To the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses
Wednesday, August 10, 2011 at 6:16AM 
This is an open letter to the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It will be mailed directly to all members of the Governing Body and to all branch offices of the Watchtower around the world.
If you would like to help dissiminate this message simply download the attached document and print it out. Mail it to one or more kingdom halls in your area. This message is intentionally brief so as to allow it to be printed on two sheets of paper, front and back.
(Note: Edited article and PDF on August 14, for typo)
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It is a weighty thing to preach and teach in the name of Jehovah God. Christian men, even on the congregational level, are cautioned in the letter of James that they face a heavier judgment if they become teachers of Christ’s people.
As regards the so-called faithful and discreet slave appointed by the master to feed the domestics their ration at the proper time, in the 12th chapter of Luke Christ specifically said of them: “Then that slave that understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do in line with his will will be beaten with many strokes. But the one that did not understand and so did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few. Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him; and the one whom people put in charge of much, they will demand more than usual of him.”
The Governing Body claims to be the mouthpiece of the entire body of slaves, as those who have been put in charge. That being the case, according to principle Christ himself established in the cited illustration, much will be demanded of them by the Master upon his unexpected arrival.
The question is, how will the leading men of Jehovah’s Witnesses be judged today? Are they the willfully disobedient slave? Or are they disregarding the Master’s will solely out of ignorance? There is no alternative. It is either one or the other.
Quite likely this question will cause great offense among most of Jehovah’s Witnesses, since it is widely presumed that the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society are neither disobedient nor ignorant. To be sure, the Governing Body and their Bethel associates continually declare themselves to be faithful and discreet, even claiming to have already been approved and appointed over all the Lord’s belongings.
Yet, according to no less an authority as Jesus Christ, when the Son of man arrives as a thief in the night with his reward in hand in order to inspect his slaves as to their faithfulness in carrying out his will, the entire body of slaves will be found to be out of harmony with the will of the Master in varying degrees, so that the Master will be compelled to flog the willfully disobedient with many strokes and the ignorant with a few strokes.
Of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses have been led to believe that the Lord judged his house of slaves back in 1918 and that is supposedly when Christ also appointed the Watchtower Society over all of his belongings. But if that was the case, why is it, that, ever since then the Watchtower has simply been carrying on the work it had been doing before 1918? Rephrased: Why is there no distinction in the rank of the slave between the first appointment to feed the domestics and the second appointment to oversee all of the Master’s belongings? Indeed, why does the Watchtower claim to still be feeding the domestics long after the time the Master supposedly came and appointed them over all things?
Moreover, if Christ came as a thief in the night nearly a century ago, why has the Watchtower also continually exhorted Jehovah’s Witnesses to stay on the watch for Christ’s thief-like coming? Bethel has no answer, except to intimate the absurd notion that Jesus has multiple comings.
The truth is, Jesus Christ has not yet come to inspect his Father’s house and neither has he appointed those slaves judged to be faithful over all of his belongings. That second appointment involves their sharing with Christ as heavenly kings, not continuing to feed the domestics.
That also means that there is a significant faction of slaves presently ensconced in the house of God who are yet to be judged as evil slaves - destined to be thrown into the outer darkness, to weep and gnash their teeth in anguish.
A prominent feature of the sign of Christ’s presence is that Jesus forewarned that there would be deceivers who would precede Christ, who would falsely announce that the ‘due time has approached.’
The inspired apostle also forewarned the brothers not to be quickly shaken from their reason regarding authoritative proclamations heralding the presence and the day of Jehovah. Paul went on to reveal that there would be letters circulating as if from the apostles, but in reality would emanate from a man of lawlessness within God’s spiritual temple, backed up by Satan with every powerful work and lying sign. And Jehovah himself would allow the deceptive operation of error to stay in place up until the actual manifestation of Christ as a test of our love of the truth.
To date the Watchtower Society is the only organization on earth that is on record as proclaiming with apostolic authority that the presence and the day of Jehovah are here. For a certainty, for more than a century the Watchtower has heralded the message foretold by Christ: ‘The due time has approached.’
According to Paul the presence and the day of Jehovah would not commence until the apostasy develops first. Jehovah’s Witnesses have been convinced that the apostasy Paul was foretelling became manifest centuries ago. However, a careful reading of Paul’s prophecy would seem to indicate that the apostasy would immediately precede the actual parousia and manifestation of Christ. Only then would Jesus evict the apostate man of lawlessness from the spiritual temple he presides over as High priest.
The apostasy that must come first is now manifest within the Watchtower Society itself - evidenced most vividly in the secretive, ten-year partnership the Society forged with the United Nations, which obligated it to use a portion of their assets to publicize positive information about the United Nations, and which they subserviently carried out - using unsuspecting publishers and pioneers as mere couriers of UN propaganda.
What will become of the millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses whose full faith is in the infallibility of the mother organization? Jesus foretold that ‘many will be stumbled.’
The 23rd chapter of Jeremiah contains Jehovah’s denunciation of the negligent shepherds of God’s flock. The opening verses state: “‘Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasturage!” is the utterance of Jehovah. Therefore this is what Jehovah the God of Israel has said against the shepherds who are shepherding my people: ‘You yourselves have scattered my sheep; and you kept dispersing them, and you have not turned your attention to them.’”
The actual commencement of the day of Jehovah will result in the discrediting of the Watchtower and her many shepherds, resulting in Jehovah’s sheep being stumbled, dispersed and scattered. That this prophecy has relevance for the future is evidenced by the fact it is specifically earmarked for fulfillment in the final part of the days, when God raises up the righteous sprout, David (Christ).
Just as Jesus and Paul indicated that evil and faithless men would mislead God’s sheep up until the conclusion, God’s judgment continues at Jeremiah 23:11-12: “‘For both the prophet and the priest themselves have become polluted. Also in my own house I have found their badness,’ is the utterance of Jehovah. ‘Therefore their way will become for them like slippery places in the gloom, into which they will be pushed and certainly fall.’”
At this point in time the world is lurching towards global financial collapse, world war, widespread food shortages and pandemics, which will signal that the judgment has begun. We may expect the Watchtower Society to be silenced and go off into the gloom that will enshroud the world.
In light of the massive fraud the Watchtower Society has perpetrated upon Jehovah’s trusting sheep, we can better appreciate why Jesus intends to humble and punish his slaves who acted in ignorance, while destroying the evil slaves presently within the house of God.
Reader Comments (65)
1John 2:26-28 Remain in union with Him,so that when He is made manifest, we will have the 'freeness of speech' & not be ashamed, away from him, at His Presence...
The WT "Gov Body" claims to represent & act for the entire worldwide "Body of Christ" alive at this time & in the past 100yrs or more.. they may in fact, keep records of "partakers at the memorial celebration" from each congregation, those were & remain false as we know & completely disregarded if correspondence undertaken.
WT admission that it does not maintain a global network of the anointed it claims to represent, is an admission of
their ruse, and control.
When the 6 Committies were formed after the 1975 debarcle, the following year, article in Wt May 1, 1976
states the GB represents & acts for all the spirit anointed worshippers of Jehovah on earth, quote
In 2007 Wt Nov 1 "We accept the teaching that ALL (my caps) the anointed ones living on earth at any given time CONSTITUTE "the faithful & discreet slave" that Jesus said would provide timely "food" for his domestics "quote
In 2009 Wt June 15, quote "are all these anointed ones...throughout the earth PART OF A GLOBAL NETWORK (my caps) that is somehow involved in revealing new spiritual truths ? NO" end of quote
WT's teaching their "sheep", is 'cloaked in the conundrum of "a composite body" and they NEVER refer it to the BODY of CHRIST ( if ever ?) because the "Leaders" at any given time period, Knew their "GB/f&ds title was LIES.
If their is a LIST, then all those "remaining in Jerusalem & Judea" would need to "flee to the mountains" while time is still on their side, or heed GODs warning in Revelation 18 "GET OUT of HER , my people"""
I appreciate your comment E-m ,
in fact, when the 6 Committies were done , this action put the "mark" 666 (six persons or Committies at three different levels) on this Organization.
Tidingsbearer
That is ridiculous. The mark of the beast is not administered to anyone until first the beast has a near death experience and then returns, as if from the grave, from the abyss. In other words, first the Anglo-American system must collapse and then upon its resurrection it gives rise to the last king, the eighth king, also known as the image of the beast. Are you saying the Anglo-American system has collapsed? LOL
Watchman,
Not really sure if you are sending the message out for your own purpose, or for Gods....? Were you assigned this task, or are you taking it upon yourself to do so? If the Watchtower is going to fall, it certainly won't be because you mailed this letter now will it? What is the purpose of this letter? Does Jehovah need YOU to tell them of their sins before he causes the walls to fall? Perhaps he does want you to tell them, has he told you to warn them, just as he told the other prophets of old to do so?
Are you hoping that this letter will wake them up to the error of their ways? Are you basing all this on the deep emotional feeling that you received in the night that you were anointed? Or are you simply doing this out of love? Perhaps the last three questions pertain, and yet it is hard to see any love inside the message being conveyed.
Question: If you didn't send the letter, or have this website, or do ANY of the writings that you do. Would the Watchtower still fall? Would your followers still be inclined to search the scriptures for something other than the errors being taught within the organization?
There most certainly is a time coming when ALL will hear the true message coming forth from Jehovah God, but are you for certain that it is your responsibility to declare things that you only have half the truth of right now???
Anonynymous :),
Somebody has to get off their backside and stop paying just lip service. Robert has done just that and a lot more. Robert King is sharing his prophetic visions- interpretations and spiritual knowledge for the benefit of everyone. Robert King has spent a great deal of $$$$ on trying to alert people to the various problems with the WTB&TS.
The public also receives timely spiritual food. Haven't you noticed? Does ANYTHING on this website help you? Does anything on this website affect you?
To answer your question, YES THE WT WILL STILL FALL.
It would be nice if more people would take the initiative and stop being lazy and apathetic or "pathetic" and get involved to make a difference. However, people that just stand in the corner and let other people do the work are always the ones that gripe and complain about all of the problems but never lift a finger to help make a change or even spread the word. Are you like that? Hmm, ....
Do you think Jehovah wants a hard worker or a person that shams and deflects work and responsibility? It is EVERYONE'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THE RIGHT THING!
But then, people always interpret everything in a way that alleviates them of responsibility, guilt and shame for mooching off of the good works of others, sound like somebody you see in the mirror?
If you've been disfellowshipped for apostasy, how can you even get a JW to take any literature from you? I don't see nothing wrong with trying to pass out letters with the right intentions. However, I will go straight to the letters found in the bible, nothing is better than that. The governing body (super committee), high ranking D/O and elders know exactly what their doing. Satan doesn't have to convince millions of Jehovah's Witnesses or consult with the whole body of anointed. He only needs to control a governing body or super committee.
watchman
i will be mailing your letter to as many congregations possilble
You said: "Yet, according to no less an authority as Jesus Christ, when the Son of man arrives as a thief in the night with his reward in hand in order to inspect his slaves as to their faithfulness in carrying out his will, the entire body of slaves will be found to be out of harmony with the will of the Master in varying degrees, so that the Master will be compelled to flog the willfully disobedient with many strokes and the ignorant with a few strokes."
Actually, at Luke 21:41-48, Jesus indicated there were three possibilities:
1) verse 43 - a slave that is found doing right - who will be rewarded.
2) verse 47 - a slave who knew what to do, but didn't - who will be punished
3) verse 48 - a slave who didn't understand, and did wrong - who will be punished
Why is #1 ignored in your letter? Based on what Jesus said, I don't see how it's correct to say that "the entire body of slaves will be found to be out of harmony with the will of the Master in varying degrees ..."
Mr Someone,
There are not three groupings of slaves. In the conclusion of the illustration Jesus contrasts the punishment that will be meted out upon the faithful slave and the unfaithful slave. The unfaithful is punished with the greatest of severity and assigned his portion with the unfaithful. The faithful slave will also be punished for his ignorance by being lashed with a few stokes. That is in keeping with what Paul stated, that everyone whom Jehovah receives as a son is scourged.
You said: "Jesus contrasts the punishment that will be meted out upon the faithful slave and the unfaithful slave. The unfaithful is punished with the greatest of severity and assigned his portion with the unfaithful. The faithful slave will also be punished for his ignorance by being lashed with a few stokes."
At Luke 12:43, 44, I see reference to the master arriving and finding a slave doing his master's will - giving the body of attendants their measure of food supplies and then being appointed over all the master's belongings.
However, your analysis seems to ignore this ... having no one fitting the description of faithful, discreet, and being found "doing so" as verse 43 shows.
The person whom you are calling "faithful" is described as someone who "did not understand" and "did things deserving of strokes."
Are you saying that every anointed person falls into one of two groups?
a) those who did not get ready or do what they were supposed to (verse 47), or
b) did not understand the will of his master (verse 48)
If so, which group are you in?
Mr Robert King
Please would you contact me at the email address entered. I have important information regarding judgement and J.W. organisation. I agree with all I have read and listened to in your comments. Especially about interpretation of prophecy. I agree about the secret slave indoctrination and those sisters saying "Jehovah would never allow that". That is typical. Yes Satan's involvement has infiltrated in all that Our Almighty God has ever established on earth. What is coming on the earth is like drowning it is like Revelations 12:15 where the devil disgorges water to cause the woman to be drowned. I would like to discuss Revelations 12 and Isaiah. God spoke to me through a messenger who appeared as a woman and I would like you to consider what I have to reveal. I attempted to send an e-mail to you using www.watchman.com but it did not transmit.
Mr Manders
My email is watchmanspost@gmail.com
or watchman@e-jehovahs-witnesses.com
Mr Someone
I did not ignore the fact that Jesus appointed a slave to feed the domestics. But unlike the Watchtower, I do not ignore the obvious fact that even the faithful slave is negligent and will be corrected with a few strokes. According to Malachi the 3rd chapter the arrival of the messenger of the covenant will result in a refining of all of the sons of Levi, that is to say, all who are anointed.
As for which class I might fall into, that is not for me to say. Although the Watchtower repeatedly declares itself faithful and discreet it is the master's judgment that counts. And since the master has not arrived yet it is presumptuous of anyone to boast of their being having already been declared to be faithful and discreet.
You said: " ... since the master has not arrived yet it is presumptuous of anyone to boast of their being having already been declared to be faithful and discreet."
The problem is that in your letter and your analysis, you have not allowed for any anointed person to be "faithful and discreet" and "doing" the will of the master (verse 43)
According to you, it's either:
a) they did not do his master's will (verse 47 ), or
b) they did not understand what the master wanted them to do (verse 48)
I suspect you view yourself as a person outside of these two categories, which shows what I'm pointing out ... that there is a category of anointed person who does understand the master's will and does it. (verses 43, 44)
If you disagree, then you are left with being part of group "a" or "b"
Mr Someone
I perceive that your difficulty understanding the concept that the faithful slave is also punished, albeit with a few strokes, comes from years of indoctrination by the Watchtower. The simple fact is, though, there are only two categories of slaves. There are the faithful and the unfaithful. There are not two groups of unfaithful who are punished with differing grades of severity. The unfaithful is punished with the utmost severity and assigned his portion with the unfaithful and the hypocrites. Those judged to be faithful, though, are also due to be disciplined for their ignorance. And obviously, everyone associated with the Watchtower is massively ignorant since they believe the hokum that Christ has already come as a thief and appointed the WT over all of his belongings.
You said: "The question is, how will the leading men of Jehovah’s Witnesses be judged today? Are they the willfully disobedient slave? Or are they disregarding the Master’s will solely out of ignorance? There is no alternative. It is either one or the other."
So I ask again ... if you believe there's no third alternative ... then as a professed anointed person, are you the slave that's "willfully disobedient" or the one who's "disregarding the masters will out of ignorance?"
It's a simple question. Will you answer it?
Mr Someone
I already answered your question. I stated that it is presumptuous for anyone to assume they are faithful and discrete. Even Paul in his letter to the Philippians states that he did not consider himself as having laid hold of the prize, but he was reaching for it. Paul also told the Corinthians that he was not conscious of anything against himself, but he who judges is Jehovah. So, that is the point. The point is, the day of Jehovah is imminent and it will be the time when Jehovah, thru Christ, judges all, beginning with the house of God.
Robert,
You did not answer the question, because you don't want to categorize yourself as either "willfully disobedient" or "ignorant."
You ask: "Are they the willfully disobedient slave? Or are they disregarding the Master’s will solely out of ignorance? There is no alternative. It is either one or the other."
You apply this either/or logic to others who profess being anointed, but not yourself.
Your answer was to change the topic to one of not being "presumptuous," not being "conscious" of things you're doing wrong, and not overlooking that everyone will be judged - all of which are good scriptural principles.
However, if you apply the "either/or fallacy" to other professed anointed, and say there's "There is no alternative. It is either one or the other," it must also be applid to you.
And so far, you've dodged answering the question you've asked of the Governing Body.
The truth is that Jesus said there would be those who would be appointed (verse 44). And why? Because he found them doing what he asked (verse 43).
Does this mean they are perfect in every way? No. Are they above being disciplined or judged? No. But they do not fit into the two artificially limited categories you've define "disobedient" or "ignorant."
And that doesn't come from being indoctrinated (as you claim), but comes from simply reading what Jesus himself said at Luke 12:32-48
Mr someone
I know what youre sayin because ive had the same thought in the past being that watchman has brought this topic up several times in the past. But i think if you really look at what is being said it really isnt 3 seperate groups like you might think at first. In 42 the question is asked " who really is the faithful steward, the discrete one whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time 43 happy is that slave if his master upon arriving finds him doing so". He's just saying that potentially theres a faithful steward who is unknown ( hence it saying "who really is" ) would be happy if found doing so not that he will absolutely will be. Then in 45 abd 47 is where the group A and group B are presented and thats where it gives the two senerio's. So 42 and 43 are not talking about a seperate 3rd slave...
Mr Someone, I have to say, you are being rather silly. As far as individuals go, I do not judge anyone as to who is faithful and who is not, not even with respects to myself.
Robert,
In your "open letter," you are calling the individuals in the Governing body either "willfully disobedient" or "ignorant."
You say this applies to everyone in the slave group, but when asked if either of those two terms apply to you, as a professed member of the slave, you continually dodge the question.
Just my observation.
Someone
You may want to read the letter again. It addresses the INSTITUTION of the Governing Body and the Watchtower Society as being composed of both faithful and unfaithful slaves, which is exactly what JW's believe was the situation within the Watchtower back before 1919. While you wish to make this about me, it is not. I think you are dodging the real issue and making a sideshow diversion.
Quote-The question is, how will the leading men of Jehovah’s Witnesses be judged today? Are they the willfully disobedient slave? Or are they disregarding the Master’s will solely out of ignorance? There is no alternative. It is either one or the other.
Yet, according to no less an authority as Jesus Christ, when the Son of man arrives as a thief in the night with his reward in hand in order to inspect his slaves as to their faithfulness in carrying out his will, the entire body of slaves will be found to be out of harmony with the will of the Master in varying degrees, so that the Master will be compelled to flog the willfully disobedient with many strokes and the ignorant with a few strokes. End quote
In the above you say; “inspect his slaves”, “the entire body of slaves” and “leading men of Jehovah’s Witnesses”
Also you say; “Are they the willfully disobedient slave /willfully disobedient with many strokes” - “Or are they disregarding the Master’s will solely out of ignorance/ the ignorant with a few strokes” – “There is no alternative. It is either one or the other.”
We know that you do not claim to be one of the leading men of Jehovah’s Witnesses, but do you claim to be part of “the entire body of slaves”? If so according to your own words “will be found to be out of harmony with the will of the Master in varying degrees”.
I guess this is what someone is trying to say.
I think you nailed it when you said: "While you wish to make this about me, it is not."
So, I think the gist of your open letter is this:
"See those anointed guys over there, who are taking the lead in teaching the world about Jehovah, they're either "willfully disobedient" or "ignorant of the Master's will" because of my own either/or interpretation of Luke 12. But, as for me, even though I profess to be anointed and a member of the "slave class", the terms "willfully disobedient" and "ignorant" don't apply to me."
Mr Someone,
You just can't seem to pin the tail on the donkey. Maybe take off the blind fold and give it a try. LOL
Robert,
You said: "You just can't seem to pin the tail on the donkey. Maybe take off the blind fold and give it a try. LOL"
This comment is really out-of-line and quite condescending.
My observation is that although you claim to be one of God's anointed, you're quickly prone to insult those love Jehovah but simply disagree with your subjective, prophetic views on the Bible.
All the interpretation in the world doesn't counteract the fact your attitude and behavior don't appear to be in harmony with the fruitage of the spirit.
Firstly, No one is going to be "flogged"
There surely are thousands of Christs "bros" or heirs with a view to "the promise" who are doing the 'utmost' to serve in an acceptable capacity, at this very 'end time'
Why do so many mature christians believe that "every judgment, & every inspection" will be delayed until the "conclusion'
The very fact that the "2 witnesses" will be 'preaching in sackcloth' means humility & repentance, and everyone will agree that we are 'at the doors' of the 'great tribulation' work out the logistics, not too hard really.
Mr Someone
I lightheartedly told you as kindly as I know how that you are without understanding. Jesus once told his apostles that they were senseless and slow to believe. Would you prefer that instead of the pin-the-tail on the donkey thing?
Elena
According to Jesus the faithful but ignorant slave will be flogged. You should take Jesus at his word. The flogging will come in the form of the crackup of the Watchtower Society and the scattering of its devotees, and whatever hardships come upon the faithful during their flight out of "Jerusalem" during the conclusion.
Mr King
It is a pleasure and priviledge to write to you. Regarding your reply about W.T.s fall. I perceive you are eager to be God's servant who will accomplish this. That is what your blog site is saying and that I know is God's Will. 1st Peter 4:17 "For it is the appointed time for the judgement to start with the house of God. Now if it starts 1st with us what will the end be of those who are not obedient to the good news of God. And if the righteous are being saved with difficulty where will the ungodly and the sinner make a showing?" Based on Revelations Chapters 2 & 3 The House of God will be reproved some receiving heavenly reward for their suffering. (perhaps those could be disfellowshipped for righteous conduct?). As was spoken to the seven congregations The seven angels holding the seven stars in their right hand and the seven lampstands are shining light on all the condemnations and commendations due those within the organisation. These being the slave of the organisation bearing witness to God. The angels of the seven congregations have through the apostle John made manifest the cleansing his people require to be counted as faithful. Revelations 3:8-10 "Our deeds are known. There is an open door no one can shut for those approved by God". Those who no longer know the love of God and Jesus because of the infiltration of Satanic opposition will not be kept from the hour of test But those judged faithful will. There is much Jehovah's Witnesses must identify for themselves from these two chapters.
Robert,
You said: "I lightheartedly told you as kindly as I know how that you are without understanding."
At Luke 12:41-48, Jesus contrasts the slave that does his master's will (verse 43), with the slave that does not do his will (verses 43, 47). There are also two possible reasons that a slave didn't do the master will: the one who willingly disobeyed (verse 47), and the one that didn't understand what to do. (verse 48).
You've claimed the slave has only two possibilities : disobedience through "willingness" or disobedience through "ignorance," and no slave actually obeys the master's will (verse 43).
Are you saying that no member of the slave (including yourself) fits the description of verse 43? That every slave (including yourself) is disobedient, either willingly or through ignorance?
From my perspective “Mr. Someone” asks a reasonable question making a reasonable point…
There are two eventual out comes for the anointed ; they ether get beat with many strokes engendering everlasting destruction “gnashing of teeth” – or – few strokes ending in firm but hopeful reproof…
Now that being said; Robert, including any claimed anointed on this particular discussion board will with out question have a correction coming from Jesus at his arrival..
((((except Proxy I think he thinks he’s perfect already???)))
but what of the faithful slave that Jesus finds doing the will of his master? I’m not sure how they fit in – does anyone else know what’s that all about.. Is it that they are to the best of there abilities regarding spirit revealed truth to this point, properly investing the talents (producing spiritual fruit) with hearts complete towards the Father???
But due to human imperfection still need refinement, i.e. discipline – the scriptures are very specific that Jehovah disciplines those he loves.. It is his way of teaching and refining.. The correction has to hurt a little or a lot for an imperfect human to “GET IT” the method is very effective “just ask the Israelites wandering in the wilderness for forty years” ;-)
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Kinda disappointing that Robert doesn’t admit that he has painted himself in a box here. But really when you look at it you see that Jesus coming for inspection is beyond that of the WTS…it doesn’t make sense that it is those that make up the GB and all others that claim to be of the slave class but are part of the org…they all go along with the GB…then Robert isn’t part of the GB or part of the org but some how still part of the slave class.
If that is the case who and where are all so-called members of the slave class found at this time?
And if even the faithful are found to be in ignorance then why can’t those in Christendom just be said to be ignorant at this time?
All this who is faithful talk is interesting. The definition of faithful: Worthy of trust or belief; reliable, consisted with truth or actuality. The Truth is that the Almighty One NEVER named his son Iesous Christos. All these faithful people can't even get the truth or actuality of that FACT correct. The Almighty One NEVER told any human that his name is Iehovah. For all those out there that say, 'I don't speak Hebrew,' that's ridiculous and an weak excuse.
All these English speaking people have no problem uttering Hebrew names like Benjamin Netanyahu.
Most of Christendom flat out reject the Messiah Yahshua the NAZARENE by not using his Father (God) given name. Why do people prefer to call an Hebrew born `man Iesous an Greek name?
"Remember thy servants, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; look not to the stubbornness of this people, nor to their wickedness, nor to their sin." (Deuteronomy 9:27)
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob don't know anyone named Iehovah. None of the prophets in the bible called on the Name Iehovah. Yahshua NEVER prayed to the name Iehovah or taught that this is the name of his Father. So why do all these so called faithful people do? They are definitely not being consistent with the truth or actuality.
Anthony,
I think you are mixing up your metaphors, and obviously a few other things. I think what you meant to say is painted himself into a corner.
The bottom line is that we are all ignorant of the real truth, but the events that will happen in the time ahead will reveal to us all just how ignorant we all are.
I don’t know “Wathchman”–Your basement dungeon could be considered a BOX – isn’t that were you have done most of your painting – so to speak - ;-).....
Yea I know I butchered "Watchman" ... Spelling:-(
All of this back-and-forth banter about who is faithful, who is not faithful, who will be punished, who will not be punished, is Brother King in one category or another, etc., etc., is a painful obfuscation.
The reality is:
1. We are, at the present time, righteous by faith and not by works, meaning that every single one of us makes mistakes.
2. God (also) punishes those whom he loves, which means that the well-intentioned-yet-still-fleshly-imperfect annointed-ones will necessarily be corrected.
3. The Apostle Paul made it abundantly clear that we only see "dimly" at the present time & since Jesus has not yet made his Second coming, we are still walking by the lamplight and by whatever revelation our Lord, via the Holy Spirit, deems worthy to impart to us. (The prophets of old, we are told, eagerly looked for revelation because, obviously, whilst Jehovah had blessed these ones with knowledge & service, he did not reveal EVERYTHING to them.) Brother King would be most cognisant of this fact (as it's common knowledge) & would be the first one to admit that there are likely many things that are yet to be revealed to him, as they are to all of us.
4. The open letter serves as a wake-up call to the so-called GB of JW's; as God moves in many ways and speaks to us via a multitude of methods, it's possible that this letter has been intended to correct some faithful-yet-wayward leaders of the JW's; only our Lord Jesus & Jehovah God know this for certain, but stranger & more seemingly insignificant things have occurred that have resulted in the repentance of God's individual servants, so it should not seem strange if this were the case in this situation.
5. Many readers of E-Watchman seem to be under the impression that Brother King is either infallible or completely wrong. The scriptures themselves admonish us test the inspired expression so if anyone doubts what is written, the easy answer is to pray to Jehovah for truth & wisdom (who gives abundantly) and to check the writings alongside the scriptures. If it's God's will that we have a clear answer, He will surely provide it.
In my own personal experience I can honestly say that I have learnt much, MUCH more from simply reading God's Word & asking Him to teach me things I can't understand or need to know, rather than what been said from "the platform" or written by the WTS or e-watchman.com; that's not to say that I don't appreciate those things as there are many honourable things taught from all of them & I can't count the times I've been corrected, reminded or woken-up by such things (I'm still very much imperfect in my flesh & I am easily distracted & stray more than a hungry street cat...), but I certainly don't take any of those sources as gospel, per se. I grew up as a JW, but I wasn't baptised as one, so when I was finally baptised, I prayed for the Holy Spirit & had hands laid on me in accordance with the pattern set-down by the 1st Century Christians. I am confident that, true to Christ's words, I received what I had asked for. Over time it seems we learn to become ever-more attentive to what the Holy Spirit teaches us and the truth of matters is often revealed; I find that, when reading things of a spiritual nature, the truthful parts resonate, whilst the incorrect/false parts are often pointed out to me - often times by supporting or contradicting scriptures that "come to mind".
Our Lord Jesus & Heavenly Father Jehovah God loves all seekers-of-truth dearly (not just JW's) so it's no little wonder that they are more than happy to reveal the truth to us if we humbly ask. We're not left on our own to grope around in the darkness. And whilst the scriptures contain all the information we currently need, it's no secret that often times we need help from above in order to understand things we read yet can't understand immediately. If, after praying, studying & reflecting on some matter, we STILL don't have a clear answer, it's quite possible that it's not God's will for us to have such understanding at that time. After all, it's our faith & conviction, not to mention God's mercy, that will save our souls, certainly NOT our knowledge....
All the best, brothers & sisters....
Robert's interpretation of Luke 12 boxes any member of the slave class into being "willing disobedient" or "ignorant" with no other alternative.
Since Robert claims to be part of, it's a fairly straight forward question to ask if he also considers himself to be boxed into one of those two labels.
I still maintain that Jesus contrasted those who were obedient vs. those who were not. Those who were not obedient fell into group groups: willingly and unknowingly.
Still no answer from Robert on this very straight-forward question.
Response from Nigel
To Nigel
1 Quote "Righteous by faith not by works". But is your faith righteous? Every elder the society claims is anointed by holy spirit. But when they judge those in subjection to their authority adversely without cause and in error either they don't have the spirit of anointment or they are being disobedient and do need correction. But since they are called the glorious ones those persecuted by these Elders cannot comment. They must suffer abuse in silence and wait for Jehovah.
2 If those in subjection to the authority of the Elders in the congregations should be trained by Watchtower teaching which cannot be questioned. Nor can the judgements of these as you put it well-intentioned-still-imperfect-anointed slaves who permit and abet this situation which permeates throughout the whole organisation; who cannot be appeased when they erroneously condemn and keep those suffering persecution out of the organisation. Why is Watchtower and bible study not teaching those ones or more explicitly why have they not learned from the teachings?
3 Quote "Jesus has not yet made his second coming". Does that mean the scriptures hold no authority for the heirarchy? James 1::27 "The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpointof our God and father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation". That scripture mentions orphans and widows. So were there 23,720 children in the organisation proved to be liars in 2002 when Bill Bowen highlighted their plight and was thrown out of the organisation for wanting to protect them. No.. God knows 23,720 innocent young children were not lying. The Watchtower hierarchy are hypocrites. They point the finger at the Catholic Church for allowing Priests to continue "serving" who had abused children. Yes the Watchtower condemned the ~Catholic Church while they themselves were permitting and doing worse. (Judah watched as her sister Israel was taken captive by the Assyrians and became even more corrupt until taken captive to Babylon). Take note; the Catholic Church by Constantine preserved the Holy writings we rely on today. In this he was God's servant.
Am I wrong in my analogy. Will God judge me wanting and erroneous or do I write truthfully? And for my personal experience I was abused at home and in the organisation with no let up until I left. Jehovah took up the issue and instructed me. Praise and all honour to YHWH, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who have blessed me.
You say "We only see dimly". Perhaps those who have been thrown out of the organisation have the light. Isaiah 60:1 "Arise O woman, shed forth light, for your light has come and upon you the very Glory of Jehovah has shone forth. "This is not referring to 144,000 in heaven as you believe. This light must shine throughout the earth as a warning. As you rightly say your eyes are dim therefore you cannot see how to care for the flock.
5 You say those who write on this post either think Mr Robert King is infallible or completely wrong. Mr King is definitely not completely wrong. If there is an error I have yet to see it. However it is not for me to claim Mr King is infallible. This is another hypocritical theory of Watchtower. If the Watchtower and the Governing Body are disclaiming to be infallible yet they put people out of the organisation who expose errors. And there are errors. Lots of them. And people are being punished, disciplined and put out of the organisation on account of these errors how can they claim fallibility and at the same time take a stance the same as the Catholic Pope as being infallible?
Isn't it embarrassing that when Robert writes an open letter criticizing the Governing Body, he ducks and dodges a question from someone who asks a reasonable question?
Robert's analysis of Luke 12 is so biased against the GB, that he painted himself into a corner as one other commenter mentioned.
There is no doubt that Robert is a very intelligent person, but his attitude and behavior often betray him as (IMO) non-credible.
Jesus said "this good news of the kingdom would be preached ... " Is Robert involved with this work?
Watchman,
"It is a weighty thing to preach and teach in the name of Jehovah God.... "
...and yet that is exactly what YOU seem to be doing as well. You have taken on the self proclaimed roll of Jeremiah it seems, in that you feel the responsibility to tell the Watchtower of their sins. That if you don't you will be blood guilty in some way. You have made yourself a spokesman of sorts for Jehovah. Are you certain he has asked this of you?
I understand you believe you have been anointed, ok, so where is your talent(s)? What spiritual truth have you brought forth to show your calling? What proof for us do you have that Jehovah has spoken to you through his spirit so that you understand CLEARLY you are a son of God? Is the overall message of your light that "the Watchtower is going to fall" or is there something else you have been given that reflects your calling?
I applaud your tenacity, although it may have distorted your view of what responsibility you have at this time. You may be drinking more from a cup than needs to be, and we know what happens spiritually when that happens. The hangover may be hard, and yes there will be punishment, of which you seem to be inferring in your post.
There are many suck-ups on your website that seem to be intent on forcing that drink down your throat... I urge more control on your part...for It is a weighty thing to preach and teach in the name of Jehovah God..
You will take this post as criticism, and yet I assure you it is not meant to be so, unless taken constructively.
In Luke 12, Jesus, as is His habit, seamlessly uses a hotchpotch of different illustrations in order to get certain points across.
His disciples were to stay awake like servants waiting for their Master returning from a marriage feast, and like a householder guarding against a thief in the night - not that the Master is a thief or the servants householders.
The details were merely incidental and not to be pressed for their meaning.
Then, He introduces the idea of a faithful slave who would be rewarded for his watchfulness.
Having made His point, Jesus now moves on to illustrate the principle of accountability - of living up to the light revealed to the individual.
In this instance, He uses the metaphor of degrees of punishment to get His point across, while in another place, He uses degrees of reward, by placing some in authority over more cities than others to make the same point.
Hence, all these points are valid, while the details of their illustrations are not relevant.
There are good and evil slaves, and some of the good slaves are more diligent and responsible than others.
To take Christ's parable at face value would mean that all evil slaves understood the will of the Master while all good slaves did not - which is neither true nor the point of His illustration, but merely ancillary to the story.
All these illustrations are dealing with realities uncovered at the coming of Christ on the clouds of Heaven in power and glory, and do NOT concern themselves with any disciplining He does during His long absence!
Clearly, a master who doesn't make himself understood has nobody but himself to blame if his instructions fail to be carried out.
Jesus is dramatizing the result of negligence for effect.
The slight inattention to duty and watchfulness, that would ordinarily merit a 'few strokes' of discipline,
could easily lead to disastrous consequences in a world ruled by the arch-deceiver among men fatally compromised by the corruption of sin, and result in the eternal damnation symbolised by the 'many strokes' in Jesus' illustration.
We need to use a bit of discernment when dealing with Christ's sayings in order to get the sense, and not get hung up on a literalization of the props and furnishings used by Him to get His point across.
After all, He has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the True One.
Mr.Someone,
you said, QUOTE: "Jesus said 'this good news of the kingdom would be preached...' Is Robert involved with this work?" UNQUOTE,
implying that the WT-anointed are the only ones following Christ's instruction, and seemingly that is indeed the case.
But if you have a closer look, you will find that they are advertising a peculiar and entirely different kingdom from what Jesus had in mind.
JW's pride themselves on being the only ones preaching the kingdom, but WHICH kingdom are they really preaching,
if not the one that has been ruling the world since 1914 invisibly from behind the scenes, and the one that is about to replace the current nation-state system with its global tyranny?
Hence, ironically, vindictive justice has caught up with their lies and deceit by exposing them thus as the only religion that does, in fact, NOT preach the kingdom of God as espoused by Jesus,
but the beast of Revelation 13 - which is about to be given authority over every nation - as the incoming kingdom of God!
The truth is thus best hidden in plain sight, so as to elude the shallow mind and unsteady heart.
Dear proxygnosis,
I was simply noting that Robert's continuous message is that of complaining about the Watchtower and the Governing Body. I was simply wondering (outloud), if he ever spends time doing something in line with Matt 24:14 and Matt 28:19, 20.
There are currently at least 7 Million personal Bible studies being held, helping people learn about Jehovah and Jesus, helping people to bring their lives into harmony with Bible principles. All this activity is in line with the instructions Jesus gave.
In the mean time, Robert's ministry seem to be about writing articles complaining about the WT and GB.
Just my observation.
Proxy,
in response to your, "In Luke 12...etc" post,
those illustrations of Jesus to an extent,
tie in with the inspections of the 7 congregations mentioned in Revelation.
As the anointed of Christ are scattered throughout the earth
each member will be caught up or involved in different situations (eg. WT Society...)
before the coming of the Great Tribulation.
So prior to the Great Tribulation happening, those anointed will have to
be alert and awake so as to discern the situations directly affecting each one,
"let he who has an ear hear what the spirit is saying."
Upon examining Revelation there are also as you mentioned,
'the metaphor of degrees of punishment as well as degrees of reward
and the principles of accountability'
of acting in harmony or not, with what the spirit is saying.
Understanding Gods discipline of those whom he loves,
God has trained our consciences by means of our response
to the truth which he freely gives by means of his holy spirit,
to sense the warnings it gives regarding the toleration of certain human/demonic influences,
and it is up to us as members to act on or ignore these things.
Concerning the Watch Tower….
I think most people on this board do there “fair share” of complaining or pointing out scriptural false hoods,, Robert in particular regarding prophetic interpretations....
Watchman
Does this imply strictly speaking that the faithful slave shall be ordained officially a covenant relationship with Christ and Jehovah in the coming great war of the battle of Armageddon or will this occur after the 1914 parousia commences and concludes with Christs return to heavenly glory when he collects the 144,000 from the remaining vestiges of the great tribulation?
Mr. Someone,
I appreciate what you are saying, but please consider the context in which the WT acquaints people with Jehovah and Jesus, by linking them to the bogus 1914 presence;
and look at the conditions it places on people, by teaching them that they can only enjoy a saving relationship with God if they have an approved standing with their idolatrous, beast-like organization.
And the irony is that even Watchman, despite his exposing of their many frauds, still backs up their false claim to be God's exclusive channel of communication, the program that people have to stick with in order to get saved.
There are tens of thousands of Christian sects besides the WT who are all preaching the Christ of the Bible to people, but mixing in their lies as well, in order to prepare people to accept the incoming kingdom as originating with God.
It is therefore pointless to preach to the 2 billion plus converted masses in the west about Jesus and the kingdom of God,
UNLESS you point out to them that the coming global new world paradise is NOT the promised kingdom of God!
'This good news of the kingdom' will be preached DURING the time when the whole world is following the NWO beast with admiration, and THEN you will know about the hatred of the whole world for preaching Christ.
Preaching the kingdom today is an abstract and academic exercise without direct relevance to people's day to day lives.
In fact, it sets them up for the ultimate test, just like Satan's showing the kingdoms of the whole world and their glory did to Jesus on that occasion.
As for the outwardly moral teachings of the Bible, their virtues are promoted even by non-Christian groups, such as Humanists, Muslims and Bahia’s, who are all working towards a united world of peace and inclusion in a global brotherhood of man.
That is why Jesus said that He did not come to bring peace to the earth, but rather division and separation of seemingly identical ideologies and their respective followers.
The incoming kingdom will be firmly based on strictly enforced Talmudic law and order, as exemplified by the creeping hate and thought crime laws already foisted upon the world by the Pharisees,
so as to be virtually indistinguishable from the Mosaic set-up in ancient Israel, which most vicarious law-keeping Christians have been well trained to accept as 'God's arrangement' for the blessing of mankind.
If you ask people from house to house whether they would like to live in a peaceful, multicultural paradise on earth, who is going to object?
If you tell them that it will come about by supernatural means - because mankind is incapable of doing so by itself - Satan will see to it that there will be miraculous signs and wonders to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.
If you tell them that the kingdom of God comes only AFTER the 'kingdom of God' is busted at the arriving of Christ on the clouds of Heaven in power and glory, then you are telling them the truth.
What did a Hebrew poet once say: "Look out kid, they keep it all hid!"