Have Bethel's watchmen fallen asleep?
Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 7:38AM 
1912 WatchtowerAccording to the Watchtower Magazine’s mission statement on the inside cover, the purpose of the Watchtower is to explain the significance of world events in the light of Bible prophecy. Here is what it says specifically:
“Just as watchtowers in ancient times enabled a person to observe developments from afar, so this magazine shows us the significance of world events in the light of Bible prophecies.”
The question posed here is: Has the Watchtower fulfilled its mission statement?
While the Watchtower frequently reminds Jehovah's Witnesses of its supposed prophetic prowess of yesteryear, such as divining the year 1914 and predicting the reformulation of the League of Nations in some form during the waning years of the Second World War, in more recent times the Watchtower seems to have gone silent.
Was it not JF Rutherford, who warned of the dangers of fascism in the United States during the tumult of the Great Depression?
Where is the voice of that watchman today?
After all, what good is a watchman that only reminisces about the past?
The truth is, more and more the Watchtower speaks less and less of world events and prophecy.
A turning point seems to have been the collapse of the Soviet Union. As far back as 1957 the watchtower Society identified the USSR as the latest manifestation of the King of the North. But when that sprawling communist empire suddenly disintegrated in 1991 the Watchtower was left with an embarrassing dilemma. And what was that? The Watchtower’s last significant comment on the prophecy of Daniel was in 1993 and in recognition of the fact that the entity which they identified as the King of the North no longer existed, the Society was compelled to exhort Jehovah's Witnesses not to speculate about who the King of the North may be presently.
So, for the last 20 years Jehovah's Witnesses have not had a clue who the King of the North is. This is a huge embarrassment for Bethel in view of the fact that it is they who insist that the time of the end began in 1914. Yet according to the book of Daniel during the time of the end is when the prophecy of Daniel is unsealed. That being the case, and in view of the fact the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the time of the end began in 1914, why is it that Jehovah's Witnesses have no insight into the identity of the political entity which is destined to play a major role in the outworking of God's purpose? It cannot be both ways. If “we are deep in the time of the end,” as the Watchtower is fond of saying, then it would not be necessary to quell speculation as to the meaning of the prophecy of Daniel.
In other ways it is apparent that the Watchtower Society no longer has any interest in how real world events may fulfill prophecy. As an example, evidently the outline for the special talk of 2010 instructed elders not to make any mention of current events that they felt may be appropriate as regards the intentions of political leaders to bring about the condition of global peace and security. So, the Watchtower has even restricted elders from commenting on the significance of current events.
In recent years the Watchtower Society has even stopped featuring prophecy at the district conventions. It had been part of their formulaic program to feature a prophetic book of the Bible every year and then in the following year the convention material would be presented as study articles in the Watchtower Magazine. But it seems any in-depth consideration of prophecy has gradually been phased out. The last Watchtower Society publication on prophecy considered all the Hebrew prophecies but with virtually no interpretation attached to them. The prophecies were presented only as good lessons to apply in the personal lives of Jehovah's Witnesses.
It is understandable why the Watchtower has so little to say about prophecy. According to the Watchtower nearly all prophecy has already been fulfilled. The Watchtower’s view is not really that much different than the view of Preterism, which is the belief that all prophecy was fulfilled in the first century.
Basically, the only prophecy yet to be fulfilled (according to the Watchtower) is the destruction of organized religion by the political elements of the world. Jehovah's Witnesses have actually been led to expect that out of a clear blue sky the United Nations is suddenly going to outlaw and destroy all religions the globe over, except the watchtower religion. While is not my intent to imply that that will not happen at some point, it should be obvious to thinking persons that no such development is possible in the current political environment. Although influential in some areas, for the most part the United Nations is powerless. But that may not always be the case. However, if the United Nations were to acquire the power necessary to fulfill the prophetic mandate of the eighth king it would require the present ordering of nations to be overturned. And that is exactly what the prophecies foretell. As it stands though, the Watchtower has no insight into this eventuality and no apparent interest in present world developments that are leading up to the greatest upheaval that will ever befall this system of things. From all appearances, the Watchtower has abdicated its role as a watchman.
Ironically the Watchtower itself fits the description of the negligent watchmen in the prophecy of Isaiah, which says: “His watchmen are blind. None of them have taken note. All of them are speechless dogs; they are not able to bark, panting, lying down, loving to slumber. They are even dogs strong in soulful desire; they have known no satisfaction. They are also shepherds that have not known how to understand.” – Isaiah 56:10-11
Reader Comments (30)
I’ve never understood why it’s called the special talk. The only reference to world events was 1914 & 1945. The audience were asked the rhetorical question of how safe they felt walking the streets, I heard a gasp from behind and a few nodding heads as if there were a mugger on every corner. Really our streets have never been safer, the chances of getting mugged in suburbia are slim, yet people acted as if there’s a mugging everyday.
When the crap hits the fan the question will be asked where’s the Watchman, well he’s having a kip in the barn!!! Seriously though WATCHMAN you are doing a great job. Many are aware of your work and have woken up. Yes the talk was disappointing and could have been given anytime between the 1950s down to today. There was too much generalization and little warning about what’s going on in the world around us.
You are right about the outline.
"When discussing 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3, do not make any speculative remarks."
That is the directive in the outline.
Mum is the word.
Have Bethel's watchmen fallen asleep? or Has Satan prepared a people to foretell and prophecy the 'coming' of his "KINGDOM?" Satan breathed life into this organisation right from day one. The 'truth' being man's main intention, became the 'main course', while the devil carefully peppered it with his evil intentions. Always lying at the door where 'truth' may care to peer, squashing with every evil deception the man who tries to contain it by creating boundaries and sweetly inviting men of all nations to join in the feast. They didn't heed these very strong 'DO NOT DO's of our Lord when he warned in Matthew 23:8-12 which says: 8 “Don’t let anyone call you ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. 9 And don’t address anyone here on earth as ‘Father,’ for only God in heaven is your spiritual Father. 10 And don’t let anyone call you ‘Teacher,’ for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted." If they did not heed such warnings we really have to ask, were they ever really listening? In fact, were they ever really even spoken to by Christ at all. Logical reasoning shows that they weren't. And then if not, who's spirit was really directing them. I think the same spirit that is directing them to this very day.
Recognizing the 'truth' and what Jesus teaches, the TRUE 'body of christ' would NEVER go after such things to start off with. On the other hand (and jumping the gun as prophecy clearly shows), Satan and his 'body of anti-christs' have sucked out from the world all who profess to be Christs followers and have chained them within the bonds of world religions. A similar caution needs to be heeded to those following closely the words of E-Watchman on this site. This seems to be yet another case of history repeating itself but under a different guise. Satan keeps humans in anticipation by changinging his form regularly. Don't be fooled because as these days intensify "Gods watchmen" will keep on appearing and Jesus warned us about following such ones. I have nothing against E- Watchman but are completely adament that it is through Jehovah's spirit and this alone that annointed ones are taught. Keep on testing these inspired expressions to see wether they originate with God because as we know Satan too has an interpretation on all scripture and prophecy. We should focus on remaining in God's Love and stop trying to determine prophecy as this is how Satan holds his captives in anticipation. This is what all religions crave today. This is how Satan stunts the growth of anything spiritual. The phisical man will always look to recieve a sign / the spiritual man will patiently wait. Satan WILL deliver and there's no doubt about that !! It is written in scripture. DONT BE FOOLED !!!!
Let me be frank. The apostle advised Christians not to treat prophesying with contempt. Sounds like good advice.
watchman
To this day the Watchtower has made no effort to revise many of their erroneous views of prophecy. Take for example the belief that Jehovah’s Witnesses represent the locusts of Revelation chapter 9 as we go about our world-wide preaching activity under the direction of the angel king of the abyss mistakenly portrayed as Jesus Christ.
In this same chapter of Revelation, the Watchtower wrongly depicts Christ as Abaddon and Apollyon, which mean destroyer both in Hebrew and Greek. Also wrongly depicted are the armies of cavalry in verse 15. This army numbering into the myriads of myriads or 200,000,000 is said to symbolize the anointed among us.
Since the remaining seed of the woman are conquered or killed by the lamb-like beast that came up out of the earth, they could neither represent the locusts nor the armies of cavalry. The locusts and the armies of cavalry are under the direction of the angel king of the abyss. This angel king of the abyss is not Jesus as taught by the Watchtower. He is Nebuchadnezzar's modern-day counterpart at the appointed time of the end, during the great tribulation. He is the despoiler of nations variously depicted in Scripture.
In Genesis 3:15 God said to the serpent:
“And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.”
We know from Scripture that the primary seed of the woman that was bruised in the heel is Jesus. However, the secondary seed of the woman, the heirs of the kingdom, are also bruised. It is after they are conquered (bruised) by the dragon, the original serpent, that Christ calls them up to heaven, as shown in Revelation 11:7-8:
“And when they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer them and kill them. And their corpses will be on the broad way of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was also impaled.”
So it is evident that the locusts and armies of cavalry do not represent Jehovah’s Witnesses or their ministry. This contingent army is without a doubt the army of the modern-day king of the north that will wreak havoc upon the entire world, as symbolized from the untying of the four angels from the river Euphrates.
The Euphrates being to the north of ancient Israel is an apt description of the origin of God’s judgment. It was from this northerly direction that God’s judgment against his rebellious house and the nations in biblical time originated. For example, Nebuchadnezzar and his army was said to have come from that direction as he was sent by God to execute divine judgment.
Therefore, Revelation chapter 9 is describing God’s agent of destruction, the king of the north, as his agent of destruction during the appointed time of the end. This modern king of the north is yet to make his full appearance on the world scene. --Rev 9 & 13
He will be unmasked when the 5th bowl is poured out upon the throne of the wild beast. When the 6th bowl is poured out upon the symbolic river Euphrates from where he will figuratively come from, the way will then be prepared for the kings from the rising of the sun, leading to Har-Magedon and the pouring of the 7th and final plague. –Rev 16.
We need to define the difference between 'contempt for prophecy' and 'fitting prophecy according to our own interpretation.' eg "the operation of error=1914?!! Does the 'spirit of truth' try to confuse us! I think not. Only that it doesn't make any sense when man puts his own spin on things, trying to confine things within their own man-made frame and not God's. Again we need to stop speculating and applying our own interpretation to prophecy for fear we become nothing other than offspring of the WT, continuing to plant where they havn't sown thus carrying on their legacy.
To-be-Frank- Said –
Keep on testing these inspired expressions to see wether they originate with God because as we know Satan too has an interpretation on all scripture and prophecy. We should focus on remaining in God's Love and stop trying to determine prophecy as this is how Satan holds his captives in anticipation. This is what all religions crave today. This is how Satan stunts the growth of anything spiritual. The phisical man will always look to recieve a sign / the spiritual man will patiently wait. Satan WILL deliver and there's no doubt about that !! It is written in scripture.............................................
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So to-be-Frank You do recognize there are inspired expressions or spiritual men attempting to speak the truth from a spiritual perspective using the inspired scriptures as the basis for conclusions put forth. Jesus said THAT his slave class would be feeding the domestics there food at the right time, and there faithfully following thru with this assignment would be the criteria used to reward the slave with all the masters’ belongings….
Yes naturally anyone who digests the food presented by any part of the slave class has the responsibility to test the food making sure it’s not poison obviously.
Can you (to-be Frank) direct me to the slave presenting food worth eating? Or could you personally (to-be-Frank) present me the food of which you speak?
I awaited your reply!!
To-be-Frank- Said –
Recognizing the 'truth' and what Jesus teaches, the TRUE 'body of christ' would NEVER go after such things to start off with. On the other hand (and jumping the gun as prophecy clearly shows), Satan and his 'body of anti-christs' have sucked out from the world all who profess to be Christs followers and have chained them within the bonds of world religions. A similar caution needs to be heeded to those following closely the words of E-Watchman on this site.....................................................
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Can you (to-be-Frank) tell me where the true body of Christ is or where I can be encouraged by them? That understands prophecy accurately and that anyone could put there trust in or be part of the body. Please direct me you seem to have it all figured out due to the fact your statements against Watchman are so confident!!!
Brian
You are not going to get anywhere with To Be 'Frank" in terms of directing you to any religious body or organization. What he will direct to is the Bible so as to put your trust in God and Jesus alone. That sounds reasonable to me. Apparently, he is being cautious, perhaps endeavoring to follow Christ's message recorded in Matthew 10:16-17, which reads as follows:
"Look! I am sending you forth as sheep amidst wolves; therefore prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves. Be on your guard against men; for they will deliver you up to local courts, and they will scourge you in their synagogues."
That is not say however that e-watchman is intentionally misleading anyone, who for the most part is sharing and imparting timely and constructive information to as many who will listen. In that regard, To Be Frank might be a bit overly critical. But that is also understandable. Nobody is perfect.
Yes Claude you likely have a point!
Thanks for your insightful comment!
I just can’t resist beating a dead horse, not that (to-be Frank) is a dead horse!!
:-)
Have Bethel's watchmen fallen asleep?
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No , they didn't !
But they became BLIND !...
...As Jehovah says ( Isaiah 29 )
9. Be delayed and wait,
Blind yourselves and be blind;
They become drunk, but not with wine,
They stagger, but not with strong drink.
10. For the LORD has poured over you a spirit of deep sleep,
He has shut your eyes, the prophets;
And He has covered your heads, the seers.
11. The entire vision will be to you like the words of a sealed book, which when they give it to the one who is literate, saying, "Please read this," he will say, "I cannot, for it is sealed."
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... As Jehovah says (Isaiah 56 )
10. His watchmen are blind,
All of them know nothing.
All of them are mute dogs unable to bark,
Dreamers lying down, who love to slumber;
11. And the dogs are greedy, they are not satisfied
And they are shepherds who have no understanding;
They have all turned to their own way,
Each one to his unjust gain, to the last one.
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On the other hand , "they" are very ACTIVE !
... As Jehovah says ( Jeremiah 9 )
5. "Everyone deceives his neighbor
And does not speak the truth,
They have taught their tongue to speak lies;
THEY WEARY THEMSELVES COMMITTING INIQUITY .
6. "Your dwelling is in the midst of deceit;
Through deceit they refuse to know Me," declares the LORD.
7. Therefore thus says the LORD of hosts,
"Behold, I will refine them and assay them;
For what else can I do, because of the daughter of My people?
The reason i've written these words of caution is that i've seen certain ones clinging onto every word that the watchman writes, and instead of leaving the weak and beggarly elementary things of the WT behind they are replacing it with a renewed, fresh angle only to be no better off than they were before. No longer should we be seeking to follow the shepherds of men but look to follow the only TRUE shepherd Jesus Christ. Don't get me wrong as there is a many bountiful, informative information written here that i wholeheartedly agree with and enjoy reading, but read this in 1 Cor 13:8 "Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in PART and we prophesy in PART. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in PART will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in PART, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love."Again i must reiterate that until that which is complete arrives, prophecy and knowlege will only and ever be in PART and to determine such and put "whole meaning' to these is dangerous. The WT (Christendom) do these very such things and people yearn to peer into such things and are thus attracted to these. Interpretation of prophecy then becomes doctrine and those following and clinging on to the prophets words are misled. We must listen to the sayiings of the holy spirit within us and allow god to operate within us. Don't look to men for such things because they will satisfy your thirst in the meantime but will leave you parched and dying in the end. We need to understand what it means to love God with your WHOLE soul, your WHOLE heart and your WHOLE mind. If we do these things we will no longer seek out the weak and beggarly elementary of these religious systems, in fact this whole worldly system which surrounds us. DON'T ask me or anyone else how to do this, ask God himself- he gives freely and I guarantee he won't disappoint.
For we know in PART and we prophesy in PART. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in PART will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in PART, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
Hi (to-be Frank) I like that scripture also it does sum it up very well!
As I wrote my retorte I was thinking just what you stated!!
Blessing to all earnest seekers of truth!!
Hale Jehovah and his first born son Jesus Christ!!
Good and accurate information for the followers of Jehovah and his Son Jesus Christ.
Also, may I add, outstanding comments from the readers. --thus far...
A Custodian
Thanks Watchman for the articles they are appreciated , and thanks for the comments , and may Jehovah bless us with His Holy Spirit in these times that are fearful.
I wish to apologize for my ignorant and self-righteous posts. I do not mean to offend anyone. Sometimes, I think I know it all. Obviously, I do not.
I have become to covet ewatchman's website and his accurate information. I ask for the forgiveness of everyone involved.
to be 'Frank'
The above post is not from the original 'to be 'Frank'
to be 'Frank,'
I thought your comments were valid and helpful, showing a concern for fellow Christians.
It seems we have a self righteous elder (pharisee) in our midst whom obviously doesn't like hearing scriptual truths. I would like who ever this one is to step out of the darkness and into the light and reveal himself, admit what he's doing and stop trying to bring forth contentions among those seeking honest and truthful answers. Satan too hides behind many guises but on the other hand our Lord Jesus is in plain view for all who want to see. Let see if this one too can offer something productive, insightful, scriptual, reasonable to the table, otherwise if all you want to do is idolize and follow the watchman then i reccommend maybe you do just that and avoid reading the comments that have been opened up into the public arena.
Sons of God, the seed of Abraham, are persons taught by Jehovah. His spirit bears witness with ours and unlocks the truth from the pages of the bible. We know the scriptures are inspired by God because the holy spirit confirms it to us. John told us to test inspired expressions – in order to varify their source – this can only be achieved by means of holy spirit.
So when Jesus mentioned a ‘faithful and discreet slave’providing food just before he arrives in glory, he wasn’t referring to a ‘teacher’ becuase our only teacher is God. He is talking about faithful sons obediently listening to what the spirit says. Then there is the evil slave who does not obey but instead hassels his fellow slaves. This pattern outlined in many of Jesus’ stories.
Although we are not taught by one another we can encourage, exhort and share the things we have been taught with one another. Each of us having different gifts of the spirit. Sometimes we need readjustment.
So, I thank Robert for his work and making this comment facility available for such an interchange.
fair dinkum
Hark! Do I see or here an Israelite with a kind heart?
Well put!!! All thought remember one of the gift’s of spirit is being a teacher, but with a warning!!!
Brian::: You can alllways tell its mi froome the por speling and the bad grammer :-)
Watchman,
You state that, QUOTE: "[Jesus] also went on to say that the tribulation will be a time of unprecedented distress upon all the nations of the earth (not just Jerusalem), of such severity that the continued existence of humanity will hang in the balance. The great tribulation will necessitate divine intervention in order to save mankind from extinction." UNQUOTE
Just WHERE does Jesus say or imply that the great tribulation will be upon 'all the nations' and so severe as to threaten the survival of humanity? Jesus says NO SUCH THING about the tribulation! The nations' 'becoming faint out of fear' does NOT happen DURING, but IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation is FINISHED! (Lu.21:25-28 = Mat.24:29-31!)
The tribulation is CAUSED by the nations and directed AGAINST Christianity and those holding fast to their belief in Christ, as Jesus himself said: "You will be objects of hatred by ALL THE NATIONS on account of MY NAME!"
Paul confirms this scenario in 2Thes.1:6, where "it is righteous on God's part to repay tribulation to THOSE WHO MAKE TRIBULATION for you, [during the 'great tribulation'] but, to YOU WHO SUFFER TRIBULATION, relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven," 'immediately after' the tribulation is finished." Paul's statement would make no sense IF the WHOLE WORLD were to suffer during the great tribulation.
The great tribulation is ONLY ON THOSE professing Christ, while ALL THE NATIONS, who are CAUSING this persecution are living carefree and easy, or as Daniel puts it, "during freedom from care, even into the fatness of the jurisdictional district," when many 'Christians' will be brought to their ruin. (Da 8:25)
At this point, the vast majority of Christendom, including JWs, will be deceived into accepting the 'incoming kingdom' and its 'christ' as the real deal and receive the mark of the beast, which will enable them to BUY AND SELL, joining the miraculously successful and prosperous global NWO.
So we must expect a tribulation or persecution against Christianity, which is "a holy place," UNTIL the start of Christ's parousia, his COMING on the clouds with power and glory, to set off Armageddon. The great tribulation is a PERSECUTION of a MINORITY - Armageddon is the DESTRUCTION of the MAJORITY.
The 'cutting short' of the tribulation is to enable CHRISTIANS to survive IN THE FLESH to see Jesus coming on the clouds of heaven to collect the chosen ones from EARTH'S extremity to heaven's extremity! It is genuine Christians that are in danger of becoming extinct, not MANKIND as such, as you erroneously imagine.
Also, the tribulation does not occur DURING Christ's presence, as you claim, but IMMIDEATELY BEFORE his coming and subsequent presence in kingdom power. That is, of course, not to exclude any possible future collapses of financial and political systems, resulting in wars and reports of wars, along with devastations and tremendous loss of life, but such possible developments have got NOTHING to do with the GREAT TRIBULATION as prophesied by Jesus.
To the contrary, he expressly forewarned us from being misled by these precursory events, purporting to be signs of his presence, directly contradicting YOUR idea of, QUOTE: "The great tribulation is to be immediately preceded by global war, food shortages, pandemics, and earthquakes in various places." UNQUOTE
If you look at Mat.24, you might notice that verses 7 and 8, 'nation against nation' etc, form a contextual pericope, CONTRASTING with the 'wars and rumours of wars' that do NOT CONSTITUTE THE END, and of which Jesus warned "the end is not yet," IMPLYING that the 'nation against nation' scenario is to happen at the final and 'real' end, AFTER the great tribulation when he COMES on the clouds of heaven in power and glory, exactly the OPPOSITE of what YOU are predicting.
This sequence of events is further confirmed by comparing the pericope of Mat.24:7,8 with it's equivalent in Luke 21:10,11, where along with 'nation against nation' we find the additional identifying spectacle of "FEARFUL SIGHTS and from HEAVEN great SIGNS," which clearly locate the fulfilment of this passage AFTER the coming of Christ on the clouds of heaven, where according to verse 25 (Lu 21) "there will be SIGNS in sun and moon and stars [ i.e. heaven]...while men become FAINT out of FEAR" etc.
Also, Luke 21 informs us that the nations are UNITEDLY trampling Jerusalem underfoot UNTIL Christ's coming to be present, immediately after the end of the great tribulation, and are therefore not fighting EACH OTHER DURING THAT TIME!
Hence, the 'nation against nation,' 'fearful sights,' great signs from heaven, great earthquakes, darkened sun, falling stars, etc. are all developments to take place AFTER Christ comes on the clouds of heaven to start the conclusion of the system of things, upon the glorious and victorious NWO, worshipped by ALL those dwelling on the earth.
That the 'nation against nation' development is to occur as the very LAST OF ALL the things prophesied, is also expressly spelled out by Jesus in Lu.21:12, where he says regarding it, that "BEFORE ALL THESE THINGS, i.e. before 'nation against nation,' the entire great tribulation, and again, its precursory 'wars and rumours of wars,' will have to happen first!
You are heavily deluded by the lie of the WT-anointed that Jesus' coming on the clouds happens 'immediately after' the "START" of the great tribulation, in direct contradiction of Jesus' word about his coming 'immediately after' the FINISH of the great tribulation against Christianity! Thus the trap is set for all those who believe this WT lie to accept the 'christ' that will appear at the START of the great tribulation as the promised Messiah! Woe to those thus misled.
As to the 'holy place,' it is not as you suppose the body of Christ. The Roman armies did not infiltrate and take over the Christian congregation in the first century, nor is anything even remotely like that to take place in the final fulfilment.
However, the disgusting thing DID occupy and then devastate the traditional and ceremonial place and institution of worship of the God of the Bible, however much corrupted at that time, the same position that is now occupied by the realm of those confessing Christ, Christianity, or Christendom, if you like, composed of ALL the Churches including the WT, and from which the chosen ones were to flee in order to escape the predicted trampling and desolation.
Your position of identifying 'Jerusalem' and the 'holy place' exclusively with the WT sect, is just as myopic as the WT's identifying it with the 'Churches of Christendom,' from which it imagines itself to be separate, because the 'holy place' has reference to God's 'nominal people,' comprised of ALL 'Christian' religious organizations including the WT.
You don't realize how much your WT-centric exegesis is blinding you to the dangers of falling for another re-run of a fake and premature fulfilment of the parousia of Christ, only worse this time because of it being the final and terminal deception involving acceptance of the kingdom of the antiChrist.
I am not having a go at you, just trying to stir up your clear thinking faculties, for you to snap out of the WT spell and its Pavlovian conditioning that has blinded you to the plain meaning of the Word of God, before it is too late.
Where does Jesus say the tribulation will be upon all the nations?
Luke 21:35 - "...For it will come in upon all those dwelling upon the face of all the earth. "
Revelation 3:10 - "I will also keep you from the hour of test, which is to come upon the whole inhabited earth, to put a test upon those dwelling on the earth."
The above comment by 'Proxygnosis' was reposted here unauthorised; it pertains to the "Jehovah's witnesses and the holy place" article in the 'Featured' section.
What is important and the King of the North are it's characteristics and my view Russia still has the same beast like qualities. Recently again this beast is attacking Jehovah's people yet again so it maybe yet that the Russian bear rears it's ugly head.
What identifies the King of North is it's relationship with Jehovah's people as was the case with Nazi Germany. If events show that the King of the North is not Russia & it's allies it won't matter, more often than not prophecy is made more clear after the event.
It is interesting that you mention the King of the North as being Great Britain but I am not convinced, it reminds me of those persons who prescribe to the British-Israel religion. In their case of course they see that the Royal family of England as being true Israel of God.
Meanwhile, I see no proplem with identifying the King of the North as Russia & it's allies as already meanwhile if prophecy once fulfilled shows differently, I will thank Jehovah.
Your bro. Vic
Robert I just want to say thank you, for your time, effort and patience in helping to unveil the errors which have held many in shackles for so long. You are a humble individual who has helped direct so many lost sheep to a clearer understanding of what is going on within the Watch tower organisation. My prayers were answered when I found your website, it confirmed in my heart what I already knew was taking place. Jehovah has used you as an oasis, for those thirsting.
Keep up the good work brother :-)
Blessings
Shikinah
Oh and by the way, you may want to check the podcast comments section, when you were removing the spam posts from the mark of the beast article,all except the one that pretends to be me as a sister, you locked everything down, including questions from readers, but you must have forgot podcast comments.
TO: 'Fair dinkum' R U the 'BOY FROM OZ' ??
Do you believe, as I do, that this FORUM is being 'found' by the 'true Sons of the Kingdom who are fortold in DANIEL , roving about to find the refreshing true light of PROPHECY, as we are now in the END TIME & need to know what the 'assignment' will be in the 42months Gt Tribulation (Rev 13) the BEAST is given authority to conquer the Holy Ones...
the Watchman & others commenting here, feel that all the REMNANT will be killed,,,,, but Apostle Paul said in Corinthians that "not ALL will taste death, but will be changed inthe TWINKLING OF AN EYE" commonly called the 'rapture'
Do you have any comments,,,,,,also can you find the true pronounciation of YHWH.....the WTB&TS have ABUSED the name "JEHOVAH" in my opinion. they have been USING IT to bring reproach & shame on our Heavenly Father..... Cheers
There are those that point to a time in the past when the Watchtower was still a “good” organization that cared about the truth and somehow this “good” organization became bad as the years went by. This is simply not the case. From the very start, the organization was created as a tool of the elite to control the unthinking masses. One only needs to look at the freemason Charles Russell who was buried under a pyramid tombstone. From the start, this organization was tool to enslave the common man.
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Mr. Watchmen,
did you or did you not read the holy bible fully?
what did Jesus tell his disciples about identifying?
John 13:34, 35
34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
I do accept Jehovah's witnesses have problems among them, let me remind you, watchmen the people whom jehovah chose the Israelites, they did have problems. It's no better today, we live in last days and there are people inside Jehovah's witnesses who hide their identity, or as you said painted outside. But Jehovah wouldn't see those who are wicked, he sees for those are obedient, righteous like JOB.
Finally I have an answer why Bethel's watchmen has fallen asleep?
It's not they have fallen asleep.
Proverbs 13:16
16 All who are prudent act with[b] knowledge,
but fools expose their folly.
Thats what Jehovah's witnesses are doing, are you thinking they are asleep. My friend please stop what you are doing, when Jesus makes the separation of Goat and sheep. You will have your suprise