of Jehovah’s prophetic Word! ----------