The End of an Empire
Saturday, December 11, 2010 at 7:39AM 
The world is in a very unsettled state right now and it is becoming more unstable by the day. The recent attack upon the British Royal family, Prince Charles and Camilla, by the mob of student protestors, is emblematic of the intensifying conflict. The underlying reality that is shaping events like this is the fact that the world's economic system is collapsing. The financiers that have for several centuries been grouped around the British monarchy and the City of London are becoming more and more desperate to keep their money empire from coming unraveled. That can be seen in the ongoing bailouts and money printing and the demands placed upon the debtors for greater and greater sacrifice. Apparently no sacrifice is considered too great. Ultimately, the nations are being asked to commit suicide for the preservation of the financial oligarchy. This is what it has come down to. But the game will soon be up. All it takes to bring down the system is one default. The bankers know it. That is why they held a gun to the head of Ireland and demanded they hand over the pensioner's funds. So, if the Irish hand over their 17 billion Euro pension fund as collateral they will save the financial system for a few more weeks. Next, though, comes Portugal, Spain and maybe Belgium. Germany, the only real powerhouse of the EU, is being pressured to bail out the loser PIIGS, or rather the bankers who own the debt of the PIIGS. But, again, if one big debtor defaults then it will set into motion the credit-default swaps and you will have another situation like the collapse of Lehmans and Bear Stearns two years ago that nearly brought the whole thing down. Only now the amounts of money involved are many times greater. The certainty of the blowout is driving the empire to enmesh the nations in nuclear war. And right on cue the United States has declared it is making an all-out push for peace and security in the Mideast.
Reader Comments (65)
Hmm lets hope this is the real deal, real deal as in the end is truely soon.
Ok let’s say that this is it, the final collapse of the financial system is here and it as been brought down to the point of total collapse. What does that mean as far as Bible prophecy is concern? Is it the fall of the 7th king? Is it the wild beast going into the abyss? Is it the start of the GT? (Remember though, the GT does not start until after Matt 24:15, says Matt 24:21, and 24:15 has not happen as of yet.)
So again what does the collapse mean to us as far as it relates to Bible prophecy?
Amos
Yes, the beast going into the abyss. Of course, they are not going to let the thing just crash. They are going to blow the world up. War. This is what I have been going on about for a few years now. Once things begin they will transpire very quickly.
Ok, the beast going into the abyss. I suppose that beast is also the 7th king, right? So if that is the case we have what amounts to Rev 13:3/Rev 17:8,10b (but when he does arrive he must remain a short while)
So this takes place due to the collapse but as you say it will be more then just the financial system going down during this time because they (whoever they are) will also take this opportunity to start a war.
Is this collapse coupled with war that sends the beast into the abyss, due to the death stoke upon it, ending the short while that it was aloud to remain, the beginning of the GT? Again if so doesn’t Matt 24:15 have to happen first?
Head Lines should read – as follows
“Satan tightens the screws”
Pompous pathetic presumptuous pious – prince & princes are in the cross hairs due to ever evolving austerity.
Amos
The WT has always taught that the seals of Revelation are unsealed in rapid sequence. The problem they are saddled with is trying to reconcile the now-nearly a century since the time the first five seals were supposedly opened and the yet-to-be-opened 6th seal, which commences the GT. My suggestion is these things will transpire over a much shorter time period in the near future.
To Amos,
Perhaps 3 and a half years?
42 months?
When the trampling on those who profess to be God's people will occur?
The same time period as the event of the "two witnesses"?
Ok, your saying that the GT commences with the opening of the 6th seal, which now I am getting off track because my question to you is what stage would you say we are at when the deathstoke,abyssing/end of 7th king occurs? Your not saying the opening of the 6th seal is the deathstoke are you? Anyway the way I see it, according to the following scriptures, Rev 6:12 and Matt 24:29 are speaking of the same time and according to Matt 24:29 it says, after the tribulation. So how can the 6th seal start the GT? It seems that instead it starts the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah/ the Son of man coming on the clouds, which would seem to be Armageddon. So seals 1-4 seem to be the GT, especially seal 4 (Rev 6:7,8), which seems to be the same as Matt 24:7,8.
Rev 6:12 And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and a great earthquake occurred; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the entire moon became as blood, 13 and the stars of heaven fell to the earth
(Matthew 24:29) “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
(Joel 2:31) The sun itself will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah.
(Acts 2:20) the sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the great and illustrious day of Jehovah arrives.
Matthew 24:7,8 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
Revelation 6:7,8 And when he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say: “Come!” 8 And I saw, and, look! a pale horse; and the one seated upon it had the name Death. And Ha´des was closely following him. And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by the wild beasts of the earth.
To Tony,
I have no idea what you are posting in reference to what I am asking Robert.
Lol :)
Tony: I am saying that it appears we is at the end of the system.
There seems to be a bit of a mix up here. The post after FutureMan’s post is addressed to you Robert. The bottom part that says “To Tony” was addressing FutureMan’s post to me that said “To Amos”. (I know you knowing who I am could cause you to think that perhaps I was signing my name as Tony.)
P.S. The only thing I would like to add to that post is that I meant seals 1-5 not just 1-4
To Watchman, I agree with you as it does appear that we are at the end of this system.
I guess we will just have to wait and see how it pans out.
To Amos,
Sorry I might have got of on the wrong tangent as to my response to you and what Watchman had stated.
But I'm actually in some agreement with you about the ride of the fourth horseman as I think that we are there.
My theory or opinion if you like, is that the previous three horsemen have already ridden and now it is just the fourth that is yet to ride as to the opening of the fourth seal. The most devastating of the four horsemen.
This is not to be contrary to what Robert says, but just stating what I myself personally believe.
As to my statement of three and a half years, I feel that it could be the same time period as the event of the three and a half years and the trampling upon God's people, because of what happens at the opening of the 5th and sixth seal.
First Jesus brothers and the brothers of those already slaughtered for their faith and who are dead under the altar, will be killed because of the Witness that they gave, at the end of the three and a half years.
And then this is when God and Jesus, will hold them to account, those who had killed his witnesses that is.
Revelation 6 [LITV]
17 because the great day of His wrath has come; and who is able to stand?
Of course there are some Christians who study Bible prophecy today that are under the opinion that there are two periods of 3 and a half years that make 7 years all told, for the trampling to occur upon those who profess to be God's people and for the period of the great tribulation, because of it mentioning in chapter 11 and verse 2 of 42 months and then a period of 1260 days for the two witnesses to prophesy and also because it does mention another time period of 3 and a halftimes in Revelation 12:14, which seems to equate with what Daniel's prophecy had stated.
Revelation 12 [LITV]
14 And two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness, to her place, where she is nourished there a time, and times, and half a time, away from the serpent's face.
But the prophet Daniel's prophecy seems to indicate that this is only a time period of 3 times and a half a time.
Daniel 7 [LITV]
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings; they shall rise, and another shall rise after them. And he shall be different from the first, and he shall humble three kings.
25 And he shall speak words against the Most High, and he shall wear out the saints of the Most High. And he intends to change times and law. And they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and one half time.
But after this it states that this Kingdom, the one that arises after the ten kings (ten horns) is going to first humiliate three of them and then it's own power and ruler-ship will be taken away by the God's Kingdom which will be sitting in judgment at that time after the three and a half times are up.
Many understand that three and a half times is equal to three and a half years.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his ruler-ship, to cut off and to destroy until the end.
27 And the kingdom and ruler-ship, and the greatness of the kingdom under all the heavens shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom. And all kingdoms shall serve and obey Him.
And then as the scripture mentions the power of this kingdom, will be given to the saints or in the NWT, the Holy ones of the Supreme one (JAH), (YHWH)
But according to the opening of the sixth seal, this is when the Kingdom of God and of his Christ is firmly established and in full control over the earth.
This is also the appointed time for God's servants to receive their reward and the dead to be judged and also for God to bring to ruin those that are destroying the earth.
Revelation 11 [LITV]
15 And the seventh angel trumpeted. And there were great voices in Heaven, saying, The kingdoms of the world became our Lord's, even of His Christ; and He shall reign to the ages of the ages.
16 And the twenty four elders sitting before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God,
17 saying, We thank You, Lord God Almighty, the One who is, and who was, and who is coming, because You took Your great power and reigned.
18 And the nations were full of wrath; and Your wrath came, and the time of the judging of the dead, and to give the reward to Your slaves, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to the ones fearing Your name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those destroying the earth.
19 And the temple of God in Heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple, and lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and a great hail occurred.
Very interesting article, the times are surely changeing. Although interesting, the sequence of events of prophecy seem to be a little askew. I read the articles because they make me think, and ponder of how when etc. I also want to mention that I value the posters who post, as much as the articles. I think that although I am not destined to be a king in Heaven, I feel that some posters surely must be.Although Jehovahs Witnesses have taken Gods name,I am not sure how He has used them. I suspect they are in for a rude awakening, those who know, and continue with the lies that is! Cyrus was Jehovahs servent, even though he was not a worshiper of the True God. So those who so often hold their heads up high, being puffed with the knowledge that they are the only ones to be saved, may have to learn the lesson that the first will be last, and the last will be first!
Here's my question for Watchman.
How do you suppose the King of the North(England) is going to rival over the King of the South(USA) if England is collapsing at a faster rate..... Shouldn't it be the other way around?
In the 13th chapter of Revelation, John reported that he saw in vision a composite wild beast that came up out of the sea. Then he saw another beast with horns like a lamb that came out of the earth, which then created an image of the first beast for everyone to worship under pain of death. Later John reported that the wild beast and the false prophet were caught and thrown into the lake of fire that burns with sulphur. This false prophet is none other than the devil, the beast with two horns like a lamb that ascended out of the earth, as shown by the fact that it began speaking as a dragon.
Some are of the opinion that the Anglo-American dual world power is the beast that is going to go into the abyss and in short order morph into a tyrannical global empire headed by the 8th king. What we should be expecting, is not a beast that is going to go into the abyss, but one that is going to rise from the sea followed by another that will come up out of the earth, which then goes on to solidify its authority by creating an image of the first beast.
It is interesting to note that the whole world is on a collision course with God’s incoming kingdom. So the demonic principalities which are really the rulers of this world are ill at ease, knowing that their world is coming to an end. So they are bent on massing the nations together as one against God and Christ.
This process involves a gradual general breakdown of the nation state system, which has the effect of stripping people of their basic human rights and dignity. As people revolt against the system that is taken away their freedom, chaos and anarchy will result, so much so that tension will rise among the nations possibly to a point of a nuclear exchange. People the world over will be crying for peace and security. But things will have gone too far to a point of no return.
Christ will then open the 4th seal and unleash the great tribulation which will selectively reduce the world’s population by one fourth. It is then that the composite beast will rise from the sea of confused humanity. It will be empowered for forty-two months, during which time it will subjugate the whole world.
Under this scenario Christ will have empowered 144,000 servants who will serve as end time prophets to proclaim the nearness of his incoming kingdom. They will preach in sackcloth for 1260 days bringing many to a right standing with Christ until they are conquered by the wild beast.
This will bring to an end the seven-trumpet plagues, followed by the seven bowls or last plagues during the remaining 75 days of the tribulation, which God will pour out upon the wicked undiluted. “These are the last ones, because by means of them the anger of God is brought to a finish.” (Rev 15:1) In all the tribulation will last for a period of 1335 days. –Da 12:12
Stone says re: What we should be expecting, is not a beast that is going to go into the abyss, but one that is going to rise from the sea followed by another that will come up out of the earth, which then goes on to solidify its authority by creating an image of the first beast.
And just how is it that a powerful entity rises from no where to take on the US??
STONE:
So do you think "this is it"? My research shows that there is (1) tribe of Levi that doesnt get the blessing or
the assignment in the Gt. Trib....mentioned in Rev 7: spelling out the names of Jacobs sons, only Manaseh was
NOT Jacobs son..Gen 49 there are thousands of the professed Remnant still in the B-org,,and are they ready
"to come out" & do they know about the 2witnesses in sackcloth telling the Good news to the world & Kings
BTW in verse 5 of Rev 13 (havent got my notes) the 2Witnesses (approved Remnant) will have AUTHORITY over All things on earth, & will NOT be harmed by anybody or anything for the duration of the Gt Tribulation......
the Wild Beast in the meantime, persecutes ONLY true Christians who will REFUSE the Mark of the Beast, some
will be killed, but NOT the Remnant, whose message will be given without hindrance for 1260 days....then Jesus
says "come on up here" to God's throne where there are thrones for them , & Rev 11:15 The Kingdom arrives, in
ALL its glory,,,,,Jesus takes the incense & prayers from the holy ones & presents them on the ALTER B4 GOD,
&&& it is the that He hurls "fire" towards the earth,,,,etc
Armagedon will not include Christians, who have already been separated into sheep & goats, & will b protected
during God's war....remember Jehovah has already sent 200,000,000 angels to take out 1/3 population on earth
so the rest will have to deal with the Bowls of Gods anger
the 7th angel blows the 7th Trumpet in accordance with the inauguration of the glorious KINGDOM, not ahmagedon.
FutureMan:::
Thank you so much for giving us those scriptures, as it helps to reply to your comment, and
help others to meditate on these "insights" and even to do some research in their own Bible for themselves,
Just a quick reply as my time is short today, the boo k of Daniel's prophecies really do fit in with Revelation.,
here's a few line-ups for you: Daniel 7:24 lines up with the 10 Kings who are empowered for (1) hour=
the Hour of Test IMO: these "kings" are the 10 Unions e.g. European union, coming Nth American union etc
more on this later but you can look this up, google Club of Rome::: to get the map
Revelation is repetitive, in few chapters, eg Rev 11;2 = 42 MTHS / Rev 13 wild beast given authority 42mths
Daniel 8 : 2300 morn & evenings "in the time of the end" IMO the first half of the gt. trib began in OCT 2008
with the beginning of the coming total worldwide financial collapse ::: (lost a considerable amt of superannuation
from the collapse of Lehmen Bros myself, which WOKE ME UP)
This 3 1/2 yrs is the TIME given for the scripture in Rev 12:14 to be fulfilled,,thank you once again Futureman,
you helped me to connect the dots, here....so imo we still have 18 or so months until the final 3 1/2 yrs or
1260 days of the Gt Tribulation....there are more signs & more political happenings, even if the days are now
darker & countries have LOST their sovereignties, ,,,,already are being referred to as STATES or UNIONS
we in OZland are part of the ASIAN-PACIFIC UNION..
KUDOS to e-Watchman for his amazing work and helping to fulful prophecy,,,Yes, "the woman was given
2 wings of the great Eagle to fly into the wilderness to be FED (3 1/2 yrs) AWAY from the face of the DEVIL
(Evil slave included)
WE are now gathering together OUTSIDE the Camp.....Praise JAH !!!!
Elena-maree what do you mean by gathering together outside the camp?
To ?,
Cyrus saved the remnant from Babylon, whom returned to the promised land.
Mr. Watchman Hello,
Will you ever become a Witness of Jehovah again?
Alex,
The point is YHWH can use whoever he wants, and it may not be as the wise and proud have said it to be, but he may reveal His Knowledge and how it will come about to the lowly humble, who understand they are nothing, in camparision to the grand design of what will surely happen. I have a question who was Jesus refering to when he said at a time that you do not think ? Is this just one part of the end? Everyone is expecting something soon, can someone explain ?
Peace
Guest
I have not said that the UK is the king of the north. The king of the north is the British empire. There is a difference. The British empire is basically a money empire headquatered in London but it exerts its power and influence though the central banking systems and the financial markets. For example, the US Federal Reserve bank is actually a private bank who owners names are not publicly known. The empire influences and controls the nations primarily through this means, but also it uses other methods, such as through the corporate media and acedemiia.
Alex
I have never stopped being a witness for Jehovah
It’s official: Ron Paul to lead House Federal Reserve oversight, Watchman do you know anything abouit this guy.Is there any chance he can end the privately owned fed?
http://www.infowars.com/it%E2%80%99s-official-ron-paul-to-lead-house-federal-reserve-oversight/
I don't think he knows who he is messing with. The owners of the Federal Reserve are the core of the empire, which some refer to as the Illuminati. In any case, they are the most ruthless of men. They run assassination squads. They can deploy terrorists assets. They use blackmail. They can do some really nasty stuff. So, no, Ron Paul is not going to bring down the banking mafia. However, having said that, it appears as if there is pressure coming against the banker's empire from many quarters. I suspect we might have entered into the "pushing" that precipitates the empire triggering global war which will ultimately subjugate the republican form of government.
EWatchman,
You wrote to Alex, " I have never stopped being a witness for Jehovah". This is exactly my point I have tried to get across to many people that feel that because you, me and others have not attended a Kingdom for a while or are no longer welcome there because of disagreements about doctrine, that this does NOT mean that a person no longer worships Jehovah.
Matters do get complex at times but I will always try to worship Jehovah as best as I can.
Check your voice mail as I have left a question or two for your podcast.
KIM
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Elena-maree,
Hello. Good posts......
KIM
My bad, that should read a "Kingdom Hall" for a while.....
Kim must remember to proof read a post and not show dumb mistakes..........LOL
KIM
"I don't think he knows who he is messing with. The owners of the Federal Reserve are the core of the empire, which some refer to as the Illuminati. In any case, they are the most ruthless of men. They run assassination squads. They can deploy terrorists assets. They use blackmail. They can do some really nasty stuff. So, no, Ron Paul is not going to bring down the banking mafia. However, having said that, it appears as if there is pressure coming against the banker's empire from many quarters. I suspect we might have entered into the "pushing" that precipitates the empire triggering global war which will ultimately subjugate the republican form of government."
Actually I do think he knows who he is dealing with, this has been going on as long as the USA has been a country. He may feel courage because of differebt reasons, and support of some. I suspect that what you suspect about the pushing may be right on! at any rate perlious times are pressing forward!
KIM::
Hello again, and its ok not to proof read, my mistakes are hilarious, and its happening too much, but
"thems are the breaks" ... what it means is .....don't sweat the small stuff ..!! in relation to those who
demand a 'story' from us,,,,,,do you still believe in Jehovah ?? my reply is ==== are you deaf, dumb or
BLIND ? my problem is TIME ,,,typing too fast & not proof reading.....so ?
Lets just talk about where we are in the "stream of time today"....its not even applicable to research into
the "evil slave's activity" over these past 100 odd years,,,nor the millions of flesh & blood human beings
who were MISLED in their devotion to the true GOD YHWH....
Suddenly its getting rather serious,, but lets not run ahead folks,,,,,,the events leading up to the Gt. Trib.
will b shocking enough and for all the true Christians who have been controlled & misled, in the name of GOD
remember that HE will NOT FORSAKE you,,,,,for IN GOD WE TRUST .. amen
Elena-maree,
Yes, time is short for all things. All of us must "keep watch" and continue to persevere. For many things will happen and frighten all people.
It is amazing how the general population is so asleep when it comes to those things that truly matter. Not saying we are special or better, but, trying to explain what is important to friends, relatives and so forth;... many have begun to give that look of "deer in headlights" expression and then they run away and look back as if we are stupid or worse!
As long as Jehovah's will takes place on this planet, I would hope all of us would be happy that soon a paradise and eternal life will be available for those that are approved. Of course, scary, trying and dangerous times await all of us that much is for sure.
Take care and may Jehovah's will take place in Heaven and also upon the Earth. AMEN.
KIM
Yep wont be easy when the GT comes around, i'm worried but hopefull. At least when the GT starts we all know the end is closer then ever before.
Daniel the prophet saw a kingdom for our day that would devour, trample down and crush ALL the earth.
At present we still live in a world of independent nation states, undevoured, untrampled and uncrushed.
Once ALL the earth is subjugated by this coming, global beast - which in time will itself be superseded by a group of ten distinct kings - an eleventh king will rise up among the ten, and by conquest reduce their number to seven,
after which this fierce king will start the great tribulation against all those still professing Christ at that time.
Are current developments, therefore, even remotely related to the start of the time of the end?
Not according to the plain, prophetic Word of God! (Da 7)
Should this realization then, cause us to become heedless of current events?
By no means.
But we should be wary of 'jumping the gun' again by accepting the lie that the promised kingdom of God is just around the next corner!
Watchman said:
I have not said that the UK is the king of the north. The king of the north is the British empire. There is a difference. The British empire is basically a money empire headquatered in London but it exerts its power and influence though the central banking systems and the financial markets. For example, the US Federal Reserve bank is actually a private bank who owners names are not publicly known. The empire influences and controls the nations primarily through this means, but also it uses other methods, such as through the corporate media and acedemiia.
Okay. So somehow the British money empire is going to pull the plug on the US Federal Reserve. Is this basically what your saying? And you think they are presently trying to do this by influencing them with the US war machine and catapulting the debt into the stratosphere?
BOO!! Anyone still awake? LOL
Quote Proxy
(Daniel the prophet saw a kingdom for our day that would devour, trample down and crush ALL the earth.
At present we still live in a world of independent nation states, undevoured, untrampled and uncrushed.
Once ALL the earth is subjugated by this coming, global beast - which in time will itself be superseded by a group of ten distinct kings - an eleventh king will rise up among the ten, and by conquest reduce their number to seven,
after which this fierce king will start the great tribulation against all those still professing Christ at that time.
Are current developments, therefore, even remotely related to the start of the time of the end?
Not according to the plain, prophetic Word of God! (Da 7)
Should this realization then, cause us to become heedless of current events?
By no means.
But we should be wary of 'jumping the gun' again by accepting the lie that the promised kingdom of God is just around the next corner!)
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Greetings Proxy
Just a question you have talked about political postulating and kings in this order and that order and then finally 10 kings stand up or did you say seven oh there will be an eleventh king and then that will bring about seven. It’s at this point we sit up and take notice or it will just around the corner then?
Correct?
Now you know this by understanding the prophecy of Daniel- that by the way is sealed until the time of the end right? So if you have unlocked the understanding of Daniels prophecy then we are in the time of the end right?
I’m just asking!!
Brian,
I like your hopeful, though logical, deductions - with regard to my quoting the sequence of events prophesied in Daniel 7 - to the effect that we are already living in the 'time of the end,'
only that, since I did not offer an interpretative application of Daniel's material but merely provided a summary of his vision - because at this stage of affairs it is not at all apparent just which 'totally different' beast is going to trample the whole world underfoot -
it follows that we are still living in pre-eschatological times and ought to keep an open mind about possible scenarios that could develop to fulfil prophecy - while at the same time not getting overly excited and quickly shaken from our reason, to the effect that the 'day of Jehovah' and the 'time of the end' are already underway.
There can be no 'great tribulation' against Christianity prior to the trampling of the whole earth underfoot by this 'unique' beast - out of which eventually a 'small' but 'fierce' 'horn' will arise to wage war against the holy ones.
Daniel is quite adamant: a 'beast' that is 'different' will devour all the earth, THEN, 10 'horns' will arise out of it, AFTER which a small horn will come up among the 10 and 'pluck up' 3 of its predecessors. THEN the start of the great tribulation against Christianity, including the holy ones.
Whatever 'beast' might once upon a time have controlled the 'whole earth,' certainly does not do so NOW!
Since both the WT-anointed and amazingly, even Watchman himself are expecting the 'great tribulation' to be imminent, it follows that any catastrophic event of global proportions, that will eventually come about in one shape or another, is but one more demon inspired 'false flag operation' to mislead if possible even the chosen ones.
When will these guys [and spirits] ever get a life!
Anyhow, thanks for your astute observation.
PROXY ::
You are right about the fact, that the world is already being referred to by the "Biggies" == Bilderbergers : Illuminatii
Club of Rome etc all Freemasons ::::: When C.T. Russell became President of the IBSA there were people in 'high places'
his father for instance, who were FREEMASONS with the right connections:::::
Did you know that the King James Bible, was edited by a Freemason ?? Sir Francis Bacon (U,K) also Sir Isaac Newton
whom the WT have glorified in ther writings apart from the "Founding Fathers" the Republican Presidents from
George Washinton, to George Bush,,,,alll Freemasons, (Skull & Bones = Bohemian Grove )
Their Plan is well along, and already the Sovereignties of each country has been taken away,,,& its just around the
next corner the "announcement" these will b the 10 UNIONS = the ten Kings given one (1) hour of Power with the
Wild Beast ?
Forgive me for my digress( ion) lost the track, yes, the three (3) horns in Daniel could be the 3 most powerful UNIONS ?
check out WIKILEAKS while its still online,,,they will pull it soon,,,,,,, Julian Assange has been set up with the charges
from Sweden, but if he lives (you cant expose the Gov. secrets ) its a lot like the B-org, .....zapped out of existence
Julian's mother, lives in the area of the Sunshine Coast, that we live in, and she is being supported by the local
community, in fact, has been assisted by the daily 'shine coast paper (accompanied by one of their journalists) to
be ithere in London, to support him..or say goodbye...
Who do you estimate is the KING of the North ( with the 'fierce countenance Daniel saw & became fearful of the
events).....got to be CHINA/RUSSIA....the Lords of London ARE NOT really the wherewolves of London are they??
the ALPHA DOGS as the US called Putin...
Yes, me too, am wondering WHY the jump to the conclusion of the system of things....the 4 ANGELS holding back
the 4winds of destruction is "God's TIMETABLE " Lets talk scripture, not speculate & make others fearful ,
prematurely....OK ?? You could all think seriously about getting onto some land, a "community garden" find
a cultivator/farmer & cash in your $$$$$ for silver, which will b the main currency when the DOLLAR collapses
...Gotta run,,,there's a big storm on the horizon with HAIL the size of cricket (baseball) coming, the thunder is
getting louder ...BYes....cherrio
Dear Proxy I posed these questions to Robert a day ago. - as follows -
Question?? - the book of Daniel closes stating
12: 8 Now as for me, I heard, but I could not understand; so that I said: “O my lord, what will be the final part of these things?”
9 And he went on to say: “Go, Daniel, because::: THE WORDS ARE MADE SECRET AND SEALED UP TILL THE TIME OF THE END:::10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand ::: BUT THE ONES HAVING INSIGHT WILL UNDERSTAND::::
But Revelation states in 22:8-11
8 Well, I John was the one hearing and seeing these things. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel that had been showing me these things. 9 But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that! All I am is a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who are prophets and of those who are observing the words of this scroll. Worship God.”
10 He also tells me: ::: 10 DO NOT SEAL UP THE WORDS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS SCROLL, FOR THE APPOINTED TIME IS NEAR:::. 11 He that is doing unrighteousness, let him do unrighteousness still; and let the filthy one be made filthy still; but let the righteous one do righteousness still, and let the holy one be made holy still.
There is a strong comparison to the wording at the end of each of these profound prophetic books. Except one distinction Daniels prophecy is sealed and Revelations prophecy is not to be sealed, its like once Revelation was written officially the appointed time was near as far as Jesus is concerned.
This is my question since we “seam” to have a good understanding of both the books of Daniel and Revelation and Daniel coupled with Revelation is definitely for the time of the end. I’m postulating that the same time Revelation was available for understanding is the same time Daniel was unsealed or about to unseal it’s self – Are we there Brother is it the time of the end? How do we understand Daniels statement at 12:4 ::: MANY WILL ROVE ABOUT, AND THE [TRUE] KNOWLEDGE WILL BECOME ABUNDANT:::????
I can’t resist but think were right there or on the brink peering down into the abyssal, but those with real faith have there heads lifted up and know there deliverance is near.
We have a great spiritual puzzle the prophets major then minor and then the greatest of all Jesus simple but profound in depth parables and then the machine gun like tribulation prophecy Matt 24-25 Luke 21 Mark 13
We just can’t ignore the dire tight situation the world has become; it has hemmed itself into a corner with no escape from every direction dire problems of monumental proportions have settled in on the governments and they have no solutions, it’s like there hands are tied _ (UNIVERSAL CHECKMATE)
I hope im not sounding NUTS or crazy!
I have had a pretty mellow aproch to this stuff most of my life(ill be 53 in 05/ 2011) but world conditions are getting really well out of control. It seams so obviouse to me!!!!
If THEY know that the system is on its way down, why the push for peace and security in the Mideast?
It's like knowing a big earthquake is about to strike any moment, but first "we need to finish building our dream home", etc.
Why bother?
M.
Quote Proxy-There can be no 'great tribulation' against Christianity prior to the trampling of the whole earth underfoot by this 'unique' beast –end quote
That is the point I was trying to get at in comment #2 but with using Matt 24:15. The GT can not come prior to Matt 24:15, but many because of wanting this system to hurry and come to its end, as do I, seem to ignore scriptures that have to occur first and just jump to the “this is it” state of mind.
Quote Proxy-Since both the WT-anointed and amazingly, even Watchman himself are expecting the 'great tribulation' to be imminent, –end quote
I suppose that is why I never got a stright answer.
Quote Brian-I can’t resist but think were right there or on the brink peering down into the abyssal,…We just can’t ignore the dire tight situation the world has become; it has hemmed itself into a corner with no escape from every direction dire problems of monumental proportions have settled in on the governments and they have no solutions, it’s like there hands are tied–end quote
I’m sure that is the mind set that all in the past have thought during the time that they were experiencing such dire circumstances, i.e. WW1, GD, WW2 and of course times prior.
"Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. Zions Watch Tower 1894 July 15 p.226
Quote Proxy-it follows that any catastrophic event of global proportions, that will eventually come about in one shape or another, is but one more demon inspired 'false flag operation' to mislead if possible even the chosen ones.
Yea I get a little emotional I admit it!!!
May the advice from the greatest Man to ever live be correct!
KEEP ON THE WATCH!! BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW ON WHAT DAY YOUR LORD IS COMING!!
Quote: (from a friend who bought to this to my attention just recently),
[Of course there are many interpretations of Revelation. Most assume that these signs will be fulfilled within the visible world around us (2 Cor 5:7). Yet, as we know, this world is TOTALLY controlled by Satan (1 John 5:19) Knowing that his main occupation is DECEPTION (Rev 12:9), and that this effort is especially DIRECTED TOWARD the Chosen (Rev. 12:17), would we be surprised if he maneuvered the Nations within his power to emulate a COUNTERFEIT FULFILLMENT?] Unquote.
Do those chosen live by "FAITH" or by "SIGHT," or, in other words,
are such ones led by what they see ahead in a phisical sense,
or what they see ahead, in a spiritual sense? This is worth pondering for a moment.
Are we truly convinced that gaining and pursuing an accurate knowledge of this worlds affairs is from God himself,
or from the Devil- Satan, the Ruler of this World- the Great Deciever, the one whom even right now, is trying to prepare and convince, if possble, even Gods Chosen, that the Kingdom SOON/NEXT TO ARRIVE is the "long-awaited promised Kingdom" of our God and our Lord, Christ.
If Holy spirit has given us the understanding that this next Kingdom will be a counterfeit Kingdom, then be aware of the decieving portents and false fulfillments of prophecies that are to come before such a "Kingdom" is to arrive.
Remember, Satan will appeal to the phisical needs of the many (through signs, PORTENTS and wonders) who lie in desperate wait of something new as times get tougher, thus endevouring to fulfill many a prophecy of scripture, PREMATURELY,
so as to drag down with him the many that DIDN"T have a "love for the truth" including those whom DIDN"T LISTEN to what the HOLY SPIRIT was saying.
This Kingdom will be so convincing that, even as scripture puts it,
it may even, "if at all possible, fool the chosen ones,"
NEVER may this happen!
Those whom are looking to gain an accurate knowledge of this worlds affairs in order to save them, will no-doubtedly be fooled into believing that the next Kingdom to arrive will be none other than "Gods Kingdom",
which will be a mans number, yes, 666.
On the other-hand, according to this worlds wisdom, God chose the foolish things of this world,
because such ones CHOSE to walk by FAITH, and not by SIGHT (as do the world of ungodly men who seek out signs).
"So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom. So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense.
But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength.
Remember, dear brothers and sisters, that few of you were wise in the world’s eyes or powerful or wealthy when God called you. Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful. God chose things despised by the world, things counted as nothing at all, and used them to bring to nothing what the world considers important. As a result, no one can ever boast in the presence of God.
God has united you with Christ Jesus. For our benefit God made him to be wisdom itself. Christ made us right with God; he made us pure and holy, and he freed us from sin. Therefore, as the Scriptures say, “If you want to boast, boast only about the Lord.”- 1 Corinthians 1:20-30 (New Living Translation)
The question then, really is:
Do we then boast in having the same wisdom as did the Jews, who sought for signs from heaven or,
maybe then, do we boast as having the same wisdom as the Greeks, who sought after the wisdom of men?
Do we really put faith in the information we recieve from such "reliable" manmade sources, knowing full well that these sources are merely puppets of Satan seeking to decieve those who are willing to believe?
Remember please, when God first called us, that he called us to boast, not in the wisdom that we recieve from men,
but rather, in the wisdom we recieve from none other than our Lord, Jesus Christ himself!
Hi To-be-Frank
Could I ask you a question -
Prefaced with this scripture – John 17:
25 Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you; but I have come to know you, and these have come to know that you sent me forth. 26 And I HAVE MADE YOUR NAME KNOWN to them and will make it known, in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
My question is to you Frank has Jesus made known to you the name of his Father or who he is, and are you developing an intimate relationship with him??
Thanks Brian
Brian,
I'm curious as to why do you so ask?
As Paul replied to those examining his motives:
"People should think of us as subordinates ( Belonging to a lower or inferior class or rank; secondary) of Christ and managers who are entrusted with God’s mysteries. Managers are required to be trustworthy (or as the New World Translation puts it, "found faithful").
It means very little to me that you or any human court should cross-examine me. I don’t even ask myself questions. I have a clear conscience, but that doesn’t mean I have God’s approval. It is the Lord who cross-examines me. Therefore, don’t judge anything before the appointed time. Wait until the Lord comes. He will also bring to light what is hidden in the dark and reveal people’s motives. Then each person will receive praise from God."- 1 Corinthians 4:1-5
My guest would be to the 20 or so uses of the word God but no use of the word Jehovah.
Hi T-B-Frank
A shrewd response and fair; Yes my question had a purpose to it and your response would not give me reason to Judge you as morally fit to inherit the reward you very much desire.
The answer to the question would allow me to better understand what your understanding of scripture is based on. That’s it and rest assured I would not confront you nor mock you in any way, the purpose would be for me have the right perspective regarding your spiritual insights that you freely share on the board.
That’s it nothing more.
Believe me I know I don’t have all the answers and my personal beliefs taught to me since my youth have changed and developed significantly over the last two years since discovering Roberts’s fresh insights.
Sincerely Brian
Now Amos
If you use that reasoning not a person alive today really knows any precise pronunciations of any proper Hebrew name. If we used that logic every Hebrew name in the bible would have to be Him Her It Lord God all of them would have to be titles not a reliable personalized name in the whole bunch. And then we would have to consider the 3000+ languages and dialects we now have in use in our modern day.
T-B-Frank
Sorry I should have also mentioned I was in no way questioning your motives:
Just on the surface anyone who is even posting on this site ARE ether “certifiable”
or they are very sincere in there love for God and his proposes.
What’s the scripture that talks about the heart of a man- just a second let me look it up – got it Jer 17:9 “The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate. WHO CAN KNOW IT? 10 I, XXXXX, am searching the heart, examining the kidneys, even to give to each one according to his ways, according to the fruitage of his dealings.
Thanks Brian,
I understand where you're coming from and why you asked such a question.
May I clarify, "He that boasts, let him boast in Jehovah."
The JW's boast before the world in knowing the name of God "Jehovah",
but as for the sons of God who have been enlightened once and for all time by means of His spirit, the boasting of God lies much deeper, being a truly personal matter.
Not choosing to offend anyone, but the calling on God by means of His name reveals still, that such ones have a distance in their relationship with him.
The annointed by God have a bond or tie with God that is BEYOND DEVELOPING, but a mere KNOWING that they are sons of Him and that such ones cry out, "ABBA, FATHER!"
Once enlightened, it requires a "remaining in union with him."
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your ADOPTION TO SONSHIP. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.- Romans 8:14-16
Understanding this relationship is like understanding the relationship we have with our own children.
If our children call us either "father" or "dad", how close that relationship really is...
If our children call us by our first name!..... well normally, this never happens,
and "the father", is usually only ever called by his first name by those who don't share the same, close, father/son relationship held by his own children.
Only those who haven't yet been drawn by the father to be adopted into a father/son relationship, will continue to call him by His name.
To-be-Frank
Wow – what you just said is really really profound.
If I know one thing in regards to the spiritual anointing of which you are speaking is this; that this relationship is the most intimate and personal experience any human can have that it is beyond words to fully describe it.
The scripture you have quoted is the most often used to describe that experience _Abba Father.
Your illustration of a parent child relationship really drives the point home extremely well- the logic is irrefutable.
I love the Song of Solomon / Canticles. I have a strong conviction that this book gives some very deep illustrative descriptions of this intimacy, but also has prophetic significance like a all encompassing snapshot of the whole enchilada. Well that’s how my spirit inclines me to think anyways.
I did notice one thing about your response which by the way I really enjoyed overall.
To quote you (The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.- Romans 8:14-16)
By personifying the Holy Spirit you have made manifest you believe the Father Son and Holy Spirit are one. I hate to use the term but they are a Trinity of a single God Head.
Now I know the trinity teaching has morphed over the last couple decades and people explain it from many angles it can make a simple mans head spin right off.
Now the question; am I right about your belief in a triune God Head?
Respectfully Brian