The Coming Storm
Saturday, January 29, 2011 at 6:43AM 
There is a war wracking the world today. It is not a conflict between individual nations or even blocks of nations. It is not so black and white as that. It is not confined to national borders, as wars of the past typically have been. It might best be described as a war between the rulers and the people. But that does not really tell the whole story either, because in the USA the government is “by the people” – ostensibly. More specifically, the conflict is really between two systems of rule – the empire and the republic, or neo-colonialism and the nation-states.
The empire today is what has been identified by Lyndon LaRouche and the EIR as a monetary empire, which as one might surmise, is a system of control based upon the control of the value of money. The headquarters for the monetary empire is the City of London, with satellite centers on Wall Street and the British Cayman Islands. The rule of the people is embodied in the American republic and exists in various expressions in all nations.
Since the original 13 colonies broke free from British colonial rule the empire has been relentlessly working to conquer America and prevent other nations from developing along similar lines. The first war fought between the empire and the republic was the so-called Revolutionary War. After that the British Empire and America fought the War of 1812, during which the White House was burned down. When that war failed to topple the break away republic the British Empire promoted and supported the Confederacy and the Civil War as a means of fracturing the United States in the time-tested strategy of divide and conquer. That scheme also failed, due in no small part to the threat of intervention on the part of Russia on the side of Lincoln.
After the Civil War the USA emerged as the greatest industrial power on earth and other nations began to aspire to the American system of economy and development – particularly Russia, Germany, China and Japan. Although he did not live to see it, in response King Edward VII orchestrated the First World War. And in 1917 London sponsored the overthrow of Czarist Russia with the Bolshevik revolution. WWI and Sovietism succeeded in preventing the spread of the American system internationally. And in 1913 the financiers also succeeded in their scheme to gain a foothold in America’s financial system through the European banking cartel known as the so-called Federal Reserve Bank. (Edward Griffin author of The Creature from Jekyll Island – video)
Then, through financial chicanery the City of London brought about the Wall Street crash of 1929 and the Great Depression, which led to the Second World War. During the throes of that Great Depression Franklin Roosevelt spoke of the American patriots war against “the economic royalists” – likening it to the Revolutionary War. Wall Street has despised Roosevelt’s legacy to this day, and for the past 60 years the money powers have fought to overturn the nation-saving regulations Roosevelt imposed upon the “economic royalists.” The last of those regulations to be dismantled was the Glass-Steagall in 1999. The deregulation of the financial system is what led to the collapse in recent years. And if there is any doubt what the issues presently are, last year when lawmakers proposed re-instating Glass-Steagall London is reported to have issued a dire warning that they would consider the reenactment of the law as a hostile act.
That brings us to the present: Now the financiers and their lackeys are going for the kill. Nation after nation is being forced to cough up billions to prop up the blown-out banking system. In return the financiers are forcing vicious austerity upon the people. And with the central banks pumping money into the system non-stop hyperinflation is forcing food and commodity prices to record highs. This of course, enriches the hedge funds and speculators, while driving hundreds of millions of impoverished people to the brink of starvation. The underlying impetus for the uprisings in Northern Africa in recent weeks is the skyrocketing price of basic foodstuffs.
Instead of shutting down the speculators and the bankrupt banking cartel that is looting the world, and then reorganizing the system in order to save people from despair, the financiers are moving swiftly to shut down cities, states and entire nations – virtually forcing the entire nation-state system into bankruptcy.
According to Bible prophecy the concluding phase of history is marked by the conflict between two rival kings designated as the king of the north and king of the south. Those two kingdoms are also symbolized as the feet of iron and clay comprising the metallic image. The king of the north is the Empire. The iron in Daniel’s prophecy also symbolizes it. The present monetary empire is really the British Empire, which is a continuation of the Roman Empire. The king of the south is the United States; also symbolized by the clay in the iron and clay amalgam. The Bible’s symbolism of the iron and clay not sticking together is the perfect analogy of the incompatible mix of the American and British systems today. (See chapter: King of the North)
The coming days will see the conflict between these two entities reach a conclusion. By the light of Bible prophecy it can be seen that the empire is going to crush the nations. In the prophecy of the kings of the north and south, in verse 42 the king of the south is portrayed as “Egypt,” since Egypt was the original king of the south following the break of Alexander’s empire. So, the American kingdom will not prove to be an escapee. The American king is going to be netted by the financiers.
In the 32nd chapter of Ezekiel Egypt is depicted as a great marine monster that gets caught in the trapper’s net. Then in grisly imagery the prophecy states: “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘I will also spread over you my net by means of a congregation of many peoples, and they will certainly bring you in my dragnet. And I must abandon you on the land. Upon the surface of the field I shall hurl you. And on you I will cause all the flying creatures of the heavens to reside, and off you I will satisfy the wild beasts of the whole earth. And I will put your flesh upon the mountains and fill the valleys with the refuse of you. And I will cause the land to drink up your discharged matter, from your blood, upon the mountains; and streambeds themselves will be filled up from you.’”
The beasts of the earth feeding upon the blood and discharged matter of the fallen kingdom must portray the complete economic dissolution of America. A few years ago such a thing might have been considered as laughable. Now many sober-minded persons think it is inevitable.
Even more interesting, in the 19th chapter of Isaiah Jehovah chides the advisers of Pharaoh for acting unreasonable and stupid. That span reads: "The princes of Zoan are indeed foolish. As regards the wise ones of Phar′aoh’s counselors, their counsel is something unreasonable. How will you men say to Phar′aoh: 'I am the son of wise ones, the son of kings of ancient time'? Where, then, are they—the wise men of yours—that they may now tell you and that they may know what Jehovah of armies has counseled concerning Egypt? The princes of Zoan have acted foolishly, the princes of Noph have been deceived, the keymen of her tribes have caused Egypt to wander about. Jehovah himself has mingled in the midst of her the spirit of disconcertedness; and they have caused Egypt to wander about in all its work, just as someone drunk is made to wander about in his vomit. And Egypt will not come to have any work that the head or the tail, the shoot or the rush, can do."
Presently, the keymen in positions of power in the United States, congressmen and senators, including the presidential cabinet, are foolishly allowing the bankers to rob the nation of not just trillions in taxpayer funds, but the very ones who are lauded as wisemen and the cream of society, are themselves so cowardly, stupid and corrupt, they are failing to protect the very sovereignty of the nation they swore to defend. Just as Jehovah foresaw centuries ago, the princes of modern Egypt have been deceived by a cunning tyrant! As a result the entire nation is now reeling like a drunken man destined to go face-down in the gutter! (See chapter: Downfall of America)
The significance of this is that the imminent takedown of the Anglo-American system will signify that Christ has initiated Jehovah's judgments.
Unfortunately, Jehovah’s Witnesses have no knowledge of the prophecies in this respect because they are under the influence of those whom Jehovah regards as the stupid prophets. The leadership of the Watchtower Society, in spite of all of their boasting about being an Ezekiel-class of prophet and so forth, really is best described as stupid prophets.
At this most critical juncture the Watchtower has nothing to say regarding world events in the light of Bible prophecy. The oracles of Bethel have convinced Jehovah’s Witnesses that virtually all prophecies have already been fulfilled – most of them in the 1914-1919 period. For example, The Watchtower steadfastly teaches that the seventh head of the beast received the sword stroke during WWI and the eighth king has already come on the scene, first as the League of Nations and now as the United Nations.
And when it comes to the identity of the king of the north, since the unexpected collapse of the Society’s Soviet king of the north nearly 20-years ago the Watchtower hasn’t uttered one word – except to warn Jehovah’s Witnesses not to speculate on the king’s identity.
Meanwhile, the king of the north is maneuvering to administer the coup-de-grace upon the present ordering of nations and usher in a time of tyranny like nothing this wicked old world has ever experienced before, nor will ever occur again.
Reader Comments (30)
First, let me say that I’m sorry if I have a mistake in my writing because English is not my first language. Watchman, excellent post, but let me ask you something: Did you say that British Empire is the king of the north and American is the south? How can you explain this prophecies in (Daniel 11:40): 40 "At the time of the end the king of the south shall attack him; but the king of the north shall rush upon him like a whirlwind, with chariots and horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall come into countries and shall overflow and pass through”.
Do you want to say that there is going to be a war between American and British?
Please, I want your answers!
Brilliant. I really find your insights faith strengthening. Thank you for all you do.
Brotherly Love,
Truthseeker2
Bruno Gomez,
the prophecy has its fulfilment within "God's people"during the latter days
"God's people" is composed - as Jesus says- by "sheep" and "goats" that is two sides/category, or "wheat" and "weeds"
Now, the "people of saints" are the "wheat" and their group is foreshadowed by the "kingdom of south"
and the "invaders" leaded by the Man of Lawlessness is foreshadowed by the "kingdom of nord"
the both categories are growing side by side "within the Kingdom" during the latter days , but NEVER was peace between them !!
its about a spiritual war or conflict !
the kingdom (of God) is the "country/territory" given to the saints , but the "imitators" of saints have always tryied to take the lead over the people
and they succedeed in that : This is the MOL who exalted himself in the Temple of God !
WHEN Christ comes at the Temple , He finds them there : what do you think will Jesus do with them (the MoL/weeds ) ??
Here this WAR ends , once the wheat is definitively separated by weeds !
this is the spiritual understanding of the prophecy
with great respect for the King Jesus Christ, the One who fulfill the prophecies (of His Father),
rus virgil
Life defending Watchtower land is sure one tough deal.
The Watchtower is not God's anything. FACT OF LIFE!
Prove God chose Watchtower JWs.
Cause I got a MOUNTAIN OF PROOF that God never chose Watchtower for anything: http://home.tiscali.nl/t661020/wtcitaten/part2.htm
The printed page tells it like it is. MANY PAGES.
Sorry JWs but you just keep losing all the time.
Did God get all those EMBARRASSING DATES wrong JWs? (1914, 1925, 1975, 2000, GENERATION OF 1914 ETC)...
Did God get Vaccinations wrong too?
And then 21 years later did God change his mind about vaccinations?
(Or was it possibly because vaccinations were stomping out polio, smallpox, diptheria, measles and more)?
Did God get organ transplants being, "CANNIBALISM", wrong too?
And then change his mind again 13 years later saying organ transplants were not cannibalism after all! (how bout that!).
Did God get, "ALTERNATIVE SERVICE" wrong? (((FOR 50 YEARS))).
Did God change his mind 50 years later and then say alternative service is now okay to do?
Who did all those brothers go to jail for JWs? Was it for Jehovah or for the Watchtower Society?
What about good ole and special BETH-SARIM, JWs? Was Jehovah behind Beth Sarim too? An entire house and property waiting for the ancient worthies to be resurrected and have a place to go to.
Who was Beth Sarim an embarrassment to JW's? Please tell us.
Is it reasonable to expect just a little more from God's channel than all this JWs?
What do you think JWs
Who did all those witnesses that died because of not getting vaccinations or organ transplants die for? Did they die for God or for the Watchtower Society? You tell me JWs.
So please, tell me JWs, are you ready to let your little children DIE if for some reason they need blood? Please answer yes or no. Put yourself in that situation right now before it actually happens.
Are you ready to teach other people in your territory that they too must say no to blood even if death results?
JWs, Are you also ready and willing to shun your children if they get baptized at like 14 but then say, "sorry, but the JW's just ain't for me", at 18?
JWs, do you tell your bible studies that the JW's were FLAT WRONG about those organ transplants, vaccinations, alternative service, Beth Sarim, 1914, 1925, 1975, 2000, Rape Rules, Sex with animals or sex with the same sex not breaking the marital bond along 500 more things just like these?
Do you tell your bible studies all about these many mistakes JWs?
You see, it would be disingenuous of you to only show the one side of the JW picture, don't you think?
People have a right and you have an obligation to show people the COMPLETE JW PICTURE.
Most bible studies only know what JW's tell them in their little bible study books. (I bet you all know this now). And NOWHERE does it mention all these problems that destroy the WT Society as being used by God for anything at all.
If the Bible is True:
Jesus walked on water.
Moses parted the Red Sea.
A Cloud followed the ark of the covenant.
And the JW religion owns this bad boy: http://home.tiscali.nl/t661020/wtcitaten/part2.htm
Do you see the slight difference here JWs?
This is why many people after knowing the entire JW range of facts end up walking away altogether. Just like I did almost five years ago now.
And this despite the fact that we will be judged as wicked, as some apostate, be labeled, shunned and lose almost everything we have.
Is this fair JWs? Is this scriptural JWs? No, it is neither... and I have examined all the scriptures many times and in great detail. No scripture supports this unfair abuse of power and loss of friends, family and reputation.
I hope you take the time to honestly examine all these things JWs.
Be ready to cut-off your own children just because they don't want it. Because you just might have to. It happens more than you know.
So JWs, the next time you try to push JW's are God's channel today nonsense please do not get offended when I fall out of my chair laughing.
Silly JW's.
No JW that I have ever encountered or debated with can defend the sorry JW past plethora of embarrassing mistakes..
Why not just say this is a pretty good religion for me and leave it at that?
Why arrogantly teach that you must be a JW, JW's are the truth, God uses only JW's, JW's are God's people all the while you have pages and pages of PROOF that God never chose the JW's for anything, never got all those things wrong for 100 plus years and has not picked the Watchtower for anything at all.
This is your problem. And this is where you JWs are in denial. And what you run away from again and again.
The JW religion is just that another religious institution and nothing more. The facts prove this again and again over and over.
JW's preach (((THE JW))) message. And that is it.
You know the one that said (in writing) that the end would come in 1914, 1925, 1975, before the generation of 1914 died, the year 2000. The JW message that forbids blood transfusions, that forbidded organ transplants, vaccinations, alternative service etc etc etc.... The one that says no beards, no holidays, no school sports or plays, no cub scouts, no red cross, no salvation army etc etc etc
THAT is not the biblical message at all.
And remember this fact: Before JW's ever showed up on the scene, Christianity was already GLOBAL!!! Now how did that happen do you suppose?
I am telling you that God's hand is with my life. Now how does that happen JWs if I left his organization as you al laughably claim??
I would be delighted to have proven to me that the Watchtower is what I thought it was for 15 years. I have debated with some of the most capable JW's in many places. But the results just prove what I have already known for some time; that the JW religion is not what they say about themselves.
It's not a matter of my winning anything. It's truly a matter of putting the issues on the table and with an open mind coming to reasonable conclusions based on the whole range of facts and information.
I have proven to myself (and my family as well as God Himself) that I am willing to be WRONG.That I am willing to be adjusted. That I can accept new information regardless of the consequences.
After all I became a JW.
And then I was willing to leave the JW's despite heavy consequences.
What else do you need to see to realize I am willing to be proven wrong... or right... whatever the case may be.
Truth is worth the effort and or consequences for me.
That's what this journey called life is all about.
And my Heavenly Maker knows this because I talk about it every day that I am alive. But you guys think I am some kind of godless apostate. Whatever works I guess.
I did it too for 15 years.
Living with blinders is no way to live at all!
If the bible is true Jesus did many amazing things to prove God was with him.
If the bible is true Moses did many amazing things that prove God was with him.
And this sorry list is what JW's have to prove God is with them today??
http://home.tiscali.nl/t661020/wtcitaten/part2.htm
All from their own literature.
The printed page tells it like it is JWs!
Like I've said many times now; the Watchtower's greatest enemy today is its own literature.
Vinny
Vinny, my advice: Take a stress pill. Jehovah is in control. No worries mate. It ain't that bad!
Hello Vinny, I really do not think you understand.Have you read any of e-watchmans articles? He himself says these things are incorrect.There are many just wanting Truth! Have you ever read e-Jehovahs Witnesses, there you will find many who have been hurt as yourself, but they hold onto Truths despite being beat down by the WT idol,you may be surprized at what they believe. Do you believe in the trinity, hellfire, imortality of the soul.I understand belive me, the bad taste that the WT has left in your mouth, but that does not change truths.
Yeah, Vinny, whatever you do, don't set your hair on fire and run out in to the street screaming: "THE WATCHTOWER MADE ME DO IT"! That would be no good.
Vinny,
LOL You even made us laugh!
The Watchtower is a false prophet. The watchman says that the Watchtower is a stupid prophet in one corner of his mouth and in the other he says it's God's organization. Therefore, the watchman is also a "stupid prophet."
VINNY:
Where have you been bro ?? yes you know we are all hurting for those blind & controlled peoples who
dont even know the WTB&TS sees them as merely NUMBERS in their yearbooks.....control = witchcraft
simple as that , now if you add "devination" false prophecies misleading the masses (millions) you realise
they are the FALSE PROPHETS who will b destroyed at ahmageddon....TRUST IN GOD (YHWH) my boy,
He has appointed His Son to bring His VENGEANCE upon those responsible in ALL religions
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bch flowers with one important extra one called "white chestnut" that switches off reoccurring thoughts
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Above all else, Vinny, put your trust in the True GOD. the ALMIGHTY, who will not let you down, JOB 42 :5
"The Watchtower is a false prophet. The watchman says that the Watchtower is a stupid prophet in one corner of his mouth and in the other he says it's God's organization. Therefore, the watchman is also a "stupid prophet."
In the original setting the "stupid prophets" were said to be within the intimate group of Jehovah's people, that is to say they were the leading men of Judah. Did that mean that the Jews were not God's people or that Jerusalem was not the place where Jehovah had placed his name? Obviously not. No, so you see, my friend, it is really the case that you do not know the judgments of Jehovah. The stupidity is on your part - not mine.
Amazing watchman, im currently going through ezekial and will be getting to that prophecy shortly.Intresingly i spoke to a few of my friends who are still at watchtower meetings recently.I mentioned world events and they said " we dont know whats happening really" a sort of " do not speculate" attitude.But thats just like the people of the world in general not knowing whats happening.
It’s been about three years since my eyes began to be pried open, and any meaningful association within the Cong.
But if memory serves me right, the basic understanding of Jehovah Witnesses (situational at the brink of Armageddon) would be similar to the Israelites backed up against the Red Sea. It could look hopeless for a brief moment, but Jehovah comes to the rescue in the nick of time allowing a true Christian to demonstrate amazing faith in a seemingly doomed situation.
Interesting summary of the world scene Watchman. I agree with what you have said, but I think you may have jumped the gun on what's ocurring at the present moment with regard to prices of commodities. The other countries aren't quite experiencing hyperinflation at this point, more like double digit inflation to be more accurate. So instead of food costing around 12% for the average household its something like 40%. Kinda hard to live with that kind of cost run up. But I think you are right about the direction in which it is headed. It's just not feeding off itself as of yet to the point where hyperinflation is taking effect.
"In the original setting the "stupid prophets" were said to be within the intimate group of Jehovah's people, that is to say they were the leading men of Judah. Did that mean that the Jews were not God's people or that Jerusalem was not the place where Jehovah had placed his name? Obviously not. No, so you see, my friend, it is really the case that you do not know the judgments of Jehovah. The stupidity is on your part - not mine."
The above commentary reflects more of the watchman's stupidity. Therefore he is indeed a "stupid prophet," just as much as the leaders of the Watchtower he accused of being stupid prophets. The watchman is just as blind as the Watchtower. It's a case of seeing the speck in your brother's eye but you don't see the rafter in your own eye. Are you not the same as the religious hypocrites and vipers, whom Jesus severely rebuked? How are you to flee from the judgment of Gehenna?
Watchman,
I agree with most of your observations and conclusions - but think we need to go one level deeper in order to expose the real game being played here.
You are, of course, absolutely right about the rivalry between the 'empire' and 'free nation state' ideologies that are ostensibly at loggerheads with each other at present.
While this rivalry is certainly real and affecting our interests and freedom as individuals in a significant way - or, rather, will do so in the near future - we have to remember that both 'left' and 'right' wing - 'king of the north' and 'king of the south' - in this tussle, are really but 'wings' belonging to the SAME 'bird,' namely Satan.
The nation state system - while seemingly more benign than the coming NWO empire - has also proved itself to be significantly despotic and autocratic, by exploiting the common people, which it so self-righteously claims to serve and represent.
Now it faces being gobbled up by a harsh and emerging master that will not treat it with kindness and respect - because the 'ideals' of the 'king of the south' have all along been a front for enslaving the peasants under the pretence of 'democracy' and 'rule of law.'
We have to watch out, therefore, for the next kingdom - or the one about to replace it - as it either brings about, or seemingly fights against, the total subjugation of mankind - depending on the spiritual orientation and level of perception granted to the observer by the grace of God.
By the way, just as the 'Jews were God's people,' and 'Jerusalem was the place where Jehovah had placed his name' in the past - as you say - so JW's today - as the most reprehensible part of Christendom - are God's people and the place where He has placed His name today, in order to - just as back then - exterminate the sinners of His people out of the land, with but a tiny remnant remaining over as an insignificant part of the great crowd of survivors.
But just where does Scripture tell us that a 'mere remnant' of the body of Christ - the one and only true congregation of God - will survive? Hence, clearly, the WT-anointed are not even part of the congregation of Christ, but are a mere subset of the nominal - and apostate people of God - just as their anti-typical peers the Pharisees of the first century were.
Anyhow, thanks for plucking along there at the spiritual coal face, and sweating it out for us.
Vinny,
I hear your pain and acknowledge the reality of the things you suffered under those claiming to represent Jehovah - but don't worry, He will reward and recompense you for your trouble in due time at the restitution of all things, as spoken of by His prophets from of old.
By the way, people who have died for lesser things than the blood issue will be amply rewarded in the resurrection of the righteous ones for their integrity, even if they may have been mistaken in certain assumptions.
Remember, its all about faith - so be of good cheer, you have already overcome the first hurdle on the way to everlasting life.
"Now it faces being gobbled up by a harsh and emerging master that will not treat it with kindness and respect - because the 'ideals' of the 'king of the south' have all along been a front for enslaving the peasants under the pretence of 'democracy' and 'rule of law.'"
You nailed this one ,Proxy. Good move!
As a result of e-Watchman’s prophetic insight into the prophets of old, he has been able to correctly identify the “locusts” mentioned in the book of Joel as “the northerner” that destroyed the kingdom of Judah. However, it seems odd that he cannot connect Abaddon or the Destroyer mentioned in Revelation 9 with the modern-day northerner, Nebuchadnezzar’s counterpart that will appear at the sounding of the 5th trumpet during the coming storm of the tribulation.
E-Watchman is of the opinion that Abaddon is the glorified Christ. This cannot be the case because Jesus does not ascend upon Mount Zion as God’s divine executioner until the sounding of the 7th trumpet. It is after the trumpet judgments that John saw Jesus in vision standing on heavenly Mount Zion with the 144,000. Therefore, the characters depicted in the 9th chapter of Revelation do not represent Jesus and his associate kings and priests.
I hate to agree with JB’s comment above, but if the watchman does not get this prophecy straight, is it possible that he is identifying himself with “the stupid prophets”? So let us urge the watchman (Robert King) to go back to the drawing board so that he may correctly present the following youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ewatchmandotcom#p/u/7/6P9CD7rpU9E
Re: WT "anointed"
Have to concur with PROXY that these self appointed "Governors" cannot possibly be part of the BODY of Christ.
The subject has been dealt with, in depth, since last July when I came on the Board, to comment..
History shows clearly WHO these ones are since Raymond Franz made his stand along with other "faithful men"
in the H.Q. of the WTOrg. Ray Franz along with Ed. Dunlap Registrar of Gilead for many yrs, were part of the
5men panel who researched & produced the "AID book" back in the 70's. Ed. Dunlap after being "thrown out"
along with Ray Franz & many other "faithfuls" (see Inquisition at HQ) branded "apostate" for doing 'private bible
reading in small groups'...the research for the AID book led them to the "real truth" and the LIES..
The so-called WT anointed, were merely "hired men" then John 16 and they're still "hired men" because if
called into the Gov. Body by seniority, or Ted Jaracz (Guy Pierce ex C.O) and "faithful in part" they're still
acquiescing to the falsehoods & mind control propaganda masquerading as "God's WORD"
What happened to the TRUTH book., the AID book, commentary from James written by Ed. Dunlap (who later
professed to be of the anointed after being branded an apostate & tossed out) and my favourite for field service, the "LIVE FOREVER" book ..??..from the 80's. All part of the Secret Society's "COVER-UP"
Rev. 9: 1 the "star that fell from Heaven with the Key to the Abyss" has been discussed many times as Satan
who releases the Locusts to torment the "earth" for 5 months except for those sealed ones..
the question is not WHO the Destroyer (Abaddon) and the "fine example" of misinterpretation callin the angel
JESUS Christ, is just about the biggest joke of all, if it wasn't SOOOOOOOO serious, say what ..??
This is what happens when we delve toomuch in their literature, do you agree.
Re: WT "anointed"
Have to concur with PROXY that these self appointed "Governors" cannot possibly be part of the BODY of Christ.
The subject has been dealt with, in depth, since last July when I came on the Board, to comment..
History shows clearly WHO these ones are since Raymond Franz made his stand along with other "faithful men"
in the H.Q. of the WTOrg. Ray Franz along with Ed. Dunlap Registrar of Gilead for many yrs, were part of the
5men panel who researched & produced the "AID book" back in the 70's. Ed. Dunlap after being "thrown out"
along with Ray Franz & many other "faithfuls" (see Inquisition at HQ) branded "apostate" for doing 'private bible
reading in small groups'...the research for the AID book led them to the "real truth" and the LIES..
The so-called WT anointed, were merely "hired men" then John 16 and they're still "hired men" because if
called into the Gov. Body by seniority, or Ted Jaracz (Guy Pierce ex C.O) and "faithful in part" they're still
acquiescing to the falsehoods & mind control propaganda masquerading as "God's WORD"
What happened to the TRUTH book., the AID book, commentary from James written by Ed. Dunlap (who later
professed to be of the anointed after being branded an apostate & tossed out) and my favourite for field service, the "LIVE FOREVER" book ..??..from the 80's. All part of the Secret Society's "COVER-UP"
Rev. 9: 1 the "star that fell from Heaven with the Key to the Abyss" has been discussed many times as Satan
who releases the Locusts to torment the "earth" for 5 months except for those sealed ones..
the question is not WHO the Destroyer (Abaddon) and the "fine example" of misinterpretation callin the angel
JESUS Christ, is just about the biggest joke of all, if it wasn't SOOOOOOOO serious, say what ..??
This is what happens when we delve toomuch in their literature, do you agree.
Re: WT "anointed"
Have to concur with PROXY that these self appointed "Governors" cannot possibly be part of the BODY of Christ.
The subject has been dealt with, in depth, since last July when I came on the Board, to comment..
History shows clearly WHO these ones are since Raymond Franz made his stand along with other "faithful men"
in the H.Q. of the WTOrg. Ray Franz along with Ed. Dunlap Registrar of Gilead for many yrs, were part of the
5men panel who researched & produced the "AID book" back in the 70's. Ed. Dunlap after being "thrown out"
along with Ray Franz & many other "faithfuls" (see Inquisition at HQ) branded "apostate" for doing 'private bible
reading in small groups'...the research for the AID book led them to the "real truth" and the LIES..
The so-called WT anointed, were merely "hired men" then John 16 and they're still "hired men" because if
called into the Gov. Body by seniority, or Ted Jaracz (Guy Pierce ex C.O) and "faithful in part" they're still
acquiescing to the falsehoods & mind control propaganda masquerading as "God's WORD"
What happened to the TRUTH book., the AID book, commentary from James written by Ed. Dunlap (who later
professed to be of the anointed after being branded an apostate & tossed out) and my favourite for field service, the "LIVE FOREVER" book ..??..from the 80's. All part of the Secret Society's "COVER-UP"
Rev. 9: 1 the "star that fell from Heaven with the Key to the Abyss" has been discussed many times as Satan
who releases the Locusts to torment the "earth" for 5 months except for those sealed ones..
the question is not WHO the Destroyer (Abaddon) and the "fine example" of misinterpretation callin the angel
JESUS Christ, is just about the biggest joke of all, if it wasn't SOOOOOOOO serious, say what ..??
This is what happens when we delve toomuch in their literature, do you agree.
Stone,
I tend to agree with you there, on the basis of iconographic consistency between the symbolism employed in Joel - for it to be reflective also of the self-same reality in Revelation 9.
I guess this proviso hinges on the interpretation of the phrase "those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads" (Re 9:4), as occurring in chronological order in the stream of pictures presented in Revelation - as to whether they ought to be seen sequential or somehow concurrent and out of sequence with each other all together.
If we were to view "those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads" as distinct from those who contextually and sequentially have already been sealed at this point in Revelation - i.e. the holy ones - then we are warranted to view these 'unsealed men' as those belonging to the nominal Church - as distinct from the spiritual, and hence, real body of Christ -
being tormented by the forces of the temporarily victorious Antichrist, as he upbraids them for missing out on the sealing of the saints because of their inveterate and historic rejection of the truth of God.
That way it would seem that their torment will last until they are destroyed later on - at the coming of Christ - as such who have accepted the mark of the beast, but should have known better due to their privilege of having been given extensive knowledge of the truth of God - which would distinguish them from the 'trees,' 'earth' and 'sea' that are to receive their harming attention later on in the piece.
But please, don't quote me on any of this; I am just thinking out loud.
Watchman,
Thank you for the new guitar duet video with the two girls. It reminded me of an old Scorpions ballad from long ago.
Even though I didn't understand the lyrics it was very soothing and peaceful.
Elena Maree,
yeah, keep your nose in the air and your ear to the ground, and take it all with a pinch of salt as far as men's interpretations of Holy Writ are concerned.
If He can't explain to you just what it all means, He either failed to be the Almighty, or else, we fail in our duty to be scrupulously - both intellectually and spiritually - honest at all times.
re"yeah, keep your nose in the air and your ear to the ground, and take it all with a pinch of salt as far as men's interpretations of Holy Writ are concerned.
If He can't explain to you just what it all means, He either failed to be the Almighty, or else, we fail in our duty to be scrupulously - both intellectually and spiritually - honest at all times".
I agree.
Proxy wrote: “Being tormented by the forces of the temporarily victorious Antichrist, as he upbraids them for missing out on the sealing of the saints because of their inveterate and historic rejection of the truth of God.”
Keep in mind that the tribulation will be like the “valley of decision in the low plain of Jehoshaphat.” (Read Joel 3:12-17)
The sealing is not limited to the 144,000. They are sealed first prior to the unleashing of the four winds of the earth. (Rev 7:1) This is why they are first fruits to God and to the Lamb. (Rev 14:4) Then they go to work as the legs and mouthpiece of the symbolic Two Witnesses, at the beginning of the tribulation. –Rev 11:3
Effectively, Jesus will be speaking through the 144,000 during the tribulation to gather the great crowd during the seven trumpets. During the 5th and 6th trumpet the king of fierce countenance in Daniel will prove to be the devil, who is none other than this “angel of the abyss” that darkened the air with his army of locusts. –Rev 9:1-3
Contrary to the Watchtower’s teaching, these locusts are not Jehovah’s Witnesses out in the ministry. According to Watchman (Robert King) they represent the 144,000 in the future after they have been resurrected and glorified, in which case Mr. King would have to switch the 5th trumpet with the 7th trumpet. Putting the 7th trumpet ahead of the 5th and 6th trumpet will distort the ordering of events. That is why the Watchman lifts scriptures in the Bible to try to prove that the locust army of Rev 9 represents the chosen ones.
Actually, this is a picture of Jesus releasing the Devil from the abyss during the 5th trumpet, the same lamb-like beast that also speaks like the dragon in Rev 13. At this stage during the tribulation, many people are still indecisive, straddling the fence as it were. So they’re not sealed yet or marked for salvation as Jesus is trying to save as many people as possible before “the image of the beast” is set up and the 666 mark of the beast is implemented during the 6th trumpet. It’s important to understand that Jesus is separating the sheep and goats during the trumpets.
Notice that the four angels (actually demonic angels as oppose to the four angel that were holding tight the four winds of the earth prior to the tribulation) that were tied at the River Euphrates are released during the 6th trumpet. It’s at this point that the king of the north or the king of fierce countenance will flood the whole [earth]. So this is when the disgusting thing that causes desolation or “the image of the beast” is set up.
This ordering of events agrees with Paul’s second letter to the Thessalonians concerning the appearance of the Antichrist. This is just another title for the devil or “the man of lawlessness” that will appear before Christ’s Second Coming. Paul says:
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come [the end or the day of Jehovah] unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called “god” or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god.
So there we have it. The devil sets himself up over everyone and sits downs in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god during the 6th trumpet. In the process he is going to reduce the earth’s population by one third as his allotted forty-two months of authority draws to its end. –Rev 9:13-15
Previously, Daniel described the same events as follows when he wrote the following:
Daniel 11:44-45
But there will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sunrising and out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. And he will plant his palatial tents between [the] grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him.
Concurrent with this event, John says:
Revelation 16:12-14
And the sixth [angel] poured out his bowl upon the great river Eu•phra'tes, and its water was dried up, that the way might be prepared for the kings from the rising of the sun.
And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
This is the same river Euphrates mentioned in Rev 9:14 at the sounding of the sixth trumpet. Therefore, the angel king of the abyss in Rev 9 is the same king of fierce countenance in Daniel 8:23 and the end time king of the north in Daniel 11:40. Concerning this “fallen star” (Rev 9:1) Isaiah says:
Isaiah 14:12-20
“O how you have fallen from heaven, you shining one, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the earth, you who were disabling the nations! As for you, you have said in your heart, ‘To the heavens I shall go up. Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne, and I shall sit down upon the mountain of meeting, in the remotest parts of the north. I shall go up above the high places of the clouds; I shall make myself resemble the Most High.’
“However, down to She'ol you will be brought, to the remotest parts of the pit. Those seeing you will gaze even at you; they will give close examination even to you, [saying,] ‘Is this the man that was agitating the earth, that was making kingdoms rock, that made the productive land like the wilderness and that overthrew its very cities, that did not open the way homeward even for his prisoners?’ All other kings of the nations, yes, all of them, have lain down in glory, each one in his own house. But as for you, you have been thrown away without a burial place for you, like a detested sprout, clothed with killed men stabbed with the sword that are going down to the stones of a pit, like a carcass trodden down. You will not become united with them in a grave, because you brought your own land to ruin, you killed your own people. To time indefinite the offspring of evildoers will not be named."
This king is different from all the other kings in that he will not be buried. That’s because he will be chained in the abyss for 1000 years, then thrown in the lake of fire after he is released for a short time. –Rev 20:1-3,10; Ez 28:18
"This is what happens when we delve too much in their literature"
Do you mean that to be "still delve in their literature" ? hope not, that would mean you dont need the "end of this
system" because they (W/T) have not been able to discuss any meaniful explanation of coming events, and
so many are asking WHY ? their literature seems to be endless, interesting to ones who havent been so
brain washed by it all...but dont see any new ones coming in to the congregations despite all the who ha at the
assemblies,
Yes, I wonder about those books, which were good bible aids, but disappeared into oblivion ...strange
Like to be a fly on the wall at Bethel, in New York, to see if they're really anointed, as they claim in the
governing body or f. & d. slave, no inspiration coming out of that lot, just a lot of "puff & billy" really.
re: During the 5th and 6th trumpet the king of fierce countenance in Daniel will prove to be the devil, who is none other than this “angel of the abyss” that darkened the air with his army of locusts. –Rev 9:1-3
Stone.
Im starting to think you may be right about your theory. Since Satan is cast down to earth knowing he has a very short time, it would make sense the he could be the 'Man of Lawlessness'. But only if God were to grant him the ability to materialize into human form. Unless he is capable of entering and influencing a person like what happened to Judas if this is what you mean.
Guest,
I would appear that the devil will become visible when he is let out of the abyss. (Rev 9:1) He doesn't have anywhere else to go. It was here that he bruised Jesus publicly and it's here that he is going to be bruised in the head publicly. --Gen 3:15